To Win, Sometimes You Must Lose || Harrwitz vs Morphy (1858)

[@FM-ft8pe]

I enjoy the Saga vids more than others bcz they come with a story & Agadmator's one hell of a storyteller.

[@wooliesfresh8070]

Agreed

[@DracoVolantus]

I miss alpha zero games, that generator of immortal games was the most interesting to me

[@johnchappell9232]

Yeah, me too. Agadmator is so prolific with his videos though that I'm getting greedy.. Cant wait for the 3rd game.

[@FM-ft8pe]

@Peter Mortensen of course

[@matteoferrarese1844]

I agree so much

[@thegorn]

Interviewer: “Mr Harrwitz, how would you describe Paul Morphy?” Harrwitz: “decent”

[@aayanansari700]

@Alexander Hall Day 81 of telling Agad.....😂😂😂

[@bodaraparth8643]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@leonardking2623]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ekkoekko4610]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@subhajitsarkar2272]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mikes.8647]

First games in a match always look like some sort of calibration for Morphy, checking his opponent and evaluating how much fun he can be and still get the W

[@Yusuf_K7]

Morphy haters hate you right now

[@rosshewage6893]

@@Yusuf_K7 Do they exist? It's not like they prefer "that other guy", cause there was no "other guy" - he stood alone (and in the minds of many chess immortals, still does...). Dude was a one man revolution.

[@Yusuf_K7]

@@rosshewage6893 Dude you’d be surprised. You have people criticizing him for having mental issues, others for not playing against certain individuals, such as, “Why didn’t Morphy play Paulsen or Andersson again when they got better? He’s obviously scared! Why didn’t he challenge this guy? This guy was good. Is Morphy chicken? Can he only play against terrible players?” These are the typical Morphy hater arguments.

[@rosshewage6893]

@@Yusuf_K7 Yeah, he was quite the enigma. Conquered and withdrew from the world of competitive chess within the span of 2 years, considering chess unworthy of serious pursuit. To me this makes his achievements even more remarkable; what legacy might he have left if he DID commit to it seriously (given worthy opponents)? As for the mental issues, it wouldn't be the first time "genius" and "madness" were seen cavorting together...

[@asmitadhikari1472]

Harrwitz queen defense was of another level

[@AdeshBenipal]

This is what woody does these days😂😂

[@SmilingIbis]

If the upcoming match was for stakes, I'd say Morphy was using this game as bait to hustle the old man.

[@jayteegamble]

They must not have pool hall hustlers where Harwitz is from. Morphy is from New Orleans where every type of hustler operates.

[@skarlock5257]

"There is no such thing as a premature counterattack." - Savielly Tartakower "There is no such thing as defense or counterattack, only ATTACK." - Thomas Wilson Barnes, probably

[@jamesnigelkunjuro12]

I only recently stumbled upon your KZbin channel and I have to say - I wish I had subscribed much sooner. I used to enjoy chess a lot more than a decade ago but I stopped playing much when I got to college. Watching your videos through the years, especially those from Tal and Capablanca, has given me back a renewed appreciation for the game. Thanks for making these videos and congrats on a million sub!

[@jayteegamble]

Watch the Morphy vs Barnes games. It's impossible to not love chess after watching those.

[@filippopioltino6264]

Harrwitz insisted that Morphy had the black pieces and also he did have to accept his opening. As we usually say in Italy: "what would you want more? A piece of my arse?" 😂😂😂

[@jakeb.2990]

well, black is actually better in that line

[@a.m.armstrong8354]

What's the Italian translation for I'll play for 'The Woman..?'

[@KennedyMister95]

@@a.m.armstrong8354 what do you mean, is that a saying?

[@JoaoPauloTrigoMD]

I'm just gonna assume that "arse" means ass

[@KennedyMister95]

@@JoaoPauloTrigoMD cause that's what arse mean hahaha

[@misternewoutlook5437]

Harrwitz is stronger than Barnes that much is clear. What makes the Morphy saga come to life is demonstrating that Morphy wasn't playing street cafe woodpushers. These guys were tough. It makes it all the more interesting to gain this knowledge in the story. If we only saw the games where Morphy was in the zone, what kind of a story is that?

[@140TrillionSuns]

This harrwitz play leela moves

[@mamihappy206]

all three games is for mr. harwitz and morphy promised to himself that harwitz never win again . then Game 3 to Game 8 morphy Just simply win 5 in a row ..

[@stavroschris3361]

Lol . Just because you saw two games of harrwitz this doesn't make him stronger than Barnes. You are just biased because you saw his two winning games, while the first was fixed and requested from Morphy to play an opening of his choice. Spoiler alert he lost the next five games and retired from the match, when the goal was to score seven wins. Also , it's obvious Morphy underestimated harrwitz and didn't perform well, while in the first game Morphy played bad and harrwitz played average to good defensive moves. if you like numbers Barnes has even better score against Morphy than harrwitz.

[@a.m.armstrong8354]

@@mamihappy206 Morphy = Badass!

[@12jswilson]

Harrwitz won the first 3 games then Morphy might have stopped partying all night before their games and went 5.5-0.5 against Harrwitz

[@rickelmonoggin]

Agadmator: "Harrwitz is too hard to pronounce, I'll just call both players Morphy"

[@vivekjoshi5207]

Harrwitz.. 1. You will play black 2. You will accept the King's Gambit 3. You will loose the game Morphy.. "Enjoy the joys of the interface"

[@solomonidokoko2135]

Wow...I love this

[@neilgerace355]

"Sometimes you have to lose before you're ready to win." Arnold Rimmer

[@SquinkyThreepwood]

That guy was a smeeeeeeg heeeeeeed.

[@danielmorrison5370]

Good ol’ IronBalls

[@TheAlienpope]

been watching you for quite a while now. You're a good chess commentator. But you're also an excellent story teller. Doesn't matter which game, context you give, back story you tell just makes these games come alive to a whole other level. Thank you, you are great at what you do

[@TheDeatheater3]

This guy harwitz is no joke. His moves seems super good even nowadays when we have engines and to spot such a strong moves these days.. Just incredible

[@BinaryRex18]

I believe he was something like #3 in the world when morphy played him.

[@josheike3543]

He might even be a stronger opponent than Staunton. According to this article, Staunton refused to play a match against Harrwitz. And I can't find any recorded games between them after 1846 (more than a decade earlier than this match against Morphy). www.edochess.ca/batgirl/Harrwitz.html

[@g-1393]

@@josheike3543 Staunton was a coward... as agad said the self proclaimed best

[@josheike3543]

@@g-1393 I just did a search for Morphy vs Staunton games on chessgames.com and it came up blank! He and I have the same record against Morphy

[@GeraldM_inNC]

To me after 3 games Harrwitz seems the strongest opponent in the "Morphy saga" so far. He doesn't make mistakes, he doesn't push attacks that are unrealistic, he doesn't fall into traps. No brilliant moves, but the normal moves are flawless. It takes a brilliant game to beat him.

[@davewestner]

Heya Agad, just a quick thank you for showing the previous move again after you go and explain the various lines. It's really helpful in my understanding of what's happening. Cheers

[@ThePlonzer]

the strange joys of the internet: excited about a chess match from 1853.

[@kasraard8939]

Agad: Mikhail Tal opens with e4 and this is a completely winning position for Tal

[@SenorQuichotte]

Morphy is about to open a can of whoop ass on Harrrwitz. Going on a brutal run of crushing not seen again until Fischer.

[@BinaryRex18]

Don't spoil it lol

[@BinaryRex18]

@@somebody700 yep. But for others it could be quite suspenseful that morphy has lost 3 in a row (although to be fair agad has messed up the tension a little by not Checking the order properly - not his fault, we all make mistakes).

[@BinaryRex18]

@@somebody700 Still, when I went through his games it's the awesomeness of that epic comeback that wows me. How efficiently the Morphy Machine gets into gear after the 2nd match is something to witness, although I guess spoilers really don't matter much in this context.

[@rosshewage6893]

@@BinaryRex18 The story goes that he spent the first 3 games diving deep into the Paris nightlife til the wee hours, then decided to get serious - unfortunately for the now overconfident Harrwitz. Kicked his ass into a near nervous breakdown. Y'all already spoiled it, so why not enjoy the punchline ;)

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

Many years ago, my buddies would come over once a week for card games. One day, before the get-together, I used my scanner and a bit of software to make a specially labeled treat for my guests. At a critical moment of the card game, just when I knew I was about to deal death to everyone, I reached into the cupboard, pulled out a can opener, and put a specially prepared can of Campbell's "Whoop-Ass" soup on the table. It got a big laugh, and eased their embarrassment somewhat at losing to the guy who was normally the worst card player in the room.

[@chancerobinson5112]

A historical tour of these great chess players is so enjoyable. Thank You!

[@luluonly486]

I’m an amateur chess player but omg it’s so satisfying when he pauses the video and you actually find the move lol 😎

[@Yash-ql7vn]

"Giving up three pawns isn't worth it unless you have a checkmate" hehe

[@derekfrost8991]

Some chess channels go through stuff too quickly. But this is very thorough and entertaining. Many thanks.. :)

[@orangenasa]

"He did the gentleman thing and resigned." Me: *I guess I'm not much of a gentleman then*

[@Neonator08]

with the way it was setup in the narration it should be obvious why he did that instead of going for a perpetual. He was already having a terrible time getting people of repute in the 19th century to play him. Being an ass in a lost position wouldn't help too much...

[@trindinwright6374]

I check for chess info because of him. I’m so grateful for the meaningful information/entertainment he’s provided. I hope he’s proud of himself. He’s a gem.

[@LeventK]

Morphy correctly decided to sacrifice his king. What a legend.

[@TheChessDude124]

Beginners be like

[@HansNieman]

Hello Levent

[@vladp089]

I'm enjoying the history as much as the chess. Agad makes it enjoyable

[@synesthete23]

That felt like a boxing match. Great stuff!

[@The_Kirk_Lazarus]

Agadmator is a fantastic storyteller, literally bringing these players to life with his words.

[@solomonidokoko2135]

Very true...such a storyteller

[@magician531]

You can make that arrow in case you want to show a bunch of moves in advance. At some point in a line that you are showing, there might be a knight where the queen is now.

[@adamsleath]

these barnes and morphy games have improved my game. I'm a fan for sure. Thanks for the channel . ! I'm not clever enough to play higher level. but Barnes certainly had something. all out aggression and some decent defense. (in my very amateur opinion. i am only around a level 1300. :-/) enjoying the games and your analysis.

[@haskomeyer4924]

Now imagine Capablance here: Harrwitz: OK... maybe we can play a match, but first we'll have a casual game. Capablanca: No problem. Harrwitz: And you being black. Capablanca: No problem. Harrwitz: And we go for the King's gambit accepted. Capablanca: Wait... I don't have opening knowledge

[@aayanansari700]

Not funny unless the viewers have seen the Capablanca saga😂

[@haskomeyer4924]

@@aayanansari700 I know. Definitely not everyone has seen it, but many have.

[@aayanansari700]

@@haskomeyer4924 yeah.... Because we are *Excellent* subscribers

[@mamihappy206]

Watch The Game 3 . morphy Promised to himself that Harwitz never Again ang Again and then see what HAPPENED..

[@griffinbur1118]

I originally was not interested in this game bc, as you said, our hero loses, but only when he’s forced to play a certain opening-but Harrwitz is quite the player, it seems, even if he got stomped in the other game. Lots of super interesting “onlys” in that very tense late middle-game. Nicely presented!!

[@yougotcrad1]

Do the match from the "Outstanding Move" meme - la jugada mágica de bogolyúbov - between chess grandmasters Ludwig Rellstab and Yéfim Bogolyúbov in 1940. I can't find a good translation from the source KZbin video and would love to know how you feel about the match.

[@FM-ft8pe]

Use #suggestion so he can your comment

[@amexjam55]

Excellent work, Agadmator. 👍

[@StevenStJohn-kj9eb]

Does anyone know how much 1000 horses would be in today's horses?

[@youtubewatcher8982]

I think like 50k

[@youtubewatcher8982]

@@somebody700 haha i was joking

[@tonimarusic7443]

This is like when playing football with a smaller kid. You go soft on them and then, when he thinks he has a chance, you crush him and his hopes. Smart guy Morphy

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

[@KennedyMister95]

Morphy is a gentleman of another level. I wish my opponents are the same when I'm low on time and completely winning haha

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Brilliant game 👌🏾

[@somewhere6]

Harrwitz was a significant and real opponent at this time but this game always looked to me that Morphy was sandbagging to secure a match. Chess players often have frail egos and the prospect of being annihilated by Morphy in a match gave pause to many players.

[@Puschit1]

Harrwitz actually didn't have much choice. He was a professional chess player that was paid by that famous cafe where these games were played. Once the crowd cheered and wanted that match he couldn't refuse because he would most likely lose his job there.

[@vivekmohan7785]

Agadmator is an awesome storyteller 👍

[@Larry_Kabberga]

13:34 This is how I typically lose my Queen: Rc8+ great I found a way to save my Queen!!! QxR QxR Qc2+ and bye bye my Queen....

[@Sivajivaylajilebi]

I also thought the same😂😂🤣🤣

[@dorj46]

I like how those days you don't just play the opening to start playing the game but you need to survive the opening right of the gate

[@elegomeskin]

This is what is called in the NY street scene the " set up the sucker " game...

[@n20games52]

This game was like data collection for both players.

[@Kurt_Philanderer]

sometimes i wish video cameras were invented back then so we could watch morphy play. something tells me he would be a charismatic player to watch.

[@christophmessner6450]

But here agadmator showed what an excellent analyzer he is! Even Murphy thought: “Maybe he knows his stuff!”

[@marekstopka8002]

Seems this match is most exciting in Morphy's saga so far.

[@TheGrandmaMoses]

There's always the opera.

[@bodaraparth8643]

Sad that he retired from chess at an age of 22

[@gniewomircioek6845]

You can draw any arrow, because you can draw arrows for few moves in a row and ui simply does not consider where piece stand in current situation.

[@radjababuop9885]

Its like a clash of titans !! That's Crazy !

[@yojo1810]

Super rad samo tako nastavi!

[@VicDeMelo]

At minute 13:33 why isn't it possible to play Rc8 + and if the king moves you capture the Queen or if the Queen takes you capture the rook (Qxh2)? This way you ' d come up with an extra knight @agadmator

[@GlorifiedTruth]

At 13:40, could White also play Rc8+, forcing the Black queen to capture and leaving the Black rook hanging? Oops, nope, just answered my own question. Because then after White picks up the Black rook, Black responds with Qc2+, winning White's queen. THIS CHANNEL IS MAKING ME SMARTER.

[@valimaa1006]

Very good point.

[@FalConXG]

Is there any movie for Morphy like there is one for fischer?.

[@SmilingIbis]

A script would have to fill in a lot of blanks about Morphy's life and motivations. Much of the official literature on Morphy sounds like a lot of potential baloney. Fischer's life is much more documented and easier to turn into a movie.

[@davidgriffiths7696]

When our hero must apply for a match in an age of skullduggery, it is only fair to engineer the expectations of the opposition so he walks complacently towards that fate which his deportment and ability merit. A respectable challenger, yet precisely calculating a little less precisely👍

[@ishandhawan9011]

13:40 Rc8+ also works for saving the queen

[@fabiandaja6137]

0:23 It izzz what it izzz...

[@SaadTheGlad]

Thank you agadmator! Finally a video I can understand. Speaking from experience

[@iUUkk]

Reason why you can do that queen arrow at 13:10 is because you can draw arrows for if a knight were on that square.

[@KofiKrules]

Another episode today?????? pls

[@mattroxursoul]

Always makes me wonder how great some of these past players had access to data banks of knowledge like is common now. A 800 player can get so much knowledge so easy now it is insane. I am a bit older so all of this stuff was not there when I was a kid. Sure there were some computer chess games out, but that was still before Deep Blue won.

[@shamsursagor293]

This guy is amazing.

[@SerLaama]

Queens used to be able to move like knights in Russia, I believe. Maybe that's why the UI allows that arrow. Some UIs also allow any arrow for any piece, so...

[@zarifshoeb]

13:09 I think it was made possible so that you point out suppose “ if the queen was on h7 .... “ stuff like that.

[@bcask61]

I love the Good Stuff!

[@varunkaushik2732]

I was a casual chess player who used to watch this channel and other chess channels for fun, now I wish to be a bit more serious about my chess, can someone please tell me how to study and remember all the opening lines (or where to begin) and the most important ones to use. How to store that much info?

[@dantedeloden]

13:46 rook to c8 would also check + deflect the queen with the rook, but yeah rook check on g1 is simple and the natural way to go about for sure. u just said the only move so i had to say this

[@dantedeloden]

i didnt even bother calculating afterwards but ud prob lose the queen doing it that way

[@397sr8]

I am so exiciated for stenaiz saga...😅 But when it will happen don't know

[@solomonidokoko2135]

Yet to watch this game...I know Morphy will get his head today

[@PaulAllen8.30]

Me: early, trying to come up with an agadmator joke My brain: not happening, sorry about that

[@TheChessDude124]

Lol

[@iamrightcauseurwrong663]

😂

[@Tomoyo_Sayomura]

Nice haircut Agad!

[@michaelrose1927]

2:06 white can castle and then skewer tbe Q if K is taken on e5?

[@TheChessDude124]

Depression: *Exists* Agadmator: *We don't have that here*

[@syedshayanrecitations6790]

To go left you must go right?

[@15k91]

I am waiting for more and more games in this match..its like fischer vs spassky or even like capablanca vs lasker or even like tal vs botvinik

[@shashankshirsat9779]

Title : Me : That is why my winning percentage is 50%

[@samratsur8074]

Joys of user interface!

[@sullywinn4225]

Of course Morphy would accept any stakes. For him, finding an opponent who could actually beat him was priceless. Kudos to Harrwitz. He seemingly forced Morphy to at least TRY after their third match.

[@MegaGandalf12]

Morphy likes to play with his food....

[@mostefaahmed4201]

When is the next game

[@agadmator]

Some 45 minutes

[@mostefaahmed4201]

@@agadmator you are the best can't wait

[@anandbeh1139]

It is as it is

[@tusharkumar3998]

Kabhi kabhi jeetne ke liye harna padta hai aur haar ke jitne wale ko bazigar kehte hai Paul Morphy

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

I think Morphy was hustling Harrwitz. We've seen this sort of story in the movies many times. A stranger walks into the local billiards hall, and offers to play a friendly game with the local expert. The expert has to work at it a little bit, but he beats the stranger. Then the stranger offers to play for a small wager, the expert ups the ante, and by the end of the evening the stranger walks out with a few hundred in his pocket. This is what Morphy is about to do to Harrwitz -- even spotting him the first game of the match, just to make it more interesting, and therefore more crushing in the end.

[@Oneiric_Benevolence]

13:40 Rc8:Am i a joke to you?

[@vincentmillette7584]

Yes. As another commenter noted, Qxc8 Qxh2 Qc2+ wins White's queen.

[@saikatkarmakar6633]

Waiting for the second game

[@2kgodwannabe571]

Wait a minute does Paul Morphy kinda look like Nicolas cage i cant unsee it now

[@valimaa1006]

He looks like a triangle with face or even an arrow.

[@videopetanque7436]

under rated

[@veselinvuletic7269]

Napravio si vecu neizvesnost nego u nekoj seriji, nisam mogao da izdrzim i morao sam da proguglam kako se zavrsio mec sa Harvitzom

[@agadmator]

Neeeeeeeee, pa zašto :)

[@nickb-whistler4431]

Harrwitz got hustled.

[@allScrims]

13:35 Its not the only move. He had Rc8+

[@stevenbennett4913]

If white wants to lose their queen, this is the move you make

[@chormizimik6341]

Correct , Enzo.

[@roadhockey]

It was in this position that Morphy surrendered 1000 horses.

[@kushaldabbe]

"I don't lose, but when I do, I don't " -Morphy

[@jesuschristislordoflordsan427]

isnt Qf3 a possible move at 9:34?

[@dielectrictruth1040]

dude you are amazing with these uploads!

[@josephdestaubin7426]

At 13:49 Rc8 looks like a much better move than Rg1, in as much as when the smoke clears white is up a knight and some pawn. What am I missing here?

[@lancetschirhart7676]

Morphy had a thousand horses? No wonder he didn't mind sacrificing so many of them.

[@spleeeen4it]

I now have the same hairstyle as Paul Morphy due to lockdown

[@moatazmady7922]

13:39 .. Rc8 would have been awesome

[@Szachybyskawiczne]

Wow so awesome game! :)

[@oldjude1987]

13:35 "there is only one good move for Horowitz here"(RG1)...Can someone who is actually good at chess please tell me why rook to C8 doesn't also work?

[@borismateev767]

@Alexander Hall Exactly....

[@borismateev767]

@Alexander Hall Thats why it works

[@140TrillionSuns]

you have to see what follow lol . afer rc8 with check qb8 captur rc8 . white qf2 captur rh2 your queen is unprotected qc8 go to c2 give check pickup unprotected qh2 . ( btw you have to play qf2 captur rh2 there is nothing better to)

[@hankjones7054]

1.Rc8, Qxc8 2. Qxh2, Qc2+ And white loses the queen???

[@borismateev767]

And this is why I am not rated higher than I am haha

[@kalodont1916]

13:35 White could also play Rc8+ (instead of Rg1+) and force the trade of rooks. 🧐