AIRGUN LONG DISTANCE HYPE ?

AIRGUN LONG DISTANCE HYPE ?
We discuss long distance shooting with modern air rifles are they more hype than reality ?

[@MountainSportAirguns]

Shooting paper is one thing, shooting at live animals is another. Being consistent is difficult the further you go, one reason you rarely see me hunt past 150..not worth it to look cool. Good points, enjoy the videos 👍

[@ShootingTargets727]

Mountain thanks for taking the time. Yea for me 150 to 165 yards seems like the max and where the rounds break down and consistency really goes to hell fast. I like your videos keep up the great work !

[@birddogg3270]

I think people have real rifle expectations out of an air rifle. Arguably air rifles can often out shoot powder burners at 25-50 yards but 100+yards just doesn’t carry the speed and weight. Like you mentioned about .223, triple the speed of most airguns better bc etc . Add in ethically taking small game accurately at 200 yards. I used to shoot archery and you’d hear guys say they were taking 100 + yard shots at deer also. Shooting targets at far distances , ok fun . Injuring game at insane distances not cool:

[@ShootingTargets727]

Amen…. Yep… the new guys into airguns might not know better. I shot archery as well and it was always drilled into us 1 to 40 yards anything more was really pushing it. Thanks for watching and the kind words.

[@robertpiontkowski2164]

I agree with you both!! I’m not trying to make long shots at a live target and take the chance on wounding it. I learned at a very young age from archery it takes more skill and patience to get as close as possible to take the perfect shot and I find I’m enjoying the challenge it takes to get there using my lower powered airguns. Just look at our friends over in the U.K they’ve been doing it for years!!! Good video! 👍🏻

[@ShootingTargets727]

@@robertpiontkowski2164 Yes, those 12 FPE shots are pretty amazing. I like watching them work the art of a 8.4 pellet only going 800 fps. Thanks for watching.

[@stedyone1090]

Past 50 yards I hate the wind. Was shooting new Zan 56gr pellets in my SKOUT EPOCH today at 100 yards. Pellets do not like any wind. LOL

[@ShootingTargets727]

Yea at 220 yards with a 15MPH it is like a joke all over the place ...... Also thansk for watching and sharing.

[@226eagleeye]

Eye opening video. Amazing what happens when that wind kicks up.

[@Oregon-airguns]

Ok. 49.5 Altaro slugs 920fps out of my .25 Vulcan 3 has definitely changed the long range game for me. They really handle the wind much much better than your traditional slugs. Was hitting a 6inch gong at 500 yards the other day. I’m beyond impressed. Of course they are crazy expensive…..

[@ShootingTargets727]

Wow good to know ! That is a long range my man.

[@pm_ind5572]

Very rightly brought out the very basic, practical and pleaaure aspect associated with air gunning. People going crazy... spending thousands of $$.... hallucinating themselves as a WWII sniper. The over hype of hitting at long and longer distances is taking away the mental peace and pleasure of air gunning.

[@ShootingTargets727]

Hey thanks for watching, commenting and the sub. Yep, we can kind of loose focus on this sport. Long range is the hot topic.

[@peterchamplin8767]

I think part of what makes long range air rifle shooting with smaller caliber interesting is learning to do proper wind holds. Seems like competitive air gun shooting are figuring out how to get out to some impressive distances. Just not super ethical to hunt at those ranges.

[@ShootingTargets727]

Yep, agree.. 12 FPE at 100 yards is really challenging and fun with just the slightest wind. That said .177 at 300 is fun but not really practical. Thanks for watching !

[@AirgunRegulator]

@@ShootingTargets727 Is not need .308 caliber, just have the right slugs with hi BC in .22 or .25. Just by the way, the .223 in the airgun ATP Super King 66gr is already very close to the BC G1 0.3 : kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmW3gWVorZaDoZo

[@ShootingTargets727]

@@AirgunRegulator I been watching this closely. Anyway you can pull any strings to get me the M24?? Lets chat because I been trying to get the slugs and rifle but cant get them sent to me. Well I can get the ammo but it has to be sent with some pretty heavy shipping taxes. So please reply back because I am very interested in this.

[@AirgunRegulator]

@@ShootingTargets727 unfortunately, until we have an agreement to send the airugn via UPS, if we have no way to get the rifle to the US, but negotiations continue and perhaps already in the right direction. But if you are able to get about 250 m/s and load, for example, ATP Queen .25, then their BC is already sensibly high even for shooting, say 300-400m . With ATP Smooth .25 is aslo posiible get about 300m in wind.

[@3556Danny]

Thanks for another honest simply explained vid on long range shooting. :)

[@ShootingTargets727]

Danny thanks for commenting and watching !

[@peteralexben]

short version ,we need airguns that group 1 inch at 100 meters or less ,anything at more distance we need a powder burner ,airguns in 22 never get near a 22-250 cal

[@ShootingTargets727]

Lol sounds about right !

[@motorgearhead]

I will add the Texan is prone to barrel leading. I use a very tight cotton patch and hoppes bench rest #9 solvent. Note: i would not recommend for use in anything other then the Texans as the barrel are free of o-rings. I’m not sure if this solvent is safe in rifles where air enters the rifle’s barrel through a transfer port! For what it’s worth, it seems the leading was worse on the Rifle was new than it is now. Also, the barrel will require 10-15 shots to re-season after a thorough cleaning. Cleaning does make a huge difference in consistency with these Rifles.

[@ShootingTargets727]

Thanks again !

[@DropDieter]

Yeah quite simple: if you want to kill, do it properly deadly, if you're out having fun, do it safe and set those personal records! Thanks for sharing some insight on how those guns perform in Nebraska. Good video!

[@ShootingTargets727]

You bet thanks !

[@kickassvideos5469]

5:02 "on a island there is no wind blowing", do you know how islands work? the wind on a small island or coast blows always harder because the wind can travel freely over the water without obstacles before hitting the coast/island. The wind on the panthera video was legit, thats why you hear the guy in the beginning of the video saying "if i hit it we are going" and he refered to when he will hit the can he will start filming, and than he shoot the cans without much time inbetween the shots. Which tells me they did not hit everyshot and once they hit a test can they know the wind and shoot real quick 4-5 times on a can before the wind changes to much and they would have missed. Also check out the Video "What is Mach Trimming? In Depth Discussion with Bryan Litz (22LR Breakthrough)" from the youtube channel Ultimate Reloader, there he is interviewing a scientist who does work for lapua or the government to calculate and research projectile trajectories etc. and he mentioned that with .22lr and airguns you will start missing after 220-250 meters because the G1 and G7 drag model everyone uses for calculation will start to be inacurate.

[@ShootingTargets727]

ahh that makes sense, I do the same, If i know its going to go and the faster the better in shooting to get say 1 to 5 shots really quick. Thanks for the insight.

[@garymurray5361]

Dabbled with higher power, larger ammo and calibre. I soon got bored and poorer. The smaller calibre, for me is more enjoyable, no brute force, reading the wind etc. As a old FT colleague once told me, treat the wind as a friend, it will educate you. Life and learning.

[@ShootingTargets727]

lol, very good advice no doubt....

[@ShootingTargets727]

Also thanks for watching....

[@precisionairgunninghunting6265]

Thanks for another great video. I have no issues with long range, like you, in my part of the world it seems to be windy every day, normally 10-15mph. But I enjoy the challenge & i have no issues out to 150yds, if I have a target at that range I hit it, if I don't I investigate why. My gripe are those daft fools who post a slow mo of 300yds let say, but the laws of physics clearly show it's closer to 100yds 😂 when you question them they vanish, even some big company sponsored KZbinrs blatantly lied about range. One made me laugh, claimed 100yds, so as he walked i counted his steps, 85, but he shuffled, a Jack Russel dog had a longer stride 😂

[@ShootingTargets727]

Hey thanks for watching and I do kind of question some of these ranges lol...

[@motorgearhead]

The Texan in .308 has been wonderful! My rifle under normal condition will print consecutive groups of well under 1.75 MOA (untethered) @ 200 yards. Think tuna can size groups at 200 yards. Most of my videos of 200 yard shooting has been untethered. Tethered I’m not sure what the .308 is capable of at 200. Simple unregulated tethering on a good day prints 1.08 MOA using my cast Lee 120’s at 100 yards. I’ve heard the .257 Texan is the best long range platform but I’ll brag on the .308 based on what I’ve seen & done. Plus putting 175-210 fpe in target at 200 yards is kind of special when compared to non-big bore competitors.

[@ShootingTargets727]

Nice what speed are those lee 120s running ? Thanks again for watching ? Also forgot are you running an LSS or texan ss ?

[@motorgearhead]

@@ShootingTargets727 - the lees run 965fps with wheel weight lead. Pure lead will add 15-20 fps velocity - the rifle is the standard 34” non suppressed model. Tune is 3000 psi and just past the 4 line on hammer preload. Most videos I have include fill pressure & hammer preload for what I’m shooting

[@motorgearhead]

If you try light lead (65-70 grn) try 1800-2000 fill and no hammer preload.

[@motorgearhead]

Avs & nsa in 65-75 grn weight shoot pretty well.

[@ShootingTargets727]

@@motorgearhead will do thanks for the info !

[@solidname7839]

Shut up you're not supposed to tell us the truth ! *Sob *Sob

[@ShootingTargets727]

lol............ thanks for watching....

[@sonan7216]

Please, on a light windy day, would you be so kind as to do group tests at 100m with the Vulcan 3, thank you

[@ShootingTargets727]

You bet, which caliber you thinking ? also thanks for watching.

[@sonan7216]

5.5 gauge, thanks.

[@Oregon-airguns]

Every one of my AGT’s are capable of 300+ yard shots, I shoot birds over 200 yards every week. But I absolutely miss more then I connect over 150 yards, and anyone that says other wise is full of it. Wind is definitely our biggest enemy! Yes I have killed birds, squirrels out to 350-390 but there’s alot, i mean A TON of luck involved.

[@ShootingTargets727]

Hey thanks for being honest... How many AGTs do you have ? curious about the .177 version as well.

[@Oregon-airguns]

@@ShootingTargets727 3 of them but no .177 unfortunately I was thinking about picking one up until I seen they are coming out with a .457! Soo probably going to grab that instead lol! But a .177 with a 500mm barrel would be a sweet truck gun!

[@Alex-oy6wb]

Are AEAs accurate?

[@ShootingTargets727]

I think pretty accurate for what they are. I reviewed a super light weight AEA rifle. It was not too bad for what it was intended to be used for.

[@Alex-oy6wb]

@@ShootingTargets727 hope you review their semi

[@chrisfigueroa3361]

Interesting video yeah man for me when i shoot my taipan vet long 25 cal shooting 33 - 40 gr slugs at 200 yards for some reason i get a alot of spin drift same thing with my fx impact mk2 25 700mm from 930 fps to 1000 fps like 6 " to 2 feet ' left or right i dont know why wind maybe or barrel but when i shoot fxm3 22 cal 700 shooting 30 - 36 gr slugs at 995 to 1000fps at 200 yards in the wind its dead on not all the time but most of time when i first got the gun it was perfect i finally got it back shooting good again 😮 i dont know if i got a good barrel or what i remember i was shooting a dove at 200 yards and i was hold for wind it was about 10 to 15 mph with some gust 10 moa to left i miss then i held 5 moa left i miss then i held dead on i hit the dam bird with 33 gr zan slug the old ones my gun doesn't like the new zan they make now go figure lol but i was like what its crazy but my 22 cal 700mm and 800mm can out shoot my 25 cal all the time at that range i wish zan would still make the old dark looking slugs they used to make .... imo i think 22 cal slugs cut through the wind alot better its just my opinion or my gun i have not shot any other long range pcp just the ones i own taipan fxmk2 25 fxm322cal i hava a ati nova Vista 22 cal its shooting 22 gr hybrid slugs at 955 fps about 1 inch one half gruops at 100 yards on a good day haven't shot it pass that yet ....Im sorry for the long rambling comment i just got excited about your content thanks for sharing bsafe buddy 👍 cant wait to see you make a video shooting long range with those new guns you got ty

[@ShootingTargets727]

Yep, i scratch my head at those long ranges with any wind and a pellet/slug with low BC. I just kind of give up. Though will be shooting heavier more BC friendly slugs here in a bit.