Greetings from Buenos Aires. Actually, in a couple of days I´ll be buying the .177 version of that SENECA ASPEN (Nova Frredom) rifle. As you say, I use springers and single shot multi pump rifles / pistols for paper taret shooting; hence I don´t want to spend "fortunes" in a traditional PCP. Guess it´ll work fine since I won´t stress it. Regards.
@dannyboy48052 күн бұрын
Nice information indeed. Well, digital scopes are fine for certain applications, not a "do it all". They are digital, and they can fail in certain circunstances. Until now, the military don´t use it and they have their reasons for it. I found the best solution for me. A good day scope with a decente glass + a night vision rear Clip-On from Pard with a LRF. Get your ballistic data for your ammunition, and stick turret tags on your scope turret for estimated distances and fast aquisition of targets. With this set, you can have a night vision for hunting and a reliable day scope for any task you want without spend $$$$ of money. Just my 2 cents.
@ryanb66588 күн бұрын
Deer are minimum 25 ft lbs
@ShootingTargets7277 күн бұрын
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@kluper115715 күн бұрын
Try The Apollo 33 Gr Slugs are Awesome 25 cal Talon ss
@ShootingTargets72714 күн бұрын
Will give it a try.
@despraterado58816 күн бұрын
My M3 keeps switching between 0 and + 1 mil. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with are temperature and humidity and barometric pressure and all that. It's always off by exactly 1 mil elevation at 25yds
@ShootingTargets72716 күн бұрын
hmm stange yea i mean i have heard that the barrles and supporting barrel supports can heat up and move impatct. Some percision shooters noticed this as well. They noticed if the gun heats up on 1 side in the sun an it is cold it willl throw off the impact fyi
@crusader427317 күн бұрын
I just purchased the Condor SS in 25 cal. Looking forward to getting her dialed in. Excellent platform for the price point. A true tack driver !
@226eagleeye23 күн бұрын
The ballistic calculator on this is amazing. I just bought one and I like it.
@ShootingTargets72722 күн бұрын
nice to hear... Thanks for sharing !
@MrMann70324 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video I think I made the right choice. I recently ordered the Hatsan Sortie tact .25 version, I have a portable compressor I bought for my Airjavelin pro that fills to 4500 psi, but for the sortie I will be hiking and wanted something easy to carry with me so I just ordered DOT 98ci/1.6L 4500psi carbon fiber paintball tank with a dual gauge valve. Thank you for the video, I have lots to learn, but it'll be fun learning
@ShootingTargets72722 күн бұрын
Nice thanks for sharing !
@Light_35727 күн бұрын
This is my take in a nutshell after being very disappointed by digital. If you are going to be doing a lot of night shooting/hunting by all means go digital with an ir light. They look pretty darn good at night and are very affordable. If you are buying digital to primarily use during the day take that money and invest in really good glass. It will look 1000000x better than digital. Most of these decked out digital scopes are 6-700 bucks. You can get damn good glass in a regular scope for that. It will blow digital out of the water in clarity. If you mainly just shoot targets especially paper avoid digital at all costs. As you zoom them in to get precision groups the clarity gets shittier and shittier. For daytime use they just don’t hold a candle even to moderately priced glass.
@ShootingTargets72726 күн бұрын
Agree totally. I mean its a thing where if you do a majority of shooting at night or want to record you shots for later without hassle of strapping something into an optical scope. But Fine good glass is so hard to beat during the day. Thanks for sharing that.
@Light_357Ай бұрын
What would be super helpful is when using the auto mode if the computer would tell you the voltage and dwell it was using once it settled into that speed. That would give the user a great base to start from a make small tweaks to find the ultimate tune. This concept is so elementary yet slid right past the designers. Almost like they don’t really want you tuning it.
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
I Know, i voiced those opinions as well ! It is kind of flying blind sometimes....
@surreallife777Ай бұрын
Confused! I've been saying this for quite a while now which is that understanding calibers, slugs vs pellets, grain weights soft lead slugs hard lead slugs Etc in terms of understanding accuracy and penetration energy / fpe is difficult to understand. About a year ago I had the understanding that shooting a 25 caliber pellet compared to a 30 caliber pellet, the 30 caliber would have more penetration energy/FPE when shooting in an object. Then I saw a test shot with a 25 caliber pellet and a 30 caliber pellet through Pinewood and ballistics gel and the 25 caliber actually did more damage and penetrated deeper than the 30 cal which surprised me. This was shot at anout 20 yards but again this test result could have been different at 50 or 100 yards. It seemed to me that it was conclusive that when you're shooting slugs you're always going to get more energy and penetration as compared to a pellet but your test results don't show that unless possibly the slugs were of a softer lead in your test compared to the pellets. That's another thing to consider when doing penetration tests. I think that if you're shooting a 25 cal slug and a 25 cal pellet of equal grain/weight with the same gun and the lead used in the pellet and slug is equal in terms of hardness, the slug is still going to penetrate more than the pellet. What's your opinion? Sincerely Confused
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
Yea so many variables. I will say many times when we try to get an answer we must take into consideration all the variables. Soft Lead, hard lead, BC of the object vs weight. Diameter of the object and the subject it is penetrating into. I wish I could give you an answer but there are so many factors that it really does depend. So one example is Pellets VS SLugs on say a sparrow. My believe is that the pellet expansion puts more energy on the little bird than a hard nosed slug. Both the projectiles go through the little sparrow but the pellet being soft can spread out more and mushroom impacting more energy on the bird vs a solid slug and no expansion. So things get really weird. Then we have BC where the pellet slows down alot more on the way to the bird so it does not have as much power when it impacts the bird. So wow hard to say all things have to be considerd on a case by case bases. Hope this helps.
@surreallife777Ай бұрын
@@ShootingTargets727 Yes. Thanks for getting back to me.
@ArcanusLiberoАй бұрын
The best metric of lethality was established by the U.S. Army before WWII. If you can meet those metrics you have a reasonable expectation of lethality…
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
Hey can you share any of that info in a link ?
@ArcanusLiberoАй бұрын
@ It has been in my head for 35 years. You could probably get pieces of it from various army field Manuel’s. Try Improvised Munition Manuel, Sapper Manuals, Old WWII Manuals, the FBI website may have it. Sorry, it is a lot of info destined to be lost forever because I have never seen it online.
@silly800ifyАй бұрын
Sock I bought a marlin sixty barrel on ebay and machined it down to fit inside my talent p, and i'm getting great results
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
Nice looking forward to the results.
@tomsanjoa1Ай бұрын
first know the speed likes the ammo and barrel, when you know that must look the stabilization considerating the hammer tention and valve pressure, you have to know how match presure need to get the speed with the less hammer spring tension. that way you minimize the spread. if you have the rigth speed for you ammo and barrel with minimun spread and you have balance the ammo and clean it you can have smallest group posible. one over other in seventy meters with slugs.
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
ahh thanks for sharing.
@recklessjunkieАй бұрын
Please come back 😢
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
ahh i got a small video should be out shortly. Good to hear from you my man !
@ChetJangАй бұрын
How many different sizes are there in the threaded necks of the tanks? I bought a nice one, but the threaded insert was around 1.5 mm too large for the tanks. The old regulator has multiple leaks. It measures 0.618 inches, so I think it takes a 5/8 regulator. I have my own SCUBA compressor, so refills are easy for me. I do use SCUBA tanks for lower pressure.
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
Sorry cant answer that one, but I feel your pain. There are so many little connectors and hookup pieces ahh frustrating and expensive. to get the right connections some times.
@Chris_the_MusoАй бұрын
I worked for one of the biggest specialty compressed gas suppliers for a few years, coming to that from a related trade speciality. While they did have some of the carbon fiber wrapped cylinders for some applications (ie portable medical oxygen bottles) they phased them out because of the short service life. I think I'd avoid them if possible, but I note that some gun manufacturers may be using them because of the weight considerations. If I had a choice of two rifles and one had a carbon fiber cylinder and the other was an alloy cylinder, I'd take the one with the metal cylinder every time. I also note that the maximum supplied pressures for many industrial bottles is 200 bar. HPA (high pressure air) is often sold at 250 bar. There's a damn good reason most manufacturers recommend 200 bar charges and not higher, but if you're running a bottle system it requires charging those to higher pressures to charge your PCP rifle. It's a case of the more you know, the more terrifying it becomes. Here's a heads-up from someone who has worked in this industry. All certified cylinders are marked with some very specific information: Capacity (liters), weight (empty, minus valve), date of manufacture/first test, manufacturer and serial number, test pressure rating (ie max safe pressure which is about 50% higher than the recommended working pressure) and container material (DOT 3A for steel, 3AL for alloy) Regarding the 3A numbers, it's more complicated than this but not worth going into here. 3AA is steel with higher tensile strength, I've seen up to 3AAX eg " DOT3AAX2560". Your guide needs to be the stated working and test pressures, not the material as such which is more of an engineering concern. The most likely failures are the cylinder falling over and snapping the neck off the regulator (instant bottle rocket) or the whip splitting or having a fitting come off. I'm not sure if the name "whip" isn't some kind of attempt at dark humour. Catastrophic failures are very rare, but have the potential to be life changing.
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
Thank you for your information. I really mean that. I know what you mean by the more you research the scary it goes. I been accused on this video of being overly dramatic. Well, again, it could change or end your life if you are somebody messes up. Some of the cheaper airguns that have 5000 psi in the guns and you put your face next to the tank really make me scared hey, you know but to each their own.
@donham512Ай бұрын
great food for thought ... will have to try it out ... i need to find a method that does not use so many slugs
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
No doubt so much time involved right ?
@nardusellis655Ай бұрын
Diving bottle cheap and effective...pcp equipment over priced....!!! There is cheaper ways....!!!!
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
Yea, sadly if you can get buy on lower PSI that is the way to go as the pcp tanks are expensive.
@ScrotalsbySackingtonАй бұрын
With slugs you have to swab the barrel after every different slug. They lead the barrel 10x faster than pellets. I figured out slugs the same way. Started with 12 in .25. There were 2 clear winners. Using a dreamline tac, with dual plenums, Huma tuning reg, Huma 11.5gr tungsten hammer and 12.5% increased tension hammer spring, dual hole hi flow huma TP, running 119bar 66% micro, 15 on the 23 position cam wheel or 'power wheel', Max TP, and superior 1:16 slug barrel. 600mm/.250 Clear winners at 840 all the way to 950 were H&N .250 30gr HP slugs, and Zan 30gr new style cup base slugs, the original ZAN flat dish base worked very well too .. but 1moa vs .6moa. The H&N were doing single hole. And I do mean single hole not jagged hole at 30y. 1 ragged hole at 60. H&N 30gr at 880fps . 51fpe. Has 35fpe at 150 yards. Just because I can go another 70-80fps doesn't mean I should. At 862-885 my results were freaking insanely good. That's what I'm running with. My point. Was to acknowledge this man is absolute right, the less precision tuned the real barrel/harmonics matched projectile will shine.. anything thats not doing less than 1moa at 25-35. Toss em. Rule of thumb. Take your 25y group and multiply by 4.. if you're okay with those expected results at 100y. Keep it. But, adding. METICULOUSLY CLEAN YOUR BARREL AFTER EVERY PROJECTILE . Shoot 3 or 5 into the ether after clean to season the barrel and continue.
@Benjamin-nm4jdАй бұрын
Great comparison, as far as noise level goes (spring pinging noise and muzzle bark), is the .30 significantly louder than the .22? How does the noise compared to something something like the FX Impact MK2/MK3?
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
THe fx is much more reserved in the ping and humming. There is a anti-pinger that you can install. The gun is built heavier. Id say its close to the FX impact but you will notice it is louder to shoot next to year ear for sure.
@Thefamily-e2lАй бұрын
Such a good video! Thank you so much. Im just ordering all this stuff and there is a lot more to it than i ever would have anticipated. You have made me aware to some of the dangers and i really appreciate it. Subscribed!
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
You bet take care !
@Thefamily-e2lАй бұрын
Very helpful video, thank you brother!
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
No thanks for watching !
@health44302 ай бұрын
this is why i use crossman red flight it penetrate way harder than any lead and since it has no skirt on the back it doesnt slow down even at 100 yards
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
I will look into the crossman
@health4430Ай бұрын
@@ShootingTargets727 it doesnt deform or expand like lead pelet and i noticed at 30 joules muzzle energy it made clean hole through metal spoon where heavier normal pellet at 40 joules energy still couldnt made hole through spoon since they just deform so much too much surface area so im assuming thats why it cant penetrate
@WillyK512 ай бұрын
Can You switch precharged PCP tanks in the field??
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
Yes in a pinch. You have to be careful because sometimes it blows out the washer/rubber gasket. These sadly are not made to be taken off too many times.
@WillyK51Ай бұрын
@@ShootingTargets727 I was looking more for a rifle with interchangabeable tanks, for a long hunting trip, and carry a spare or 2 in the backpack. Thanks👍
@ShootingTargets727Ай бұрын
@@WillyK51 Thanks !
@rickgomm74322 ай бұрын
Price rise how much are we talking for an fx 9mm
@ShootingTargets7272 ай бұрын
ahh probably al0t more ....
@fernandog.aguirre27912 ай бұрын
Yup! I spent $2,000 on my panthera, not even 500 rounds and broke already! ....WTF, I'm in Hawaii so expensive to ship it back and repair! Never again!
@ShootingTargets7272 ай бұрын
Ouch man, yea in Hawaii is a rough place ... Thanks for contirbuting to the video.
@CasaPescayMas3 ай бұрын
For all you talon p and condor users these pcp like .294 in 34 h&n hp 2 , talon p moves them at 848 fps AND my condor ss moves them a 976 no adjustment needed
@ShootingTargets7273 ай бұрын
Hey thanks for sharing this info !
@Wickedstickyflowers3 ай бұрын
Can you increase pressure with out Never mind
@ShootingTargets7273 ай бұрын
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@jgbelmont3 ай бұрын
ALL!
@ShootingTargets7273 ай бұрын
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@anoniem76963 ай бұрын
I got a huben GK1 for home defense and 350 bar max loaded up, google said If it would have a small "Defect" It can blow up my house and is fatal in a 20 meter range so that is not true ? Its making me paranoid.
@ShootingTargets7273 ай бұрын
yea that is only natural... I mean it is like 4500 psi and more. I just am paranoid always be safe my man.
@jb37573 ай бұрын
Definitely prefer AGT, they make the best high-end guns in my opinion: 1) Robust 2) Precise 3) Practical (No bare metal around the action, no angled gauges ready to crack, etc...) 4) They look great especially the Uragan, not too thick, not too thin, more like slim-thick 5) Surprisingly low priced for what they give you.
@ShootingTargets7273 ай бұрын
no doubt !
@garynasrallah87103 ай бұрын
Im not to sure about the 1" groups at 100 yards out off any airforce gun I'd have to see it
@ShootingTargets7273 ай бұрын
no doubt.. i am curious ...
@r.echadwick60383 ай бұрын
Your 12 FPE PCP or springers may be suitable for paper targets and birds at close range, but they are not adequate for hunting game that requires a higher FPE. The regulations for the necessary Foot Pounds of Energy (FPE) for hunting various game species are typically established by individual states. These regulations are in place to ensure that hunters use appropriate equipment for humane and ethical kills, not determined by PCP manufacturers. Be careful the message you're sending.
@pipemadness4 ай бұрын
Great tutorial video! Thank you! So I have a 74cu CF tank and just purchased an Air Venturi Namad III rated for 4500 psi. If I let the tank run down to half or a bit more can I fill it with this compressor?
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
Great, yea, hopefully it can help some people.
@travisnunya46414 ай бұрын
I got the daystate wolverine r saphire and the alpha wolf Imo daystate are the best out there
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
Yes for me some of the most accurate right out of the box no doubt.
@heemlo6494 ай бұрын
150 degrees F is only 15% higher than 70 degrees F, and it's hard to imagine a 15% increase in pressure would cause it to blow up.
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
Yea, I know the logic itself i do get that. Sadly , i am a bit paranoid when being around 6,000 psi. I seen a few guys on the next who where almost kill by things exploding. Just want to let people know. You know some people REALLY push their luck, for me better safe than sorry hope you understand.
@Donatello409734 ай бұрын
The winner ? The .510 😊
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
Hey I am open to any !!
@ezrabrook39934 ай бұрын
Really gr8t info 👍🏼🤠✌🏻
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching !
@ezrabrook39934 ай бұрын
NSA 43.5gr rule out of all my Talonp 25's. Currently working on a 177 cal, reg'd Talonp for hog hunting! 👍🏼
@ezrabrook39934 ай бұрын
Will make a video soon for my chnnl 👍🏼🤠✌🏻
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
Nice, looking forward.
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
excellent to hear.
@ezrabrook39934 ай бұрын
1" grp is 50yds is hunting 👍🏼 Būt, ur Air psi has a bell curb.
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
ohh yea... again thanks for commenting.
@ezrabrook39934 ай бұрын
You are one of a few who make these videos that are fully understandable! Tyvm and keep it up! 👍🏼🤠✌🏻
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
Thanks for the positive comments. Take Care !
@Pakzalmi-um7gt5 ай бұрын
I need vulcan tictecal gauge pl
@ShootingTargets7275 ай бұрын
I am not sure but maybe Talon Tunes has one ???
@jisskk285 ай бұрын
Love airforce,especially the talonp. Compact,reliable,accurate,and powerful lil beast
@ShootingTargets7275 ай бұрын
ohh yea, thanks for watching my friend !
@noonespecific94635 ай бұрын
You said moisture getting inside causing corrosion weakening from inside, would it not be possibly to pull a vacuum on air tanks on guns to remove moisture, like as a maintenance task? A vacuum is easily pulled by a pump from someplace like Harbor Freight, just like pulling a vacuum on a cars AC system.
@ShootingTargets7275 ай бұрын
yep there are a few ways to get water out of these tanks the best is to make sure the new air in the system is moister free as it reduces the overall humidity. Hope that makes sense.
@Oregon-airguns5 ай бұрын
Ok. 49.5 Altaro slugs 920fps out of my .25 Vulcan 3 has definitely changed the long range game for me. They really handle the wind much much better than your traditional slugs. Was hitting a 6inch gong at 500 yards the other day. I’m beyond impressed. Of course they are crazy expensive…..
@ShootingTargets7274 ай бұрын
Wow good to know ! That is a long range my man.
@griffwyn29685 ай бұрын
I am in n. Wales 🏴 uk I only use 177 for hunting like you say it’s down to pellet placement
@ShootingTargets7275 ай бұрын
ohhh yeahhh. seen some great shots at 87 yards with only 12FPE .... good stuff.
@ScrotalsbySackington6 ай бұрын
I think youre being a bit over cautious. 5/3 is test pressure, burst pressure is sometimes 7/3-8/3. Brittleness of composites is the biggest threat other than impacts. The most likely blowout is burst disk, and or the line or Oring failure. And dont play loose with the cheap Amazon chinese components unless they meet or exceed the wall.thickness to 5/3 pressure ratio. I dont trust anything lesser thwn 6061 9mm thick for <55mm ID. ALSO ALWAYS protect Fiberglass or CF from sunlight.
@ShootingTargets7276 ай бұрын
Thanks for the input yea, just messing with that much PSI is kind of freaky sometimes so I am paranoid lol..... Thanks for watching .
@ScrotalsbySackington6 ай бұрын
@ShootingTargets727 I completely understand. Every time I fill the cylinder on my guns I sit there mentally picturing a catastrophic deafening blast and shards of shrapnel going in to my eyes and teeth and a nice sized jagged fragment slicing my carotid, picturing my neck garden hosing red juice and my un fragmented eye rolling back while I convulse and gargle when trying to scream for help.. so I'm with you. But the fact cylinders meet CE/DOT/ISO standards means they are absolutely over engineered and the working pressures are less than a walk in the park to them does help comfort me. Hatsan, And the chinese amazon only manufactured stuff not made by alsafe, liaonlaing*sp and Subang Xiamen (tuxing/yong heng/acecare/spritech).. like the oil water filters with 5-6mm unspecified aluminum are way too iffy for me. Also amaxon selling 3000/200bar aluminum cylinders listed as 30MPA/300 BAR cylinders scares me for the sake of the lesser intellectually endowed among us.
@ShootingTargets7276 ай бұрын
@@ScrotalsbySackington lol i know right...
@ScrotalsbySackington6 ай бұрын
Paintball HPA systems in that era were 3000psi. I remember my first air america Armageddon system. By 2003/4 4500 was standard