Afterlife - What's the point?

[@cleophoebe6385]

“Possession on its own is meaningless. The process of acquisition is the significance of pleasure.” -Funny KZbin Frog, 2022.

[@digitaal_boog]

Is that why we refuse to give Ireland independence?

[@eschaton5058]

"And she spoke words of wisdom"

[@jmasterhd5210]

Wise words from a wise woman

[@thegames4565]

It's not entirely true however. There's many people that like to collect stuff and are proud and contempt with their collection.

[@mksmike]

I agree with him. Pleasurable things will not make you happy if they are undeserved.

[@j_fure]

It baffles me how a discord argument can be so much more compelling and interesting than 90% of the media today

[@taodivinity1556]

People have grown used to mediocrity nowadays.

[@thepurplepanda4]

You can find it, you just have to look. People riff on him, but people like jordan Peterson and sam have interesting debates with people. I don't remember sam's name. He has lots of talks on christianity and technologism. He's part of the big couple who people hate for political views and unfairly associate with ben shapiro. I originally said sam bankman, lol. Whoops. Guess he is on my mind. Just gotta void the hyper political if you dont enjoy that kinda thing.

[@taodivinity1556]

@@thepurplepanda4 Might as well throw Tate on there.

[@j_fure]

@@thepurplepanda4 That’s why I said 90% because 10% of all media is still a humongous amount of time you can watch, but the rest/90% just fall short

[@thepurplepanda4]

@@taodivinity1556 I mean... no? Andrew Tate is a personality, not really a thinker in any meaningful way. Plus, I dont personally like any of what he says to begin with. Kinda a shady dude in more ways then one.

[@baconator_x4098]

I'm glad Critical Orgasm is here to stay. It's always exciting when someone is added to the French Baguette Intelligence Discordmantic Universe.

[@ledukek2255]

I fully agree with ya my guy

[@BlindBosnian]

Though there are some that haven't been seen in a long time (Em, Seraphina, Starla etc)

[@Azalea_Highwind]

I concur, though, I myself love "The Spermacist" as far as minor recurring users are concerned.

[@F4sy]

@@BlindBosnian those two got clocked

[@BlindBosnian]

@@F4sy Apologies. I do not understand what "clocked" means. Google was not helpful in this regard.

[@nathanevans1382]

Reincarnation Ageny Center's International Service Team Bowl is a God damn genius.

[@Leefbay]

Is Volkeh apart of that program?

[@Iwantapistash]

@@Leefbayyes, he’s a R.A.C.I.S.T.

[@ArtemisApollo1969]

The point is the “.” Symbol. Hope this helps!

[@midnitecata]

BHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@infiniteplanes5775]

No, it is in the 'i' in life.

[@MetalHopper]

My sides are hurting from laughing so much, man my sense of humor is so weird.

[@rodmax3911]

pretty epic video that almost got me an anxiety attack when Faux mentioned the death of the universe 10/10 would hyperventilate again

[@ffreeze9924]

hey, fun and slightly disproven but not disprovable theory for you: the big crunch. The idea is that, one day, the universe will actually run out of juice to continue expanding and will turn back on itself, becoming a singularity, and big banging again. Granted, it is unlikely because we know the universe's expansion is accelerating, but hey its possible that the acceleration begins slowing one day. We can't know yet, so 50/50 chance the universe is eternal, and I'll take those odds since it doesn't matter anyway

[@rodmax3911]

@@ffreeze9924 oh yeah I've heard about it before and I quite like it, for a time I thought it was the most accepted theory, actually

[@Leig5H0T]

if the universe came from seemingly nothing once, it can do it again. don't worry

[@ffreeze9924]

@@rodmax3911 I believe it was once the most accepted, but recently the heat-death theory has become more commonly believed

[@elio7610]

the "heat death" is simply a natural conclusion of the evidence we see while the "big crunch" is a just a hypothetical scenario. There are many possibilities, we do not know what will happen, "heat death" is the only one with substantial evidence AFAIK.

[@noregretti]

In secondary school, my friend and I had a game "Talking as edgily as possible". We would talk about things like what the definition of good people is, what the meaning of life is. We both know we didn't actually think that deep and just repeated what we saw on the Internet. The game would continue until one of us felt so cringe and ended the talk. Good time

[@Burn_Angel]

That sounds like a really good practice on philosophical thought actually, depending on how you go with it.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Part of me likes the concept of Valhalla but it needs expansion Imagine if all fields of prowess were rewarded with eternal battle If all painters would fight for the best art piece, the best chess players competing and improving for eternity, the best runners speeding through endless tracks If they were all at peek human condition how far would they go?

[@lengthorwidth]

heaven.

[@Kraxel-North]

​@@lengthorwidthValhall.

[@runman624]

Doesn't the Norse technically have two heavens? One is for dying honorably in battle while another is for dying honorably not in battle

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@runman624 probably, I'm not big on norse afterlife mythology

[@big_shotgun]

@@runman624 Funnily enough the latter is called Helheim or just Hel for short and yes it is for people who didn't die in battle, although it's more a cowards death than dying not in battle

[@WaywardCoconut]

The point is to tell tales and song about your triumphs on the battlefield, while drinking the most delicious mead, and fighting with your fellow champions of Valhalla!

[@SpathiCaptainFwiffo]

correct i was going to say this but you beat me to it

[@robertallan8035]

Endlessly dismembering my friends to reassemble myself and then drink 6 gallons of mead and eat an entire wild boar forever sounds pretty sick

[@ultimamage3]

I was getting all extra hooked in at FC's line of God being either unwilling or unable to reason with Lucifer, and then Bowl dropped the "God was a Discord mod before it was cool." Never change, Bowl.

[@craftyearthythe2nd]

The smart-fridge being Critical Orgasm's weak-point in this discussion never fails to amuse me.

[@GradMeat]

Honestly I just want to go to heaven to play mario kart with jesus

[@alejandropetit6573]

Imagine blue shelling jesus at the final lap

[@b_but_not_2b]

Heaven is playing Mario Kart with Jesus. Hell is playing Mario Kart with Jesus, but Jesus always pulls blue shells.

[@inciniumz4671]

I mean, it could happen, He can do anything and heaven is eternal paradise. Only thing is, you may simply not want to in favor or praising Him, but I dunno

[@GradMeat]

@@inciniumz4671 nah I imagine Jesus would be chill like that and would be down for some mario kart. Like its one thing to insult them and it's another to just invite them to some games.

[@inciniumz4671]

@@GradMeat I never said anything about insulting but I imagine He'd be very open for something like that

[@VJ2099]

I really appreciate the use of marvel’s ultimate alliance ost here. The nostalgia hit me like a truck on this one. So many fond memories of playing that game with my sister came flooding back. Also I love bowl.

[@ashamansedai]

Babies that die prematurely probably get a respawn voucher tbh

[@rbxless]

RESPAWN 50% OFF! (your parents are lower class, so no IPhones you little shit)

[@_Hanaharu_]

probably

[@leritykay8911]

But it's too subjective. Where do you draw the line of "prematurely"? -Sorry Timmy, but if you died juuuust a day earlier, you'd get a respawn. -Googoo gaga -Yeah I know, it sucks

[@infiniteplanes5775]

@@leritykay8911 8 years

[@davidl.e5203]

"This game sucks, I want a refund" -- Played duration 12mins

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

Tbh as long as I can sleep all day in the afterlife and eat once or twice a week I’ll be happy

[@inciniumz4671]

I mean, we wouldn't have the need to eat in Heaven but apparently we still can, and no need for sleep, either.

[@cameram-guy8684]

@@inciniumz4671 but we could sit, relax and bite something

[@sadzpea]

@@inciniumz4671 Hahhah, it's ironic that in the heaven a lot of us desire, we would still want to have most of our physiological needs. No, wait, I guess there could be a way to sleep and eat without really needing to do them, but that kind of beats the point of why they would exist in the first place.

[@inciniumz4671]

@@sadzpea They aren't needs at all in heaven. They are not required to survive. I believe the feast is likely symbolic. And we don't need to sleep there, either, since our bodies would not need to replenish energy.

[@Burn_Angel]

This. I just want money and sleep. Then again, money would be useless too.

[@ArgentuTA164-2]

I wasn’t expecting to get a reference to _Ancient Dreams in a Modern Land_ in a French Baguette Intelligence video but here we are.

[@fangirlapocalypse]

i was caught off guard but it's welcome

[@MrBoo703]

FC is a man of culture

[@atomicgummygod9232]

I’m stuck being reminded of these 2 quotes, one from “The Myth of Sisyphus” by Albert Camus, and one from a tumblr post I saw a while back: “The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.” Original French: "La lutte elle-même vers les sommets suffit à remplir un cœur d'homme; il faut imaginer Sisyphe heureux." - Albert Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus Tumblr Post: “When Adam bit the apple he did it because he trusted Eve. Because he loved her. Adam bit into the apple because the woman he loved told him to, no matter what God said. No matter the rules of heaven. What's heaven to a woman's love anyway? What's God to your wife? The first sins of humanity, were trusting others. Eve trusted a snake, Adam trusted Eve, and I trust you. Maybe that's a sin, just like the first couple. Maybe everyone's right about us and we're sinners and we offend God. But like I said, what's God to a woman's love anyway? What has heaven got that I can't find sitting next to you on a cool autumn morning?” - Cowpokeprose, a defunct tumblr blog The eternal struggle, the fight for meaning and fulfillment, It’s all here, why look for a perfect world beyond death when beauty is in imperfection?

[@Tzizenorec]

Sisyphus becomes sad when the boulder rolls back down, though. The struggle toward the heights means you keep going, higher and higher, not that you lose everything and start over just so you can struggle again.

[@xXJ4FARGAMERXx]

@@Tzizenorec does he improve each retry? That's what speedrunners do when they start over

[@xXJ4FARGAMERXx]

"What's god got over a woman's love?" Has real hoes over bros energy

[@Tzizenorec]

@@xXJ4FARGAMERXx The tale of Sisyphus is a metaphor for the cycle of reincarnation, where we forget all our previous lives each time we start a new life. But... I suppose that doesn't change anything, does it? If you forget your life lessons, then you still developed a better instinct for how to learn. So... yes, you're right; Sisyphus' boulder-pushing isn't completely wasted; he does improve each retry.

[@aychill7357]

@@xXJ4FARGAMERXx I would imagine him examining every nook and cranny of the path he pushes toward, what would the best next angle to push towards etc...

[@brunitop4753]

Is Bowl going to remain a pumpkin for the rest of this year and for all of next year? Given his new year's resolution, it'd make sense. All hail the pumpkin king!

[@dylanzlol7293]

His pumpkin head looks cool, he should stay like that

[@SpathiCaptainFwiffo]

the point (as someone else said before me) is to share your glorious tales of battle in VALHALLA

[@headfullofdreams6083]

Can confirm you can numb pain by no longer caring about it. That's my go-to way of dealing with pain actually. I just kinda meditate and go "This hurts like all hell, but I know what it is and I know I can't fix it, so I may as well let go." Then I go focus on something else and lo and behold, pain is no longer unbearable or overwhelming at all. Works like a charm.

[@DarkJusn2020]

In the name of whoever convinces you to do this, *I NEED A PLAYLIST OF ALL THE SONGS IN THIS VIDEO*

[@VJ2099]

Some of the songs used are from the marvel’s ultimate alliance video game.

[@chaoskiller6084]

A good majority of the songs used are, unsurprisingly, Ace Attorney songs, it shouldn't take long to find the OST for all the games.

[@campbellthesmug6590]

Ever heard of Shazam

[@firespitter_6199]

Felt like I should say something here Also, to whoever reads this, sorry that it’s long, but I hope you enjoy :D A few years ago a tornado hit my family’s house, and I was initially outside when it hit, but as is clear I survived. I did, however, have many very very close encounters with death in rapid succession. I am Catholic, and for most of my life up to that point (and a bit beyond, but depression got in the way) I had always tried my best to help people. Much like the conversations in this video I had often thought about what was heaven when I was young, and on death and other such topics. I was very hard on myself on the smallest of things, for I believed that to get to heaven, to reach heaven, I had to live the best life I could. In that process, though, I learned that if your motive to do good is just a means to an end, if it’s just or mainly to get to heaven and not so much about doing good because you want to genuinely help people, you are not only unable to really help people, but you’ll also end up feeling unfulfilled. So I started to genuinely do good, without directly caring about getting to heaven - I trusted that if I felt what I was doing was right, and I was making the world a better place, it’ll all work out somehow, and even if it doesn’t, I found a really deep satisfaction with truly doing good. It was no heaven on earth per se, the deeper I went into trying to truly help people the more vulnerable I had to make myself, and with that came a whole lot of pain. But it had always felt worth it, if I knew that somewhere out there, I made someone’s day better. Sometimes, I’d get into a state of mind where I lost a sense of my conscious self, and was rather an extension or augment of those around me - I lived to serve others - I believe what I experienced might be sort of similar to the Buddhist concept of ‘Anatman,’ or the goal of abandoning the self. Of course I wasn’t ‘perfect’ or anything, I had and still have plenty of flaws, but I was trying my best, and was somewhat often experiencing something that was pretty surreal. I should also mention that I went to a very rigorous school, and ADHD made even picking up my pencil to work physically and mentally painful more times than not, but I continually worked on being diligent and I did pretty well, for a time. There were many nights where the pressure almost broke me, but I hung on, and eventually I reached a point where some of my troubles didn’t feel all that heavy anymore, that the strength I was pulling from was no longer my own - looking back on it I think what I felt a bit of is what is meant by the Christian idea that your strength comes from God, not yourself. And believe me when I say that I know it was not that I was getting numb to the pain - I was still in a sometimes constant state of mental duress since my kindness hinged on my faith in humanity, and my ADHD made (and still makes) sure that working would/will always have some wall to overcome. Also, I should add that at a few moments, I felt a genuine deep sense of peace and satisfaction, more than I have ever felt before, but I could only get that feeling of weary but hopeful victory if I stayed vigilant to what I was trying to do (I know this all might sound silly, but it’s important that I explain this because I have something to share about my encounter with death.) (Also, in case anyone is interested, the original first few seasons of the old RWBY where what really and truly inspired me to pour my heart and soul into helping others. When the creator of the show died, however, his coworkers took over the show (there’s a whole rabbit hole of mess out there to follow,) and in my opinion the show that once was my source of light and guidance disavowed what it stood for and tore it to pieces and became a bad show. Suffice it to say, when I lost that part of me, depression was inevitable. But that was after the tornado, and if I cover that stuff as it relates to the video then we’ll be here forever.) Back to the tornado (it was an EF3) - I had my hand on the big solid oak front door to my house when the tornado started. I heaved it open, but as I did so the pressure difference between outside and inside the house became enormous, and so the door slammed back into its frame with the force of a cannon. I barely had half my body through the doorway when I felt the pressure spike, and I leaned forward and got my body through just in time. If I had been a fraction of a second slower, I would have lost an arm and part of my leg - for a year afterwards I still felt tingles in my arm and foot because I knew I was so close to losing them - for context it was so close to slamming me that it caught my shirt tail in the door, and as I ran through the house my shirt tail ripped and unwound itself. It was at this moment that I realized I almost died, and it was very likely that I would probably die no matter what I did. At this point, in a split second, I made peace with the fact that my life was out of my control. I accepted death if it was my time; and if I lived, it meant I had more to do in this life. I accepted death even though I had fears that heaven might not actually exist - those fears were quenched, all my fears were quenched. (After the tornado, when I told people I didn’t have any fear, just peace and action, no one believed me…) I made peace with the idea that I was satisfied and content if my life ended here. Even if my consciousness just fades into nothingness and my soul simply ceases to exist - I was satisfied. I tried my best. I trusted that good would live on. I would like to specify that I made peace with the fact that heaven very well might not exist, and it might all be a lie. But I knew good was good. Another tidbit I’ll mention is that if ur in need of a boost in your faith in humanity, go through a natural disaster - people from all walks of life, who are generally indifferent will show up and help out you and your neighbors out of no greater reason than the genuine goodness in their hearts. Another way to put it that’s of interest is back to Buddhism, on the point that bowl mentioned - the idea of the ultimate goal to be to slip into peace and nothingness. It’s pretty interesting. And another interesting thing too is that if you study all the world religions, as I have a bit in a class in college, you’ll come to learn that excepting the old polytheist religions that no one really believes anymore, they pretty much all align with the idea that there is some sort of single omnipresent creator (Hinduism included, but I guess Buddhism not necessarily), and that doing good is good. And that the truth is the truth. The truth the way and the life and all that jazz :D So, I ask myself, do you believe in God? Well, if God is not Good, then I don’t know what is. I’m still very much Catholic btw. Also I think there’s a documentary on Netflix about the two living popes, and in it one of the popes states that angels were made up, but maybe I’m misremembering… If you made it to the end of this, thank you for reading, it really means a lot to me that you spent the time to read this bc I know it’s a lot, so thank you, and I hope you have a good rest of your day :D One last question I want to leave you with, which is especially applicable if you are religious (just fit it to match your religion) - which is better, a bad Christian or the Good Samaritan (or to use modern sort of equivalents, a good and kind atheist?) I would say the latter is better. Deus Vult, my friends.

[@firespitter_6199]

One final point, my uncle is a hospitalist, and he works in an area where there is a lot of old people. As such, a good number of his patients die or face near death while in the hospital. Part of his job (I think, he does it) is to also comfort and console those confronted with death. He remarked to me recently over Thanksgiving that those without faith very often suffer horribly with the concept of death and have a really hard time accepting it, whereas those who are religious usually go pretty easily. Also, Bowl, I’m praying for your sickness to get better >:)

[@firespitter_6199]

Ok unfortunately my brain won’t stop thinking, so a bit more to add - during above mentioned event, I came to peace with the fact that nothing matters anymore, and also the fact that these might very well be my last moments I’ll ever experience. Also, our house was completely totaled btw.

[@kirimusse]

This comment sounds like genuine wisdom.

[@christopherbravo1813]

I'd say it depends on how you define the two. what do you mean by "Bad Christian"? in what way is this Atheist "good"-by his or her own standards, or by God's?

[@firespitter_6199]

@@christopherbravo1813 By "bad christian" I mean someone who only says they are christian but does not actually practice the faith nor acts in a manner that is beneficial for those around them, is selfish and only looks out for themselves etc. etc. etc...; by "good" atheist, I mean someone who is kind and cares about other people - "a good samaritan" - and goes out of their way to help people unprompted by any ulterior motive or, obviously, 'religious obligation.'

[@lucinavonnolaran8728]

The interesting thing is that I somewhat believe in the idea Critical mentioned toward the end, and that Bowl elaborated on: What if we're just living life on repeat? The biggest evidence I have to support this notion is that on occasion, I'll have a dream, and then some indeterminable amount of time later, I suddenly realize I had seen exactly what was happening through said dream. It has happened so many times now that I'm partly convinced that these "visions" are past versions of my life playing during my sleep as a sort of message of what to expect at some time in the future. Usually, it's the near future, but there have definitely been one or two instances where I'm seeing something that I dreamt about about a year or two before. Now while this does imply that free will doesn't exist, it's still something rather interesting to think about: What if life really IS looping? Is there a point when that loop could potentially break? Is there a way to take completely different directions than what you have already seen?

[@quarepercutisproximum9582]

This thing happens with me as well; I know I can change my actions though, because that’s what I do now with the precog.

[@JustSomeGuyWithAMug]

What if we all are in a loop trying to break it?

[@adsads196]

Even though I am sceptical towards people saying they've dreamt an unpredictabe future event correctly, I will entertain the theory - have you had dreams, similar to reality that turned out to be false? Could this be a sign that said loop is broken and it was supposed to happen?

[@blidea9191]

That's called a _déjà rêvé_ and I assure you that there are several scientific theories that explain it.

[@lucinavonnolaran8728]

@@adsads196 the ones that are false are typically the ones that I remember plain as day. The ones that are true are the ones I don't remember until I'm right in the middle of the event I saw in the dream. Though I don't think the false dreams are really a sign of a loop that is being broken. Two of them were very fucked up in nature, one being a death loop, the other being me dying but then waking up in a strange room before waking up. I'm fairly certain death loops (as the general understanding goes) are impossible. Main point is, the false ones are usually the outlandish ones, or the ones that I clearly remember.

[@midnitecata]

this is beautiful. also "pumpkin bowl" is lookin NICE

[@chronred8190]

not going to lie one issue i have with Gringo's claim is that not everyone can be redeemed by pain like a doggy; to some it's quite literally the opposite-as you cause more torment to them they slowly lose whatever light they had in them and become even more corrupt, destructive, hateful, malicious; their innocence and morality --or whatever is left of it-- fades away and only leaves behind nothing but pure agony and hatred. at that point hell would be no redemption, it's just turning something not so great into a monster or even worse

[@elio7610]

Ye, the whole idea of teaching people with punishment is somewhat flawed. When we encounter pain, our instinct is to avoid or destroy the thing that caused us pain, we have to restrain ourselves to not lash out or avoid stuff that causes us pain. You can make people associate certain behaviour with pain and as a result discourage the behaviour but it is a rather crude method that can lead to trauma and without providing much reasoning they may not have really understood anything. If you try teaching someone how to play piano by whipping your student when they make mistakes, they will likely just avoid the piano altogether.

[@blidea9191]

Burning is painful. Isolation is painful. But guilt is also painful. Show them what they did. Awake their last semblance of humanity.

[@atomicgummygod9232]

I’m reminded of SCP-2419, The Laughing Men. It’s a similar idea to what you’re discussing. “A prison is where you put unimportant people. It's where you shave down whatever is left of their humanity until the monster you imagined them to be is all that remains. But no matter how hard we tried, there was always a sliver of decency left behind - some piece of them we couldn't quite reach. Until now. We've done it. In death, D-263175 is finally the monster people imagined. I've burned away every last trace of his humanity. Now, I'm going to send his corpse to Unit C and burn away the rest. I pray to God that what's left will burn.”

[@christopherbravo1813]

hence why I don't believe Hell is some redemption center. I firmly believe that it is a PUNISHMENT.

[@blidea9191]

@@christopherbravo1813 Why can't it be both?

[@mathieumonatte]

I love how everytime there is a debate, no matter if you managed to remain serious until the end, you all always end up descending into insanity before the conclusion. That is top tier quality content.

[@fissionphoenix4995]

I get the feeling FC would enjoy The Good Place, a fantastic show about one interpretation of an afterlife that addresses a lot of good points about what it means to be a good person... or eternal entity, I suppose.

[@glitchyguru6468]

Ever since I played Super Paper Mario's Chapter 7; The Underwhere and the Overthere the concept of the afterlife has been on my mind a lot.

[@sharkwaffle1582]

Idk man, all I know is that the idea that my conscience might one day cease to exist terrifies me

[@ashamansedai]

With the hell this world is to live in, I think hell is just a supermarket where demons are managers and Karens and everyone else are cashiers or something similar. Heaven would probably just remove your desires, technically making you not want for anything and be happy with what you have. Actually, hell and heaven could just be copies of earth where your desires are amplified or removed respectively. I also just realised you could probably make a dystopian movie about this where the main character somehow keeps his original desires in heaven and finds it creepy af.

[@johnx140]

Thats cool.

[@KaosKontrol92]

Thats actually sorta what Mormons believe

[@jonathancangelosi2439]

You should watch The Good Place. It explores some of these situations you’re describing.

[@willow5945]

Y'know, if you remove someone's desire, then they would be equally happy in any situation, and have no reason to change or move or think. Maybe Heaven is just lying perfectly motionless on a bed enclosed in a box safely tucked underground, finally getting the rest you were denied in life.

[@haruhitomaeda4802]

@@willow5945 That just sounds like being permanently stuck in sleep paralysis, which sounds unpleasant at best. (and mortifying at worst).

[@crinklefry6083]

Thank you people for making this. That's all I can really add to this.

[@elraesheppard7517]

people do get numb after constant pain it happened to me a lot whether it be physical or emotional. especially with practice but you can't do that with painkillers. an once i got the hang of it i got over pain much faster :3

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

Respect.

[@arccanyne9097]

Mortality and the afterlife always being me sadness and fear. My reason tells me that this life is obviously the only thing we get to live. Nothing more, nothing next. But my fear hopes I'm actually wrong. That there is somewhere else to go to after I die. I fear the day I die the most because life is everything I've ever known, and probably everything I'll ever know. The fear only increases every time I think about it and the sadness of losing this just keeps getting worse. I hope for the day where immortality, or at least an expansion of lifespan is found. Apparently, the perfect conditions for a human life could get someone up to 150 years now, so that's something I guess, but it's practically impossible if at the same time you want to enjoy those years. Mortality is truly terrifying. Nice video tho.

[@immoralboi3158]

It's honestly terrifying how you guys can have conversations that are somehow both idiotic yet also interesting, be it about morality, philosophy, or (in this video's case) the afterlife and the extent of different ideologies when faced with the fact that all of existence will one day come to an end. Glad this channel found it's way into my recommended.

[@OneColdRepublican]

I love Pumpkin Bowl so much. I hope to see more custom sprites in the future.

[@broskiis03]

The concept of heaven and the Elysian Fields always say well with me, simply because I’d be down to just straight VIBE for all eternity. You know, lying in a field in the sun, star gazing, sleeping, talking with people, that to me wouldn’t get old or boring because it’s simply just being content forever in a beautiful place

[@leritykay8911]

Eternity can't be good forever. I mean, heck. After about an hour with a person I run out of topics to talk about, and things can become awkward. Imagine after 100 years, laying there on the grass, in the exact same spot, your friend next to you. -Huh. That cloud looks like... A whale? -Does it? I haven't seen a whale in forever. -Hm. And then another years of silence

[@pablopereyra7126]

@@leritykay8911 Different people have different ideas of what "heaven" is, so while that might seem boring to you, it might actually be perfect for OP.

[@leritykay8911]

@@pablopereyra7126 Maybe But, I don't believe that ANY person can live for am eternity and remain sane

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@leritykay8911 it's a good thing that Heaven isn't eternity.

[@themanageriguess]

What if Heaven is just Heaven and Valhalla combined? You get to worship God and fight his followers at the same time.

[@iantaakalla8180]

That would be Sun Wukong’s heaven. He would be in god’s good graces and get to fight the forces of god like he did before he was crushed by a mountain.

[@Burn_Angel]

For context, Sun Wukong is the original name of the legend that most of the world know as Son Goku.

[@sholmessgovernmentsecret3277]

“My humble half would like to reject that idea. My arrogantly perfect butt is inclined to agree.” His fridge must have been hyping him up a little too much…💀

[@LaCabraAsada]

Based Bowl assaults the first person he meets on the brink of death just to go to Valhalla.

[@ozfolo1706]

I remember reading that story of "Stingy Jack"(I think he was just referred to as the gambler in the version I read) in Irish, though my Irish isn't great so I didn't really understand a lot of the story, so reading it in this video was weirdly fulfilling, now that I actually understand the details of what happened.

[@ad0man1a]

Honestly, this whole debate is weirdly inspiring. It would make a killer story plot in any sort of media. That and it's eye-opening to see different perspectives of people.

[@ad0man1a]

Now that I've thought of it, a lot of games already have this plot. Still, I find it interesting.

[@adsads196]

@@ad0man1a What games do you envision?

[@ad0man1a]

@@adsads196 well they did talk about norse mythology and valhalla and such, so god of war.

[@adsads196]

@@ad0man1a Well yeah, when norse mythology was brought up, I thought of god of war as well. You said lots so I thought you knew more, that would be related to the philosophical side of it, if you get what I mean. It'd be interesting to see that.

[@realperson69]

Isn’t this the entire plot of The Good Place?

[@haven_lady675]

FC, have you heard about the concept of the afterlife in Finnish mythology? It's basically our world but it's the afterlife. Nothing grand.

[@Ante-Anima]

I've witnessed first hand how the mind decays when the flesh wither. I've seen how bad my grandma mental health turned after she got a cancer (non-cerebral), one of my friends used to work in a psychiatric hospital and I hated joining her there... Also consider every single time your intellect was reduced thanks to fever, alcohol or plain exhaustion... Spirit and body are too intertwinned for a soul to survive its vessel. I CAN'T believe there is anything after death, though I'd love being proven wrong. Many tried, all failed.

[@robertallan8035]

The fact the brain is the mechanism of intellect which allows the consciousness to be coherent does not mean they are one and the same. The inhibitions of the brain may inhibit the mechanical functions of the mind, synapses firing in such a way as to allow thought and memory, but no reason that the consciousness might simply continue to exist without thought or memory.

[@raykirushiroyshi2752]

@@robertallan8035 what's a conscientiousness without thought and memories

[@ejhstmac8783]

@@raykirushiroyshi2752 what IS consciousness, is there even such a thing as souls?

[@IPromiseTomorrow]

There's always been stories of children talking about their past deaths. It's not a new thing. Asia has many religions affiirming that the after life is real. I think you should look there if you still want to prove it to yourself.

[@raykirushiroyshi2752]

@@IPromiseTomorrow these kind of claims can't be proven so from a scientific point of view,are useless At least for now we can't look into a person's memory

[@BRAZILIAN_MIKU]

I have reach the conclusion that my personal heaven would be me reaching onipotency, experiencing everything i ever wanted to experience, deleting my memories, incarnating as a random human, experiencing life, dying and repeating the process forever

[@halla3184]

Heyyyyyy you get it

[@julio.dealmeidabranconeto5831]

Yeah, that does sound nice.

[@Vaporstruck]

maybe the multiverse exists, and we're going to reincarnate as every living being in the multiverse. maybe we've lived life a thousand, a million, a quadrillion, a googol-squared-to-googol times before, yet we don't remember any of it. it's an infinity of forgotten lives, all of them featuring different qualities. some of them are sweet, some of them are bitter. many of them will not be yours specifically, but lost moments from beings long ago. we will never get the explanation to any of it, but do we really need to? we just live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live and live. and forget. and repeat.

[@YourUltimateStarGazer]

15:25 fair point honestly.

[@kae3027]

Bowl is rockin that new suit. Not sure about the pumkin, but i guess it matches his Personality.

[@MrJeovhan]

For the Universal section, I always thought the prevailing theory was that it was a long set of collapse and expansion with many Big Bangs, over and over.

[@realityfailure7444]

Easily a new top 3 video in my book. Bravo. This one was a real banger.

[@headphoneheadache7667]

Is it weird that with already an interesting conversation going on in the video, the thing that makes me smile is the remix of Professor Layton's Curious Village theme and another one later on.... Life is wonderous and weird, so cheris it

[@cyburn9986]

I prefer to keep myself away from existential grade questions, but this is a question that I can’t help but think about, no matter how hard I try.

[@bluetorcher5544]

Gringo’s concept of heaven makes me wonder what would heaven look like to people whose happiness comes from helping their family, If they hypothetically die before their close ones

[@s-charm8004]

The video game reference got me crackin up

[@jackbandit5855]

Here after the video. As always, 10/10. Bit my input about are lives on loop, aka being born at the start of your life after you die, gives me comfort. Then again I'm a gamer and love stories and what is are lives if jot a game with a complicated story you would never get all the answers. But back to the looping lives. I find comfort in it because it means everything I loved that I either lost, grew out of it, or wait a while for will come back to me. Granted, that means everything terrible feeling, experience, and hardship will also return. However, humans are creatures of endurance and if we truly appreciate life and assume we will be forced to relive our lives, than we should be happy and find comfort that we will enjoy life again, even if we don't remember living it I the first place. Granted this spits in the face of free will, but whether free will is real or not is irrelevant. Same goes with fate. Just like the DVD logo bouncing around on a screen: just because we know we'll be stuck in the box forever that is life, that doesn't mean chaos and randomness doesn't play. We won't always perfectly hit the corner at the end of the path, but in another path in another chance we will. Weird allegory aside, what I'm trying to say is, nothing matters because it's predetermined; however, because nothing matters there's all the reason to take risks and defy that path because any change, no matter how small, can and will alter the ending.

[@natetheaverage5270]

I'll occasionally think about the fact that some day I will die, and the thought is terrifying. I know that we have no way of knowing what a creature experiences when it dies and as much as I'd like to have the comfort of there being an afterlife, I can't bring myself to believe in something so unlikely. Edit: If there somehow is an afterlife, I want it to be this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/moq6oWBupriYd80

[@nightstar6179]

Ya, tonight i was starting to go down the same hole myself. Whats the point of living if at some point i wont be around to know i lived. Eventually i will stop existing and i won't even know i knew anything. This video popped into my head as something that might be a good distraction

[@tada8288]

An interpretation I’ve had is that when you go is that when you go to heaven or hell the pieces that are bad or good are removed. Essentially in heaven you could only feel “happiness” and the rest of the emotions and go with it, and hell would be the same but with the emotions that would make would “evil” or at least constantly miserable in some way. I thought of this since I really couldn’t make sense of heaven or hell working if you could still experience the full spectrum of emotions. Since in heaven you have everything forever you would accomplish all you are able to in your hobbies, and in hell being around everyone who has been through everything bad you could imagine would probably mellow you out. I haven’t put a massive amount of thought into this theory since I don’t care much for theology, I thought of it when I was trying to make the afterlife functional in fictional universe.

[@tada8288]

Also the Bible has had tons of things removed for one reason or another some things like the book of Judas describe heaven as being layered and a false paradise. So, since the canocity of the book where people generate their ideas of heaven is inconsistent I don’t see much point in using it as a source that has guaranteed answers.

[@fatmandoo]

As a person who has a faith.. This is awesome, heaven is amazing, but if it isn’t here that’s still amazing!

[@speinz9430]

Agreed

[@randomsomewhat-kinda-quasi1065]

I absolutely love Bowl’s design

[@albevanhanoy]

The reincarnation argument missed one crucial piece: Maybe reincarnation does not only work forwards in time. Maybe you can reincarnate into someone who lived far back in the past. I'd refer you to the short novel "The Egg" if you want to read more about that particular theory of the Afterlife.

[@orbismworldbuilding8428]

34:01 my solution to this is that essence splits and merges as it needs to to occupy the lives An alternative is that it is everywhere and channels down through lives, but isn't really divided up. Another, from a book and video called The Egg is that there is only one essence/soul reincarnating, and that it simply time travels to interact with itself

[@carlosoramasramos8911]

I would like to point to a very cool concept called "The Egg". The short film made by Kurzgesagt was really touching and offered a interesting perspective of the afterlife and the meaning of life and death

[@_Nykolaii_]

Wishing the best for Bowl and a swift recovery

[@orangetabby7122]

I'm currently quite agnostic in my beliefs, and haven't really thought about the afterlife. I mean I know that a person's physical form decays and returns to the soil and furthers the cycle of life, however the spiritual form is a complete mystery (if it even exists). My main two theories right now are: 1: There isn't a spiritual form, however we are close to "unlocking" a sort of afterlife in the form of potentially digitally copying our consciousnesses or something along those lines. 2: There *is* a spiritual form, and our actions on earth help to shape that form. I also have two sub-theories on how the afterlife works: 1: Our actions here do not matter, as the afterlife is so mind-shatteringly different that our experiences in life cannot transfer over to whatever lies beyond death. (Think of when you are doing something and then have to do something completely different. You still have the memories of doing the other thing, but the experience does not transfer over.) 2: Our actions here do matter, and whatever lies beyond death is not that different to what is here. (Heaven/Hell/Reincarnation type situation or something) Whatever the afterlife is, it's best to make your life and the lives of others around you as good as possible while you can, so that we as a species can keep reproducing and advancing towards better conditions for all (until we get into another argument and end up wiping out 99.99% of people with our technology, but that won't be for at least a few months)

[@goldenbunnies4143]

I did not expect to leave this video with the knowledge that FC is a marina fan. I am not disappointed

[@penitente3337]

Comedic, given I talked a bit about this with my friends yesterday. Very interesting video, definitely one if not my favorite from y'all for now.

[@Rekitor]

The Marvel: Ultimate Alliance OST was a wonderful surprise.

[@jackbandit5855]

Been waiting for this on binge session. Bowl's custom sprite alone gets me excited

[@yurirollrrir1807]

One thing i haven't seen during the video is comments about near-death experiences, including medical studies of the topic, i think that those studies could have potential for more debates.

[@willow5945]

Brains have weird hallucinations when deprived of oxygen sometimes. I agree that you could probably tell something about the human subconscious from this sort of thing, but it doesn't really have a place in metaphysical discussions.

[@emmagrace6396]

@@willow5945 there are plenty of documented cases of people's heart stopping and being able to view their family at home or people in the hospital. They wake up and can accurately describe exactly what the people were doing. Those experiences are hard to explain away

[@willow5945]

@@emmagrace6396 Confirmation bias. People have hallucinations and near-death experiences all the time, and some of them will line up with real events by pure coincidence, particularly when the family members in question behave predictably. But no one reports on the people who just see goblins or whatever, since the desire to prove the afterlife's existence is so strong, so the statistical prevalence of these weird cases is exaggerated. If you're thinking about some highly specific vision that is unlikely to occur by pure chance, there is also a psychological effect by which people can confabulate memories as the result of strong prompting. And that's not even getting into straight up hoaxes.

[@emmagrace6396]

@@willow5945 I don't think all NDE reports are legitimate, but there are definitely some that are and have been carefully studied and peer reviewed in a sound way. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ-3h4N5rLWdnqs This video goes in depth on these well-verified cases. He also responds to the typical objections such as yours. It's kind of long, but if you ever have 30 mins to kill, you might enjoy it.

[@frownyclowny6955]

I have found infinite joys in a flawed world while I would have starved for joy in the next world if I sheltered myself with a God. Letting go of that sort of hope opened my heart to a new kind of hope: an immediate hope that I could perform for the world I love

[@Iknowhowbadthisnameis8828]

I'd like to think that afterlife is: 1) basically an espectator Mode where you watch everything through the sidelines while munching ghost-popcorn. Somewhat of a "your time's up, gotta see where does what you did go" and depending on the repercussions, you get either a Heaven, a hell, or a Limbo. Kinda like an UHC lobby after only 5 dudes are still Alive, and every single other person is watching the conflict continue, cheering on whoever they wanna, or none. 2) not some weird plane of existance after death, it's a state of being you archieve after artificially extending your Life with machinery and join the machine god. With your Elder vision on what It took to archieve your purity, your steel, and your longevity, you can then judge your Life entirely, and die happily knowing you did everything you wanted to. An artificially-induced nirvana of sorts. 3) an eldritch hellhole where nothing makes sense, and you're basically cannon fodder/food to the outer gods of the world, meaning nothing, where ''survival" is priority, and Life is a Lost privilege. It's an *after* Life after all, why does it have to be any better than before?

[@SomPsiko]

FC basically recited the concept of a psychotic god playing around with what is basically a simulation over and over again, just more brief. Hey, sweet, parallel thinking. Albiet admittedly, the video about "supersapients" and population is what got me thinking about said concept.

[@rodmax3911]

I just thought about this but I think my favourite iteration of the afterlife in media and similar concepts to "heaven and hell" was with the show called "the good place" (spoilers if you haven't seen it) by the end of the show "hell" is not a punishment you have to endure because you were bad on earth but rather a place where you are subjected by mostly psychological tests (or how the demons put it, flattening the p*nises of their heart) and at the end of the test they are given the results of their evaluation, what they did wrong and right and help them understand why is wrong or right, then their memories are partially wiped out to the point where they can barely remember the results and advice given that's supposed to act as their conscience for the future test and once they truly become a "good person" then they are allowed to the good place where you can do anything at any time for what could be eternity but that would become boring pretty fast (to an infinite viewpoint ofc, to us it would be like a couple thousand or million of years) or how they put it in the show "become a slave to happiness", and then what? Then there's the final door, when you truly feel like you've done everything you ever wanted, every relationship, every skill learned, all of the bad things that may have troubled you when you were alive are gone then you step through that door and... no one knows what happens, it may as well be true death by how atheists like me see it but at least it's peaceful and you went away knowing that you really did everything that you had hoped for.

[@SnekyEXE]

The idea of an afterlife makes more sense to me, simply because I cannot fathom not feeling, thinking, hearing, or seeing anything. The idea of not exsiting is way to alien to me, so I believe that their is a life after this one.

[@laavo3754]

What's your viewpoint of sleep then, if I may ask?

[@SnekyEXE]

@@laavo3754 it feels good

[@leritykay8911]

@@SnekyEXE What if after death, it's just like a pleasant deep sleep that you don't remember? The same nothingness you felt before you were born. Doesn't sound too bad for me. But honestly, I believe I will disappear. So I won't feel anything because "I" no longer exists

[@SnekyEXE]

@@leritykay8911 my problem with that is, when we are asleep we are still very much aware. if death is = you don't have any senses. you would still be aware. if we felt nothingness before we were born (as you say) then we would feel it after but if death is death that isn't feeling and therefore contrary to our existence if what I am comprehending correctly what you said correctly. also my mind going crazy with this video daaang

[@leritykay8911]

@@SnekyEXE Okay, it's like this: If you destroy a video camera, like hit it, punch it, burn it, shred it... Then, what will the recording look like? It's not like it's just gonna be a black silent screen. The camera will just stop recording, it will not function. It's not like it's gonna stay in a black empty void for eternity. It just won't BE anymore. That's how I see death

[@digishade7583]

34:00 generally reincarnation beliefs usually say that you can come back as any living thing so that might be a parasite, plant, lesser animal and so on

[@ThaCataBoi]

when C.O. said that you may have different choices each time you reincarnate, it made me remember technoblade, and now I have depression. 10/10

[@montyturner6511]

Don't know if it's the background musics doing it, but I gotta say, this is the most badass discussion I've ever seen. Nice. 😁👍

[@plissken.]

love a 42 minute video on my bday, just like a gift fr

[@meiysko]

Oh my I didn't even notice it was this long lmao

[@mysterym6757]

Any video with bowl in it is already worth watching

[@bruschetta7711]

There is so much to discuss in this one that maybe getting a few more takes wouldn't be a bad idea Even just the concept of afterlife from the past like in the Divina Commedia would have been to discuss

[@XY2Moroccoball]

15:21 my theory is that the pain of the fires of hell are gonna be different depending on how many sins you committed in the real life

[@floricel_112]

40:45 honestly, I hate that mentality so much. "Ugh, I haven't accomplished anything in life. My life meant nothing.". JUST HAVING BEEN BORN TO EXPERIENCE LIFE IS ENOUGH! You were born into this life, you got to experience what it has to offer, be it good or bad. You got to make friends with which you experienced happy times and hard times together; and complete assholes who annoyed you to no end. You got to be hungry, thirsty, consume delicious foods and drinks that made you want more, or such vile and revolting things that made your stomach turn. You got to see so many places, people and animals; you got sick and felt like you were going to die or broke a leg and regretted taking walking for granted. You got to learn so many things about the world around you. You got to experience so many different things and emotions, so don't act like your existence was for nothing. Just living is meaning enough

[@welpidkmeh4447]

I'm getting The Good Place vibes from this video, laz go.

[@GanyuSimpingDegenerate]

The idea of Valhalla being an eternal CoD lobby makes it sound a lot more like hell

[@sayonayara]

YESSSSSSSS!! editing my comment after watching the video.

[@abelsanchez4696]

27:10 he hit him with the "you lacking faith brotha" 😂

[@techneti_um]

I thought Stingy Jack was gonna lead into some meme story a la the ugly barnacle but no, actual inspiration for the Jack o lantern, super cool to learn about

[@b0realis527]

I've always preferred reincarnation to heaven as a theory for what happens after death. The idea of unlimited everything doesn't appeal to me. I want enough to pursue my passions effectively whilst also having the motivation to do it by not being unlimitedly wealthy. That's what I worry about heaven the most. Also the idea of you being there eternally is a massive issue. You will eventually exhaust every single experience you could ever do. Then what? Again, reincarnation solves this by not having your memories from your past life transfer onto a new one. (Although I'd like to try that once if given the chance) Unlike other reincarnation believing religions though, I don't believe we "get judged on our actions and that determines our next lives" or that there's an ultimate goal. Morality is subjective.

[@b0realis527]

I think I'm still entirely sentient, however. It is very well possible for me to relive this specific life I'm in right now, but i wouldn't be railroaded to do the exact same thing I've done all my life. who knows? Maybe this version of me went like "Hm, that bitcoin thing seems cool, ima invest in it" back in 2013 lmao

[@elio7610]

In some ways everything is reincarnated, our bodies do not just dissapear. As for a soul, well, the soul probably never existed to begin with.

[@commanderblargh6300]

The concept of karmic based reincarnation is flawed in both poorly reflecting reality, and an incredibly ineffecient and unintegral morale system. First off, the vast majority of personas of anyone that comes across overwhelming fortune in life being a direct contradiction to the notion as well as the first example of its flaws, what worth is a system that does nothing to prevent flip-flopping between being "good" and being "evil", nothing to encourage consistently maintaining whatever may be considered this ideal lifestyle for the best future life? Punishments and rewards are literally meaningless in the first place without any memory of what you did to receive it, all that is achieved are inflated egos of insufferable entitlement, and victims of memory wipe being tortured for effectively nothing productive. The concept wants you to believe your life's fate is predetermined, that everything you have to endure is justified and you deserve it, and not the actions of everything else around you, the lasting side effects of those that that had lived previously, as well as the actions you make yourself presently. Or are they really suggesting that we're all puppetiered by fate and have no control over our actions in the first place, and that the universe is rewarding and punishing us for actions that it was the one who made us do them in the first place, 'cause if that's the case, what the actual F? It wants you to believe in a petty mindset of punishment and vengeance, that one who has evolved still deserves to be punished for the actions they have already abstained from in the pursuit of redemption, and that you should care about one's past heroics when they have fallen beyond saving are now doing nothing but making everyone suffer. I think by now I think I've got my point across, karma based reincarnation is severely unrealistic and unhealthy.

[@gektoast4968]

Very fascinating video, but Faux, I have to say that even a Christian pov kind of agrees with you. Everybody always forgets this, but supposedly heaven is more meant to be a waiting room until the current Earth ends and a new Earth begins, where we will all be reincarnated. So in this way, you be right about the afterlife just being Earth itself. And that would also bring meaning to living through heaven anyways- since it would technically not be eternal, and you would eventually get a new chance to live on Earth again- except it wouldn’t be in the state this Earth is in now or will be in the future. This same part of the bible also mentions a new heaven- which interestingly enough also suggest how God would be imperfect if that needs to happen anyways. That’s just my input, and I would’ve loved to hear discussion on this specifically, but I’m satisfied with this video. It was very entertaining and eye-opening.

[@sasir2013]

4:11 are we sure FC isn't pucci?

[@floricel_112]

14:30 I hated realising the mortality of things at a VERY early age. Must have been around 8 years old. I began crying, bawling my eyes out and yelling to my grandpa about not wanting to grow up because it meant I'd die and I didn't wanna die

[@jeanluca2002]

Me: "Oh a new video how nic..." Faux Cares: "Here you go, have some existencial dread about the end of times!"

[@Leefbay]

FBI Is Making me overthink about this situation everyday is so annoying!!! Thanks for making me anxious buddy! (I still enjoy your other videos)

[@emulatorisland7417]

God this video... the fucking intro... I love bowl and FC SO GODDAMN MUCH

[@gendraconis7869]

I literally feel like I’m watching a plot summary of SMT lol

[@gendraconis7869]

Since God or more of YHVH/Yahwen was a dictator and a deity that want nothing more than blind followers to his worship. Shin Megami Tensei is fricken great of a series.

[@juanito46101]

@@gendraconis7869 I don't know why but it specifically remind me of devil survivor

[@floricel_112]

Man...what an AWESOME video

[@morepain9337]

"Bowl is pure." "Pure alcohol." "Ey! Pure is pure!" i mean, true?

[@ravenb3048]

19:20 Bowl describes the Celtic concept of an otherworld, where you are born into another world when you die rather than going to an after life. When you die in the other world, you simply are born into this one.

[@dragonballgacha]

2:36 Goku and Vegeta would love Valhalla

[@yeontanseyebrows5588]

Bowl going ”total slay queen” has made my day

[@agilekay]

Perfection is unappealing because it leaves room for nothing else to do and our purpose in life is to do things. Chasing perfection is admirable, but expecting to reach it is foolish.

[@markwalker3510]

Bark bark, time for lard.

[@markwalker3510]

Btw if you read this tell Gringo he's a fkin idiot for not mentioning half the crap the Bible says about heaven, hell, and the requirements to go to heaven. Pissed me off as a Christian currently studying the Gospel

[@SpathiCaptainFwiffo]

bark bark, time for lard.

[@lengthorwidth]

this is going to be under every new video until it becomes annoying, isn’t it?

[@lordprime25]

Bark bark, time for lard.

[@markwalker3510]

@@lengthorwidth Bark bark, time for lard.