Unburdened By What Has Been: 2024 Election Postmortem

[@CyrodiilCome]

The day she took a recommendation from the Cheney's was the day she completely lost lmao

[@Therealbkbk2019]

Everyone seems to forget, she got picked is because she checked a couple boxes.

[@camerongrey3643]

Speaking here as someone who begrudgingly voted for Harris, just as I begrudgingly voted for Clinton and Biden in the past two elections … There is a lot of stuff that’s spot on in here, but there’s something large that you didn’t really speak to here because I suspect you underestimate the impact: the left has been losing the culture war badly for the last four years. You are correct that keying into the zeitgeist matters, and progressive positions on a variety of social issues proved extremely unpopular this year. The progressive criminal justice reformers got smashed this election cycle. Many of the progressive DAs on the west coast lost their races. I’ll talk about California because I think it was the most striking rejection. Gascon lost in LA to a Republican by more than 20 points. Pamela Price is out. Prop 36, repealing the 2014 Prop 47, won in literally every single county. Hell, even Prop 6 looks like it’s going to fail because it has the stink of progressive policy. Violent crime has been elevated in many blue cities across the country, and people being disillusioned by that probably contributed to some of the red shift (or low blue turnout) we saw. The far left position on immigration has been that borders are essentially racist and that anyone who wants to come to the US has a right to come. Trump cynically torpedoed the border bill that the Biden administration cynically waited three and a half years to try to enact, and unsurprisingly voters decided that the current administration bears the blame. Democrats seemed to take minority voters for granted without going much further than calling Republicans racist. It was not an effective strategy. LGBT issues - well more specifically trans issues - are a poison pill for Democrats just as abortion issues are a poison pill for Republicans. Most of the country rejects the notion that someone is something because they claim to be, that trans women should be included in women’s sports, and they have serious doubts about medical transition for young people. This issue cooled off during the election itself, but it definitely culturally shifted people away from the left during 2022 and 2023. I say that these issues are likely a poison pill because, as you note, they may galvanize a segment of the base, but they are unpopular among the broad electorate. But the biggest issue that the Harris campaign had, and that frankly Democrats have had for a couple decades, is that they have literally no message to men - particularly young men. In the US, women have better longevity, better college access than when Title IX went into effect, better economic outcomes (before children), etc, yet every election cycle the only sex-based policy that Democrats seem to care about is reproductive rights. The Harris campaign even decided it was a good idea to imply that not voting for her was misogynistic. Meanwhile, Trump actually had effective outreach through both his own appearances on heavily male-skewing outlets (his Joe Rogan episode for instance has nearly 50m KZbin views) and through his that of his proxies. I agree that refocusing on workers’ issues and economic policy would behoove the Democrats, but I have serious doubts about the social side.

[@justmoritz]

Look man, please don't take this the wrong way, but they had plenty of messaging for men, young men, white men, black men etc. The thing is that you guys are literally the default. You are so the default, you don't even realize you are and when someone, anyone, speaks about someone else you go "what about me??" But I get it, you want to be coddled, told you're special. I think we all do.

[@sethbecker7162]

That’s one of the best KZbin comments I’ve ever read. Thank you for that.

[@laisphinto6372]

Its pretty sad that I See a good left leaning Take in a comment instead in the Video Like seriously the constant need of bashing Trump of him being somehow a tyrant instead of focusing why people Like him and why people rather Pick a "Tyrant" than the democrats. AS a rightwing Guy i say the biggest Supporter for trumps win was Always the democrats themselves that way too focused ON bashing him and giving No solutions besides "im Not Trump". Like you also a few people WHO call themselves rightwing even though they are actually leftleaning in Heart because they we're so alienated by the democrats. And the whole woke stuff IS my god absolutely Tone deaf and outright insulting to any minority they try to Appeal to . I am black man but i dont think and ACT 24/7 i am black and i Talk black etc. Their attempts to Appeal to US IS some of the Most stereotypically racist Shit i have Seen IT gets especially disgusting when you dont fit exactly the Box at least a rightwing racist IS honest and Not sneaky talking down Like WE are some Babies. Even though the two Party State IS very hard to remove the leftists that hate the Establishment democrats should Form their own Party because at this Point If they democrats dont course correct they are enough people to make that Happen.

[@EireHammer]

This is an outstanding and succinct summary of the situation and issues!!! Cheers for it!

[@iceyardfan4394]

"Trump waa too toxic, too incoherent," You'll never understand why you lost, and lost so completely.

[@floridaman3823]

The first time home buyer subsidy simply bids up home prices. Australia and Canada did so and found out.

[@alhayes89]

You would think it’s common sense. Sounds nice though😂

[@Murrdogg]

No first time buyer subsidy in Canada, bud. What you can do is use part of your rrsp’s as a down payment, but you need to have them in the first place.

[@owim]

@@Murrdogg wat the heck my nick names murrdawg

[@CyrodiilCome]

Man being called an animal with plumbing sure turned me into a republican real quick

[@jake_from_state7143]

20:39, It’s amazing to me that some people are still finding out “it’s the economy, stupid”

[@Miceman_Bonanza]

I almost wrote that myself, americans finding this in 2024 is so funny, anywhere in the World is quite obvious that the most important thing for the small people is the economy bar none. Maybe this kinda of wisdom is a virtue for only those that have overcome adversity.

[@jake_from_state7143]

@@Miceman_Bonanza As someone who once went to college for a poly sci degree before I dropped out, it’s crazy the logical reaches people will make to justify why some small shift in x voting demographics happened in some arbitrary vacuum when all you have to do is just go to the place ask people on the street, “how’s life going right now?”

[@dws0828]

Those tariffs gonna hit different

[@JonBrownSherman]

That doesn't necessarily mean the other side will be any better. The last 2 years only had 4% inflation, which is a good rate. The economy is going to get sooo much worse under Trump, especially from the perspective of the non-wealthy.

[@deanbraden7695]

It’s the economy for the stupid masses who want to government controlling the resources

[@oraz.]

Problem for Kamala is she's a living testament to the party's undemocratic behavior. Skipping the primary, selecting her in the first place, and more importantly intervening in the last primary to subvert the leader after the caucuses in favor of a candidate with poorly kept secret of severe cognitive decline. Of course you could go back to 2016 too. She's a testament to everything about the party people rightfully mistrust, the most entrenched political bloc I can personally think of. Only thing I would disagree with is that the female derision toward men is understated here. Talking about male loneliness is a tepid theme that's been adopted now out of convenience since theorizing out internal syndromes that might be afflicting men is more convenient and flattering to the feminist consensus than talking about external issues that uniquely affect men, which includes real discrimination on behalf of the educated women that the party doubled down on siding with antagonistically.

[@sakonthos]

The primary wasn't skipped. There were few challengers which is typical during incumbency, and that gave the impression to some that it was undemocratic to not hold an entirely new primary when he was forced to pass on the torch to his running mate. The reality is that there wasn't any time to have a new primary at that point, and it would have been a struggle session if they decided to have debates just to air out all the dirty laundry of the candidates right before sending them into the flames of Republican attacks. The real mistake is Biden's choice of running mate, and then his decision to go for two terms instead of one. I'm not sure what discrimination you're talking about that the Democrats supposedly supported.

[@oraz.]

@sakonthos 😅

[@gaulicwarlord]

Agreed. I'd argue sexism towards males starts from childhood, constant positive reinforcement for girls while boys only get punished. That being said, the amount of young women on antidepressants has skyrocketed in recent years. This whole system that's been constructed is just deeply inhuman and not well suited for the vast majority of people.

[@BraveGisgo]

This is the most deranged and disingenuous framed take I've ever seen. The point of the vp is to be the back up president. Whereas her opponent literally, LITERALLY sent fake electoral delegates to steal the election, not to mention sending a mob to hang his vp for not going along with his treasonous scheme. I hope no one is fooled by this nonsensical comment

[@ir7358]

Was there really time for a primary? Kamala already barely had time to campaign.

[@chicken-vb1xr]

Thersites, do you believe that some of the MAGA talking points have no merit? The big ones that resonated with me were freedom of speech, immigration and voter IDs. As a layman to politics (and history), my perception of the situation was that democrats were hell bent on stifling free speech (especially on social media), supportive or indifferent to the 10s of millions of illegals flooding the country (impacting the cost of labor-benefiting only the rich) and the most insane one being not needing voter ID (which I still can’t comprehend without jumping into racist jargon like “black people are too dumb to get ID…”). I’m Canadian but I would have voted for Trump based off of those points alone if I was born south of the border. Am I just stupid? I value yours, and your friend’s perspectives on politics, despite coming to a different conclusion and I would love to hear how I might have been duped along the way or am missing something, rather than dig into an echo chamber. Cheers

[@FinnMobber]

I like Thersites videos but i thought this one wasnt great. I'm not American so i didn't care about the election at all until I heard Donald trump went on joe Rogan, and ngl i watched it because i thought it would be funny but Trump actually came off as sensible and i went on to watch all his podcast appearances. Thersites talks about Trump being old and Feeble and makes him out to be equivalent to joe biden which is crazy. Meanwhile Democrat politicians have talked about how the 1st amendment is an obstacle that gets in the way of them censoring speech they dont like, which is insane to me.

[@crackshack2]

@@FinnMobberTrump weak and feeble? He dodged a bullet while Kamala dodged questions about her policies!!!!!

[@pigolympus1086]

I hope you read this because based on your comment you seem more willing to hear other perspectives than most. I think the most telling part of your comment was your emphasis on “free speech” as one of the most important factors that drives your opinion toward trump. I would like to invite you to think about how exactly the Democratic Party is stifling free speech in any way. You mentioned social media for instance. Social media and their censorship rules are operated entirely by private corporations. If you disagree with their censorship rules, fine, but I do not see what that has to do with the election. Besides, many social medias such as Facebook and especially X have a significant right wing presence that is amplified, not censored. In reality, the threat to free speech is simply a talking point brought up by the right as an unfortunately effective way of fear mongering. This works because the left is associated with tolerance, and is likely to find intolerance such as racism and homophobia to be unacceptable. This makes bigots feel like they are being silenced and censored, when they are in fact, not. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I am not saying you are a bigot, but I do believe that you fell for propaganda created by bigots to make you fearful that your rights are being infringed. This is exactly what this propaganda is designed to do and it is incredibly effective, understandably since nobody wants their rights infringed.

[@CyrodiilCome]

This comes off incredibly jaded and angry not objective at all.

[@daniellazaro3591]

Big fan of the channel and while I enjoyed this video I think your unwillingness to mention illegal immigration as a pivotal factor this election shows either a hesitancy to have a serious conversation about a real but slightly taboo issue for left wing people to bring up or maybe you just having blinders on about it. At the end of the day Biden allowing the borders to mostly mean nothing during his presidency was something both white and Latino voters did care about a lot, and as someone who says and I think does believe in helping working class people it’s an issue that effects us a lot especially in the material sense as it undercuts our wages and in some extreme cases vastly transforms where we live into a place where we feel like an outsider in our own hometown. I hope this doesn’t come across as too combative as I’ve been a fan of the channel for years and I just wanted to give a well intentioned critique.

[@eminentbishop1325]

Honestly this critique says more about you than it does about the voters

[@daniellazaro3591]

@@eminentbishop1325let me guess this says I’m some sort of unrepentant bigot who needs to be educated by an enlightened leftist like you on how mass immigration is something that’s good for working people and even if it isn’t we deserve to be punished for the “crimes” of my ancestors.

[@deeznoots6241]

More americans are in favour of giving all illegal immigrants citizenship than deporting them all. Of course those americans have no reason to vote because both parties are pushing for deportations, and if you want deportations you go for Trump because he’s promising more.

[@daniellazaro3591]

@@eminentbishop1325yeah it says I know what people actually care about, thank you

[@RainerRilke3]

Ban on immigration is just a bandaid fix. If your plan is to decrease the supply of workers in lieu of actually creating more jobs, renationalizing manufacturing industry etc. You're just admitting you want your own electorate to take the place of those illegal immigrants. Like if people actually knew just how shitty and underpaid those jobs that "the migrants are taking from us" are, they wouldn't be clamoring polticians to facilitate access to them. The free market just refuses to pay decent salaries for those kinda jobs and no immigration policy will ever change that.

[@charlesmartinez5869]

The sheer lack of self awareness on display is staggering. Saying Trump was exhausted and pulling back from events is categorically and obviously false. That's like taking a swipe like "Trump is actually short, not a tall man." As if that people can't see it for themselves. All for an insubstial swipe. To successy jab, you first need to be in the correct ring.

[@Superstumpgrinder64]

"I should have followed my marxist/materialist instincts" Its always a "shouldve had a v8" kind of moment.

[@seanchick5918]

Unless it is V8 in Ninja III. Wait maybe that is a good idea...

[@JohnJohnson-du7vc]

The difference is that V8 at least has something good in it. This and most other left-leaning post-mortems is hilariously off-target because the Western Left has let objectivity slip away completely. It used to be our strong point. As a "left Centrist", I'll "shut up now" and continue voting Dem while you morons keep flushing it down the toilet.

[@duneovid]

The people who didn’t see the election results coming should probably get out more.

[@Ligierthegreensun]

Funny since that was what you all were screeching for four years, and yet millions more voted for Biden than your orange guy in 2020.

[@duneovid]

‘You all’ - you know nothing of me and my politics.

[@Ligierthegreensun]

@@duneovid you’re transparent, bud.

[@DominatorGarage]

unironically I figured it would be super close. In KY (somehow) signs are everywhere for both candidates. more Kamala than trump around Louisville, Elizabethtown, Bardstown, Lexington, Frankfurt etc. I voted for trump. I would have voted RFK.

[@DominatorGarage]

@@Ligierthegreensun funny that that turn out of voters this time is record setting, but somehow there was a ton more votes in 2020??

[@willa6613]

I find it crazy for people to both admonish trump for insane spending, but then play down the biden administration's **2X+** spending over the last administration.

[@EvilSmonker]

While I may not always agree with you politically, I will always respect what you have to say. Love your content!

[@chadisnotachad]

"the economy has been mediocre." Such horrific dishonesty. People cannot afford groceries or rent and the rich keep getting richer. The lockdowns and closing of small businesses during the pandemic lead to one of, if not the largest transfer of wealth to the upper class that we've ever seen while inflation destroyed our savings.

[@Tijjain]

None of which is Biden's fault. And the US leads the rest of the world in controlling inflation. His point being, it could've been much worse.

[@Miceman_Bonanza]

@@Tijjain The War in Ukraine didn't help it either

[@leoborros]

He's an ivory tower elitist

[@Avalozir]

Electing a convicted felon that promises a trade war is not going to help your grocery bill that much.

[@papageitaucher618]

Calling it bad right now would leave us running out of attributes in the following years.

[@CyrodiilCome]

You skipped over the joe rogan podcast that got 1.2 million views an hour. Feel like that was an important part of the campaign you glossed over.

[@crackshack2]

And the fact Harris didn’t make an effort to appear on Joe Rogan. Except demand special accomodations. The truth is the democrat candidate sucked and was worse then the republican one. And I’m a moderate. Stop being a bunch of useful idiots for the elites and start being objective americans. Its more pathetic when ‘educated’ folks become so dogmatic and partisan. Disregarding all moral ethic values. People wonder why so many lose faith in academia and call it brainwashing these days.

[@herbertpocket8855]

Came here for the Roman Empire stuff, stayed for the commentary.

[@RiteKnight]

Derek listen to me, listen. Now you might have been another agent sent out there to help shepherd opinion to the 'correct' viewpoints on things, but I'm betting that in fact you're just another guy looking for answers like the rest of us. If the latter, I beseech you, put aside some time and just think about everything. Don't harden the old heart / become bitter about the situation. I leave you with one other thought. There were some people out there that went to bed that night deeply worried that H/W was gonna win and when they woke up the next day and saw the complete opposite, they didn't cheer or gloat, but they felt as if something was taken off their shoulders and maybe, inwardly, cried tears of joy. If you can start to understand the feelings of those people, you're on the path to something higher.

[@thewhowhatwherewhyho]

man....Thersites justs wants universal healthcare, the uplifting of the working class and less money/corruption in politics.

[@MikeMike-gy6xp]

I feel you on delving into history to feel a future. It's starting to kill me though. All these great efforts made, battles fought, rice paddies dug are starting to depress me. Seeing the immense labor of humanity across all time ultimately just existing in the end so that a couple hundred wealthy people can live 10 years longer, and at the cost of this beautiful world we all live on.

[@cday131]

The obvious bias is discrediting.

[@dirremoire]

Bias? Agree or disagree, the man's entitled to his opinion.

[@cday131]

@@dirremoire It really isn't worth a damn if it's so obviously skewed to one side. I enjoy his content when it's based on finite ancient sources and not contemporary cnn narratives.

[@nordan00]

Kamala’s mother never said that “unburdened” line, dude! 😂 Just like young Kamala never uttered the word, “fweedom!” She was the most authentically inauthentic candidate we’ve had in our lifetimes. She was the classic exemplar of the midwit that magically failed upward her entire life! She was the “Being There” candidate, spouting nonsense that her desperate supporters tried to fashion into pearls of wisdom. Dude, she was an atrocious candidate, and that was readily apparent to most of us in the middle. Does Trump say a lot of dumb, juvenile shit? Yes he does. Do I have a great deal of confidence in his governing abilities? Not really. But we have his four years as president to compare to the last four years. And in my 63 years, never have I lived through a four year stretch where the negative consequences of a president’s/party’s policies were so starkly apparent.

[@seanbeadles7421]

Lmao he calls her a crap candidate did you watch the video. Any I really dislike Biden/Harris but I’m curious what policy of theirs “ruined” the country? They did absolutely nothing of note. Are you like implying they *caused* the trend of global inflation rather than did nothing about it?

[@LARRYTHEWIRELESSGUY]

@@nordan00 I seen a lot people say she ran one of the best campaigns in in years. No doubt joe biden threw her to the wolves, but even with all of legacy media , Hollywood , a billion dollars and of course most importantly Beyoncé …she lost horribly. The worst thing democrats can do right now is refuse to understand why that was. A Bernie really hit it on the head by saying the democrats abandoned the working class

[@mikemayerchak6617]

I saw a lot of people say she ran one of the best campaigns in years. No doubt Joe Biden threw her to the wolves, but even with all the legacy media, Hollywood, a billion dollars and of course most importantly Beyonce.... she lost horribly. The worst thing Democrats can do right now is refuse to understand why that was. Bernie really hit it on the head when he said the Democrats abandoned the working class. Also Walz was a terrible choice

[@HolyAlric]

...didn't Trump botch COVID... Like horribly?

[@alexg5092]

​@@HolyAlricwhat did he do that was different from the Biden? Biden got elected and it felt like COVID magically was over shortly after the fact. Nothing to see here folks, get back to work!

[@Dgoc813]

A good video, as always, but I predict many of us will be disappointed by your failure to give any credit to the republican campaign/platform, or cultural issues. I think this is part of why so many of the comments on the prediction video took a smug tone. While I also think that the economy was the largest factor, I think the Democratic messaging about inflation and the border - to deny it existed, or insult you for worrying about it, for 2 years, before pivoting and 180 degrees - is emblematic of the issue that many voters have with the democrats.

[@kylechafin1419]

Is this a satire?

[@treypeters1087]

While I dont agree with you, I respect you and appreciate all of the efforts you have made for us who live history. Hail Thersites

[@leoborros]

Exile thersites!

[@pbh81]

Well I for one didn't want a post election stream as I suspected it would be a shitting on Trump stream. And I don't want a Biden stream for at least 2 years as I like to see more information come out about his term before you dissect it. And I probably won't watch the trump cabinet stream as it will 3 people shitting on trump and agreeing with themselves about how right they are after losing by 6 million votes

[@joshuacampbell1625]

I like how you guys won the election and your still crying

[@yungyahweh]

Lol ok dude. Trump is a dumbass and you don't like it when the facts are stated apparently. Trump still got less votes than last time. It's just that Kamala just got way less votes.

[@jauntyjaun]

I'm from Poland and I had a bet with a friend about the US election (when Biden dropped out). I bet on Trump mainly because of the overwhelming pessimism that is noticable everywhere in American internet and media on both sides of political spectrum, I think that your diagnosis is on point

[@christopherevans2445]

What could the dems have done better ? "Nothing comes to mind"

[@chrislusk3497]

Thersites: please stick to history.

[@Therealbkbk2019]

She was the biggest DEI hire of them all!

[@Primetiime32]

Whoa . This is a special occasion. Thanks for the update

[@gabrieldavis2795]

I like listening to Thersites views on politics. It sometimes causes an emotional response but it’s political opinion. I’ve been a subscriber for a long time and if his views all of a sudden freak you out then you’ve not researched the channel deep enough. Some of the views are a little mainstream media but I really like the content. Gives me views I don’t have and reconnects me to the left. The middle path is the way. Thersites don’t take the “unsubscribed” comments as gospel, you’re doing great.

[@Nidhogg562]

I agree that the economy was one of the main factors in this election leading to the results we got. I think that a particular dynamic in this election goes under appreciated by most, that is, this election seems to be viewed by many as establishment vs Trump. This dynamic was harshly reinforced with Kamala allying herself with the neocons like Cheney. Thus, the part Kamala played was actually quite small. The rejection of her and acceptance of Trump was more a rejection of the policies of the political elite. So, Kamala and other democrats sought to once again make this a referendum on Trump but, much like the 2016 election, it also became a referendum on the political establishment. Though I think I am likely much more conservative than you when it comes to economics, I would also agree that if the Democrats want to make headway, they need to reorient how they go about their cultural politics and provide a greater emphasis on working class issues. As you said, they’ll also need to be careful not to drive away votes such as in the LGBTQ community while doing this. Unfortunately, I fully expect the democratic elite to double down and refuse to make adjustments. I think that’s where there incentives lie at this point in time. People like Bernie calling for change within the party will be further ostracized. I’ve been wrong before though, should be interesting to see what happens.

[@arthurmiranda8896]

Almost all cultures in human history become more purist when they start to decline. They will probably paint the loss as not being radical/incisive/annoying/aggressive enough, alienating the public even more.

[@papageitaucher618]

Thersites you are not a left winger and I mean that in the best way possible.

[@anthonykelly1368]

Keep up with the historical analysis You’re too emotionally invested to do clear eyed analysis of current politics

[@laisphinto6372]

I didnt know He was a Leftist from His Roman Historical Videos and hopefully He keeps IT Up because i seriously dont want another Channel talking about Roman politics in the middle ranting about American Politics, Like so many Other Channels that cannot fathom that Not everything has to include modern American Politics.

[@tylerhampton1]

Ohh my guy, it’s amazing how childish you sound talking about Trump.

[@zachbeech4125]

I like your history videos but this seems like a lessons not learned video.

[@roach590]

Why? I think he was mostly right

[@zachbeech4125]

@roach590 that's fine.

[@Abd121]

it's the opposite, the dem are "lessons not learned" thet keep trying to do the same thing every elections and failing or barely not failing. Kamala failed because the DNC insisted on brining back the 2016 playbook and probably still thinks hillary campagin was great it's everyone else fault for not getting it!

[@wildman1978101]

@@zachbeech4125 Its takes like this that are the reason Trump won. He really needs to look in the mirror.

[@sullafelix649]

@@roach590 He shows clear disdain and derision for the American voter, and so did the democrats. That's one of the reasons why the democrats lost, and their reaction to Trump's victory shows that they haven't learned, and probably won't. Many pundits talked about sexism, misogyny, or racism from Latinos and black men for reasons the democrats lost, this will only serve to drive them further into the republican camp. I'm glad Trump won, so I'm fine if they don't learn the proper lessons, continue to push leftist politics, and keep losing.

[@KRISTIANITY_]

Oh I'd been waiting for this!

[@freealter]

Really interesting to get a deeper view into your politics!

[@thekinghass]

I mean the fact America is one party dictatorship with two faces always amazes me when they talks about democracy. Because of course democracy means choosing between two people who most of the country doesn’t know or like

[@michael1699]

Re: money in politics, I have good news! The winning team spent 1/5th what the losing team did. Power to the people!

[@jonny-b4954]

It was still bought and paid for primarily by special interests and corps. Musk, who's companies only really exist due to government contracts and carbon credits (That's how Tesla makes nearly all its profit) is now best buds with the POTUS. Kind of a blatant conflict of interest.

[@Ligierthegreensun]

It’s cute that you can make stuff up.

[@stoferb876]

As a non-american just having learned about what a lot of what an american political campaign is all about: Basically pestering their supposed potential voters with mails, texts, pamphlets and calls to further beg money from them in order to pay for annoying commercials on TV. This is insane to me. If any political party begged money from me in my country they would guarantee me NOT voting for them. It seems insane this is considered campaigning in the US, it's no wonder at all if many people decide not to vote.

[@seanbeadles7421]

“We only spent 300 million, therefore money is out of politics” lmaoooo

[@michael1699]

@ Keep seething. You know and I know if the Dem won with that financial disparity, the NYT (and Thersites) would hail him as savior of the people

[@Alf9393]

I been listening to this channel for 4 or 5 years now and this video was not the move. The tone is incredibly off putting and just felt bad. I’m not sure what the point of making this video was or who it was aimed at. Real weird

[@demonte1600]

As a Midwestern black man waltz does not appeal to me. Respect strength and there’s nothing about that man that is strong.

[@cnote6923]

If Democrats dropped open-borders immigration, identity politics, and unconstitutional gun control from the party platform, they would appeal to a lot more people. As it stands now I could never vote for them.

[@MineShackle]

Give me one example of them employing identity politics

[@matthewschmidt5069]

@@MineShackle Kamala Harris- black woman who has done absolutely nothing.

[@crackshack2]

@@MineShackleor how about if youre a married woman particularlly a married white woman, if you dont vote democrat then youre a case example of the handmaidens tale which equates you as a slave to your husband.

[@jessesizemore2934]

As simply American I attest to this. The Democrats lost me when they started advocating killing babies, cutting dicks off, and openly supporting unconstitutional gun control (all gun control is unconstitutional). I guess I've just outgrown the democratic party.

[@matthewschmidt5069]

@@MineShackle Kamala LOL

[@pelagiuslobo5474]

As a Trump voter not supporter, still got the signed hat. Your commentary is insightful and appreciated in ensuring clarity regardless of our idealogical differences due to your integrity.

[@MineShackle]

If you’re a Trump voter you support him… are you stupid (I already know the answer to that question)

[@damienpace7350]

"The election went rather differently than I expected" Maybe she can still win Iowa right?

[@ClumpyLemons]

Has any government in history managed to keep money out of politics?

[@theredtechnician]

Not completely, although liberal democracy is the worst government form for it.

[@usurparemagnus]

@@theredtechnicianman, I have to disagree with you on that. The implication of your statement is literally that authoritarianism and autocracies are less corrupt than liberal democracies

[@gaulicwarlord]

The Soviets sort of did, but money was replaced by access to commodities and favors, as well as getting to cut the line when it came to waitlists for things such as motor vehicles.

[@deeznoots6241]

I mean local tribal politics have managed it, though that’s more due to a lack of currency even existing and operating on barter systems that don’t scale well to thousands of people

[@deeznoots6241]

@@gaulicwarlordthe Soviets still had currency

[@TrajGreekFire]

Sean was correct, Michael wasn't

[@Свободадляроссии]

Both takes weren't bad. It takes Sean level pessimism to think that Americans wouldn't care about treason or fascism

[@joshuacampbell1625]

You seem to forget Sean predicted a narrow Haris win, like they all did.

[@daniellazaro3591]

@@joshuacampbell1625which is odd because I remember a stream a month or two before where he said he thought Trump would win

[@joshuacampbell1625]

​@@daniellazaro3591exactly. He's not nearly as consistent as these people like to claim he is. He was wrong about the midterms as well, and he's been consistently wrong in his foreign policy takes, even though he tries to obfuscate that fact. I find Sean and his takes useful, but he ain't a prophet.

[@geesixnine]

Sean is more correct on political issues than Thersites. However, he's held back by the Biases pushed on him.

[@diegomagellan]

I missed you my guy. Nice to see you on my feed.

[@PheonixRising2988]

What aspects of Trump's policies are fascistic in nature?

[@leoborros]

Everything his distorted view of real life sees as wrong

[@olso8621]

@@leoborrosyoure delusional

[@HolyAlric]

Well saying he wants to use the military on enemies within was pretty fascist

[@yungyahweh]

He doesn't like free speech, he wants to use the military on his political enemies, he's super nationalistic, he's super militaristic, there's a cult of personality around him, his policies surrounding immigrants and immigration, him wanting to revoke people's citizenship, him saying he wants to suspend the constitution, him wanting a nationwide abortion ban and wanting to strip women of rights, I mean there's so much more.

[@PheonixRising2988]

@@HolyAlric What constitutes an enemy within? I reckon some people like the drug cartels and organized crime would fall under that category.

[@SentMyOwnWay]

Trump is a symbol. How you interpret it is up to you.

[@CarlinWeberCarlin00]

To America he’s a hero and a great man, but in reality he’s just another Jewish slave, shilling for our controllers

[@sandrob.7232]

A "symbol" that exists in physical reality and does have the power to take decisions and make things happen. Decisions that will most likely hurt the majority of people. And the planet's future. Fascism is a real thing unfortunately, not just an abstract idea. Sorry if I misinterpreted your comment though. A figure like Trump, clearly acting out of deep-rooted psychological problems like narcissism and "daddy issues", cannot be relativized, it is just objectively wrong.

[@needparalegal]

Trump is a revolution without all the blood.

[@diegomagellan]

Exactly.

[@HolyAlric]

... How did you let a politician become a symbol?

[@cork533]

Trump president buddy!! Welcome to trump country.

[@leoborros]

I hope he cries a lot

[@julieu9692]

“Alas, I rarely get what I want.” I love you Thersites!!

[@legtendgav556]

>Marxist-Materialist instincts wow I wonder why you struggle to understand Americans

[@MatthewsGauss]

He also thinks halo 3 is c tier

[@equalopportunityoffender1816]

Tell me you don't know what materialism is without telling me. It's funny how many rightoids immediately assume "Marx bad" and immediately dismiss everything someone says, despite Thersites making all the right points following that quote.

[@christianhagberg5417]

​@equalopportunityoffender1816 well he did specifically say "Marxist" materialist, not materialist. Materism has only a superficial connection to people's actual material conditions, it pays lip service to the idea and then spends all of its energy inferring grand social dynamics. Looking at the world through the materialistic lens led to many of the greatest horrors in history. while it can be a useful tool in some fields and contexts, it inevitably leads too us(good) them(evil) perspectives in politics, because it spins the imperfect nature of man and the world as intentional. Nothing productive comes of it, and in the extreme cases it leads to mass tragedy.

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

​@@MatthewsGaussHalo 3 C tier now that is truly unforgiveable. Trump is like Master Chief in that he is like most politicians but none are as lucky as he is.

[@TrajGreekFire]

@@MatthewsGauss I can get behind that from the story perspective and that awful Cortana level

[@maxhistory2000]

Thanks, appreciate your insights and feel the same way about this

[@jessesizemore2934]

Thersitese, nothing but love and respect for what you do. That being said, I don't know if you're just too smart, jaded, or delusional, vut you missed the mark. You glazed over bidens fall, mentioned nothing of the attempted assassination that could of completely been coincidental with Bidens stepping down. They were and are all terrible choices, but there has clearly been a split with the Democrats and Americans couldn't see voting for a party that has turned their back on America.

[@dznqbit]

Go off, sir.

[@adminholly]

Thanks thersites very thought provoking stuff. I feel like my ‘take’ on how this country should be ran is unwanted by both parties. This video helped me organize my scattered opinions. now I would also like to listen to Roman’s and Greeks from ancient times.

[@dhu1919]

I'd love to see a video of you talking about the brothers Gracchi and how they'd compare to Bernie Sanders or other left populists.

[@ThersitestheHistorian]

I will definitely cover the Gracchi at some point. Given that the Gracchi are grandsons of Scipio Africanus, I have also considered comparing them to FDR and the Kennedy brothers due to the status similarity.

[@connoravila5332]

I was waiting for this, what a ride lol.

[@HugoB1]

Dude please stop. You're really out of touch...

[@nictamer]

I'm not an American, just a European who used to vote left up until ~10 years ago. As such I'm not going to pretend I know what happened here, but I can share my perspective and maybe potential US voters feel the same way, you decide. I've stopped voting left for a number of reasons, and the chief one is the LGBTBBQ nonsense. I've always been in favor of homosexuals' rights, on a liberal "you do you" basis. That was the issue then, and it's been mostly achieved IN THE GLOBAL WEST, but now the issue has become "misgendering," "microaggressions," and to top it off, "trans kids." It used to be the conservative right who would complain about video games and explicit lyrics corrupting our youth, and they would try and censor art in general. Now, the same type of people is on the left and doing the same moralising nonsense in the name of diversity-equity-inclusion. I just hate moralising, and I doubt I'm alone. I could go on, there are other issues where progressivism is going insane (science in general, global warming in particular) but let me keep this brief: if you think losing the vote of 0.01% of people who think "trans kids" as a concept is not completely batshit insane is more important than losing the vote of normal people, you're rightfully going to lose more elections. I don't like Trump, he's gross, he's incoherent, I fear for Ukraine and other issues, but I can't lie and say I'm not feeling gleeful watching terminally online leftists melt down on Reddit.

[@itsnodawayitustabe5654]

How do you interpret the demographic collision Europe is heading for

[@alhayes89]

Yes! I have voted Democrat down ticket my entire life (35yo) until 2020 and 2024. I have felt the parties completely swapping but for different reasons”moral causes.” I was against the censors that came from the right (video games/media) and now it comes from the left.

[@kalliaslands9938]

Does seem that this has been a common theme. But is “trans kids” really so crazy. We have known for a long time that transgender/transexual people exist. In the past they were considered just mentally ill but more progressive movements have changed this to seeing it as an innate characteristic like being autistic or gay. Probably caused by hormone exposure in utero leading to incomplete brain masculinization/feminization. If it is innate then it doesn’t seem crazy that this tendency would show up in childhood. I don’t really feel like defending the broader uses of the concept or so called “gender abolition.” But I think the backlash against and some of the advocacy for the simple medical concept of transgenderism has more to do with cultural fights over gender rather than a relatively infrequent but often devastating condition.

[@nictamer]

@kalliaslands9938 trans kids is crazy because kids have not, by definition, completed their development. Such heavy medical intervention at a young age is just as much a folly as lobotomy once was.

[@laisphinto6372]

AS a rightleaning Guy i would say in my opinion 10 years the left betrayed pretty much every good Thing about themselves since they became the establishment. Remember Back in ancient when they were the antiwar, anti Establishment, anti coorperations,anti Pharma industry Guys? They Basically became the biggest shills for it and IT Shows how IT really doesnt Matter WHO IS in Charge Nobody wants to throw the Ring into the fire, they Just wanna wield AS their weapon against their enemy. The Most baffling Thing was COVID which I say in my opinion Trump didnt handle that good also with His whole Shilling for vaccines and the democrats Said they wouldnt Take IT ....until they were elected and they went even further Not Just Shilling for IT but also forcing people into IT.

[@osea5000]

Democrats must guard themselves from condescension, Republicans must ward themselves against vulgarity. This applies to you, as much as to public figures.

[@-b-sharp]

Lol at 20 M voters that magically appear and then disappear 4 years later, ok lol

[@BraveGisgo]

Romney got 60m, trump got 74m. Hurr durrr 14m people just appeared????? God you conspiracy theorists have actual brain damage

[@-b-sharp]

@sebjornsprauten1406 D's V's: 2004: 59M 2008: 69M 2012: 65M 2016: 65M 2020: 81M 2024: 64M Total V's: 2004 121M 2008 129M 2012 127M 2016 129M 2020 155M 2024 130M You kinda proved my point. Lol.

[@budwyzer77]

@@BraveGisgo As a man with actual brain damage- the rank-and-file Democrats were NOT EXCITED about this election. The Dems had lower turnout in general as there was no Covid frustration nor any economic platform whatsoever. I voted for her purely for environmental issues. I have no idea what Kamala's campaign was even about despite her somehow spending a billion dollars securing endorsements from P. Diddy's guest list and calling herself a brat. That was weird. I'm not even upset with the Republicans. I'm just done believing the current Democrats are capable of running the global hegemon. Kamala ran a pathetic campaign.

[@-b-sharp]

@@BraveGisgo Romney was less popular than herpes, you sound boosthed.

[@nsk370]

​@@-b-sharpno, not really, he hasn't. When all is said and done, the 2024 elections will have about 5 million less total votes than 2020, with Dems losing about 7 mil and Rep gaining one or two. Meanwhile in 2020 both parties got millions more votes than in 2016. Do you know what is the one simple explanation? Covid and large scale mail voting, which requores much less effort and increased participation. But in any case, without any actual evidence, and in fact none was ever provided, it makes no sense to call the 2020 election, or any other elecrion for that matter, rigged.

[@electricVGC]

You say that humans vote with their wallets innately but most don't vote it is wild

[@TuesdaysDusk1]

Thanks Thersites!!! Appreciate the video!

[@mappotofu2562]

Don't find yourself alienated.Trump is anointed by God and He welcomes all.

[@formacionG13]

MAGA latinos4trump 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@HolyAlric]

You get to go on the front of the train, congratulations

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

​@@HolyAlricWow, you just persuade me to vote JD Vance next election with that statement.

[@HolyAlric]

@@sebastianprimomija8375 some random KZbin is enough to sway you ..

[@CyrodiilCome]

​@@HolyAlricare all Hispanics illegals?

[@bearonaromp7473]

One thing is certainly true about many politicians...they can be quite childish.

[@Charlie-Em]

You're arrogant where you have no right to be, but it's good that you'll go back to doing what you know and leave politics behind for people with better instincts for it.

[@leoborros]

He's an ivory tower kind of pretentious bastard

[@JonBrownSherman]

Way to miss any substance at all in this video.

[@burningsirius]

A leftist ranting about 1st amendment freedoms post 2020 just makes me laugh. As a fellow historian, thank you for the entertaining video. Your attitude toward your countrymen that they are idiots is a winning strategy. Don't change. I hope the left continues to produce more grade A content like this!

[@MarkVrem]

Trump came across as more economically innovative than Harris.

[@geordiejones5618]

The fact that this is true is such a condemnation of this country's poor economic literacy. You have to be so narrow minded or ignorant to think any one president can do anything for or against the economy to any meaningful degree. Policy is not decided by the top seat, nor are global factors that affect the GLOBAL economy (which some seem to think just does not exist). I mean the average American assumes gas prices are affected by elections and that helping the rich will trickle down to the poor like we're running a patron-client system. This country deserves Trump and everything that comes after him.

[@alejandrofrank2717]

@@geordiejones5618 You'd to be ignorant to decide its not influenced from the top either. Subsidies, taxes and tariffs literally are policy that effect the economy. The US has so much economic power that oil is backed by the US dollar, they can literally make or break nations which the US had done many times in the past.

[@sakonthos]

More tariffs. Very innovative. It does work though, but only because people don't generally know they're the ones paying for the tariffs.

[@HolyAlric]

Yeah I guess bankruptcy when you have a casino is pretty innovative

[@yolobuck2553]

@@geordiejones5618 why is this? presidents can have huge impacts on economics. why are trumps tarriffs still being used 4 years after he's out of office? quit insulting people. check yourself

[@caracallaavg]

Kamala would make a solid 5-minute Americans of renown entry

[@zenden6564]

Mate, you're full of it. Time to go back to the drawing board and study Rousseau.

[@itsnodawayitustabe5654]

Walz being an intelligent choice dude, really man?

[@LARRYTHEWIRELESSGUY]

He was terrible . Not even his own county voted for him

[@deeznoots6241]

He was the only presidential/vice-presidential candidate that has a positive approval rating among Americans lol

[@LARRYTHEWIRELESSGUY]

@@deeznoots6241 so favorable that he lost the election and his own county i guess 🤷. Maybe if he wasn’t tied to her

[@deeznoots6241]

@@LARRYTHEWIRELESSGUY yes, Kamala is dead weight just like Biden is, as seen by Dems performing much better than Harris down-ballot Most people don’t actually give a shit about vice presidential choices

[@damienpace7350]

​@@deeznoots6241because no-one knows who he is

[@connorhighland6783]

If you want to win you use your power and authority to give the Common Man the greatest opportunity to live the best lives. Nothing else matters as much as this.

[@bigiron9334]

23:35 you can hear and feel his frustration. Im right there with you

[@leoskiii5860]

I voted of RFK I’m glad Kamala lost and I’m glad it seems Trump will win the popular vote

[@TheKindofTiredSleepCantFix]

Absolutely clownish video

[@C104-k5m]

Arendt provides a fascinating perspective on this. From that viewpoint, the main reason they lost is due to the atomisation and isolation of Americans, combined with economic dowturns She also perfectly predicted that democracy or decency dont matter at all to voters in such a socity. Honestly OoT reads like a less dense version of the Sybeline books

[@yolobuck2553]

i'm going to watch this because i totally watched most of the politcal video you and your buddies did. I really want some of those reactions from those guys who are way out

[@alienmozart9902]

Just putting my thoughts together, but looking back, I "went along" with her reasonable, centrist policies because they were the best option available on my ticket. But, given the apparent lack of concern of the Democratic voters to even get out and vote anymore, I am forced to ask myself why I even care what policies they set forth. In reality, I believe that healthcare should be completely free for everyone, at all times. Also, I believe that education should be completely free for everyone, at all ages. I will no longer allow a centrist party to suppress my natural inclinations in order to get a tiny piece of the pie that has already been pre-sliced for me.

[@JonBrownSherman]

Once again, we live in a country with a 2 party system. Make your voice heard in the primary but not voting for the better candidate the Dems put forward means more Republican garbage and they will try to remove any healthcare assistance and make our schools less funded and worse. You have to be realistic or things will get even worse than they will be for the next 4 years.

[@CyrodiilCome]

Do you think the democratic party is the centrist party?

[@jamesjacobs3753]

I hope the democrats take your advice and don’t shift to the right on social issues. As a republican I like our odds if the other side is advocating for teenage girls to get double mastectomies.

[@TitaniumDragoonNeo]

Yeah, if the left keeps pushing hard for conditionless abortions, it'll definitely make a dent in their stranglehold over much of the population. Maybe also fully flip Latinos to the right too.

[@DieLuftwaffel]

+1 Glad Trump won, big time.

[@flank6349]

Keep Yourself Safe

[@DieLuftwaffel]

@flank6349 Ok.... Thanks, you as well

[@KoenBoyful]

As a European I saw the win of Trump from miles away. When Biden was running to Kamila. Even me as a non-American citizen saw that the people of the US were done with the democrats and their policies. Having said that Thersites seems to not understand this and let his feeling run to much in this video. Overall still a good video. And I love you Roman videos. But still I am happy about the right wing movement going on in the West and the anti woke movement all around the world.

[@jake_from_state7143]

Yeah, that’s been one of the best things to happen lately is that what felt like little wins felt like blips on the map 10 years ago are now starting to feel like a international movement amongst the west as a whole, the movement has gained a tangential form that didn’t exist back in 2016, which is a good thing for right wingers everywhere.

[@Avalozir]

Anybody else than Trump. You say you're European? Well, so am I and I rather would not have the tariffs and the trade war, Trump making nice with Putler and other such nonsense. Trump is going to be a net negative to us. Agreed on the woke nonsense going away being a good thing, though.

[@KoenBoyful]

⁠@@Avalozir Trump got Tarrifs and the Democrats would have had higher taxing for companies. Which would make sure they are making their products more in price to compensate. So this would have also make life more expensive for an American citizen. I have read a lot from June till now about American politics, seen all the interviews from both sides, looked at the past with biographies from Reagan, Nixon and Kennedy. This all showed to me what the American people are and what they want. It is clear that the Americans and Europe (except for the UK and France) want an new Right wind. As I European we would both “liked” the democrats to win because she would have made our trading cheaper. But what I want more are Sovereign states who go their own way and help each other. But like Trump said “…. First” which every country has to say. Fix your country first before helping others. You would help your own family to before helping a stranger.

[@Carl-Gauss]

Dunno, if it was possible to see Trump winning from miles away, why did bookmakers only give him 60% chance?

[@yolobuck2553]

i love to see a based european. stay strong brother. help is on the way

[@TheRustyLM]

Thank you for your sober assessment.

[@thomasdonovan3580]

Did you just say that Tim Walz was a good VP pick? Unsubscribed

[@dws0828]

See ya

[@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506]

American politics really is wrotten to the core lmao. Who cares if he thought some VP was a good choice...

[@JonBrownSherman]

I love your spicy takes on politics and your knowledge of history only makes you see things more clearly. Thank you for being you and putting in so much hard work into this channel, I hope that we'll continue to get your political opinions in livestreams at least. Also have you seen the channel The Tribunate? They're amazing at tying all of their historical Roman videos into the modern world and they always have great takes on things.

[@laisphinto6372]

They are doing that way too much, Rome isnt America its ridiculous how much they wanna Link IT to the warped narrow modern American Politics. Accept that Politics are vastly different than the USA in Other countries and Times trying to Link everything to modern American Politics you Basically make fiction or LARP as your Idea of rome

[@deinemutter8999]

Its refreshing to hear a reasonable democrat. Although I enjoy the crazy ones more

[@leoborros]

No democrat is reasonable

[@laisphinto6372]

That wasnt reasonable its the Standard Trump Bad Stick with more words . Why do they Not bother to Look into the mirror? The democrats reason for losing IS mainly self inflicted ,Trump barely has to do anything than to Point at them and laugh.

[@cuddlesandkafka]

"It's the economy, stupid!"

[@qwwertoo]

Please, keep doing your primary candidates videos.

[@heinekelland9223]

i really like your in depth analysis over all the subjects you cover. I found you as i was looking for a good coverage of all the events that happened during the 1st and 2nd servile wars and i really liked the closing insight into the 3rd which you said later shaped pompey's and crassus rivalry (and theres even speculation that continued with clodius' tribune of the plebs term.) However i would really like if you made an in depth analysis of the 3rd servile war; i know its overly rapresented in the media but id love your insight, your opinions the sources you use. Why wasnt there a 4th servile war for example? did the romans finally learn from their mistakes? Also if possible id like an analysis of the battles as well, how they carried out. Thank you for all your work, your channel is a gold mine for history enthusiasts

[@ThersitestheHistorian]

I was strongly contemplating doing something on the Servile Wars. I am currently working with new editors who animate my stuff and add more visuals. The Third Servile War would work really well for that, and I will see if I can talk them into doing the First and Second conflicts as well.

[@heinekelland9223]

thats awesome thank you

[@highdunker7740]

Trump lives rent free in your head, dude.

[@steventrotter4958]

Sean reigns him in, for the most part. Let people think what they think what's the problem?

[@Tijjain]

He's literally in charge of the republican party.

[@papageitaucher618]

Trump lives rent free in everybodys head lol

[@JonBrownSherman]

Nothing resembling critical thought exists at all in your head.

[@Mantis42]

no talking about the guy who won the election in the video about the election

[@freealter]

20:56 you mentioned you feel at home with Marxist analysis, do you consider yourself a socialist or do you just recognize the value of the framework?

[@shanemeyer7989]

I voted for Obama twice. Most people i know voted for Obama twice. I dont know anybody personally that would have voted for Hillary, Kamala, OR biden. Maybe Bernie, but not any neolib products of the machine. We arent stupid. We arent dumb. We arent racist. We arent afraid or hateful. You have simply lost the plot, sir.

[@Avalozir]

Voting for trump? One HAS to be either dumb, stupid, racist or outright sociopath. Those or both uncaring and ignorant. I could understand staying home since Dem choice was very uninspired but actively going and voting for Trump? * Sigh * Well, Americans can't be trusted anymore, I guess. We Europeans need better allies.

[@laisphinto6372]

Seriously AS a rightwing Guy there seems a severe Lack of looking in the mirror ON the left Side either they went all insane or more likely they excommunicate anyone WHO critized them AS a Secret "rightwinger". No wonder they keep screwing when they have No one saying they are doing IT wrong

[@deatruiy]

That Biden livestream is gonna be wild., can’t wait lol

[@indybruining]

I appreciate the way that you took us through your thought process as time went on. I imagine for an intellectual it can be tempting to cover up somewhat emberassing mistakes or false assumptions by skipping ahead to the clever sounding conclusions. I was hesitant to listen to this when i saw it in my feed. Though i don't think i agree with you politically very much i enjoyed it nonetheless and am glad that i clicked! PS: i'm dutch so i don't have a personal dog in the race

[@owim]

ur awesome, tragen

[@Semper_Iratus]

willy brown’s mistress got dismissed.

[@dws0828]

In favor of E Jean Carroll’s rapist. Using buzz words as labels are so fun