Aigina: Greece's Forgotten Naval Power

[@Zanator1]

I read somewhere that the people of Aigina had a long standing affinity for the people of Ock

[@seangambogi7901]

Filthy. You have no place speaking in a public forum. Delet this!!

[@lespil2253]

As a Greek person, I feel honour when somebody would go to such lengths and depths, covering such a 'niece' area of the ancient geopolitical map. One whose history, many locals themselves may not always be aware of.

[@Itsatz0]

As a Greek person I am embarrassed that Aigina and Athens fought each other instead of being allies in a common cause.

[@lespil2253]

@@Itsatz0 We shall not forget that back then, although these people were considered Greeks, they were still living in city-states, something that made each city-state a bit more caring for their own good first. Second we need to consider that back then, people were more savage in general, I don't think we'd be able to survive 1 week under their conditions. And third, the pattern of nationalism and the conciousness of somebody's culture and history, or simply, being a patriot, is a fairly new concept (not more than a couple hundred years old) I know from history that not a single nation in this world is 100% innocent or 100% guilty, But as a Greek, that's my history and I cannot change it, You can feel embarassed and therefore anti-greek, Or you can love your country with its goods and bads, because that's what Greece needs more right now, People who are not Greeks are talking about our history, While people like you feel embarassed, Well, you can always go and live somewhere in Asia and praise somebody's else cultrure if that makes you feel better, Thanks for the comment, Have a nice day

[@Itsatz0]

@@lespil2253 OK, they lived in city states, which grew out of a 10,000 year journey of establishing villages, starting in the foothills of the Caucasus, working their way down both sides of the Black Sea, central Anatolia, the Balkans, the Aegean, all the way to southern Italy, Nice and Marseilles. Thinking as a nation just never crossed their minds. (Accept, of course, the Persian wars.) The apex of what became Greek civilization was Alexander, he had no predecessors, no guideline. He was 100% ambition. He killed his father. He tortured 100,000's of thousands. 900 Jewish priests were crucified and had their wives and children's throats cut in front of them while they hung there. Right till he died he was murdering people. His doctor was the last. The Greeks claim affinity with Socrates, but it was Greeks who murdered him. In the name of their patriarchal gods, rape is an honorable thing. I think you better check your history. China has known a couple of stretches of a century or more of relative peace. Also true in SE Asia. Certainly, the history of Asia is infinitely less violent than the west. I am Greek, by the way, and very proud of my ancestors, especially the woman. Their cooking!!!! Artists they are!!! As a Greek, I have to look at what went wrong. And what we inherited from them. The temple of Zeus at Olympia was painted red, white and blue.

[@lespil2253]

You are entitled to believe what you want, Alexander wasn't a saint, obviously, he killed people, and he burned cities, because that's what people used to do in war periods. He's not less violent than the Mongols, or the Arabs, or the Persians. I don't understand why you're so passionate about how cruel he was and you don't see all the rest, Again, Asia more peaceful ? I don't know about that, They had started the empire game way before Greece, so what exactly do you mean ? They didn't built the Alexandrian Library, did they ?

[@Itsatz0]

@@lespil2253 I see the rest. Ghengis Khan especially. Our capitol building is a Greek temple of sorts. Democracy is a Greek invention. Our subliminal thought processes, in western civ, are inherited from the Greeks. (Read Shinoda Bolen's 2 books, "The Gods in Everyman," and, "The Goddesses in Everywoman.") That's why I focus on the Greeks.

[@senefelder]

I have been to Aigina. It’s a convenient day excursion from Athens. The temple of Aphaia is marvelous. Pity that the pedimental sculptures are in Munich

[@ImprobableMatter]

I'm watching yet another @ThersitestheHistorian video ( this particular one from 23:03 ) that says something so profound it made my jaw drop. A state backing a fifth column and promoting an outsider political party within another state has apparently been happening for millennia. Spelling it out for me in that modern language is *chef's kiss*.

[@iraklisvelaoras8335]

I am from Aegina !great video!!!

[@tacocruiser4238]

I'm planning to contribute on Patreon but I haven't gotten around to it yet. You deserve to be compensated for all this hard work. I really appreciate these videos. Google/KZbinwill screw you the first chance it gets....

[@redcapetimetraveler7688]

36:24 the 30 talents expected by Athens as a tribut from Aigina should have corresponded to the 30 ships fleet ( if the cost for building a boat was the same than in Athens ; Themistocles had adviced to the Athnenians to invest the production of silver's mines of the Laurion into the fleet : 100 talents = 100 ships). so herodotus seems pretty coherent.

[@ThersitestheHistorian]

True, and it is possible that the Athenians assessed 30 talents in memory of the 30 triremes that the Aigenetans furnished at Salamis.

[@boysenberrydracula3599]

Thank you for your work Tehersites 👍

[@supersasquatch]

Aigina was located close to Einis!

[@Laocoon283]

Noice

[@bensantos3882]

When will you talk about mythological creatures of Antiquity sir? A lot of other science/ history/ European channels are now making videos about them. I will say most are biased that they never existed but some are polite enough to just bring up the subject. I find it fascinating hearing the origins of the Centaur, Grass Man, Enkidu, Griffin and most of all connected to your channels topics the Cynocephalae or dog headed men. Apparently there were tales of them fighting against Alexander in the battle of Galgamela. Even Diocletian had an edict asking to find them and give a reward to see these dog headed men.

[@JeshuaZBG]

Thank you

[@mirceaserban2471]

Been on the island for vacation, nice experience.

[@Laocoon283]

The perimeter of the island is almost exactly 26 miles. It would amazing to set up a marathon race going around it.

[@Borep_Yano]

wait... how did Aiakos come to have 3 sons? Are they implying that either 1) his mother was still alive, or that 2) he got busy with the ant people? Because 1) ewwww; and 2) was it the queen ant, if it wasn't the queen ant then I have some shocking news for Aiskos - someone lied to his, those are not his sons, only queen ant was fertile. I demand the ancient greeks answer my questions!

[@ThersitestheHistorian]

LOL. I think that once the dragon's teeth, ants and other creatures and objects were made human, they were just fully human with no residual features. The Athenians claimed that their earliest ancestors had the lower bodies of snakes, which raises a lot of issues about their genitalia.

[@rovanderby759]

There's another version of the myth in which Oinone was already inhabited when Zeus took Aigina there. But after Aiakos had become king, the island was plagued by drought and an infestation of snakes, depopulating the kingdom (the wrath of Hera, of course!) and only then did Aiakos pray to Zeus to give him new people. So he probably had a wife and sons already before this happened.

[@CDH4189]

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[@Ventada]

Aegeans not Aegentan

[@Itsatz0]

Jeez, pay some attention to your pronunciation, will ya? Sounds like you are saying, "Vagina is dead center in the Saronic Gulf!" It's not Vagina! It's ay-gee-na! Accent on the last syllable. (Maybe you committed a freudian slip?) This vid is X rated.

[@Evan102030]

Actually the accent is on the first syllable. èhhh ghee na.

[@Itsatz0]

@@Evan102030 Thx.