CROSMAN PHANTOM .22 CAL PISTON MOD / CHRONY TEST VID 3

CROSMAN PHANTOM 22 CAL PISTON MOD / CHRONY TEST CHRONY TEST DONE ON FACTORY RIFLE AND AFTER PISTON MODS IS COMPLETED.THE PELLETS USED IN THIS TEST ARE THE X-SPORT PRECISION PELLETS BY STOEGER AIRGUNS AND THEY ARE .85G/13.12 GRAIN PELLETS. THE CHRONY USED IS A CHRONY BETA FROM 10FT AWAY FROM THE MUZZLE. THIS MOD ALONE ADDED APROX. 200 TO 250 FPS TO THIS 495 RIFLE.

[@mverno6262]

I bought the .22 version last night and only fired 3 shots before I disassembled it. I plugged the piston with a small dowel, crazy glued both ends and polished up the residue. I also made a 5/8 brass spacer to add more compression to the spring. I chamfered the opening a little more on the plastic muzzle protector to clean it up a bit, shaved off the factory sights, mounted a scope and dialed it in. I don't have a chrony, but I'm blasting clean through a 5/8" fence board from 25 meters and getting quarter size groupings. Not bad for a $100 Wal-Mart gun.

[@BROTUNED]

awesome m verno! glad to hear the great results with your new pellet rifle. you should be around 650 fps or so. so you have enough gun to do some serious shooting and hunting. now start learning the trajectory of your particular rifle and pellet combo and stick with the same pellet and you will get to know where the pellet will go in comparison to the reticle in your scope for different ranges. or you can adjust and gather DOPE for your rifle and adjust instead of holding over. well have fun and please subscribe if you havent already. thanks for the comments.

[@BROTUNED]

Hey Mark! Yes this will affect accuracy in a positive way, because the pellet drops less and gets to the target quicker it will have a positive gain in accuracy.

[@HamboneDeluxe]

I have this rifle stock. Thanks for showing this modification!

[@BROTUNED]

you are welcome

[@BROTUNED]

Well the jb weld is in the hole so I can't see it even crumbling but one bullet proof way to plug yhe hole and I think is the absolute best way that will never fail would be to drill the hole bigger then tap it and red loc tite a set screw in the hole. That would be the proper fix and maybe ill do a video on doing this the right way. Comment and let me know if you wanna see it done.

[@BenDover-ye6tj]

Did you ever shim the spring to pre-load it? What did you use as a shim?

[@BenDover-ye6tj]

Makes sense. I wanna try the piston mod on mt Phantom. It's 495 FPS right now....hoping for 900

[@marcusbabcock458]

@Ringet421 which model number is this from the CR-CS5M22?

[@mverno6262]

Thanks. I noticed your other vid where you got the fps around 1000. It was a short vid but I think you said in the comments you did it with a spring swap. Where can I get one of those springs?

[@BROTUNED]

VORTEK PRODUCTS I HAVE THE WEB SITE POSTED IN ONE OF MY VIDEOS BUT I CANT REMEMBER WHICH ONE. SOMEONE WANTED TO KNOW THE EXACT SPRING SO I WROTE IT IN ONE OF THE DESCRIPTIONS. IF YOU CANT FIND IT MSG ME BACK AND ILL TRY TO FIND IT. THANKS FOR WATCHING.

[@billgator2005]

i'm thinking the pressure spike is correct but with out a pellet to seal the breach there is open path out the barrel. so i'm thinking the restricted airway holds back the volume of air following the pellet down the barrell. i'm quessing like a slow leak as apposed to large puncture?? what type lub are you using on the piston and pressure chamber?

[@BROTUNED]

ya thats true. hmm maybe i should give it a try on my days off. just dont wanna ruin a good gun if it fails. but maybe i can pick up a cheap used one or something. but good point. got me thinking now.

[@4486xxdawson]

Did this to my RS2 big improvement, also noticed they drilled a small hole in my 177 berrel that bleeds air out from under my breech so plugged that up too but havent tryed the 177 berrel yet having too much fun with the .22 berrel , i was thinking of converting to gas ram piston but realize the springers are tunable and ram is not , so i will take a springer over a ram for that reason alone , dont get me wrong i still would like to buy a gas ram break berrel but i wont mod it , it will stay stock minus a good scope ..

[@mverno6262]

I'm wondering if a rivet would work as well. Jb weld tends to get a bit crumbly if applied to thin and super glue will foul up the barrel. Any thoughts?

[@sammyhooligan803]

Thats what i thought of JB weld. A hardened dried epoxy on a rather soft type plastic might shift or become unattached after several jolts of spring slamming . Air then possibly seeps way through hole. What about a hobby plastic Hot glue gun using Gorilla type glue sticks with a plastic rivet or plastic insert so plastic adheres to after hot glue melted to seal hole for permanent seal? Just curious , in case its needed on my air rifle , and suggestions ?

[@BROTUNED]

Jb weld is the best method by far. In my spring upgrade video from a few weeks back you can see it’s still perfect after about 10 years of use

[@readygroup5107]

so what did you end up raising the FPE by from stock to the end of the mod?

[@BROTUNED]

currently clocking in at 876 fps

[@Katfellow]

That's quite an improvement on the velocity. How fast are you hoping to get it?

[@BROTUNED]

im hoping to get it toabout 900 or so fps but want it subsonic for sure every air rifle i made that wa over 1200fps was not very accurate. subsonic seem to be the way to go and from what i have seen i have had best accuracy at about 800 to 900 fps.

[@robertrota8290]

so what if my .22 cal crosman phantom that shoots 495fps (at lest that's what the box says) has no hole to plug?

[@MrMann703]

Robert Rota shim it with pennies, I don’t have a chrony to check the speed but I definitely have more power, my pellets are flat as dimes when they hit the steel trap and they are hitting hard enough that the steel is dimpled

[@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense]

@@MrMann703 please can you tell me how to do the penny shim thing

[@cosmonautcyka6562]

Do the pistons still have a hole in them to reduce the velocity down to 495FPS? I saw a few comments saying that their Crosman phantom didn't have a hole and I was wondering if that was the case for every Crosman Crosman Phantom .22 Cal .

[@BROTUNED]

I honestly couldn’t answer that question

[@MrPrice989]

Do you think this piston modification with the epoxy will work on a Crosman Phantom .22 with a Nitro Piston ? It's rated at 950fps. alloy & 800fps. lead , I want mine to do all of 950fps. with lead !

[@BROTUNED]

+MrPrice989 ya it would but if its full power already I'd assume there is no detuned piston in it. But I could be wrong

[@frankiesampson2114]

hey you still around I'm curious about mods for the optimus is that 1000 repair kit gonna really improve its fps

[@BROTUNED]

honestly couldn't tell you

[@N0B0DY_SP3C14L]

Do the newer nitro piston rifles also have a bleed hole like that?

[@BROTUNED]

I would guess no but I cont answer this question as I would be guessing.

[@colbtron]

i did the 2 pennys and a dime mod....found it really improved the fps...ill have to try the jb weld...thnks !!

[@BROTUNED]

what is the 2 pennies and dime mod? i have never herd of them before

[@cameoguy7097]

ringet421 Hi. 2 pennies & a dime. I read another post on another site. After you remove the spring, you drop the pennies & dime in. It makes the spring just coil bind. Max pressure. You have to try it. Some people find that 7only 2 pennies will fit. Add the dime, & the barrel won't quite lock up.

[@donaldrush1364]

Ok, stupid question. So im gonna attempt to plug the hole on my Crosman Magfire Mission Nitro piston with jb weld. Do I have to remove the trigger group or can i just slide the piston past it? TY.

[@BROTUNED]

I had to remove mine. I have never opened up a nitro rifle before so not totally sure to be totally honest

[@donaldrush1364]

@@BROTUNED ok Thank You

[@DJChesley]

You said you had didn't have a spring for that rifle as you were plugging it. Does that mean you use the different spring on the second chronograph test?

[@BROTUNED]

If that’s the .22 all I did was plug the whole. I have spring upgrades only on my .177 airhawk

[@diesect33]

Dumb question but do you have a step by step for this? Also which other crosmans will the jb weld mod apply to

[@BROTUNED]

Paul H basically just disassemble the rifle plug the hole let it dry and reassemble. I'm not sure all the models but a lot of the Canadian air rifles have to be detuned to meet the laws.

[@diesect33]

RINGET421 ah thanks. I'm in the USA. So this is a Canadian power limit thing? Thanks so much for your time!

[@ezbreazy3810]

@@diesect33 In Kanada you need an FAC FIREARMS ACQUISITION CERTIFICATE ..if the gun shoots over 500 fps. hence most are 495 fps.

[@johnnycodemunch9035]

I did the same thing. Dipped the screw in JB weld then jammed it into the hole. waited for a bit then dremeled it down to clean metal. Put a half inch spacer on the spring pole . Add's A great amount of force. Took down rabbits with this all winter

[@BROTUNED]

Jon Penney that sounds like it works good thanks for the comment. thats less work than tapping it and i know the jb will hold up to cause that stuff is amazing.

[@johnnycodemunch9035]

ringet421 Exactly! the jeb weld act's pretty much like super locktight and the threads bite into the piston's metal. (aluminum i think?) But Great video dude! I might just make one of my own on my beat up ol beast. shes seen some years hahahahaha

[@weldorguy]

I crony’d It.....I gotta talk to you ask you what you think I got going on. I got 989 (or something) and 767 from Gamo TS-22’s. Do you think I need to replace the piston seal?

[@BROTUNED]

High 900s is great 767 must be a heavy pellet

[@weldorguy]

21.75 grain pellet. TS-22 by Gamo I bought a nitro piston Crosman air rifle and I’m going to see how it compares. PAL from the factory Crosman

[@antouab221]

Howdy RINGET, Great video, thx for sharing. Ordered my Phantom .22, still in mail. Was thinking and wondering what's your take on taking the main spring out and carefully stretching it out and then assembling the stretched main spring back on? Would this add another 100 fps or so? Wish I could order a full 1000 fps main spring but don't know where can it be purchased? Cheers

[@BROTUNED]

Antoua B vortekproducts.com/ourstore/

[@chevota400]

+Antoua B It would just damage the spring because you'd bend it, then it would bend back once cocked, and no doubt a little weaker that before and likely bent too. The oem full power spring can be bought from Crosman directly, or if you're not in the US then thru other sources or an aftermarket spring like the Vortek RINGET posted. The hard part about aftermarket is you need to know the size you want and how to make it work, because I doubt any carry the exact size.

[@BROTUNED]

Look into vortex springs just do your homework match od and get a heavier coil and you'll be at or around 1000fps

[@chevota400]

+RINGET421 That's the hard part I mentioned. As far as I know Vortek only has one the same OD, and it's weaker than the oem full power. The two others I know of that will work are 780125 and 790128, but the 790 doesn't fit all pistons b/c it's so fat, and neither fit the guide so you have to improvise. The oem Crosman is cheap and fits. Installing a nitro is an option as well, if you trust it to last.

[@antouab221]

+chev rolet Appreciate the good info man. On vortekproducts.com there is another thing of confusion, how many coils do you choose, the spring (780125)comes with standard 33 coils but you could order it with as many as 40!? Cheers

[@catalincata9043]

What type of spring is that and where do u find it

[@BROTUNED]

vortex springs in google search

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

If available, why not simply replace the holed seal with the correct replacement? Adding a bolt to the seal would add a lot of weight, effecting the piston acceleration and deceleration. And would there be clearance for the bolt at the end of travel? A bolt wouldn't stay secured for long, and the damage would be considerable. We can't escape it: Solve a problem = create a new problem. Good point on not being able to shim the spring too much before the spring binds.

[@drefhill]

spare parts are not easily availlable for all models.

[@colbtron]

@ringnet so i just bought a new crossman phantom .22 and its not the same as the old ones ?? dunno if they change em or what but theres no hole in the piston to fill with jb weld anymore ????? so i did the same mod i did before 2 pennies and a dime...and it did absolutely nothing for increased fps ?? my old phantom was amazing at the power difference....i just dont understand ???

[@BROTUNED]

not sure

[@ardennielsen3761]

add a old Chevy valve spring to it and it will lob the suckers out at 850feet per second and smoke will come out of the barrel from the oil self igniting under the pressure. that's what i did, and could tag cinder blocks at 125 yards with out much effort but after that valve spring was added the seals at the breach only held for about 1000 shots, and it is to much of a hassle to get new ones as i live far away from the supply bunker that has the stashes.

[@rzhavyi]

WHAT YOU SOLUTION ISTOLZUETE When the holes are sealed piston ??????? PLEASE REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@rzhavyi]

sorry lubrication

[@BROTUNED]

Владимир Жежер The piston seal in most modern air guns is made of a synthetic material that is self lubricating. but when doing routine maintenance you can use silicon grease such as Silicone Faucet Grease found a hardware stores or hobby shops carry silicon lubes for remote control cars Traxxas Silicone Differential Lube. Another option is using motorcycle air filter seal grease like Bel-Ray Waterproof Grease. hope this helps you out.

[@BROTUNED]

Владимир Жежер please subscribe for my latest videos and hit the like button please that really helps me out thanks again

[@snowflakesfell4407]

what are the legal consequences of this? In Canada for example anything above 495 fps becomes a firearm.

[@BROTUNED]

yes correct you need a pal to own this

[@seanlisqum5800]

Did u just plug the hole or did u plug it and drill the hole smaller

[@BROTUNED]

I just sealed the hole to get the most compression out of the system.

[@SpYucaipaSoCal]

Mines shooting 707 after 100 shots 14.3 pellets my old late 50’s Benjamin 8 pumps 471 same pellets After adding a shim to trigger pin and removing the creep tension spring. 1 fat hole at 20 yards before with stock trigger 1” plus. Not bad cheap gun. Keeps the nephew away from my Impacts.

[@BROTUNED]

I’m gonna open mine up soon and see what everything looks like after most likely 20000 shots fired. I made a video today (released on dec 19) but it’s shooting about 650 now

[@BROTUNED]

Mark you should always have lubricant on any moving part of the rifle. I would recomend you pick up some oil and take it back apart and lube up the internals with the correct oil for air rifle internals. Do a google search for the correct oil for air rifle pistons.

[@420BluntOne]

RINGET421 If there is no hole present could you theoretically drill your own? Can you give any help/specs on replacing main spring? I was under the assumption a nitro piston does not use a spring.. i guess i was wrong there.

[@BROTUNED]

420BluntOne nitropiston guns use compressed nitrogen to generate the power. basically an air spring. if you have a spring piston rifle you could drill a hole but you are just de tuning the rifle to have less power. if you drill a nitro piston it wont work at all.

[@chevota400]

+420BluntOne The oem "full power" spring is ~.730"OD and .122 wire with 35 or so coils. Crosman has several different coil springs to reduce power, just as they have different pistons, and in case a hole. Yes you could drill your own hole, which will reduce the power, but it's a bad way to reduce power, negative side effects. If you want to drop power you can use a lighter spring and/or shorten the spring spacer. The spacer is 1.5" long, and if you remove it on a full power (18ftlb) gun it'll cut power in half. It shorten the spacer/make a shorter one to adjust power as needed. The nitro is a spring, a gas spring. The gun in the vid was not a nitro. If you want to reduce power in a nitro gun they sell a weaker nitro spring. It's 2/3rds as strong as the standard one.

[@jaibharat3723]

@@BROTUNED hello friend i am from india and i have aarmr national 350 magnum .22 but i seen its piston it dont have any type of hole. if i make hole myself it will useful or useless please reply

[@BROTUNED]

It will loose power by allowing the compressed air in front of the piston to leak behind and not out the barrel to help propel the pellet

[@marklong2528]

did you lube piston after jb weld?

[@BROTUNED]

well just the seal surfaces with a with pel gun oil. did that to make sure the seal had some lubrication because i wiped off the oil when i jb welded it.

[@keiganwallingham]

Is this hard on other internals ?due to compression?

[@BROTUNED]

I would think the only difference in the 495 and 1000 is the spring and limiting hole. so by plugging it you can get a bit higher velocities. as for wear I would assume that the higher compression would actually be better than having little to no resistance against the piston as it slams into the end of the tube. by adding a spring it would theoretically be the same as the 1000 fps gun. this is just my opinion based on things I've seen and done

[@airhogs19]

Hi Ringet421 I bought a Phantom after watching your video. I live in Canada and I was wondering if the Crosman Phantom 495 still has a hole in the piston?

[@BROTUNED]

you would have to look I have heard that some dont

[@airhogs19]

oh ok thanks man

[@conifergreen2]

It is my understanding that the Canadian version has a hole in the piston to allow some of the air to bleed off when firing, reducing the pressure so that the pellet travels under 500 feet per second. The current anti-gun Liberal Government allows the federal para-military RCMP to make gun laws so an air rifle is considered to be a deadly lethal weapon if it fires a pellet over 500 feet per second. If a Canadian version does not have this hole, then I am assuming that the manufacturer has now reduced the spring length and strength instead to reduce the pressure. I would assume that a longer and stronger spring would boost the power to over 500 ft per second. This would be considered a federal offense in Canada punishable by prison time, fines or the seizure of any other guns a person may have and would likely mean a ten year ban on owning any firearms legally if that person did not have a valid federal firearms license which requires renewing every 5 years. However, I doubt the police are going around checking such things. They have much more serious things to do with their time.

[@chumleye1112]

No, holes in them now. I bought one a few months ago from Walmart and have researched it widely. It has the same piston as the 1000 with no hole and just uses a weaker spring. Order a spring online (can't remember the name of the guy in Quebec) but you can order a spring from the 1000 which is heavier and longer. You don't have to change the tophat or anything else, just the spring.

[@helloworld6160]

can you provide a link please :D

[@billgator2005]

just started modding phantom 495fps. don't have a crono but functionally the rifle is noticeably better. 14.3 grain pointed pellet. so 4 10 cent pieces for spring shims(don't have a new spring yet) and super glued a bamboo toothpick in the piston hole(it works and i can drill it out easy). results: prior to tinkering i could only hit a electrical box cover plate with lucky shot at 35+/- ft. that,s the range on the box. now i can hit it every time and, befor etinker it would remoce the rust only, now it dents the plate approx 3/64 inch deep and there is a bump on the opposite side. no crony test but impact wise it has punch already. and it has better trajectory i think based on the consistent target strikes. the gun is already at the limit of the cheeky red dot toy sight. it needs a scope. next mod will be interesting. has anyone messed with the air flow to the pellet? will it help? does crowning the barrel help on these pop guns?

[@BROTUNED]

not to sure about crowning the barrel unless there is a problem with it and if you were to do the crown i would set it up properly in a lathe and it has to be concentric to the bore not the barrels exterior. so it would most likely cost you more than the rifle is worth. and i haven't tried to change the port diameter or shape but it is quite possible that it could effect the pressure curve. but i would have to look into that a bit more scientifically. i'm almost thinking that the port is that size for a reason possibly building a pressure spike. but thats just a guess.

[@crimfobic3153]

Hey RINGET421, great video. I have this rifle and tried this mod. Well, i used the 4min drying JB weld and it didn't last long, so, a heads up on that one. Trying the 24hr dry time JB weld this time. I live in Ontario Canada, i would like to discuss more with you. Is it possible i can pm you with some contact info?

[@hartejgirn6506]

hey is the canadian version still strong enough to kill rats etc? Im from Toronto. Just wondering cuz crossman says it is 495 n it shows about 430 also since its pump does it get weaker in the future

[@BROTUNED]

+Just Gaming it would kill a rat with no problem at all. as for weakening over time I'm sure it might but not enough to matter. all my air rifles get a lot of use and haven't noticed a change. enjoy your air gun

[@BROTUNED]

robert rota you took it apart and there is no hole in the piston? thats strange cause everyone i have taken apart had a hole to regulate velocity. i don't know then i guess your first step in gaining velocity would be to order a main spring and go from there

[@yugolago]

this is exactly what I did. But I order a piston with no hole and a main spring a bit longer then the original (.22) cal. I don't need to tell you I much I increase the fps with this mod.

[@BROTUNED]

i wonder if there is a build date somewhere so we can find out why some 495 guns have holes and some guns down't.

[@hawkeyepierce4635]

RINGET421 I wouldn't think so - Crosman has been trying to figure out a way to keep people from doing this (and other) mods for ages, while keeping costs to a minimum - so far to no avail. The best bet is to just purchase the 500, order a 1000 mainspring & piston at the same time, (if you search around this should total about $170) and just be glad you've got a relatively cheap, accurate & powerful .22 - all without the 'red tape'. Life is all about give and take, & there's a lot to gain here IMO. Oh yeah, & have your PAL and all that fun stuff. :)

[@420BluntOne]

RINGET421 If there is no hole present could you theoretically drill your own? Can you give any help/specs on replacing main spring? I was under the assumption a nitro piston does not use a spring.. i guess i was wrong there. ( sorry posted under wrong thread before... )

[@inspectyerbooty]

+RINGET421 one of the first steps i have heard that a lot of people do to gain velocity is to use a flammable liquid such as light grade fossil base motor oil behind the pellet [dieseling] since synthetics and silicone lube are less flammable. this approach has its own drawbacks none the least of which and especially when there is a hole in your piston LOL however this also leads me to the topic of this video having increased velocity rather unscientifically without stating major facts such as the fact that after assembly there will be excess lube in the compression chamber which will burn at each firing and add velocity so the immediate chrony results are possibly not indicative of real world, lasting increases. my factory new 495phantom.22 did not have a hole in the piston and shot 800feet per second for many shots until the factory lube wore off and then was very anemic shooting under 490fps. this video has definitely added permanent velocity but the large effects listed might well be temporary effects. great video, thanks for sharing

[@dan12345595]

does anyone know if this will work on the benjamin clasic 22

[@peterbeefchicken5237]

Daniel, did you do it yet?

[@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense]

www.ebay.ca/itm/TUNING-CROSMAN-BENJAMIN-TWO-SPRINGS-FAC-360M-S-AIR-RIFLES-Free-shipping/174043065953

[@santosalmeida8762]

very very gul vidio mi fren

[@BROTUNED]

thanks so much

[@XDevilsChariotX]

I just bought this gun recently and took it apart and there is no hole. I'm from Canada and I was totally expecting to see that hole. So what are my options?

[@XDevilsChariotX]

What is regulating the lower FPS, the spring?

[@BROTUNED]

XDevilsChariotX the springs is the main power adder but just plugging the hole gets you near 700fps in 22cal which is awesome and plus its pretty much a free mod. very cheap to do and lets you learn how the rifle works. have fun and stay tuned for more videos. let me know is there is anything you would like to see me test or try. thanks again.

[@BROTUNED]

thats wierd. is it .177 or 22? the next step for you would be to upgrade the spring.

[@XDevilsChariotX]

ringet421 would you know what spring I would need to push me up around 700-800fps and where to get one. Not really sure what I'm looking for when it comes to springs. Just getting into all this mod stuff with air guns. Any help would be appreciated.

[@XDevilsChariotX]

ringet421 sorry forgot to mention its .22cal

[@araseliortiz8228]

Good unit

[@gailbarwise7329]

i meant the standard 495 benjamin trial has a 10 inch long piston to stop full cocking effort. american gun has a 6 inch long piston. allowing full cocking effort

[@BROTUNED]

interesting

[@osaremancat9945]

when I took mine apart I found no hole in the piston. could this be because I'm from Canada

[@frankiesampson2114]

hey bud [e-mail] give mail I'll help you out

[@frankiesampson2114]

hey bud [e-mail] give mail I'll help you out

[@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense]

@@frankiesampson2114 mine is from canada as well and has no hole can you help me out as well please?

[@BROTUNED]

Have to replace the main spring with a heavier one

[@marklong2528]

What spring do i need at vortekproducts?

[@BROTUNED]

the stock spring is 36 coils of .122" wire OD .740" or 18.8mm the vortek custom spring will be 18.5mm X 118w X 35 coils

[@marklong2528]

ringet421 Thx,, I bought gun today at walmart (canada) and no hole in piston

[@davidtseng5565]

I see, they just drill a hole at the front of the piston to let gas leak for Canadian consumers. Is that white plastic the piston seal?

[@BROTUNED]

Yes it is

[@lottolinks6394]

hey is the JB weld still working for you ? has it broke if not please let me now as i want to try this !

[@BROTUNED]

Still going strong I also use jb to bed my long range rifles no issues what so ever

[@lottolinks6394]

thanks for replying!! just curious but if someone mods this to shoot over 459fps without a PAL in canada what is the charge ? fine ? jail time? i looked online and i couldnt find anything about that.

[@BROTUNED]

+reviewsDaily basically you would have an illegal weapon just get your pal it's cheap and easy. and once the pellet gun shoots over 500fps you have to store it as a firearm. nothing wrong with 495.

[@lottolinks6394]

funny guy ;) canada is a bitch man its not that easy. will this mod work with a crossman optimus ?

[@fredrickmann7623]

+reviewsDaily the optimus is basically the same gun, wood stock instead of synthetic, if i remember right

[@ESPhotolicious]

Fantastic, quick vid. I just picked up a Phantom .22 a couple of weeks ago and was planning on ordering a Phantom 1000 resealing kit from ScopesAndAmmo (has the solid valve, new seals, and the beefier mainspring) but I'm curious to see how much "oomph" one can get from these simple DIY mods. Kudos man.

[@BROTUNED]

thanks so much

[@robybyro5435]

A real guy Chanel! Cool

[@BROTUNED]

Yup thanks

[@curtismcpherson4823]

I went to shot and nothing happing and my guns not cocking idk why it’s a break barrel Crosman fire nitro

[@BROTUNED]

That’s strange did you do anything to it?

[@curtismcpherson4823]

I filled the bleed hole with jbl weld and also I went to the hobby store and got a 5 by 8 bearing to make the trigger loser then when I went to shoot nothing happened and it’s also not letting me cock the barrel like how I usally hear it compresses

[@BROTUNED]

That’s strange maybe take it back apart and reassemble it to make sure everything is in it correct location

[@rick31869]

i think a screw screwed in the hole would be best bet with jb weld on it !

[@BROTUNED]

RG AIRGUN NINJA it would add weight so may slow the pistons acceleration down

[@hartejgirn6506]

is breaking it every time hard ?

[@BROTUNED]

+Just Gaming cocking force is the same unless you change to a stiffer spring

[@stevefox3763]

I got all excited when I saw this but I don't think my cs6m22 will have the hole, its the 615fps version for the UK and I'm thinking this is a Canada 495 fps version, there's always adding washers as preload though but I'm gonna wait will o have a chrono to test before and after.

[@sammyhooligan803]

Yea, thats what i was thinking when i seen that "495 fps" number, Canada . I have the Crosman phantom .177. Found it abandoned and in process of restoring it. Hopefully it'll work after i take it test out of city.

[@stevefox3763]

@@sammyhooligan803 i replaced my main spring and got my .22 phantom to 670fps but the recoil is so bad that it severely affects accuracy to the point that hitting something is as likely as with one of those fairground cork guns lol. I still have it but have moved on to bolt action Co2 .22 rifles now which can be tuned to very high levels and have virtually no recoil at all, gas powered rifles are so much more accurate than break barrel spring rifles, they also have much longer barrels in the same package size due to not being break barrel and the breech being all the way back above the trigger which also improves accuracy. You can land a pellet on your previous pellet from quite a distance with gas powered bolt action rifles be they Co2 or PCP because of how accurate they are and having virtually no recoil at all, so quiet with a suppressor on them as well, just a feint puffft from the rifle, they need a suppressor though as without one they make a insane BANG when fired! I have not fired my Phantom in at least a couple of years, i should really return it to stock power and sell it as its literally gathering dust!

[@sammyhooligan803]

@@stevefox3763 Yep, i can see what you mean. I have the Crosman Heritage .22 c02 .22 , rifle , shoots very calmly and accurate being a c02 . Compared to my Beeman breakbarrel .177/.22 combo i also own, i prefer the Crosman co2. Although , Beeman has more power for .22 and .177 the Crosman can shoot high velocity light weight pellets with probably more than 600 fps speeds .. Only thing is cold temperature / weather effects c02 power and breakbarrel preforms with same power . So different situations can be what to choose . I currently restoring an abandoned Crosman .177 Phantom i found recently , taking a little time to get out to test fire it, so far every thing looks ok after cleaning meticulously ,lol. Thanks.

[@stevefox3763]

@@sammyhooligan803 The lightest pellet is not always the best with Co2, its the way Co2 expands allowing a heavier pellet to be pushed to a higher speed where a lighter one would have exited the barrel while the Co2 is still expanding. My Co2 rifles destroy the Phantom on power, even with its more powerful spring, they are modified and tuned and pushing over 700fps with 16 grain pellets. One is running two disposable 12g co2 capsules and only gets about 12-15 shots but the other is running a paintball bottle and your bored before that needs re filling lol. I know what you mean about temperature and Co2, thats what 3D printer bed heating elements and a 12.6v lipo pack are for :D

[@sammyhooligan803]

@@stevefox3763 Yea, i see what your saying. Modification can improve different air guns. I never actually did any to my current and/or past guns, although might try a few basic on my crosman 2240 if it increases velocity,upgrade to steel breech, longer barrel . Anyhow , airguns are fun and a great hobby but, i have to learn more on "DIY" to possibly save on repair because eventually something will need to be fixed /replaced on one or all in future . Thanks.

[@mustafagak2852]

My piston doesn't have a bleed hole I have the crosman phantom .22 at 495 fps but it is the CS5M22 version of the phantom

[@BROTUNED]

Have to change the main spring then

[@mustafagak2852]

RINGET421 speaking of which it was really bent out of shape when I got it and I only purchased it on father's day

[@mustafagak2852]

RINGET421 what model of crosman phantom do you have? I want to order the piston from urs online and see if it works

[@tylerroberts3783]

Definitely wanna try this with my pellet rifle , difficult level ?

[@BROTUNED]

Actually not very hard at all just make sure you keep track of how it came apart. If possible search google or KZbin for your exact guns disassembly video.

[@BROTUNED]

I have a video I just made but coming out Jan 9th where I swap main springs and show the fun disassemble and reassemble with the new spring plus chrony data to show the difference

[@tylerroberts3783]

@@BROTUNED I’ll be tuning in for that one buddy !

[@MrChris-bx7ss]

this is a weak version. are u in canada or something??

[@tylerwatt7697]

+Ammo Man why are you an American

[@BROTUNED]

yep canada

[@gailbarwise7329]

Cut the piston backend off.. but make sure you make a new sear hole.. you have to center punch it with the location of the trigger sear

[@BROTUNED]

have you done this? what kinda gains do you get and what is the reasoning

[@gailbarwise7329]

Its to get the full stroke. Ill have to show you how on video. Ill measure my piston to make sure you don't f... up yours

[@gailbarwise7329]

By the way my name is peter

[@BROTUNED]

Gail Barwise thanks peter that would be awesome.

[@paintslinger2009]

I noticed the hammers come in different sizes lengths for more spring compression crosman phantom has a larger piston witch requires less cocking the optimus has a smaller length hammer to increase the spring tension its noticeably different when cocking its degree when the barrel is broke is much longer of a stroke hope that helps

[@MrMann703]

There was no hole in mine so I shimmed it with a few pennies and that definitely increased the velocity, I don’t have a chrony but the difference in the pellets hitting the steel trap was amazing, before heads were flattened with the skirt still sticking out after completely flat as a dime

[@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense]

what do you mean you shimmed it with pennies? what do i need to do?

[@MrMann703]

Jeff Mackay I took my phantom apart and pulled the spring out, I then placed a stack of pennies (I forget how many, maybe a 1/2” worth) in followed by the spring. I then reassembled it, there’s a video on this channel showing how to disassemble your phantom.

[@chrisneves1274]

Do you have the big piston or the smaller one ?

[@BROTUNED]

Honestly I have no idea what are the dimensions of both?

[@lottolinks6394]

i opened up my Optimus and THERE WAS NO HOLE fuck me.. that was the biggest pain trying to get it back together

[@viper2788]

lmao

[@lottolinks6394]

ya haha so funny fuck you

[@BROTUNED]

reviewsDaily ya it is a pain hope it all worked out for you.

[@phoenixtomlinson7254]

Tried the same thing with a phantom no hole was ready to reassemble and shot myself with it

[@sammyhooligan803]

Just video record it and assemble it backwards. Backwards Assembly ,yea.

[@glenng.8254]

You don't need the crony. I know when mine our working right when smoke comes out the barrel after each shot. They start smoking around 1200 fps.

[@BROTUNED]

Ya but just to know

[@bojanks]

On my Mod Fire smoke comes out the barrel at 460fps.

[@BROTUNED]

Chrony or magnetospeed are the best options to get true velocity #s

[@MrBlah3573]

You are ill informed. That is called dieseling and it isn’t a good thing. Lmao. 700 FPS is where the gun should be.

[@kentwillis8342]

I have a crosman xt storm been looking for modification kits. Do you know of any.

[@BROTUNED]

+Kent Willis no sorry Kent I dont

[@peterhead4365]

If you coned the centre out on the piston on it would give 38% more power

[@BROTUNED]

How does this work

[@peterhead4365]

U need to have assess to a CNC to take from 0.3 of a mil going in would to 0.9of a mil to center ok if this helps it just like doing a rebore on a car

[@metalrott324]

You had the piston sleeve off and it never dawned on you to..... REDUCE ITS WEIGHT??? Drill some slots in the sleeve and you can make this rifle shoot 30grain at 1000fps lol

[@BROTUNED]

Metal Rott that’s awesome I’ll have to investigate this further

[@kyleeric7253]

Message me some of your data would love to try

[@UmarexLessLethalHomeDefense]

can you show me a pic of the piston?

[@johnnywishbone932]

I had a Canadian version it was in a house fire and wasn’t working the best. It has a totally different piston than this one. It’s longer and very thick walled and heavy.

[@kevinhood9781]

I have the same version. I can't remember but I think i cut a little more then 2 inches and re drilled the trigger hole for the catch. I cut a little to much off and had to weld to add more metal for the trigger hole. Think its like 1 7/8 inches your suppose to cut. It shoots about the same speed as the guy in the video. Yes its thick hardened steel. Really hard to drill a hole in it

[@allanshoafrocks]

I have the 2014 version in canada and I saw your video ...tore it apart and guess what??There is no hole in the piston??Now what??Still shoots like a slingshot!

[@BROTUNED]

you will have to replace the main spring if you are looking for higher performance

[@snowyrain5730]

@@BROTUNED is there a part # ?

[@johnnycodemunch9035]

Also A nice Sand on the piston itself add's a few extra FPS i polished mine up on a buffer wheel . Got it shooting through the top steel plate of a power supply. not sure The foot pound's delivered . But like i said before. It kill's rabbits. crows squirrels. hit coyote in the ass n pissed him off so. Don't shoot anything larger than a rabbit at 650-750 FPS.

[@BROTUNED]

i think if you get in close enough it would kill a yote

[@johnnycodemunch9035]

ringet421 Yeaahhh i thought so too. Was about 200 yards away so i think anywhere under 150 with a well placed shot would take him down. Also mind you i wasn't trying to kill him hahaha.

[@BROTUNED]

ya it would have to be luck to cause if you hit a rib that would be the end of the killing power. so it would have to go between the ribs and enter at least 2 to 3 inches and i think it would die back in the woods someplace but i was thinking more like 50 or 60 yards max. not sure what the velocity would be at the 50 to 60 yard mark maybe ill test that out this spring. get a good 50 yard zero then shot through the chrony

[@user-um3xr6pl2n]

humm u should fill the entire piston hole with jb weld , that would give u even more fps like i mean make the whole piston even , u know just like flat pistons in a car will give u more power then piston with holes in them get it make it all flat r close to flat so u get even more compresion in the compresion chamber right lolol easy r get a piston seal with no hole in it that's how they detune air guns ,, well one way

[@BROTUNED]

I don’t know if that would make any difference

[@luisvazquez3703]

order a gamo spring

[@BROTUNED]

custom springs from vortex

[@sammyhooligan803]

Gamo?

[@rick31869]

thread the hole for a machine screw,use a few washers with jb weld and try to make a slight dome ,really rocks ,and put a few washers behind spring to make stronger ! that one is a canadian under 500 fps ,its not the american version !

[@BROTUNED]

yes its the 495 fps model.

[@angelaprestwood1351]

mighty weak shooting rifle you have there my thought

[@davidmoore4663]

bad piston seal

[@davidmoore4663]

Here's a couple of top-notch spring guns in the world hw98 air arms TX200 keep these guns in mind when you're serious about shooting

[@michaelmorgan180]

Best not do this if you live in the uk you will get sent to hell

[@sammyhooligan803]

lol. without a trial,lol.

[@frankiesampson2114]

hey you still around I'm curious about mods for the optimus is that 1000 repair kit gonna really improve its fps

[@BROTUNED]

Not to sure I have never tried that

[@frankiesampson2114]

there's a link below in these comments for a optimus repair kit 1000 I'm just curious if that's a kit that will improve my fps

[@frankiesampson2114]

ok any buddy or forums you could direct me to ? if not or yes thanks for taking the time

[@frankiesampson2114]

ok any buddy or forums you could direct me to ? if not or yes thanks for taking the time

[@BROTUNED]

+frankie sampson all I could say is Google it basically ask the question there if anyone has ever searched that anywhere on the net it should get you there. Thanks for the questions and sorry I could give you more info. have a good one