Air Gun Spring Upgrade! the quest for FPS!

Air Gun Spring Upgrade!
after last weeks video we gained about 40 fps by porting the transfer port .021" now in search of more power we will upgrade the piston spring. in this video I show step by step the process required to swap the piston spring in a Ruger air hawk which came from the big box store rated at 495 fps.
disclaimer
way up here in canada! any thing with a rifled barrel that fires a projectile over 500 fps is classified as a firearm and falls under the same rules as a firearm which requires you to hold a valid PAL. if you don't have a PAL you shouldn't perform the mods seen in this video. You are responsible to make the decisions whether you mod your over 500 fps. I am not liable for any damages, accidents or anything else is you decide to mod your air gun.
sit back and enjoy the scientifical journey I'm about to show you!
please Comment , Like , and SUBSCRIBE!!!

[@raulmiron8670]

where can i buy a stronger spring?

[@BROTUNED]

Vortekproducts.com

[@petercope3263]

this was one of the most enjoyable vids i have watched on tweaking air rifles , and has helped me gain a little more confidence to have a go on my own rifle as and when i need to GREAT JOB thanks for taking the time to share this , stay good from uk .

[@BROTUNED]

Thanks so much Peter!

[@johnmueller155]

So did you try taking it apart?

[@BROTUNED]

Not yet been busy with other content

[@johnny2f55]

7:01

[@la2123]

Your method of assembling mainspring is definitely ingenious.

[@djaxclips]

Excellent idea making the spring compressor. Makes the job alot easier 👍

[@Interdiction]

Moronic how the govts of certain countries see these as Firearms .In the 70s we have 20 ft lb air rifles .The one and only reason the 12 ftlb rule came in was to protect the British air rifle makers as they could not compete with the HW german make. Treating adults like kids is moronic

[@BROTUNED]

Most of the laws are idiotic and they say it’s to prevent crime lol people committing crime don’t care about the law anyway so just let us have some freedom

[@garybrantley6711]

The more laws, the less justice-Cicero. Great video! @@BROTUNED

[@bajadan2769]

I simply dont follow these ridiculous laws Im surprised more people dont - especially the Britts .

[@user-cf5cs5mg5c]

What ever you say but you really should do the math . 👍

[@itsoktoberight4431]

Our government class gel blasters, paintball guns and Airsoft as firearms. We still have real guns just need a license

[@ApolloFX_CZ]

This is exactly what i was looking for. Thanks a lot

[@BROTUNED]

Not a problem! Have a great day

[@SDSypher]

“throw it in the spring compressor” **does it with bare hands, pliers, and a flathead**

[@itsoktoberight4431]

Yeah I don't remember using a spring compressor last time I did it

[@miketurner3964]

Just for balance of course… Many years ago a friend of mine, whilst putting an Ox in his Hw35 got the breech block cross threaded. He brought it over so we could mount it in my jig and hopefully resurrect the situation. Well..couldn’t get it out so I held the breech tight with a leather gauntlet, while he twisted. Some you guys will know that the HW spring carrier is roughly cut and splayed out in a cross shape - remember the roughly cut bit, it’s important. Yep..we twisted..something thudded onto my thumb and the spring went airborne. The first sign of trouble was that there didn’t seem to be a proper thumb in the thumb of the gauntlet any more. There was a neat “v” shaped cut in the leather where my thumb should have been. The spring carrier went through the leather, hit the top of the base of my thumb, went through down to the bone and dislocated it so it was laying next to my wrist. One surgery and plenty of ribbing later, all was good. Still got my Venom arms HW 77k, must be 35years old and I’d still rather hunt with it than use my pre charged rifles.

[@BROTUNED]

Ouch

[@grahamtodd2335]

Make two short pins the size of the trigger group so that you can push out the long pins and leave the two short ones in place to keep the trigger group all in line and it makes assembly a doddle as everything is held in place and the safety simply slides in again no problems I made mine from brass rod and they are a godsend for servicing the rifle. The video is great and the results are very good you are doing a great job. And Nice to see someone actually doing things the safe way. Keep on keeping on stay safe from the UK.

[@davidschmidt6013]

They have these things now, they're called 'workbenches',..or something like that...

[@mackredsnapper]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jeep291]

thank you sir I learned again about the length and the diameter of the Main Spring less 2.3 !!!

[@BROTUNED]

I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I enjoy reading the comments

[@d.b.94]

I have a cheap B2 Chinese. 22 air rifle that the spring got weak after couple of years. So bought a vortek spring for the rifle same length as the old one played hell getting the new one in. And cocking was hard also. So I cut the new spring down a couple of coils and flatten and polish the end. That rifle shoots 10 time better then when I first bought new awesome now. I even got one of their moly seal for that rifle even better. Vortek Inc. make great products for your air rifles American made from Michigan. More fps dose not mean better accuracy that's what you want accuracy with the right fps. And the right pellets also. Good luck bud.

[@ianmcnulty3279]

I took an HW 80 up to 24 ft-lbs then dropped it back to 18 ft-lbs if it's done right you get very little recoil. At 24 ft-lbs the group size at 35 yards was around 10 inches at 18 ft lbs the group size was < 3/4 inch

[@danchant9]

Man what a good video....I was really impressed with the gun vice may steal your idea its perfect!!!!

[@BROTUNED]

Ya good ahead it’s very simple to make and you don’t need any expensive tools

[@BROTUNED]

Makes it so much easier

[@danchant9]

It's one of a kind!! Thanks for sharing

[@BROTUNED]

Your welcome Dan! Cheers and enjoy

[@carlosgallegos7363]

The space of the compressed spring is already determined so that it engages, what is your idea? Buy an equal spring but of better quality. greetings

[@donaldrush1364]

Another Great video. Thank you so much.

[@BROTUNED]

Cheer

[@BROTUNED]

Cheers Donald

[@Leadbadger557]

Great video thanks, u made a Perfect spring compressor, I’m gonna make one 👍

[@BROTUNED]

Glad it helped

[@wm.traynor1143]

That's a huge clamp you've got there mate😄😄

[@BROTUNED]

Better to compress my springs 😆

[@neilthomas9365]

Like your gun jig,im making one of those bad boys. Will make it loads easier 👍

[@BROTUNED]

It’s so much easier than trying to do it without this. The factory spring was fine but as soon as you upgrade it it’s a must have

[@johnhutchinson5398]

What brand of pellet rifle is that dude ? Never seen one exactly like it. Great work on that spring compressor. That comes in handy for sure. Great work thanks for the video dude.

[@BROTUNED]

It’s a ruger air hawk 177 495 fps

[@johnny2f55]

Hi, I am about ready to change my spring - but I don't have a spring compressor or the means to make the version you use (I saw your video on how to make it and it is very good, it's just not something I can make at the moment). Is there a way to do this without a compressor? Ie by putting pressure yourself on the spring using the flat head of a file etc? I know it won't be as easy or as safe, but is there a way? Thanks!

[@BROTUNED]

Ya you do that but it’s a sketch situation so just spend $30 and build one so you can do it again safely from now on

[@andyjame6351]

very satisfied with this product

[@BROTUNED]

Thanks

[@johnny2f55]

Hi - this was such a useful video - thank you. I just have a few questions if you don't mind - a) what's the name of that flat-lying vice-like thing with the screw adjuster clamped to the end? (The thing you put the barrel in to work on)? B) I see you ordered the spring cut to 34 coils, but you said you realised you had to cut a couple more off. How were you able to tell that, and to know how much to cut off? (I ask so that I'll know when i do the same thing) C) you mention something about "locking" the screws at the end- do you mean using "thread lock" liquid? D) I'm going to order from the website you linked, specifying at 34 coils - the 142 Wire Spring 830OD. Will this spring fit most springer makes and models, or only certain ones? I have a variety of springers so would be good to know if it could work with any of them. Cheers!

[@BROTUNED]

A) is a spring compressor I came up with to work on springers. I made a video on making it. B)the reason I had to cut it was because it ended up binding up so I had to shorten it to allow the spring to compress. I cut a bit then tested it until the main spring compressed without any binding. Takes some time unless you make big incremental cuts C) blue locktite is a good idea on anything that moves or vibrates

[@BROTUNED]

It will work in some for sure 👍🏻 but there’s a lot of springers out there so I’m sure it won’t fit in a good majority of them

[@catherineharris4746]

Outstanding!👍👍👍

[@BROTUNED]

Thank you so much Catherine Harris really appreciate that. Cheers!

[@georgelaplante1129]

Happy new years Ryan. Would you have any links or know who could mod my webley tracker. Thanks from Vancouver Island.

[@BROTUNED]

No sorry not really familiar with that one

[@Lilparis100.]

We jus need the lil table u have for sale ?? 😂😂

[@lionheart9692]

It's not just me who wants to make things more powerful than they are intended lol 😆

[@pevaughn]

you are never alone...lol

[@la2123]

People always want to be better. There's even a KZbinr modified his break barrel into a gun that fires using nail gun powder loads.

[@BROTUNED]

That’s awesome what’s the channel I’m curious to see this in action

[@la2123]

@@BROTUNED I believe many countries did it but the ones I found mainly Indonesians. This guy demonstrates how the muzzle flash would look like if a nail gun powder load (purple code = strong charge) was placed into the drilled BSA barrel (Indonesian limit is 4.5mm, powder loads is 5.5mm, rim 6.5mm) kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3KvZIyIhcmNr6s

[@la2123]

@@BROTUNED Here's another one, this guy shows how he loads the powder load and uses modified piston as firing pin. The making process can be found in his channel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6ibd4J_j6Z-bbs

[@ClarkesonTheMarksman]

Great video man. Can you attempt this on a gamo speedster? to uprate the spring for more ft/lbs and fps? Cheers

[@BROTUNED]

I’ll have to find one but I will if I can get one definitely

[@MechTactical]

Love it

[@BROTUNED]

Thanks buddy we should do a video together sometime

[@MechTactical]

@@BROTUNED 100% my man... 100%

[@johnny2f55]

Hi mate- from the catalogue you link, there is a "148 Wire Spring 905 OD". I've figured out this means Outer Diameter is 0.905 inches = 22.5mm. What I don't understand is the "148". Is this the strength/ thickness of the wire itself? If so, is 148 a good standard to stick to? Cheers!

[@BROTUNED]

I’d have to check on the order form but I think .148” would be the thickness of the wire

[@johnny2f55]

@@BROTUNED Cheers mate, I appreciate that you take the time to reply to questions!

[@mikecyanide6714]

Can these springs go in red ryders?

[@dspencer8827]

Please can you tell me is the new spring longer and or stiffer than the original one in the rifle .thanks

[@BROTUNED]

It’s a bit longer and stiffer

[@shawsmining]

ive been looking for a spring upgrade for my Beeman silver Kodiak dual cal.i want more power

[@MsFrogger75]

Should use a nitro piston spring with a 5/16 shaft and piston should be 155 mm long

[@bobdefiglio2.045]

Dude.... thank you!

[@BROTUNED]

No problem cheers!

[@billt1954]

Before anyone complains about this video please remember it was made for “scientifical” reasons 😂

[@DiscusRussell]

Flatten both ends of the spring, grind flat then polish to a mirror finish. Hope this helps you

[@BROTUNED]

Thanks very much for the tip I’ll give it a go

[@brodylockley3141]

Why mirror finishing

[@DiscusRussell]

@@brodylockley3141 The spring rotates when compresses and uncompressed so a rough finish after flattening hinders the rotation. The smoother the whole firing cycle will increase accuracy

[@brodylockley3141]

@@DiscusRussell thank u

[@user-cf5cs5mg5c]

Anything over 12 foot pounds makes the gun less accurate simple law of physics proven . Doesn't matter what make of gun more important is gun weight but the laws of gravity × physics is finite. The point the pellet is less than a quarter of the way down the barrel at 800 fps that's fact that's life . Good video.

[@BROTUNED]

I enjoy it most at around 650 fps but I just wanted to see what it would do

[@edwheeler6396]

I have a Air Hawk Elite one pump pellet rifle the ball that rode on the barrel that helped cock it came off in the spring came out but the ball fell down in the barrel

[@rileybeer2836]

That is the only other gun like that i have ever seen...that is the same as mine...is that a spa xt208

[@johnny2f55]

I've heard that an alternative way to add potential energy to your existing spring is to stretch out each coil slightly - so that the entire spring becomes marginally longer, and so when it is compressed it holds more potential energy - is this true? Cheers!

[@BROTUNED]

Makes sense but I haven’t tested it

[@neiledwards8931]

Just to let you know, your spring end is not finished correctly , you should heat it up with a blow lamp then when it gets red pinche the top coil so its inline with the coil unneath it pointed nose pliers then let it cool down naturally before placing it back into the action.

[@hieronimgabka4601]

Bullshit. You have to temper this end of spring after inline coil modification. Otherwise this end of spring is soft. Ofcourse you have to smooth the ends of spring on both side for mirror surface. This method prevent vibrations, make shooting softer, and reduces gun kicking.

[@neiledwards8931]

@Hieronim Gąbka Big Bull Shit you are stating, you collapse the spring with heat then pinch it to the coil underneath it , you let the spring cool down naturally no need at all for water or oils. It appears you know nothing about Springer Bull Shiter .

[@BROTUNED]

Thanks for sharing this I’ll have to go back in and change this

[@neilgilbert830]

How would you s screw the end cap back on say if it was a hw 80 with it being under pressure

[@BROTUNED]

I guess you couldn’t unless you can figure out a way to hold the tube securely and have the back exposed

[@enochsawit8420]

Hi friend, where did you get the new spring from? Thanks I am in Canada too.

[@BROTUNED]

Search up vortek springs

[@johnhutchinson5398]

They have springs like this with different sizes and very strong at most hardware stores that’s equipped with a good stock of things like springs to bearings.

[@grock1515]

Awesome tutorial, thanks!

[@BROTUNED]

You are welcome

[@user-hb6kr3zb7v]

Is it an umarex ruger hawk air rifle?I just got one myself today,if it's the same model,I can just apply the spring size you use to mine

[@BROTUNED]

It is a ruger air hawk 495 fps and in .177

[@user-hb6kr3zb7v]

@@BROTUNED really appreciate

[@user-hb6kr3zb7v]

@@BROTUNED How many coils that spring still have after you cut it,I want to save that step so I don't need to cut and grind myself😂

[@BROTUNED]

No problem thanks for your comment

[@philpinkney9238]

Nice vid 👍

[@BROTUNED]

Thanks phil

[@joehenry447]

Hi , nice job , how much did you gain and where did you get your spring from .

[@BROTUNED]

Over stock it almost doubled the velocity and I purchased the springs from vortek.com

[@joehenry447]

OK , Thank you and that link does not work .

[@BROTUNED]

vortekproducts.com/ourstore/index.php?route=product/category&path=64

[@BROTUNED]

I couldn’t remember the exact site but it is vortekproducts.com

[@joehenry447]

That link worked and Thank You :=}

[@thebestsoccer2063]

Any tips for improving the fps on the glock 17 bb gun gen 3?

[@BROTUNED]

I have never looked into it but if there’s a will there’s a way

[@markwest8960]

Found an older one than this in my dad's stuff.....he died a few years ago. Would love to have someone that knows what they're doing to fix mine. I tried some new pellets and it's not working. The pellet basically just drips/falls out of the barrel. Know anyone in western NC that may know how to fix it. I took it to a local gun shop and they wouldn't look at it.

[@BROTUNED]

Does it cock and spring back when you pull the trigger. May just need new seals and to clean up the inside of the piston tube

[@markwest8960]

@@BROTUNED , yes, it does. I have no idea if my dad ever did any of that so I'll try to check it out and see. Thank you very much!

[@BROTUNED]

Ok good luck with the gun hope you get it working

[@martinkelsey275]

If its a .22 the old ones are 5.6 not the newer version 5.5 tryfinding the old style ammo

[@markwest8960]

@@martinkelsey275 , thank you

[@airsoft3563]

you think it possible to 3d print a spacer to insert into the airgun to get higher fps whit the same spring?

[@BROTUNED]

Oh I’m sure you could 100%

[@BROTUNED]

Test and tune basically

[@la2123]

How do we consider a stronger spring for upgrade? Is it longer, harder, or thicker than the original? Thanks.

[@BROTUNED]

Yes basically that’s correct ✅ but don’t go overboard on thickness because you’ll get coil bind and make cocking it way harder for not much return in velocity. I found the gun shot best at around 600 fps

[@la2123]

@@BROTUNED Noted, thanks for the tips.

[@lionheart9692]

We're can you order stronger springs please.

[@BROTUNED]

Vortekproducts.com is the site I believe

[@Sniper_Pulo]

Wowww... top gun.. greetings one hobby friend. let's drink coffee together☕🍵👈

[@deksamtorrac6518]

So, how many FPS was it before? Wish you had a before and after on this gun.

[@BROTUNED]

It’s a 495 fps gun originally I believe it was in the 460’s before any mods

[@sassobasso]

I have a 7,5 joule umarex .177 air gun and i want to mod it, what do you suggest? Like lubing the piston or what spring should i get, Thanks🙏

[@BROTUNED]

The biggest thing that makes the biggest difference is changing the main spring to something stiffer. Vortekproducts.com

[@sassobasso]

@@BROTUNED i have no idea what i should get, any ideas?

[@BROTUNED]

You will have to either take yours apart and take measurements of the stock stuff then get another spring with the same diameter but thicker coils or more coils.

[@petergore1972]

Peter Gore Seer, There Are Some Fantastic Springs Sold, Oval Shaped Springs. There Are Some Guns With Barrels Bent.

[@ianmcnulty3279]

Look for an OX spring square section

[@carloscollomps1552]

I wonder how much dieseling would increasing fps with this setup.

[@ianmcnulty3279]

A lot but no accuracy though no consistency

[@ianmcnulty3279]

Please take care if you don't have a Chrono or an FAC as if you get caught with a gun over 12 ft lbs the punishment is 5 years in prison no excuses not knowing the power is no excuse

[@BROTUNED]

This is correct it becomes a firearm over 500 fps and you must treat it and store it accordingly

[@theodavies8754]

The sort of air rifle that does well to hit a phone book. Junk. Managing to get 5 years in prison with it would be tragic.

[@phillipsharpe6459]

Power is nothing without accuracy, what are your groups like at say 30 yards, ?

[@BROTUNED]

Definitely not as good as the lighter spring. I know what you’re saying though.

[@jimstewart5008]

What I am interested in is how harsh is the recoil and what is accuracy like now?

[@BROTUNED]

With the big spring it’s a bit much going to go back to the previous one for sure. Not worth the trade off

[@jimstewart5008]

@@BROTUNED been down that road years ago there is only a certain amount of volume for air in an airgun and using a heavy spring creates piston slam and harsh recoil not to mention the strain on everything cocking arm, contact points and trigger sear. If you make another video maybe explain that to the views, I am afraid people new to airguns, may destroy a perfectly good airgun

[@BROTUNED]

Ya I will make a new vid about this issue

[@malcytull]

@@jimstewart5008 I found out by accident on my HW80, many years ago, just adding a small weight inside the front of the piston & then cutting off four coils from the spring, that put the power up & made it more comfortable to shoot. The trouble was, it took it over our 12ft/lbs limit so I put a standard spring back in & brought it back to how it was. It was a good experiment though.

[@BROTUNED]

That’s very interesting

[@user-zj3wr4eg1e]

What makes a spring stronger, the thickness or the number of the coils?

[@BROTUNED]

I’m guessing the thickness and the number of coils would make it stiffer.

[@rileybeer2836]

Probably the thickness

[@johnibbertson2960]

@@rileybeer2836 if you strengthen spring surely recoil will be worse?

[@la2123]

I've read about the Ox Accelerator mainspring are square section and thus provides 40% more compression and power. If you're familiar with misumi spring you'll know square are better than regular round section coil.

[@la2123]

How it's treated during the manufacturing process as well as what it's coated with will also overall improve your spring quality and durability.

[@weaponman3872]

Can I put a stronger spring on a youth break barrel

[@BROTUNED]

I don’t see why not. Would make the cocking harder though

[@James-vw3vt]

The only problem with fitting a stronger spring is that it makes it harder to hit the target to much kick back

[@BROTUNED]

I agree 100%

[@peterpsaunders1]

I did this once never again wast of time makes the gun inaccurate. And rough to use.

[@rileybeingessner228]

The best ones I have found have a heavy stock to compensate.

[@johndoee3850]

How much increase in velocity??Thanks

[@BROTUNED]

Wasn’t much but the more I go faster the more I want to put the light spring back in for quietness and light recoil. But I think it was in the 100fps range

[@mikegreen9492]

What increase in fps did you get? You never showed the results - only the final result. Was it worth it?

[@BROTUNED]

I to be totally honest want to go back to the light factory spring at about 490 fps it was just a lot easier to shoot. The big spring makes the recoil get very sharp and cocking it is a workout. I guess it depends what you want to do with it. For target plinking 600 is what I would recommend

[@josephasmar416]

Hi I have crossman .177 it’s not getting the pellets out , I have to shoot about 7 times before the pellet comes out, some debris is coming out, do you know how to fix it, thanks

[@BROTUNED]

Maybe you piston seal is faulty? Is this a new rifle? Ammo shouldn’t make a difference as long as it is .177. Possibly the seal on the barrel is missing or damaged? Have you ever taken the rifle apart?

[@josephasmar416]

It’s actually marksman 177, Do you have a video how to replace the seal

[@josephasmar416]

It’s about 20 years old , but I keep it in good shape, but I kept it in the shed outside throughout summer and winter, maybe seal is not good anymore. I never took it apart, but after watching your video I’m going to try

[@BROTUNED]

Could be rusted inside. You’ll have to check it out and perhaps hone the cylinder and get a rebuild seal kit online.

[@josephasmar416]

Thank you

[@colbtron]

I had a crossman phantom . 22 500fps pellet gun from Walmart 99cad. I ordered a spring from vortek air springs... Brought it up to 1200 fps lol couldn't even keep a scope on it without a stop... Fuck it had some power... The spring was 12 bucks and like 30 to ship it to Canada lol well worth it

[@BROTUNED]

Fast little rifle!

[@sRecollet]

Thanks. Always bothered that can't get ones higher then 500 fps here in canada like at Candian Tire and just bought one and want to get it closer to 1000, so will definitely try this :)

[@colbtron]

@sRecollet just message them tell them what kind of gun you have and what your looking to do

[@sRecollet]

@@colbtron OK thanks. Checked out their site and seen like 15 listed but wasn't sure which one(s) would be compatible. Will definitely do that, thanks :)

[@colbtron]

@@sRecollet where are you from ?

[@roseraee5369]

Hey Where can I order a spring for my gamo varmint air gun in Canada ???

[@BROTUNED]

Vortekproducts.com

[@traceypotts9425]

I used to do this when I was ten I used my weight to compress the spring and tap the pin out easy you don't need jigs and clamps crappy tools

[@johncuthbertson2565]

You do when your old , 👴🏼 😂 I should know 😒

[@BROTUNED]

I’m just trying to make it easier and less sketchy for myself and I was bored

[@happyrecluse2849]

Just found your vid timely. Opened up my Benjamin Classic 22 to see what is up. Chrono showing 426. Not much preload in the spring as I put a little pressure on cylinder the main support pin fell out... Gets better, Piston needed to be forced out using a probe to slide out of sleeve. Found scrubbing on the piston and ID of sleeve. Seal had metal filings embedded in it. Got pics to prove it. Removed spring and found one end squared of and reasonable smooth, However the other end appeared to be hacked off with bolt cutters and not squared or cleaned up. On the end of piston, seal end, there is a small hole drilled through not centered, not done obviously on a lathe...Metal chips.... Got some work to do but need, to replace the seal and spring for sure after I calculate an appropriate length. Then lotsa polishing and lube. If this is how they "detune" for CA Market am not impressed. Bought this brand new and wasn't cheap at that time. Wish me luck cuz, skill is no problem here. Am not on the Quest for more FPS, just what I paid for. Just subbed and liked.

[@BROTUNED]

Ya I think they just detune them as fast as possible to get more out. You will have a great springer if you do all that for sure. Let me know how it turns out. Remember it magically turns into a firearm after 500 fps so a pal is required. Not sure if you have one but be mindful of that. Cheers buddy and good luck!

[@haoneo9592]

Can .22 spring be put in .177 rifle?

[@BROTUNED]

Yes

[@colbtron]

Try all copper pellets...expensive af...but they're light and retain their shape on impact...they do like 5x the damage....i used to shoot them into a block of wood , pick them out and shoot them again

[@BROTUNED]

Oh ha ha that’s crazy the seriously don’t deform?

[@colbtron]

@BROTUNED nope...I think they were like 29.99 for 50 at cabelas..real expensive...saved them for my best kills hahaha jack rabbits took a pounding when I was in Edmonton 😅

[@BROTUNED]

That is expensive

[@colbtron]

@@BROTUNED where are you out of?

[@BROTUNED]

Like city? Country?

[@thomaslietzau2813]

where did you get the springs and upgrades

[@BROTUNED]

I got my springs from vortekproducts.com

[@thomaslietzau2813]

@@BROTUNED are they still in bussiness ?

[@BROTUNED]

I believe that they are but haven’t ordered from them in many years so not positive

[@Patrick-857]

Wow some countries have super lame airgun laws.

[@BROTUNED]

Ya your not kidding and the gun laws are even worse

[@rarefruit2320]

Oh my god I just read the description 😮

[@chadbinette3201]

Why you think the 2nd amendment is such a hot topic in the us, once they start it won't stop till we're hunting with slingshots.

[@colly7912]

Give me 12 foot pounds air guns over submachine guns anyday. The guns ordinary people can buy in America are just pure insanity.. life is so cheap in America. So sad

[@chadbinette3201]

@@colly7912 well sub machine guns are illegal in America so brush up. Handgun, shotguns, rifles, even the big bad ar-15 (which is NOT a machine gun) ALL require a background check and a CLEAN record. Bad people do bad things whether they have a gun or a butter knife.

[@Mapleish]

If you don’t have a pal license and make a 495 fps into something over 500 fps would that be illegal?

[@BROTUNED]

Yes it magically 🪄 becomes a firearm. Isn’t that crazy

[@Mapleish]

@@BROTUNED oh how I love canada

[@BROTUNED]

It’s only going to get worse

[@Mapleish]

@@BROTUNED can’t wait for bill c21 to pass

[@BROTUNED]

Why?

[@pritesbas9247]

Are the springs same in .22 and .177 Cali guns

[@BROTUNED]

I would get not but could be wrong. At least on Canadian guns anyways. They have to be sold at below 500 fps to be a not firearm and to get the pellets to get there a .177 spring would not push the heavier .22 pellet at that velocity so I’d say it would have to be a bigger spring

[@pritesbas9247]

@@BROTUNED So the answer is , you're not sure?

[@BROTUNED]

Yes that is correct ✅

[@stevebrown8686]

Should have bought yourself a table before the spring 😂

[@BROTUNED]

True enough lol

[@averystewart1017]

Man u did what soo many wish 2 do ..Time constraints..😔 Life i$ more than cha$ing money 1🤫

[@BROTUNED]

100 % money 💰 is definitely not everything! I have enough to get by and that’s fine with me just want to enjoy the short time we have here. I enjoyed reading your comment. Have a great day sir

[@philiprobins5488]

Ryan, I have a Ruger Air Hawk .177 and would like to fit a moderator to help make it more backyard friendly. Any ideas?

[@BROTUNED]

You’d have to get a gunsmith or machine shop to thread the barrel 1/2x28 if it’s thick enough then buy a can

[@pevaughn]

As long as it's legal where you live, you can probably make an effective moderator out of PVC pipe with a foam insert or lining.. All you'll need is some pvc pipe slightly smaller or same size as the end of the barrel , a heat gun, a saw/dremel, some foam, and some tape. Probably would look custom (weird)...but it should work.

[@BROTUNED]

Peter V yes that would definitely work but would be illegal in Canada not to sure what the laws are in the states so I would definitely look into that before making anything

[@pevaughn]

@@BROTUNED .. That's why I started with the legal disclaimer. One day I wish it will be legal here in Canada like the UK... would be more sensible to help people's hearing and noise pollution wherever the guns are used.

[@BROTUNED]

Yes I agree 110% but unfortunately all our government wants is to eliminate guns all together but wouldn’t that be awesome. The liberals are making hard drugs legal because that makes sense lol 😂. But guns are the problem they say. Smh 🤦‍♂️

[@vimtonutts7371]

Where did you get the spring from?

[@BROTUNED]

I believe the website is vortek.com or something like that

[@vimtonutts7371]

Does widening the end of the barrel with a drill affect performance

[@BROTUNED]

The muzzle would ruin performance I just matched the breach end to get the best flow through the port

[@wazagarf8796]

did you try drilling holes in your piston to get it lighter AND MORE FPS

[@BROTUNED]

Lol 😂

[@fl106c]

what kind of fish do you have?

[@BROTUNED]

Lol 😂 no clue the kids picked them

[@donaldrush1364]

Looks like a pain in the ass. I'd pay you to do it but im in London Ont. Canada eh.

[@BROTUNED]

I’m just up near Peterborough. Cheers Donald

[@donaldrush1364]

@@BROTUNED same place as my favorite store.AGS. if your ever in London and want to make a couple bucks I have a crossman magfire mission that is screaming for a mod. Apparently it's just filling a hole with jb weld. Don't trust myself to do it though.😃

[@BROTUNED]

Ok definitely if I’m out that way we can plan something

[@donaldrush1364]

@@BROTUNED TYSM

[@BROTUNED]

Your welcome!

[@HusnainAliJohnMughal]

can we use .25 spring to .177 air gun to improve for power and fps

[@BROTUNED]

I have not tried it but I can’t see why it wouldn’t raise the fps of a .177

[@HusnainAliJohnMughal]

try it and tell

[@BROTUNED]

Will do

[@russellkerfoot5423]

I CAN`T BELIEVE YOU DIDN`T TAKE THE PISTON OUT. POLISH IT AND PUT A NEW SEAL ON IT AND LUB IT UP FOR REASSEMBLE.

[@BROTUNED]

It’s easy enough to do just testing the main spring in this video. So the only variable was the spring

[@crazycressy7986]

And mill out slots in the piston to make it lew weight

[@johnibbertson2960]

@@crazycressy7986 what is lew weight

[@longyx321]

No Lube ?

[@BROTUNED]

Lots in there

[@sharpscornerx2]

I guess with crappy tools comes a crappy workbench. LOL

[@BROTUNED]

You bet! Ha ha

[@petegower2031]

No front spring guide..... 😮

[@BROTUNED]

Never had one

[@twitchclips3502]

Is the gun a .22 or .177?

[@BROTUNED]

It’s a .177

[@la2123]

500 fps limit? Sounds like everyone wouldn't be able to get anything more than a multi pump air pistol.

[@alfredqiao7892]

The Canadian gun law is a joke.

[@BROTUNED]

You’ve got that right

[@johnny2f55]

7:01

[@johnny2f55]

11:01

[@johnny2f55]

3:09

[@julianblacksmith8539]

how much fps gain? justin trudue is a pain in the butt, so i was wonder how much my crossman 1377 can gain.

[@BROTUNED]

I have 3 springs the factory is around 460 spring 2 is in the mid 600s and the 3 spring is around 900 but I honestly like the soft shooting factory spring

[@julianblacksmith8539]

​@@BROTUNEDIsn't changing the valve more important than the spring? Did u gain fps, by soley changing the springs, or did you change the valve, and barrel length too.

[@user-mu1rw1qr2u]

Upgrading a spring or modifying one is illegal

[@BROTUNED]

If you don’t have a gun license it definitely is

[@FranciscoGarcia-zs2sk]

Qué calibre es 4.5 Ho 5.5

[@BROTUNED]

Bonjour! C’est un 4.5

[@FranciscoGarcia-zs2sk]

@@BROTUNED gracias por responder!!

[@MLL65]

you didnt tell us the speed before

[@BROTUNED]

oh sorry it was around 640 fps

[@abruptlyblunt]

air riffle classified as a firearm, that's ludicrous, they can't come close to the velocity of a projectile fired by ignited propellant, not to mention the dinky size and weight of a 177 or even a .22 pellet, they are no way near the mass of an actual bullet, you can do more damage with a sling shot.....

[@BROTUNED]

Oh I agree 100% but that’s politicians for ya. We are doomed letting these people control us

[@John-ob7dh]

They are still pretty dangerous in stnd form .My Gamo roadster 22 put a big hole in and out a heavy duty metal paint tin.Imagine hitting someone in the head with that.

[@abruptlyblunt]

i never said they didn't present any danger but a .177/.22 won't do near the damage a real 22 will do when it starts tumbling in the wound or even the damage that can be caused by a crossbow or compound bow however, the 25 cal and up air guns that's another story, if anything is going to destroy the airgun hobby it's going to be the greedy manufacturers who keep making unnecessarily more and more powerful air guns and the dumber than stumps youtube content makers who can't stop posting video evidence for the government to use.......@@John-ob7dh

[@nmoran2046]

Bro you need a work bench

[@BROTUNED]

Ya I hear ya my shop bench is full of projects so no more room I need more time so I can get ahead on everything

[@nmoran2046]

Or one thing at a time my friend

[@jacquesraymond6892]

I saw a video where the guy put some vaseline in the pellets and he gained alot of velocity. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4e5gquYh8Zreq8 (9:50).

[@BROTUNED]

Ya it’s dieseling basically anything combustible in the skirt pocket when the piston compresses the air it gets hot enough to ignite the combustible fuel and will almost double the velocity but not recommend. Not sure what damage it could do but apparently it will cause damage to the rifle. I have done it a lot back in the day with my air hawk and never seen damage but apparently it will so if you do it have that in mind

[@ianmcnulty3279]

You will get more power but no accuracy so what is the use of doing it

[@canadianpatriot9566]

Increase tube and piston to dramatically increase ft/lbs per square inch.

[@BROTUNED]

Yes that would definitely work

[@AidenKerr944]

What do you mean by increase

[@BROTUNED]

I’m not sure what your talking about could you type in the time when I mention this. Thanks and sorry I don’t have an answer for you yet