Airforce Pilot Flies My Simrig In Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 & DCS

[@seattime4075]

Good to hear his response on how close current sim technology is getting to the real thing (20 years RAAF + 17 DMO myself). In regard to airspeed and stick tension, your likely maxing out early (I use big servos, so not an issue). Can also recommend an active harness, to simulate pulling Gs in a turn...epic. Good time to be simming.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh wow mate that is awesome and appreciate you taking the time to comment. Yea I am actually working on a project to add a motor driven seat belt tensioner to the rig :) I will have a video on this soon. Are you running something like that and what sort of simrig setup have you got? It really is an amazing time to be alive and using these technologies :)

[@seattime4075]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs Just checked my sim and flying level at cruise the 'Aileron and Elevator 'Max force' is sitting around 70% so it has room to increase if you enter a dive etc. If it is already at 100% then the force will not increase. I have the QS-BT1 harness system.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

​@seattime4075 very interested in the Qubic belt tension system. I believe it can tension just one belt at a time is that correct?

[@seattime4075]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs Yes there are two servos inside, so the belts can operate independently/in unison. It also runs off its own software (specifically design for the QS-BT1), so you can configure it separately to your motion system, which is a good thing.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@seattime4075 Hmm...I am very tempted to try this unit out. I did reach out to Qubic to see if they would send me a test unit to review, I might be to small at the moment for them to consider me as they never replied.

[@MarkHyde]

First video I've encountered on your channel and it's AWESOME seeing fellow Aussies as content creators - and this guy is epic - must have been awesome to have the experience and see him deal with the effects of your rig :) New sub - great channel!!

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

OH WOW MATE, Thank you so much for the amazing comments, I really appreciate it. It was the most amazing experience, I have been very lucky to have Andrew test out my equipment on a number of occasions. On that particular day though it was truly incredible. To actually have not just a pilot, but an Airforce Aerobatics pilot that trains new pilots how to fly is simply next level. Again thank you for the kind words and welcome to the Limitless VR & Simrigs channel :)

[@TheGamblingOdyssey-kk5tr]

It would be nice to have the developers reach out to this pilot if he is willing to test the force feedbacks for each of the aircraft and then give it to "data" back to them so they can update the system and we can all enjoy something a little more realistic❤ love the show great job and thanks for all of the work that you put into this.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh mate that would be amazing, who know what the future holds :) Thank you so much for the kind words and awesome comments mate, means a lot more than people know. Thanks for watching.

[@norbertcristia7134]

Great Video Especially with a real pilot Love it , Keep Up the Great Vids !

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Amazing reply mate thank you :) Really appreciate the comments and lots more cool videos to come.

[@IrisSimulations]

Awesome job guys, good to see Andrew having a blast on the PC-21 ;) Keep an eye out for the new update with RAAF colours in.. Let me know if I can help with anything too, might be able to support with some bugfixes.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh wow....thanks for chiming in guys. I am not the most qualified to respond here, however we did notice some things not working as expected, or I should say Andrew did. Will keep an eye out and we will line up another fly. Perhaps we can switch over to email and chat about some of the things we noted. Thanks again for watching :)

[@ALPHARICCO875]

Super Simulateur 🌟 and Super Pilot 👍 Thanks

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Amazing comments mate, thank you so much for the kind words. Thanks for watching mate :)

[@E_Legal_Alien]

American airpower is second to none 🇺🇸

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Some pretty epic planes that's for sure :) thanks for watching mate.

[@mmooney6860]

was very cool thank you

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Welcome mate and glad you liked it :)

[@gizmo104drives7]

Mate I'd love to have a go with that. Iv a moddest setup for sim racing and flight sims and iv been through so many iterations and spent and unbelievable amount of time tinkering and adjusting. Setting up software. Tweaking parameters...Troubleshooting... I can only imagine how long u have spent to set this up!

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Mate if you lived a bit closer we could make that happen :) Yea its been a long time of tweaks and settings, changing this, and changing that to finally arrive at something reasonably stable. I think or me though that is half the fun. playing the games is the cherry on top however keeping it all running and the tinkering is equally as rewarding :)

[@URAZKIVANER]

I think you should make him play this game through VR in 3D with your setup then it would be the closest thing to the real thing 😉 I used to be like you using a curved Super Ultra Wide screen for my sim then I bought Meta Quest 3 and after tried MSFS 2020 first time with it there was no way back to any other setup . Now enjoying it even more with 2024 version 😊🙏

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea as mentioned at the beginning of the video though, he already has a Pimax Crystal and motion rig at his home, we really wanted to have fun using all the new stuff on my rig he had not tried yet. My friend has also flown in my rig before with both the Pimax 8KX and also his Pimax Crystal when t first arrived. So much fun. Thanks so much for the comments and for watching mate :)

[@noahone3923]

If I can make a suggestion. You may already know this and / or its just your personal preference with the motion data but I noticed that you're not using roll and pitch rate as roll and pitch. I can tell because during an aileron roll the rig snaps back to the other side once it passes 180* of the 360* rotation. Same for loops. This is very jarring and unrealistic in my opinion. I don't know what settings you have available to you in your motion software but I use Motion House Motion Gear 4UN actuators with the MHServicer software and under it's "expert" settings there is a selection to set "Use Roll rate as Roll" and "Use Pitch rate as Pitch" this way it will only roll or pitch in direct relationship to the control input, once control input is stopped it returns to level. Even upside down, as long as there is no input on the controls otherwise, if you close your eyes, you will feel perfectly rightside up. That is assuming you roll upside down and let go of the stick. I also noticed that it would hit a clipping point here and there and once the telemetry was back inside its usable range for the actuators, it returns to regular motion, might want to lower your pitch rate a few percent or maybe heave, or both.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Mate this is such a relevant comment and well done for picking up on it. Maybe others have also and just not voiced it though. It is actually one of the biggest points my friend pointed out, that aggressive return in the rig during a roll is really immersion breaking. As I am not a pilot I can easily look past it, but its still a thing. Unfortunately our software from SRS does not have that ability as far as I know? I would someone to chime in and correct me if I am wrong though. Sound like your motion rig and software is pretty awesome if it can mitigate that issue. Thanks so much for the awesome comments mate and for watching :)

[@NuttyGore2039]

If you think the f18 is good in a motion sim with ffb, you'll love the tomcat xD

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh mate I wish we had more time in the rig, I had only just purchased the F4 Phantom and did not get a go to fly it. I will have to purchase the Tomcat though and give that a fly, would make another great video. Thanks for watching and your comments mate.

[@cowboy10uk]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigsoh you have a fantastic experience ahead of you. I think it’s fair to see that Heatblur aircraft has the best FFB in DCS. The Phantom is completely mind blowing, and the Tomcat is very similar. As you’re aware, I also run a Rhino.

[@Darkmouse20001]

Stick force vs speed should be absolute basics for stick FFB.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea it is with the VPforce Rhino and accompanying software. You can tune it further if you want. I actually have a follow up video that goes into detail about the software and how to use it, this was really our first go at the stick and we had a lot to learn: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKjVgHh9mJl8rMk

[@Darkmouse20001]

@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs Good to know! I'm tempted to try a FFB stick.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@Darkmouse20001 Mate it is truly game changing. For most people, if you just add haptics and a force feedback stick you will be so immersed in the game.

[@gizmo104drives7]

Gday mate. Just checking out some motion options. Been back to your old video "the machine" and found the eracing system you use. These motors seem very low cost compared to dbox and similar companies. Any issues with them, limitations? Noise, power etc?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Heya mate, Oh that's awesome news and glad you knew of that video to go back and watch. Honestly the Eracing Labs actuator system is simply mind blowing. I have had zero issues and the power draw is honestly not a concern from my perspective. My brother in law has also purchased a full Eracing 4 actuator system and has exactly the same experience as me. I will get him to chime in here as well and give you his feedback. The only thing I would also add to the shopping list is two good UPS backups, the last thing you want is a power outage and the whole rig slams to the floor. I am running 1 CyberPower 2200VA/1320W UPS for the motion rig, and a second one just for my PC. That way I have covered both bases. The Eracing Labs system is a 150mm of travel which is amazing for flight, lots of motion on the roll and pitch axis plus a massive amount of travel for heave. We have lots of software options now to also run the motion system. Simhub, SRS Studio, plus I am about to review a fantastic new software solution on the market, DR Sim Manager, can find more on that here: docs.departedreality.com/dr-sim-manager I should have my review out on that in the next few weeks. I will compare it to both SRS Studio and Simhub so all bases are covered. If you are pretty handy with building things, you will have no issues putting the Eracing System together. Alex from Eracing is the main contact and has always been excellent to deal with. You will be blown away with that system mate. I have been running mine fro over two years without a single issues now. I am also about to build and make video on a seat belt tensioner that uses the same actuator motor, 3D print some parts and then the software will do the rest. The Eracing labs system, with the Thanos controller that you will also get with the package is able to control the seatbelt tensioner as well :) The system makes very little noise, you could very easily play this without disturbing people, of course the games you play will increase the noise but is marginal. Is is honestly the most amazing upgrade you will make, it will completely transform your whole sim experience. Plus with the Simhub software being able to provide audio to drive the actuators, the need for buttkickers is not as great, plus is brings a sort of motion feeling to games that don't actually have any native telemetry for motion if that makes sense. If you do end up purchasing one I will be here to help if you get stuck with anything. Both my brother in Law and I have come across little gremlins over time that we have resolved so happy to help with any niggles or question you might have. If you have any other questions just ask mate :) Oh and if this helps get you over the line. My Airforce mate Andrew that I did the video on in the rig, he already has a rig with the Next Level V3 seat mover. Once he moves back to Aus in a little while he is going to be building pretty much the exact same setup that I have, and using Eracing Labs motion system. I think that speaks volumes to how good it is. Blew his mind how amazing my setup was to fly and drive in. Plus with the Thanos controller you can upgrade down the track to also have traction loss and surge. That's pretty much what Andrew will be building, my damn room is to small for that at the moment. Again mate, any questions you have just ask :)

[@gizmo104drives7]

@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs dude thanks for that mega reply. Lots of stuff to learn and ponder while I dicide what I want to achieve and how I can pay for it. Software is a part I haven't even considered yet so that video would he interating. The hardware and the many options and ranging prices is where I'm at currently. It will be a year if not more before I can form out for any of that. Thanks to the pimax super it may be even longer! I checked put the h3 and h6 from dof reality and although they look decent I have a lot of stuff on my rig and direct drive etc. It just looks flimsy. But the 6 degrees is itchin at me man... it may be the case I just get that and use just for flight sims as my racing enthusiasm has significantly dwindled over the last year or so. Thanks again for your input il no doubt be spending much longer going through comparison video etc for the next months. Come across GYGO channel lately aswell thanks to pumax so il be chiming in there too. There's not so much information out there about building your own but I'm definitely capable of hands on stuff and building it sounds actually kinda fun! Thanks again, take it easy

[@davo733]

Is there any possibility you'll get the chance to compare the Rhino to the Moza AB9?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Mate this is such a relevant comment. I had actually reached out to Moza and this was their exact reply below, its a shame as I really want to review them both. I have a Patreon setup and if anyone wants to contribute to the channel I would put that towards buying the base outright. Would be cool to even do a giveaway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Thank you for reaching out and for your interest in testing and reviewing our products. Currently, we have a limited supply of MOZA Flight samples, so we aren’t able to consider collaborations at this time. However, we will keep your information on file and reach out when we have more samples available in the future. Best Regards, Marketing Specialist | MOZA Racing Marketing Shenzhen Gudsen Technology CO.,LTD [e-mail]

[@liamyt2029]

Can I ask what eye/face tracking you use on the rig?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Running the Tobii 5 Eye tracker.

[@liamyt2029]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs thanks man, seemed so smooth!

[@CocoDave37]

Did your mate Andrew fly with us at the 801st in FalconAF and DCS around 2009-2010? If yes, let him know Coco and Shad says hi :)

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Hey mate I checked with him, no he does not think that was him. He says hi anyway though :) Thanks for watching though.

[@bublebuble2004]

what eye tracking do you us ?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Tobii eye tracking mate.

[@bublebuble2004]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs cheers I could not see any reflectors lol I must be using the old old version

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@bublebuble2004 Yea the new Tobii tracker just has infrared sensors so you don't need anything on your head like the TrackIR. I am using the Tobii 5 tracker.I have never used the TrackIR unit, although I have read good things about those as well.

[@chaadlosan]

I don't want to know the price tag of that.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Either does my wife hahaha. I guess compared to other hobbies I have had over the years this one is pretty cheap. Plus you can start small and slowly build on the rig over time :)

[@RSProduxx]

Still the thing I absolutely regret the most in my life: Not trying to become a pilot (helicopter or plane) during my time of duty ... But yeah, always smarter in hindsight :)

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh mate so do I, I had some great opportunity early in life to become and Aircraft Engineer and follow in my Grandfathers footsteps. I am just grateful we have this amazing technology available these days, Man I am living my childhood dreams in this damn simrig now hahaha. Mate regardless, if you have served our country or your own, you have done an amazing thing in life already :) Thanks for watching mate.

[@RSProduxx]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs Absolutely, simming is the next best thing, very greatful for this invention :D Enjoy your rig, very nice. :)

[@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi]

wonder how it wpuld go with fs2024. Not that i reccomend it. hating it.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

I have a few videos already on my channel with 2024 😊

[@Fiztex553]

No offense, but it appears like money is a bit in a wrong place. Rhino is a joke compared to FFBeast stick+rudder set. I can only imagine his face if he actually felt the forces on the the stick he used to and FFB rudder, and all that in VR. FFBeast set is not that expensive and definitely makes sense for a sim pit of this level, people are paying more for the monitors alone.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@Fiztex553 none taken. Roam wasn't built in a day. All in good time, these other brand peripherals like the FFbeast will eventually be purchased, tested and reviewed on my rig. Until then, be grateful for what I'm able to provide for your viewing.