Age of Sigmar 4: Hedonites of Slaanesh Faction Pack 2024 - Full Review

[@pancakemogul]

You're doing the AOS community-as well as anyone curious about it-a tremendous service with these videos. Thank you!

[@TheVardek13]

0:57 Battle Traits 3:06 Fane of Slaanesh 4:40 Battle Formations 7:10 Heroic Traits 8:25 Artefacts of Power 10:13 Spell Lore 13:30 Manifestation Lore 14:32 Manifestation Lore Mesmerising Mirror 16:15 Manifestation Lore Wheels of Excruciation 17:20 Manifestation Lore Dreadful Visage 18:54 Glutos Orscollion 23:18 Sigvald 25:19 Shardspeaker of Slaanesh 27:07 Lord of Pain 28:37 Lord of Hubris 30:48 Syll'Esske 33:31 Shalaxi Helbane 37:10 Keeper of Secrets 41:03 The Masque 42:26 Synessa 44:59 Dexcessa 47:35 Contorted Epitome 48:55 Infernal Enrapturess 50:23 Bladebringer: Herald on Exalted Chariot 51:48 Daemonettes 54:19 Fiends 56:11 Hellflayer 57:45 Seeker Chariot 58:15 Seekers 59:03 Hellstriders 1:00:22 Slickblade Seekers 1:02:26 Blissbarb Seekers 1:03:45 Blissbarb Archers 1:05:43 Slaangor Fiendbloods 1:06:53 Symbaresh Twinsouls 1:08:32 Mymisdesh Painbringers 1:09:32 Conclusion

[@rotm4447]

Bro how did Slaangor manage to get even worse. You've had 3 tries now, come on.

[@LukeJohnson-uh6cs]

Haha 😂

[@adolfoatreides4172]

They are rough. Lots more misses than hits in this book. It seems like it’s gonna be a spam demons book.

[@rotm4447]

@@adolfoatreides4172 I dislike how you want a keeper for pendant/strongest alone but bringing it pigeons you into demons. They should have swapped the abilities of HoS and Shalaxi.

[@shazzy544]

Ive been playing 40k for 10 years, and I can confidently say i have never seen any slaneesh player be exxcited at all for any of the abilities they have ever been given. Truly the masochists army

[@kharchieff]

the prevous temptation dice/depravity system was cool though. even if it was without the summoning

[@TheApple176]

I feel that Blades of Khorne keeping blood tithe points, but tying it to activating abilities rather than summoning, was the better approach for Chaos battle traits. A revamp of depravity points, with a handful of abilities (one that could be giving euphoric) would have been a better core for Slaanesh to build around.

[@TheLemonSandwich]

Worth noting ecstatic throngs battle formation synergises with the fane of slaanesh terrain dishing out d3 mortal damage

[@SATSUBLAZE]

Can't believe GW cut seeker cavalry 2" move. Now seeker light cavalry are same move as Blood knights heavy cavalry. Also Lumineth keeps his 14" Dawnrider heavy cavalry. Seems like GW not even give you a battle trait that benefit opponent , and make HoS players to use it, to pay the temptation dice point cost for the opponent.

[@OniFeez]

I am a Hedonites player for both competitive and just general play and I have to say I hate the battle trait. Yes the auto give your opponent a 12" charge is horrendous, but giving your opponent aeldari fate dice for wanting to play your army is quite simply... stupid. It even gets around (potentially) Keeper -1 to hit if they want to spend it on that. The fact that it only has a 33% chance to punish your enemy for using the Temptation mechanic (and only on D3 mortals) is not, imo, a sufficient deterrent on whether they want to do it or not. Even Slaanesh's relatively high rend is countered by this mechanic, because your opponent basically knows they can save if they've got a Temptation dice in reserve by just placing it there, and then be 'relatively' safe 66% of the time afterwards. By dice then, it seems like it is almost always more useful to do 2 hits over mortals that the spell can give you because it might make it mathematically worse off for your opponent to guarantee saves against you, however there is no *guarantee* that you'll get the extra hit, but there is a guarantee that your opponent will (potentially decide) to make the save against you. This is why I hate the mechanic with the passion of the Khorne v Slaanesh 'relationship.' It would imply that you will need to combo charge and overwhelm portions of your enemy, but you were probably doing that before anyway, but now things are more likely to bite you back for playing your army outside just your opponent or your plays.

[@nenasapable]

Man, I think whoever designs HoS at GW hates the army.

[@mistformsquirrel]

Hrm. So I'm not at all surprised we lost the ability to ally in STD... ... I am actually pretty surprised we don't seem to have gotten our own Daemon Princes and/or Soulgrinders though. Daemon Princes particularly just feel like such a Pretenders thing, like if you wanted to play a mortal who's risen from the bottom to Daemonhood and now has convinced themselves they can snatch Slaanesh's vacant throne... Ah well. I had a backup plan just in case this should occur. And maybe come Battletome time those missing units will be included then. I can hope right? ... wait that's a Tzeentch thing... *is devoured for apostasy*

[@bartek_ewertowski]

Yeah it is weird especially since the Daemon prince has a Slaanesh head option.

[@worthless_punk]

yeah slaanesh loves stds

[@KelstenGamingUK]

You’d think if any army had STDs, it’d be Slaanesh.

[@ChrisfrmOhio]

Thanks for the info , I have an entire 3k points of my Nurgle daddies I was looking at Slaanesh next

[@BigBossFatMoss]

Hanging on your every word! Can’t wait for your coverage of the Cities of Sigmar!

[@nekowarlock9329]

Where can i find all these full faction pack leak things? I thought these woloudnt come up like after 9th august

[@eliasegger6625]

Yes would be good to know

[@assift1246]

Some chosen ones got them earlier. We peasants can just wait a little longer.

[@mistformsquirrel]

PRAISE SLAANESH! \o/ (Excited, thank you!)

[@joshsmith1179]

Great review. Thanks. One question: if the opponent uses the temptation dice to get a "12" on a charge roll, will Glotos' spell counter that or how does that interact?

[@ulysescolon2183]

Hell yeah thanks for the breakdown rob!

[@InZane_DM]

kruelboyz or nurgle next lord high daddy honest wargamer. thank you for doing these also

[@joegammie9315]

I'm excited by this - lots of cool abilities and combos that if you can get off you'll slap! Painbringers and twinsouls may have mixed up warscroll abilities but they both have key roles now and with some simple buffs they'll be scary. Blissbarbs may have got even better as a screen, whack a block of 20 in front of your army, make them euphoric turn 1 and even if you go second you'll probably get to fire those 40 shots at something using covering fire. Glutos looks a really good centrepiece, as does Shelaxi - need to decide which to paint first now. Yes, loads of scrolls seem very meh but feel there's plenty of play here.

[@Troobalaro]

Praise be Slaanesh! I am very excited to test these guys out. The Battle Traits had all of us worried, but I think the warscrolls and extra stuff might make them work

[@rotm4447]

I don't see why, basically every single unit looks worse except the keeper in an army that already had bad scrolls and crutched on allegiance abilities that are now gone.

[@Troobalaro]

@@rotm4447 almost every single unit in the game this edition got nerfed. Look at it in a new light. Some standouts: Glutos still very good, Dexcessa + Synessa combo is actually playable, Daemonettes went from 5+ to 6+ 6+++ and get +1 attack on the charge. Spell lore is decent. KoS is better. Our cavalry is still very capable. Also keep in mind we haven’t seen points yet

[@rotm4447]

@@Troobalaro Gluttos is slower, lost damage, lost his giant -1 hit aura, lost a save. He isn't a standout from where I'm standing. A standout is demon prince or belakor or something that you know, actually got better instead of worse. Dexcessa is a combat monster with 10w and 5+ save, just nah. Like that's worse than a aleguzzler. She just dies. The points already had to drop drastically without command point spamming and depravity. Now the shooting is way worse too.

[@Troobalaro]

@@rotm4447 Dexcessa also has a 5+++ and -1 to hit assuming you’re bringing Synessa, and she actually has a way to heal now. Our army has always been a glass cannon army, so idk why you’re surprised. Give an enemy Phantasmagoria and she can easily retreat from combat. Glutos lost the -1 to hit aura but now massively buffs the melee and control of nearby mortals (the downside being it takes time to reach that bonus). His heal is more reliable too. I think he’ll still be pretty damn strong, and him going down from nearly 500 points isn’t out of the question

[@rotm4447]

@@Troobalaro Yeah better go buy the other $110 model if you want to get to play the one you bought.

[@salemsuwareh1643]

Pleasure to tune in to you. Im still laughing at "if you stand near a donkey on a wednesday..." for the conditions of some ability.

[@cyriltournier]

Thanks Rob. Fantastic video

[@AlecBoyle]

Didn't realize until just now that the Shard Seeker is Rita Repulsa.

[@Grigorim]

Enjoying content on the internet yeah that’s my jam

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Love ya

[@simon6435]

E-pit-oh-me is correct pronunciation Joyous Battle Fury only gives a maximum of plus 1 for a single turn unless there is another way to get those tokens

[@RionikuAnjiru]

The tokens don't expire, so you get as many attacks as you have tokens until the end of your next turn, but if you don't keep fighting, the extra attacks turn off.

[@JackCawood]

You’re a rockstar! Thanks a ton!

[@danielcraine120]

In my personal opinion, this is spicey

[@davetaylor8300]

Depraved carnival formation with terrain piece can damage a unit to get the terrain +1 wound ability which would make then also +1 to hit as they will have the damage from terrain. Makes things a bit better for that one I guess

[@Fotta1989]

Love you, Rob!

[@MichielDePelsemaeker]

Can you also do Beasts of Chaos? We haven't had a single leak or attention yet.

[@BloodKraven]

Keep up the great work

[@rickroberts7312]

Great vid as always

[@EndTimeHeresy]

Hi there, the clear objective markers from your shop just arrived. Very nice, thank you. Good Idea. So many are ruin the map because of different colors

[@travisd2895]

Every turn means you would have to do said things at every turn. Any turn means you don't have to do it at all, you can do it on 1 turn or both turns.

[@ToriGiffin]

Keep up the great work 🎉

[@olafolafsson2755]

Let’s see if they are as bad as the internet says :D

[@Shiizi]

Man some units got so damn bad. Like slaangors are nerfed so hard. The harp also massive neff to only mess with a singel spel. The mirror hero used to be such a good caster with a realy nice spell also massive nerf. I realy hope dexcessa and synessa will be cheap af and not useless like last edition. Did they also remove alot of the chariot heroes? Used to be 3 varients (which felt a bit too much). Im surprised there aint much buffing your own speed. Some things looks realy nice. I hope the archers on seekers get 14 inch range otherwise you cant do 2 euphoric killers since u will be within guaranteed charge range 😅

[@brucesolomon1514]

The big demons make it seem very interesting

[@superbit415]

So what I got from this video is that every unit needs Euphoric to be decent.

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

They could have it

[@rotm4447]

Well points are out so I guess our list looking like 60 blissbarbs and 10 slickblades again.

[@petersabotilov9542]

Rob can you please do Khorne as soon as you can, thank you for the videos!

[@Lfcsweden-n5m]

Are these leaks or does it come more of em? Looking for FEC, Sigmar and Ironjaws.

[@JoshMyers-yt9xx]

These videos take hours to make. He just started releasing them. Give him time. lol.

[@patrickdhamilton]

The excess of all these faction reviews pleases Slaanesh!

[@DemandredTaim]

Phantasmagoria, because of the timing, wouldnt the unit get to pile in as part of the fight ability?

[@ocularorb4021]

where did he get this from??? is there one for any of the undead armies?

[@saltytattie833]

I feel like Dexcessa and Synessa should have 4+ saves for the points they have. With how many profiles have 1 rend and anti (something) that I've seen this edition a 5+ save is basically tissue paper. I'm probably gonna run them anyway because the models are cool, but they definitely don't look great.

[@vyst8132]

Is there a link to every leaked warscroll or was it just screenshots?

[@enk3r]

Thanks for not doing Slaanesh last! Excited to finally dust off my Hellstriders

[@Gazbag]

What’s next review ? I am very interested into the orruk warclan review 🙏

[@aqure9]

Praise be Slaanesh

[@JTRO89]

Crazy Glutos lost his 3+ armor while other big units got to keep theres for some reason

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

He has wild healing + rally

[@waarghboss79]

Yep we've been shafted. For a chaos faction that focuses on s&m we seem to have been given a whole lot of m with no s!😂

[@OldManRogers]

Pity Lords of Change are trash :S HoS Feels like a high skill ceiling army with the tempation dice

[@timwilhelmi9358]

If by high skill you mean winning after giving your opponent a 12" charge takes a lot of skill or a miracle, then yes you are right

[@viatheanteprian5639]

Wait, where is the warscrolls for the Viceleader, Seekers, Hellstriders or the chariot heroes? Im fairly certain i read that warcry bands are out but did I miss something else?

[@icarosun8445]

Probably they will be remove too. Any model in finecast (like Viceleader) are dismiss this year.

[@MocnySquall]

Seekers and hellstriders have rules. They are shown in this video.

[@Juicyjim57]

The exalted chariot is hero only, the smaller two no longer have the option to become heroes.

[@viatheanteprian5639]

@MocnySquall oh damn, i even reflipped through the video (skimmed really) and didnt see their scrolls. I must be blind af. Glad to know i just overlooked em :)

[@rotm4447]

euphoric doesn't even effect gluttos attacks right?

[@bigtom8925]

It's up in the air, companions can't be affected by another units ability, but the battle traits isnt coming from another unit. I expect an faq very quickly

[@darkagentbloodhoof]

I'm so excited to give Hedonites a try! Just started to pick them up at the end of 3rd. Looking to run a regiment with exalted and 3 hellflayers

[@papabar4795]

Is it possibile that attacks can go down to 0 attacks? A Limit gives only by Hit,wound and save .

[@LukeJohnson-uh6cs]

Naah minimum of 1

[@olafolafsson2755]

Does shalaxi stop the charge move of the enemy hero?

[@damianelvidge9395]

Feels like they mixed up the abilities of the twinsouls and painbringers

[@PonyusTheWolfdude]

Worried about needing euphoria to actually do critical effects other armies does for free. Will have to feel how it playsbi guess.

[@bruhfunnies3441]

They somehow made fiends even worse. Glad I got an FEC army ready for 4th instead.

[@NapGod]

yooooo lets wololo

[@PacorrOz]

Are you gonna show nighthaunt?

[@nurglematthew893]

Oh my, this is wildin' out awesome. Nurgle Bless you Chaos lot.

[@PhoenixExcess]

So not only did most of warscrolls get way worse (and before someone says everything has gotten worse, that’s blatantly untrue and there are several channels on KZbin doing the mathhammer proving it.) We are pretty much playing without an army rule. Our command traits are meh, we have one good formation, and our artifacts are once per battle or garbage. Unless we are comically cheap and are able to go horde mode, I’m thinking HoS will be sub 40% winrate until they get rewritten just like DE, ad mech, and DG in 10th. They all had the same problems as HoS and HoS will probably require the same solution.

[@adamray7249]

SLAVES TO DARKNESS WHEN

[@joshy9140]

Sadly, as it turns out, there’s nothing in the list that’s less than a hundred points 😢

[@tizianomerello6530]

Wait is there a way to give sigvald 3d6 charge?

[@NicholasMoen-le3fo]

There was in 3.0 if you played chaos warshrine as an ally. Doesn't seem to be a way to do it so far in 4.0

[@jamesoconnor505]

Deamonic speed.

[@CatroiOz]

Hey guys I'm really interested in going for a full mortal army with hedonites. Is it viable ? I find the mortal minis so beautiful compared to the kinda aging daemonettes.

[@Troobalaro]

100% Viable. Glutos is a great center piece model if you want him, and the mortal infantry should be relatively cheap. I have run lists with all of the small mortal heroes before with, for example, 2x5 Myrmidesh and a unit of 5 Symbaresh (would run more if I had the models), with either 2x11 Blissbarbs or a big block of 22. The Mortal Seekers are really good and fun to use, too. The main nerf to Hedonite MORTAL units (lets not talk about our army abilities) this edition, IMO, is that Blissbarbs got a big nerf to their homunculus and the Lord of Pain got knocked toa 5+ ward which really hurts his strength

[@ChiefBones]

Slaves when?

[@chakradarrat8832]

can nighthaunt be next please

[@MegaTacocaT]

Do Tzeentch and try to find anything nice to say about them

[@markpandelidis2079]

GW still doesn't like chariots. Definitely feels like there's huge misses. Fiendbloods. Don't know why they don't have something like can't be targeted outside of 12" if they're near terrain or something. Painbringers and twinsould are weird. Not very well defined roles imo

[@CIABATTAROTTA4709]

"hey man, what do you think about my girlfriend? she's so sweet and loves me!" Rob: 8:01

[@matthewadamsteil]

This is Slaanesh, therefore it IS pronounced DOMage. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2bXiXqNj5Z9i5osi=YTVEDoCZL6bwTHxY&t=2080

[@saltedduckeggs]

Rob is the goat

[@jamesjefferson6352]

The whole faction is a miss. No synergy for heros, weak to wound 4+ on most makes crit 2 hits weak. The amount of benefits hedonites give to opponents is ridiculously over powering againt itself.

[@anthonyreal1594]

It's hard being a man in the hobby.

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Really hard

[@OniFeez]

Interesting Combo: Lord of Hubris with say; a Keeper of Secrets. Cast Phantasmagoria on the Lord of Hubris and combo charge the enemy death dealing unit, force the lord of hubris choice, if they decide to accept, phantasmagoria away the Lord of Hubris out of combat wasting the enemy attack, then attack with the keeper.

[@noprobllama9747]

A bit disqppointed. Love the army but the rules are so convoluted.

[@dylanbland1908]

Thanks for doing my faction bud

[@jakubburchardt4009]

Jesus what they did to this army is horrible

[@BruderSenf]

yup, the temptation dice were never a really powerful mechanic but it was a fun one but now its god awful

[@arcus9590]

An immortal master duellist and Slaanesh' favourite champion shouldn't rely on a gimmick to punch above a nameless foot hero.

[@dannyneumann3086]

PLS FEC AS NEXT FACTION PACK ❗❗❗

[@marcussloss6937]

great heroes, terrible units it seems.

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

some are ok, slickblades, painbringers etc

[@MKDietz]

Glutos can't even use crit 2 hits right? Since his attacks are companion weapons....?

[@thesoothsayer9223]

I don't know why I feel tempted by slaanesh this edition....

[@LukeJohnson-uh6cs]

They'll be the hard mode of the game if they don't change that allegiance ability

[@damianelvidge9395]

Feels like they mixed up the abilities of the twinsouls and painbringers

[@pavro_w0t719]

For real. Why is the unit with huge shields the offensive one and the one with less armor and two weapons os the defensive one??

[@cegla_a]

Literally. Like, why...?

[@Dreadnob]

It says it right there in the name. One brings the pain, the other... souls the twin?

[@TrebleAmp]

Yeh absolutely! 🤣🫣