Aircraft Basics: Using Wing- & Engine Anti-Ice

[@Adam-ur1qw]

These are the types of flight sim videos I want to see more of, great job!

[@spielgespieltDE]

now only missing the deicing video and I am fully ready for the winter. The video clarified some misunderstandings. Great video! ;)

[@Blackbox711]

Yep. Next one in line

[@ramair6424]

Another outstanding video packed full of useful information. Thank you!

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you very much

[@hauer54]

Thanks for the detailed explanation... thank you!

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you for your kind feedback 👍🏼

[@fernandobeduschi1487]

E really like your videos . Very Very good , I was checking my previous company FCOM and my actual company FCOM about Ice Shedding, and maybe you are flying in a more conservative company . My previous company FCOM says 70% of N1 for 5s ( CFM Engine ) My actual company Fcom says “ If ground surface conditions and the environment permit, the flight crew should accelerate the engines to minimum 50 % of N1 at intervals not greater than 15 min. There is no requirement to maintain the high trust settings. In addition, this engine acceleration should also be performed just before take-off, with particular attention to engine parameters to ensure normal engine operation.“ that’s the only difference that I noted. Very good videos !

[@MikeGoe01]

Hello Blackbox! Great video as always! I just have a few questions regarding the use of Wing anit-ice as it is the time of year again to refresh my winter ops knowledge and there are a few things that I am not clear on yet, if you don't mind. It is to my understanding that WAI is not used on the ground, however, is it alright to use WAI on approach all the way to touchdown in severe icing conditions? On a recent flight, ice was accumulating on the icing pin indicator on approach, so I left WAI on all the way to touchdown. During the rollout, I received a Wing A-Ice System Fault on the ECAM which was to be expected but was wondering if that is correct procedure or would one leave WAI off on approach, regardless of icing conditions? My next question is, I understand that WAI is not used for takeoff and that the deicing fluids provide protection until airborne. At what point would you turn on WAI after takeoff, should it be required (after gear up, thrust reduction, flaps zero? etc.) or is there no set rule to when to turn it once airborne? My final question (more of a curiosity) is WAI is not used for takeoff, however, when calculating takeoff performance via the FSLABS AOC PERF REQ menu or through TOPCAT, I can select Engine+Wing Anti-Ice ON. Are there situations where you would turn on WAI for takeoff or does this more have to do with an MEL where a Wing Valve is set to the open position by maintenance? Looking forward to your wisdom. Stay safe! Cheers!

[@g7usl]

More great info from you Blacky. Thank you kindly. Could you consider doing a video please on the 'Chrono' usage and reasons why, please? That is something that I have always been curious about.

[@rentasad]

Kompliment Blackbox - Deine Videos werden echt immer professioneller! Wieder mal hervorragende Arbeit! LG Rentasad

[@Blackbox711]

Vielen Dank 😊

[@MuTicaNVIII]

Thank you very much for your time , amazing explanations and videos.

[@Mr.nikitavinichenko]

Thank you very much for this video. It's very interesting and clear!

[@fretei]

Very good and informativ Video, has wondered about this many times ,, Flyes in Norway.. Thanks

[@essamahmod]

Hi black box I wish u make a video on how to load a flighplan using simbrief and loading it in the company route and which folder and format to use thank you so much for these great videos

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you for the feedback. Good topic indeed to make a video on. The format I can tell you is LIDO.

[@swiss1887]

Vielen Dank für die Lektion. Super gemacht!

[@mrinck]

Great video ! Many thanks for these tutorial videos ! Much appreciated.

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you. Happy you like them.

[@stonemdrmdr8315]

Amazing review

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you very much

[@davey6693]

Thanks BB. Another great video.

[@StephaneSOUBIRAN]

Thank you man.

[@Mach_078]

Great and detailed video, as always.... thanks vm Mr Blackbox

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you very much

[@Wingineer]

Excellent video as always. Thank you.

[@solidwings6388]

Nice video can you please make a video about icing condition during flight preparation ( how to find predicted icing areas in the simbrief flight plan )

[@alu2387]

The A319's time has come!!! :) . It would be awesome if FSLABS had the A320 ready too..

[@tonforr]

Fantastic, thanks

[@legrandblue2267]

Another good performance!

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you 👍🏼

[@최부성-l4r]

Watched video well. thank you for detail knowledge. however, i've one question. anti-icing condition includes the condition that is below 10 temperature although on the ground. but why aren't we needed to switch on the ENG anti ice? Do we switch on when only fog or rain , snow, low visibility , like bad condition although temperature indicator shows below the 10?

[@Blackbox711]

Hi. The definition is at or below +10 degrees Celsius and visible moisture. So if there is no rain, fog, clouds, snow, slush etc. then there is no need for anti ice because there is no moisture to freeze.

[@최부성-l4r]

@@Blackbox711 Thank you for response :)

[@germantobon5498]

By the way the for the runup there is no need to maintain thrust, just only reach 70% and reduce to idle.

[@Blackbox711]

Quoting which airline SOP? Be aware different airlines have different SOPs.

[@Rhinozherous]

Thank you for preparing us for Winter Ops! Do you plan to do a Video about de-icing on ground? Regarding types of fluid, operations and so on?

[@Blackbox711]

Yes. Once I am back from holidays I will do another video. Probably around the 10th of December

[@Avantime]

One question: How do you determine if there is visible moisture with no precipitation, in a moonless black hole-type night? Flash the landing lights? Wave a flashlight over the visual ice probe (or wipers) and check for ice? Just leave it on when you're in the icing/CB zone in a SIGWX chart?

[@Blackbox711]

There is a internal light in the icing pin indicator. On the overhead panel you will find the Standby Compass light switch which also switches on the light for the icing pin indicator. In real life you can also take the flashlight to check for ice.

[@Avantime]

Thanks for the answer! I learnt something new today.

[@keithhodkinson8386]

Thanks for your wonderful insights! I'm presuming (with all aircraft types) that anti-ice affects performance/economy, otherwise you could just leave them on all the time where there was any risk at all? Do you not find IRL that in winter you are constantly having to switch on and off, and is this not a big distraction?

[@Blackbox711]

Hello and thank you. Yes, the engine and wing anti ice systems extract bleed air from the engine compressor. Hence the engine becomes less efficient. In winter time the anti ice System is used a lot however it becomes second nature to switch the systems on and off and so I never felt it being distracting.

[@Ksana_v]

if OAT -40 why should we perform 6 thrust reversers cycles before take off?Thanks BB as always

[@Blackbox711]

We don’t have that procedure. But it probably has to do with moving hydraulic fluid and valves and checking everything works.

[@essamahmod]

Hi Mr blackbox I got a question for you if you don't mind from your experience in the a320 which is more realistic a320 simulator available in the market Thank you so much

[@Dennree99]

hi Ahmed, Blackbox answered this in a stream on Twitch, he thinks that the FSLabs A320-X and A319-X are the most realistic.

[@valentinforveille5962]

Hi captain, can you please share your PTA and REX profile ? It would be appreciated :D

[@lonewolfph21]

Hi. i just want to self study about this airbus and it's system. Any advice where i could start or any study guide? Thanks for the reply and your videos @blackbox711.

[@valentinforveille5962]

Also a question, why do you have 1 pack ON and 1 pack OFF at the beginning of the video ?

[@freshdumbledore7882]

Bei dir sieht der FSLabs Flieger immer so ein bisschen matt bzw. gräulicher und auch klarer aus, als bei mir (Ich hab sie auf High). Hast du da irgendwas eingestellt? Außerdem sind deine ECAM Engine Indications anders, als meine.

[@Blackbox711]

Ich benutze TomatoShade, auch im VC. Daher die anderen Farben. Vergleichst Du evtl. den A319 mit dem A320?

[@freshdumbledore7882]

@@Blackbox711 Ah okay und ja ich habe nur den A320 aber ich dachte bis auf die Größe sind diese identisch?

[@xZise]

Könntest du mit den ECAM Engine Indications sonst auch die unterschiedlichen Triebwerke meinen von IAE und CFM? Bei den IAE Triebwerken steuerst du die EPR (so wie hier zu sehen) und bei dem CFM steuerst du die N1.

[@freshdumbledore7882]

@@xZise Ja das kann gut sein

[@saedidres]

Excuse me Sir; can you please make a tutorial video in which you may explain what is wings configuration; how to choose it appropriately and what its relation to flght performance ?!

[@Blackbox711]

Sorry, wings configuration in what respect? Flap setting? For takeoff or landing?

[@saedidres]

@@Blackbox711 Yes Sir; flaps setting for takeoff please.

[@TheBumblebee481]

Love the vids black box Any reason why you go Fslabs airbus over aerosoft as I just got p3d and need to decide which I go with

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you. Well, I prefer the realism over simplicity. Hence the FSLabs.

[@zacharysylvester8349]

Wouldn't have been able to make this vid with the aerosoft Airbus, I think that sums it up.

[@fggfyygg]

Cool video. What rain/snow effects are you using?

[@Blackbox711]

These are effects available in the FSLabs A319. Soon they will also be available in the FSLabs A320.

[@fggfyygg]

Thanks. What about the snow falling at Innsbruck?

[@Blackbox711]

That is standard P3D with ORBX Innsbruck effects

[@fggfyygg]

Thanks for the information 👍🏻

[@hubermarcelo4273]

Do you request Anti icing fluid on the ground when the temperature is at 10°C and it's raining because I don't see any ice accumulation on the wings

[@Blackbox711]

Don’t confuse the anti-iceing with fluid with the aircraft built in deicing Systems

[@hubermarcelo4273]

@@Blackbox711 I have realized lol

[@Simon-uz7kq]

it may be a dumb question but why dont we use eng anti-ice below sat -40°C?

[@Blackbox711]

Hi. Not a dumb question at all. The reason is that at such low temperatures all the moisture has crystallized and either dropped to lower flightlevels or is in such low concentrations that it doesn’t cause icing issues on the airframe.

[@Simon-uz7kq]

@@Blackbox711 Oh thanks for answering, it seems more consistent to me now.

[@lucasmimicaandias2489]

Do I have to deactivate the autothrust and the autopilot when I'm in LOC? and is the FMGS Approach Preformance with or without ILS used?

[@Blackbox711]

You don’t have to deactivate Autothrust and Autopilot. If you leave them engaged until landing, the aircraft will land automatically. Approach performance page is always filled out.

[@lucasmimicaandias2489]

But there is some cases that Runway dont have ILS, in that cases, how can i Land without AP1

[@Blackbox711]

Then you need to fly an RNAV, VOR or NDB approach. Check my Videos, I also published some on how to fly those.

[@essamahmod]

Hi black box It's me again I have a problem with the Airbus I always get this message T.O config ...test In blue i searched the forums but I couldn't find the answer...what I'm doing wrong Thank you so much in advance

[@Blackbox711]

Try pressing the Config Test button 2 or 3 times. Sometimes it doesn’t register the first press. Otherwise make sure you have set the flaps, spoilers armed, autobrake max and signs on.

[@essamahmod]

@@Blackbox711 Thanks for your kind reply....where is the button???

[@Blackbox711]

The button is on the ECAM control panel below the lower Display

[@essamahmod]

@@Blackbox711 thank you so much and I really appreciate your videos

Hello Do you have some tutorial or something to help me? i bought fslabs about 3 days ago and when i want try go on ground not fuction but when i am in sky is fuction because rudder pedals fuction. I hope you understant. Do you know somewhere in options fslabs get autorudder or something like that because i have aerosoft x and i have this possibility. Thank you

[@Blackbox711]

Du you move the rudder via Keyboard or do you have real rudder pedals?

@@Blackbox711 I just have it what i want thank you

[@bosanac8358]

Do you know How ti fix Datalink company fault on the FSLabs?

[@Blackbox711]

Unfortunately not. Only a Sim restart seems to help

[@flightsim_budy93]

AHHH new BB Video YEAHHAHAHAH

[@frz3505]

Sir , if ice shedding procedure , do we need to do one engine at a time , or we can do both engine at one time

[@Blackbox711]

Both at the same time!

[@frz3505]

Blackbox711 for ice shedding during take off on the runway , when we set the park brake on thereafter set thrust for 70% , do we cut back thrust to idle before set take off power or from 70% straight away set to flex or toga take off?

[@Blackbox711]

Parking Brake is not set for ice shedding procedure. And so after the ice shedding you go straight from 70% to FLEX/TOGA

[@Altenholz]

Meanwhile I have been an enthusiastic Simmer for almost 20 years. The same question I always ask myself is whether these are just work steps and rules that have to be worked through, e.g. with regard to "Icing conditions", or whether there are also real consequences if these are not taken into account. My Majestic Dash 8, for example, packs visible ice on the boots, but if I don't activate De-Ice or Anti Ice, it will crash at some point, or become so heavy that it doesn't climb well anymore - or something like that? I've never let it go :-) Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

[@hrxbex2669]

Bist du IRL ein Pilot wegen deinem Banner?

[@Blackbox711]

Korrekt

[@hrxbex2669]

@@Blackbox711 bei welcher airline wenn ich fragen darf?Warum machst du eigentlich nicht POV reallife landings?

[@Blackbox711]

Bleibt geheim. Es gibt schon genug Reallife Cockpit Vodeos

[@Blackbox711]

Videos

[@fretei]

so just to clarify,, temp ex +8 going true skies during TO, engine anti ice on, + window heat, both off at cruse alt, about -30 and turn on during decent if same condition ??? tore

[@Blackbox711]

Hi. Window heat is always on during flight. When TAT inflight is below +10 Degrees Centigrade and in clouds or precipitation, switch Engine Anti-Ice on. Only exception is in Climb when SAT is below-40 Degrees Centigrade.

[@flywithtb5005]

Do you speak german?

[@Blackbox711]

Yes

[@ehsan83]

Very informative as always. Thank you