After Reviewing LAVAL Speakers, We Sued Audio Craftsmen

In this video we review the Audio Craftsmen Laval bookshelf speakers, then explain why we sued the manufacturer.
www.audiocraftsmen.com/laval
#audiophile #speakers #bookshelf #bookshelfspeaker #REW

[@SnapperX3]

Bish got medieval on my organ once. She really knew her way around pipes.

[@Roddy451]

"...Diane Bish go all medieval on her organ..." Now, that was priceless. This is the first I've heard of this brand. They appear to be pretty good. I may give them a try sometime. It is good to know they don't have issues with holes in the bottom of the speakers (crickets). P.S. Helmholtz back in its element. Making the calls as it sees them.

[@stopher1971]

Just be sure and make sure your subwoofer is off

[@alexw890]

That’s a really well designed speaker with the exception of the slightly elevated treble in room which could easily be EQ’d. This makes me happy because I’m using that Seas tweeter in a build now.

[@BrentLeVasseur]

Funny! This channel should be named the comedic audiophile but that would ruin the dead pan delivery and give it away. 😂

[@scientificaudiophile]

No humor in my channel.

[@clarencehoover6748]

12:29 Now both my sonic and culinary appetites have been intrigued. Thank you for sharing your experiences. Give Helmholtz an extra hug from this appreciative viewer.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Will do! I'll even give him dinner tonight.

[@smokingsnowman7838]

The only channel one can trust to uphold high testing standarts.

[@galactusgalan4233]

Great review. I am very impressed with the low distortion on these speakers.

[@godminnette2]

Thanks for the review. Do you think they're the best pair of bookshelf speakers you've heard in their price bracket?

[@scientificaudiophile]

In my limited list of bookshelf speakers that I've reviewed, yes.

[@TD05SSLegacy]

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[@chrislj2890]

@@TD05SSLegacy That time of the month, eh?

[@MeOdioAudio]

Thanks for the review, well done. Do you think it's a good speakers for a 12 ft x 16 ft listening room ?

[@scientificaudiophile]

Literally perfect for that sized room.

[@MeOdioAudio]

Thx

[@ferdinandbardamu3945]

Well implemented Seas Prestige gets you far. Impressed by how low the bass distortion is without the trick motors from the Excel or at least the larger U22REX/P-SL midwoofer.

[@robinkleinsteuber5217]

Superb finish to another great review, which in itself, deserves a high "infinite rating"! 😊👍🍷🍷🎶🎶

[@scientificaudiophile]

Thank you kindly!

[@GentielioGaming]

Just new to your channel. Sounds like a great speaker but did you by any chance had a listen to a Fritz Carbon SE mkii?

[@scientificaudiophile]

Unfortunately, no.

[@GentielioGaming]

@@scientificaudiophile If you can listen to these they are supposed to have a midrange to die for.

[@michaelwright1602]

@@scientificaudiophile You should contact Fritz, he is a pretty cool dude, he would more than likely get a kick out of your channel and how you do reviews. I bet he would send a pair out for a review.

[@tedroybal5231]

I'm building a bookshelf kit with that exact tweeter. This makes me happy about my choice. I'm also using a Seas woofer. Any way you can give me the port size and length? Thank you!

[@scientificaudiophile]

I've already boxed them up, but I bet Thom over at Audio Craftsmen would be happy to give you the exact dimensions. [e-mail]

[@tedroybal5231]

@@scientificaudiophile No worries. Thank you

[@catherinelugg4321]

Ooooooo. These look VERY interesting. I'm a big fan of Canadian audio. Thanks for the review and the litigation laugh!

[@catherinelugg4321]

*SIGH!* Metal tweeter. Off my list it goes. *SIGH!*

[@scientificaudiophile]

How do you know the metal tweeter isn't liquid beryllium held in place by a small gravitational force created by pure audiophilia?

[@catherinelugg4321]

@@scientificaudiophile Bwahahahahaha!!!! Alas, tinnitus.

[@georgeweah9717]

Helmholtz is one honest cat. 😎

[@scientificaudiophile]

Honest? Smarter, yes.

[@georgeweah9717]

@@scientificaudiophile 😅

[@ramonvives1674]

In this business a proficient lawyer is becoming as necessary as expensive cables. Go for them!

[@garyedwards9617]

Are red cents better than no cents?

[@scientificaudiophile]

Yes. A red cent has copper in it. Today's plastic penny's are atrocious because you can't stick them in a fuse box during an emergency.

[@fatold50]

Lol.. yes .I agree in a pinch them plastic coins will and could increase your Home owners Insurance after the electrical fire they're bound to ignite.....😂 @@scientificaudiophile

[@middleearthltd]

Impressive speakers based on your review I would 100% check them out if I were in the market for a bookshelf Good to see this manufacturer get some exposure to prospective buyers Apologies for the lack of snark or wit

[@scientificaudiophile]

Your entire comment was nothing but snark and wit. Thanks for the view.

[@PeterMMMMM]

This speaker has some really high quality components in them. Just 2 tweeter, and 2 woofers come up to $500 usd before shipping. You still need to build a cabinet, design a crossover and purchase the parts for the crossover. It's a high value $2000 speaker. A lot of bang for your buck, even if it's $2000. Amazing. Also, the very close distance between the tweeter and woofer is also proof that they know what they are doing. You don't see that very often.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Agreed. Great speaker.

[@danb.9891]

No holes in the bottom of the cabinet ya say..?? 🤔😂

[@scientificaudiophile]

Correct. Some manufacturers like holes in the bottom that go directly into their cabinet. Tekton comes to mind for some odd reason.

[@chrisblock6697]

@@scientificaudiophile And you allow comments to your recent videos.

[@fatold50]

Great review... definitely worthy of others taking notice & notes...This is how a" Scientific Audiophile " does a thorough review....👍...

[@scientificaudiophile]

Glad it was helpful!

[@fatold50]

Your reviews...Heck the channel is G..R ..E..A..T!!!!....Hope Kellogg doesn't Sue me for copyright infringement......😂😂

[@greysuit17]

😂😂😂 this is great! I need to check out these speakers.

[@scientificaudiophile]

New company, so they'll appreciate it. Hard to get a foot hold with so many older brands marketing everywhere.

[@RennieAsh]

Nice design; they don't mention if the free shipping is worldwide or not...I'm guessing not lol Would be interesting to see full measurements on these things. Also I think the Halifax design isn't quite as elegant as the Victoria and Kingston

[@warrensnook]

Suing someone and the hilarity of threatening to sue cannot be classified as being the same thing. However, LAVAL should compensate you for any distress caused with their color choices and in the knowledge that if they don't, your parents will have to compensate you instead. Should this happen, it will be entirely LAVALS fault and shame on them!

[@scientificaudiophile]

I just fired my lawyer since the case was dismissed. You are now my lawyer for civil litigation! I want 2/3 of the settlement.

[@warrensnook]

​@scientificaudiophile As your new Lawyer, I propose that LAVAL pay you a royalty of 15% on every Rustic Orange speaker they sell. Alternatively, your parents will be required to compensate you for the same amount. It's a win win situation and I urge you to accept my proposal 😂

[@sidesup8286]

There's a lawyer here who has some kind of deep hang up/obsession with losing business because of people spelling his name wrong. He comes on with his TV commercials and keeps saying "That's Bagin with only ONE G. He even visually counts it out on his fingers, B is thumb, A is forefinger ........etc., N is pinky finger. He has some kind of horrid fear that potential clients are spelling his name wrong with 2 G's when they look him up to contact him to take their case; and they can't find his number. It's Bagin with one G; not Bilbo Baggins like the character in the book Lord Of The Rings. I altered his real name on here slightly, so as to avoid any potential trouble. Quote Of The Day in keeping with the subject of shame. It is by Mark Twain: "Humanity is sometimes so bad, that I sometimes think it's a shame that Noah didn't miss the boat".

[@jaycoleman8062]

Reminds me of a '68 Road Runner. Or, an MXR Phase 90. 😊30-20K+ impressive

[@warrensnook]

​@jaycoleman8062 Yeah man, Scientific Audiophile is the Roadrunner of the Audio world. Nobody is going to catch him! 😅

[@TD05SSLegacy]

And by sue you mean just have your lawyer call their lawyer and bully them into an “agreement”… This is how it’s done in ‘the biz’… it’s what Noel L. would do so of course you must do. 😅

[@scientificaudiophile]

Exactly. I've never sued anyone over a review!

[@bryede]

Looks like a lot of the budget is going into good parts. I normally don't prefer solid colors but these are snazzy.

[@craigenputtock]

Looks really nice!

[@scientificaudiophile]

It is!

[@ArtificialDjDAGX]

It would be very cool if you could review Argon Audio's entry level speakers (Fenris, Forte, Forus), because I have no idea how worth the money they are thanks to a lack of data on the matter.

[@scientificaudiophile]

I've contacted the company. Hopefully they'll respond.

[@ArtificialDjDAGX]

@@scientificaudiophile Thank you kindly. Now, how long until the review for the FiiO Q15? I can note down some things that I've noticed while using them for the past (almost) 6 months. 1: When paired with brand new IEMs, using the slow mode is preferrable, as otherwise it sounds kind of artificially analytical. 2: There is some software issue that makes it so that when the MQA mode being turned ON, audio is delayed by almost half a second. This issue has occurred for me one time while using PEQ Bypass mode, but then it worked without issue on MQA mode, as well as on any of the other PEQ modes. 3: It works well for things like retro gaming, where you split audio from the HDMI cable into a Coax cable, and use the Q15 rather than the monitor or TV for converting the digital signal into analogue that can then be sent out into some desktop speakers (note that the speakers have to be active speakers and have a headphone jack, as otherwise the audio is way too quiet - though I only tested with max audio being limited to 50 rather than the default 120 on the Q15) 4: One of the cables that come with the Q15 are a bit too short for my tastes, as depending on the laptop you use the Q15 with, you'll want a longer cable to avoid having the laptop spew all its hot air onto the DAC. 5: Either the Q15 colours the audio, or budget entry-level active speakers do not mesh well with the crisp audio that these output, as I noticed my Creative Gigaworks T-40 II speakers becoming muffled when playing "Kitsune^2 - SKUGGIN' AROUND" using the Q15 connected to my laptop - this issue did not happen when I played the song directly from my phone into the speakers. As you can infer from my prior comment, I'm looking into better speakers so that I can verify if the Q15 colours the audio or not. Closing thoughts: I'm currently waiting on the Verum 2s that I pre-ordered yesterday, so that I can test the Q15 on headphones as well. All in all, I've been really happy with the Q15, as it noticeably improved the audio on my entry-level IEMs (7Hz x Criancle Zero: 2) compared to using my laptop headphone jack. (also, I really enjoy Eletech's Baroque eartips, they both sound great, and are so much easier to fit onto the nozzle of the zero 2's compared to the DUNU Velvet and Spinfit W1)

[@ArtificialDjDAGX]

@@scientificaudiophile Great to hear! Sorry for the late reply, youtube didn't like my original reply it would seem. I originally asked you when the FiiO Q15 review would be, and then wrote basically an entire essay noting down positives and negatives that I noticed with it during the (almost) 6 months that I've been using it. Overall, I'm still very happy with it, and am currently looking forward to the Verum 2 november shipment (was a bit slow to buy the Verum 1 mk2, so was pleasantly surprised the day before yesterday when I saw that the Verum 2 was in the works and pre-orderable)

[@ArtificialDjDAGX]

@@scientificaudiophile Lovely to hear! Sorry for the super late reply, youtube has deleted all my previous 5 replies, don't know if it's because the reply system via the notifications is broken or what. Just wanted to know when the FiiO Q15 review will happen. (Also, my original reply was basically an entire essay listing pros and cons of that portable dac amp that I noticed over the past 6 months of using it, as well as that I was too slow to order the headphones you stood up for, leading me to pre-order the sequel on kickstarter, but I shall refrain from going too much into detail, lest youtube decide to go all 1984 again)

[@scientificaudiophile]

@@ArtificialDjDAGX I'll also have to contact FiiO to see if they can send me a Q15. What are you ordering on kickstarter?

[@gumbygreeneye3655]

No holes or a-hole?

[@scientificaudiophile]

Both!

[@jayem1826]

How many chairs and sofas are in that room?

[@scientificaudiophile]

7 chairs. No sofas.

[@r2d3vadar92]

wonderful.

[@jonathanthomas4722]

LOL. Troll factor upped about 1000%. Love this channel. Just takes the piss every time.

[@chinmeysway]

what are those duck speakers?

[@scientificaudiophile]

AI created those.

[@CarlVanDoren61]

Jacket matches speakers 🔊 We could be friends..eventually

[@chinmeysway]

no holes on bottom is a mazing

[@mikeb.7845]

3 days before Diane Bish "the Dish"'s birthday!!! My Lord! How are you going to celebrate? Perhaps the Burnt Orange Crew can get you a rare Japanese import vinyl!?!? Perhaps "The Joy of Music" on cassette? I'm sure Goodwill will have a few mint / mint- copies. Happy Days.

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Should we care about the crossover components in this?

[@scientificaudiophile]

Yes, and they’re very good.

[@RennieAsh]

You can see pictures on their site. They seem as good as is reasonable without going into audiophile sillyness with no benefit

[@spacejaime]

"No holes on the bottom of the speakers" - 😂😂

[@chrislj2890]

You didn't specify if those prices were in Canadian or U.S. dollars.

[@scientificaudiophile]

All their prices are U.S.

[@chrislj2890]

@@scientificaudiophile Thank you.

[@marstedt]

14:23 - No HOLES! =O

[@rickszabo4312]

i think he means "No A holes involved in manufacturing these speakers".

[@marstedt]

Oh .... I SEE! Interesting.

[@charlesdouglas7862]

Pairs well with Glenmorangie 10 single malt scotch. Wait a minute, the Glenmorangie label is Scientific Audiophile orange ! Lawsuit time.

[@zavatone]

Actually, one guy tried to patent Vantablack or something like it.

[@chinmeysway]

lovely sincere review here great work. awful awful awful attempt at copying you awful jacket color.

[@jayem1826]

I stream track 25 too. Why not use the CD? Because my 3rd, no, 4th CD player has died. If I may take the liberty to recommend a good track for imaging.. try " Friends of Friends" by Jay Azzolina from his Local Dialect CD/STREAM from Qobuz or Tidal. The two guitar solos are perfectly placed left of center and right of center on my 2 channel system. (Maggie's) Thank you

[@scientificaudiophile]

Awesome recommendation. I’ll check it out.

[@sidesup8286]

What !!...No holes in the bottom of the speaker. How will people wiith no chairs in the house, who listen lying down on the floor, be able to mount them on the wall, with the drivers pointing downward? Not as comfortable lying on a hard floor, but you meet a lot of nice spiders. Also what about people in apartments with a noise complaining neighbor living above them? If they are not able to mount their speakers on the wall from the speaker's bottom, so the sound points downward, they could get kicked out of their apartment! Inexcusable in my opinion. Some people can only play their speakers with the drivers facing forward instead of downward, once or twice a year, when their upstairs neighbor goes on vacation. I used to have an extremely obese woman living above me. You could hear her every footstep when she walked around, and she had the nerve to complain about noise? Did you ever notice how long it takes extremely obese people to get out of their car? They open the car door and then just sit there awhile. Like they have to really psyche themselves up for a while, before making such a monumental effort. They always open the car door for a while first, before climbing out in 10 or 15 minutes. This obese lady from upstairs started taking 25 minutes before getting out of her parked car in the parking lot. I got out my high power astronomical telescope, put in the image inverter for land viewing, to see what was going on, and I discovered what was taking her so long to get out of her car. She was wolfing down hamburgers, from a fast food place! ... She knew the parking lot side was out of view from the windows in her apartment. If she would have brought the hamburgers into her apartment, she would have had to buy some for her husband.

[@scientificaudiophile]

It's official. You're writing my next script. I pay you ONE red cent for every 500 words. 😁

[@sidesup8286]

Very few people know that Leo Tolstoy was paid by the word for writing the novel War And Peace. It has long been known as one of the longest books ever written. Leo knew what he was doing, and the book showed what a shrewd businessman he was. I am seriously considering writing an even longer novel than that. It would have to be over 560,000 words. Unless I learned how to write in Russian. Then I would only have to exceed 460,000 words, as that is how many words the original Russian version had, before it was translated to English. They must be more efficient over there in Europe. As a punishment my parents once made me spend my entire summer vacation from grade school reading War And Peace. I remember I finally finished the last page on August the 18th, so I could have about a week left to go out and play, before school started again. Of course my friends figured I had abandoned them by that time, and when my pale skinned self finally re-entered the world of fresh air and sunlight, they all thumbed me. from the nose. The old Flying Fingers. But what did I care! I was wordly now, from reading Wat And Peace. The whole thing; the whole enchilada

[@Mizar-XED]

Legend has it that when Diane Bish goes medieval on her organ God purges the heavens once more.

[@scrivs1976]

Ahh, but do their ports chuff “supersonically? According to the folk_lore, this is a required characteristic great design 😌 Physics be damned! I mean, the DUT was bequeathed with, dare I say it…. Praise?? I always ascribed that to myth. Nice to see something different. It’s always rad to see a simple/classic design with all the love where it should be. For this peasant, I the solution has been the Pauper tier DBR-62. After getting all up in them guts, I reveled in the glory of what can happen when marketing and engineers play nicely together 🐜🐜🐜🐜 I’d really be interested to know who does their drivers. Not Europe. Not ‘murica.

[@bryanbassett2110]

SEAS drivers

[@charleskatz2606]

Be inert we need more nerts

[@philipkershaw7918]

A tape measure! Some kind of meter on a mobile phone! A "bone" thingy! Have I entered the twilight zone?

[@scientificaudiophile]

You’ve entered Audiophilia!

[@philipkershaw7918]

@@scientificaudiophile Hahaha. But hang on a minute! This is no place for an audiophobe!

[@philipkershaw7918]

Ok. For taking my nonsense in the spirit that it was intended, have some kudos. 👍

[@ywsx6489]

looks like the seas bragi kit.

[@nabman_]

Go Canadian speakers go 💪💪🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@r00s.]

Paradigm FTW!

[@carlb86]

Please try the floor standing models from Audio Craftsman, then let us know if we must buy them. Preferably hold a give away, then "randomly" choose one of your commenters.

[@scientificaudiophile]

I told Thom at Audio Craftsmen that if I didn't have speakers already I would have asked his price to keep them. I did ask for the Halifax for review, but that might be some time off. I'd love to put those up against my Tannoy's.

[@JMAudioEditions]

its not a real cat but the guy is legit

[@scientificaudiophile]

The cat is real! How dare you sully Helmholtz with such lies.

[@spoiler9112]

No magnetic speaker covers?? HERESY!

[@scientificaudiophile]

I told them that but neglected to put it in the review. They said that is the next thing they're working on.

[@Maver1ck911]

You absolutely can patent a color.

[@scientificaudiophile]

You can trademark a color, but you can’t patent it.

[@simonirvine1628]

They appear to have named one of their speakers the "Halifax". Well that is the name of a sh*t town in the UK and there is a Bank also called the Halifax which started in Halifax in 1852. If Audio Craftsman knew that they may well have skipped that name straight away.

[@scientificaudiophile]

It appears they named their speakers after cities in Canada. The Kingston made me think of a town in New York that was burned by the British. I'm assuming that the Canadian city didn't have such a bad outcome.

[@TD05SSLegacy]

Nova Scotia, a very explosive 🧨 place. Like their sound.

[@TD05SSLegacy]

@@scientificaudiophile if the Kingston was a green speaker I beg to differ…ja Rastafari! 🌈🦄

[@simonirvine1628]

@@scientificaudiophile The original Kingston is in southwest London

[@RennieAsh]

@@TD05SSLegacy You can get it in green if you desire lol

[@ImigrentfromMars]

Suing today means nothing. I lost 2 inventions that I sent into a company and they just changed it a little and made it under a new name, If I told you what they are everyone here would say '' I use this daily '' Now I have another invention people would love to have but after seeing no money for the others im just going to sit on this one.

[@carminedesanto6746]

Just a head up. I got the cable yesterday 🫡 As for these speakers 🔊…I’m recommending them to a friend to check out ..thanks once again .

[@scientificaudiophile]

A fellow Canadian company. Good to support local business. Glad the cables got to you. Now you know the value of $279 IEM cables.

[@ryanmccann2539]

Pantone would like a word.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Pantone hasn’t patented colors, but they have patented their system for specifying one.

[@LanceGreidet-bi9zk]

Tekton speakers have the same color orange as for buying direct from manufacturer you lose money cause it's a no name brand when you go to resale it I learned the hard way when I bought Tekton speakers I was disappointed

[@scientificaudiophile]

True, but if you sell the speakers as being custom Scientific Audiophile Orange, you will triple your investment.

[@RennieAsh]

You "lose money" buying new speakers period

[@carminedesanto6746]

GM ☕️

[@nicktan4530]

Am not big fan of suing people here and there.

[@lavman555]

Still laughing....

[@simonirvine1628]

The Speaker stands are rip off.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Anything made in a small wood shop is going to be expensive.

[@richh650]

LOL

[@assistantto007]

Is this supposed to be a comedy channel?

[@scientificaudiophile]

No humor in this channel. Not sure what specific item you’re referring too.

[@scrivs1976]

Now that I think about it, maybe offices design team are in Europe🥹

[@scientificaudiophile]

They say all their components come from Europe.