Airgun Scopes ..The Ugly Truth

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

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[@Oregon-airguns]

Cyclops Videos Joe W Rhea i noticed you only got 1 thumbs up. Dont do this for money dude..... if the product (your vids) have value, then the money will come. Build a following and sponsors will come. But depending on viewers never works...

[@Oregon-airguns]

EarthSurferUSA have another drink, sleep it off and then feel free to get back to me.

[@fencingcoach3w]

It depends on your regulatory environment. 12Ft/Lb or 6Ft/Lb power limits in UK, for instance, makes 10Yds accuracy important for some. Please be less parochial with your comments.

[@rudymsmith]

Just sent some $$ your way - WHY? - I watched several of your videos on mounting and zeroing scopes. I was just finishing sighting in my SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope on my Weihrauch HW110ST PCP Air Rifle, FAC Version, when a fly landed on my target @150 ft - moved the cross hairs to the fly - SPLAT. Nuf Said. Even my Wife was nailing the bullseye and she hadn't picked up a gun in 40 years. I also used your method for the Sig Sauer SOR52001 Romeo5 1x20mm Compact 2 Moa Red Dot Sight, Black that I mounted on my Weihrauch HW44 PCP pistol - same results - no fly on the target though. Thanks for the great scope reviews and other stuff.

[@justindunlap1235]

Honestly that is great advice for when you go to make any larger purchase whether it's a scope a powertool or a car.

[@Thelimey]

3 years on and still relevant thanks from the UK

[@billware6721]

Very good video for anyone not familiar with Scope do’s & don’ts. I am new to Springers and was overthinking the whole “Springer Rated” thing. This was super helpful. Thank you!

[@ianwoodward1554]

Hi Joe, I’m not interested in an air gun scope. But love supporting you with your recent health condition. This review was4 years old, from then to now. We can see how more energy you deliver your KZbin videos. Keep up your progress and reviews in the future. Love you like a brother from another mother. Cheers Ian from Aus

[@pestsandclays]

Your information screams experience sir !!! To me that's the only good way to learn and pass on knowledge. I have been airgunning for 48 years now and have been there and got the tee shirt to all your advice. Yep, I learned by experience just like you. Listen to this guy people and not the salesmen wanting your hard earned cash !!

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Lol thanks Steve . Yep nothing like pissing off your hard earned money to teach a lesson that'll stick with ya

[@joemartin2085]

Thanks for being there. Been driving my self nuts with the scope issue.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

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[@terryosborne854]

only just viewed this, but it clarified scope issues really quickly and as a complete novice I have found it really useful, thanks.

[@CabinOnTheWater]

I pulled up Optics Planet in another window while watching this video. So far I have narrowed down my options from 1862 scopes to just 251. I'm sure by the time I'm finished there will only be a dozen or so that meet my requirements and I'll go from there. Thanks!

[@Amy-i5p5g]

One of the best videos, good honest covers all the stuff you need to know. Big thanks great work

[@DrAgan_tortojed]

A whole lot of valuable advice. I just want to stress that "springer-rated" thingy: powerful brake barrels, including "nitros" (gas operated piston) ones, are SCOPE DESTROYERS. Even if you put the sliding mount (the one that allows for the scope to slide/glide back and forth during the launch of the pellet), any 100 - 300$ scope (or a holographic red/green dot sights) will start failing after a couple of hundreds of pellets being shot, even with those airgun models that are equipped with built-in shake/recoil reducers (Diana N-TECH line, Gamo Fusion/Maxim/Magnum line etc.). Do yourself a huge favor by NOT using scopes with your 20 fpe+ brake barrel. Instead, reserve scopes and holographics for CO2 operated, pump and PCP guns and LOW POWER brake barrels (caliber 177, with ~5 fpe, if you're into 25-yard bench-rest competitions) and put a firm, robust open sights (or a "peep" sights) on that brake barrel beast of yours.

[@babatona]

Wtf is a fpe

[@DrAgan_tortojed]

@@babatona FootPounds of Energy

[@tjitjo]

I was thinking about getting a GAMO .177 17 fpe (24J) break barrel with those multi shot magazines. They come pre equipped with either 4x or 3-9x, which I thought was a good thing 😂 what would you say about scopes in that energy range? Thank you 😄

[@DrAgan_tortojed]

@@tjitjo Go for a fixed focal length (they tend to be more reliable and shake-proof than zooms). And make sure the scope is "break barrel certified.

[@dr.s.p.]

Nearly switched off Joe, but you were immediately engaging and talked sense from the outset, all with a nice conversational way. Thanks.

[@craigtayntor489]

Had you never see JOE second to none professional work ALWAYS thinking of the best interest for US. You keep the rest except DOES and Mike with Gideon, his technicals as JOE are well Brilliant... SEE for yourself...

[@pete1820]

Have just started to do my research to upgrade my scope and even though this presentation is three and a half years old I found it VERY informative and useful, a very good presentation, thank you very much for taking the time to do it. I feel better prepared to visit the gun shop!!! Guy from the UK.

[@JC-fj7oo]

The thing is most expensive scopes are for long ranges because that's where you need an expensive scope. I can consistently hit a lime at 25 yards with open sights. A nice center-point scope will get killshot accuracy every time and for less than 200 dollars you can get a hawk or nikon that will be more accurate than any airgun is capable of at any distance. Also if you use a springer you need a springer-rated scope which adds weight and cost, yeah most of them aren't really "spring rated" so you have to do the homework to find a good one. Great point about the useless features and "free" extras.

[@regsparkes6507]

Last poijnt, " DO YOUR HOMEWORK",..I am, by watching and listening to what Joe is saying here. This makes sense, thank you Sir!

[@janzelf]

I wasn't looking for this video, but this is by far the best air rifle review + tips video I've seen so far! I've learned more in the past 15 minutes than the 4 weeks I'm into air rifles, haha! Keep up the good work, man!

[@chilledandcool3918]

I really enjoyed your video. I really like how you knowledgeably explain everything.

[@mr.octopus6972]

From my experience as each airgun likes a pellet more than the others, each gun has a scope that fits more.

[@heathhalfhill6401]

Dude I love HONESTY and you SIR have that in spades...THANK YOU

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Thanks Heath

[@walkerbelle]

This is probably one of THE most informative and accurate video presentations on the topic of airgun optics I've seen thus far. It's always amazed me how many folks look for everything AND the kitchen sink when looking for a scope for an "AIRGUN".

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Bo Hector ..Thanks Bo !!!

[@ezetobebad]

Gotta say , I love this mans open & honest approach. He reminds me of my favourite Uncle.

[@richardgraham65]

Love your videos! Great info on here. I am not having much luck with airgun scopes. The POS that came free with my Crosman Diamondback 22 (Centerpoint junk) was destroyed in less than 200 shots. (it just ripped whatever spring system they used to adjust the elevation) So I then bought a Nikko Sterling 4-12 x 50 and it lasted about another 500 shots until the recoil detached the front eye glass and cracked it (This has been returned for refund...however, it cost me almost $80 postage to get a $100 refund due to my location, so not a bargain by any means) I have now ordered the Hawke Airmax AMX 4-12 x 50, so we will see if it fares any better. The Crosman must have a vicious bit of recoil, it doesn't feel too bad, but it kicks very fast. Out of curiosity, you do seem to know quite a bit about police officers shining their torches at you...…..Hmmmm. Good recommendations on scope magnification - Some of the best, clearest and crispest scopes I ever owned were some old BSA scopes from the 1980's - fixed 4 x 32 with a single crosshair and a tapered single arrow point for the vertical reference. You could shoot pin point with these old things - not fantastic over large variation of range, but zeroed in at 40-50 yards they were amazing. Problem is these days 99% of all of these airgun scopes are made in China! (Probably most of the lenses all come from one supplier, all of the bodies from another and then simply printed with a brand name). I sadly have to import all of my gear as the local suppliers are nothing but counterfeiters, I can buy a "Leupold " scope here for less than $30, what a bargain! Just complete JUNK COPY - we even have "RED DOT BSA" that are on special for about $10! - Why I pay $250 to import a decent scope from the UK.

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

Of I may go off subject for a sentence: And allowed because the lawmakers are just as worthless; appointed by computer involvement allowed by the people.

[@dmo848]

It's the way u mount your scope is why they fall apart. Stay away from the middle part with the rings.

[@richardgraham65]

@@dmo848 Thanks, but it is the scopes not being up to the double recoil of the gas piston. Most scope manufactureres nowadays will not recommend their products for these air rifles, and some manufacturers that used to warranty them on an airgun, have dropped this warranty. I never mount the scope close to the centre adjustment turrets, I always try and get the spacing as far apaert as possible. Most of the scopes I have used also come with a solid back stop that fits into a small blind hole in the rear of the gun, which probably adds to the shock factor during recoil.

[@benjaminvleugels5609]

Honestly dude you have the best scope videos on the internet especially for cheaper scopes. It's been really helpful for finding a scope for my airsoft sniper rifle that shoots about 80 yards maybe a little more maximum. I'm buying a hawke vantage 4x ao for it It's a little bit more expensive than most airsoft scopes but it's at least a functioning really simple no nonsense scope.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Thanks for that

[@craigtayntor489]

That's for the scope info. My ghost.22 200 yds all day. Watch Gerald's utubes banging metal in Scotland with winds at 200 tack driving at 300 very good . Top 350yds 8 inch plate 2st time clang. With my 30 barrel kit. " " Come out come out where ever you are . Nt nt

[@brucedevilbiss3279]

Great video Joe. I have bought variable scopes. I have to agree in most cases are a waste of money. I keep mine set at 10 to 12 power. The higher powers I can see my heart beating and I do not seem to shoot as good as I do on the lower powers.

[@craigtayntor489]

More power more trash or paperweight, can't beat math. A photographer for 54 years. Nuff said. Give me 4x or 6 with very good glass. Ballgame

[@lawrencecanney3137]

I like this guy, honest & knowledgeable, i only shoot weihrauch springers & im fed up with having to re zero everytime i use them, i have hawke & nikko stirling scopes, problem is i really dont want to spend more on the scopes than i did the rifles. I have hw99s hw95 & hw97

[@SquirrelDarling1]

I have a spring and nitro piston which love to tear up scopes, maybe I should have watched this before switching to pcp rifles but maybe not. I was doomed to get in deep anyway. Good video, thanks.

[@mikel9162]

Good Vid Mr. Joe! I can see why you got into trouble one a certain forum. The truth, plain spoken just doesn't seem to set well with a lot of , well, anti gun, pro air gun folks. Grrrrrr!!! Joe Rhea, telling it like it is, and staying in trouble for it! Sounds familiar. Keep up the good fight Joe.;

[@richardbaxter2057]

Subscribed! Just thought I’d add a couple of bits from my experience , if that’s okay? 6x42 is all you need.....imho! It gives the retina the full and unimpeded transference of light from the scope. I have an old Schmidt Bender Hungarian 6x42 and it’s fantastic....only drawback being its a Duplex crosshair. Schmidt Bender now do a 3-12x42 with a mil dot reticle and I’ll be looking for one of these soon (it’ll be set on 6 Mag and left there). Mounts: Sportsmatch do a set of adjustable mounts (not cheap). These allow you to optically Centre your scope, set it on the rifle, shoot a group and then Zero the scope by adjusting the mounts. Works a treat and everything is then fully aligned. Illuminated reticles: the dimmest setting needs to be really dim. My first illuminated scope was (a) so bright that I lost the target and (b) the brightness spooked the rabbits..... As Looney Tunes used to say “That’s all Folks”.......😜 Thanks for the great vids and happy shooting to all! 🤪👍🏻👍🏻

[@pastorczo13]

Illuminated reticles are for early morning or late afternoon hunting. The colors are supposed to be for people who are certain color (primarily red/green) blind

[@craigtayntor489]

Exactly 💯. Give me good glass, we'll build, itched retinal and 1 very small illuminated dot. Checkmate, I posted your exact sentiments. A man that can shoot and knows his gear. Regards

[@Patrick-857]

Some guys have had their scopes that were rated for .50BMG trashed by a Hatsan 125. In my opinion there are no scopes that can survive a magnum springer. If it's not the scope getting trashed it's walking backwards in the rings, or the dovetail. I've had a stop pin basically shear off and chew up the scope rail. Diana ZR mount solves all these problems if installed correctly. Then you can put any scope you want on a springer as long as it's 1" or 30mm tube. "Springer rated" doesn't exist.

[@goodboyringo9716]

Nicely done touching on all the important points. I would have loved it if you would have shown some of your scopes and gave recommendations.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

I have a ton of other optics videos

[@radar2119]

Great video. Spring guns and pcps are very different. A good pcp scope is one that tracks and I lean toward the tactical type that cost too much. Vortex 2.5-10 PST ffp, it tracks really well, focuses down to 20 yards and the glass is fantastic. Of course I put scopes on pretty high quality Airguns. Yeah, you're right, don't be lured in by the stupid case or rings or flipups they add on, total gimmick.

[@nealtressler1661]

Thanks Joe... I’m glad to see someone use some common sense on this subject. As someone who has WAY to many airguns, let me just say, from the perspective of a hunter... 1) Many ffp scopes make it very difficult to see the reticle at low power, particularly in brush..... sometimes a lighted reticle can help, a song as you can dial it down. 2) in an effort to lighten a big bore large game air rifle, I tried a slug gun 2-7 scope , factory set parallax at 50 yds... I have 3 of them now, and they work great... they weigh 11 oz 3) going to high in power also has another disadvantage to hunters...6 power is a lot less steady off hand than 3 or 4 power.... if you’re a small game sniper, you’ll need to shoot offhand way more often than you’ll need to crank it up to 20 or 24 power.... as Joe said , stick to 4-12, or 4-16

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

Neal, you make some good points, but a rifle is moving around, while being aimed, the same amount whether a 24 X scope is mounted, or a 4. The movement is just easier to see thru a higher magnifying scope.

[@peterbaugh51]

Great video. A tip; the Tasco Air is a great, simple, duplex, tough scope. The 3-9x 40 AO version is still under $100. It is the same quality, same build, likely the same China Factory, designed by Japanese, repainted for the Hawke version at a higher price. Hawke has a mildot reticle. If you want that, than pay more, get Hawke. I have two Tasco Air scopes, no problem on a magnum steel springer. Sometimes low price can be a great value. And higher prices can just be a rip off. Got my Tasco's for under $60. Been buying Tasco brand for 50 years. Never a problem.

[@calvinchandra6816]

what you mean repainted for hawke version I dont get it?

[@craigtayntor489]

​@calvinchandra6816 MY exact thoughts, like hawk goes to the 99 cent store and gets spray paint or is it finger painted on. Next thing construction is lacking pop pivot it. Insane. Lmao, you kids these days, retorical thought. Image that

[@peterbaugh51]

@@calvinchandra6816 Products are massed produced and sold to companies with different logos. Different names. Some names represent quality control. Some may be a ripoff. Product reviews can be helpful. Over TIME. History really does matter.

[@johncarr2980]

I have two of the Leupold 3-9 33mm air rifle scopes from 10 years ago. They're both still working though other scopes I've given away or stacked in a corner useless after using them. Glad to hear and see the line still available though modernized for about the same amount of investment. I've always felt lower power was better for clarity and safety (wider field of clear view around target).

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

To me , those are some of the very best scopes ever made !

[@trigger3654]

Thank you . Just found your site . Very informative. I've shot regular firearms all my life I'm new to the air rifle side of the house . I've shot bows, rifles, pistols, machine guns , and grenade launchers. This was awesome thank you very much!

[@rayfraser5537]

Thank you Cy, been a great help my friend !

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Very Welcome man

[@Youtub-e4d]

You are spot on correct i go by the same when shopping for a 22lr scope sometimes more is not better ( great video )

[@craigtayntor489]

As Joe said Glass and construction is 90%. THE 10% is proper magnification. I should know as a56 year professional photographer shooting national geo, nascar, pro sports , you name it.

[@eddiemaxwell7593]

I bought a scope at Wal-Mart for $25 It's a 3-9×40 advertised as a 22 scope and I shoot quarters at 25-50 yards so yeah I'm gonna stick with the cheap stuff. I've yet to miss a squirrel with it but I don't take risky shots. My rifle is also cheap I think they run 100-150 bucks. says it's rated for 1000 fps doesn't quite hit that but you wanna stay below that anyway because if the pellet is moving too fast it gets really unstable so I don't see a point of buying a expensive rifle other than it might last longer I don't know.

[@joshuagibson2520]

I'm using the $28 barska on an 880 Daisy. It's quite impressive. It's more accurate and competent than I can shoot. My equipment is only limited by me, the shooter, at this point.

[@closniev2939]

What is the name of your scope, and what mount are you using on your gun.

[@ardentlieutenant3390]

A lot eof measures, considered, common sense there. Thanks for the sound approach without the whoopin' and hollerin'.

[@riderbuyer1]

Joe, This is down-to-earth, no nonsense, good information. Thanks for the clear, precise, presentation. I'll be using your guidelines for my next scope purchase. Best to you.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Geo Pot ...Truly appreciate that !!! Thanks Buddy

[@andrewgarnell2170]

Hi. Came across your video and was not sure what to expect. And it was great 👍What you said makes total sense and has helped me in deciding what sort of scope I will be buying. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪

[@martinkelsey275]

Just like the straight talk fella, are you sure your not from Yorkshire England, that's how we do it

[@bloodstriper3649]

Dude, I absolutely loved this video. Thanks for the advice!

[@fluffyhead6377]

My mate Jim is also blind in one eye, he is an excellent shooter.

[@brookdyer6620]

Like your style, short & sweet, straight to the point. Very informative. Thank You...

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

You are very welcome :)

[@jakestechtravels4864]

Some fantastic advice for someone new to the Airgun world. Thank you.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

You bet

[@twotonedfishing]

Hawke scopes have always been pretty good quality for the price.

[@weldingrod6578]

Very sound advice Sir, regards from N.Ireland.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Thanks Jimmy

[@chrismanning217]

“Hawke”!!!!!

[@christopherfiorentino6552]

I love my utg..it just happens to have 36 colors..your right I don't use it much , but when I do , I love the white retical ..3x12x44 w/ side wheel . great scope for a hundred bucks ( the retical could be thinner )

[@Physics072]

I have quite a few scopes and find the best bang for the buck is a fixed power SWFA scope. For air gun shooting with my variables I leave them at 12x and rarely drop the power. Then you don't have to worry about getting a Front focal plane or adjusting milldots in your head for different magnifications. The glass is clearer on fixed focus too. I have both a fixed and variable SWFA scopes and the fixed is clearer. Simpler optics less to go wrong.

[@craigtayntor489]

BINGO ,as a professional photographer I NEVER USE A SCOPE MORE THAN 4X RATIO. ALWAYS LONG ON SHORT MAX AND SHORT ON LONG WITH MORE THAN 1X4. CANT ARGUE WITH MATH. PHYSICS WINS THE DAY AFTER GLASS

[@anthonygarza9421]

If you use the illuminated reticle right it's not going to blind you. Most of them have brightness settings. You also need to be using the right one. I find it best to use green during in the day and red at night. Red light when it's dark is easier on the eyes and makes it to where your eyes don't have to readjust after looking at it. Especially if you have the brightness turned down. But it also helps if the target is illuminated as well. Unless you're shooting with night vision but none of that really matters unless your scope is not vision compatible.

[@GsyMoo]

Watching this again and more relevant than ever! Excellent 👍

[@richardstroud7945]

I would add, when you go to Amazon to buy anything, see how many people have purchasted this item, then read the reviews. Good review, Thanks for Honesty..

[@neilshippin9072]

always great seeing your show JOE well done mate ...

[@buckshotaaa]

You Sir know what you are talking about 100%. What a no nonsense review telling it like it is, well done. We have all been blinded at some point by the marketing hype at one time or another in our quest for getting the "best" scope on the market for our hard earned, (i know i have)😒. Take notice of this guy people and save yourselves a headache and a wad of cash.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

Could you give us some recommendations please?

[@KathrynLiz1]

Good advice...there's a lot of crap about as well as a lot of crap optics these days. I bought my first scope over 50 years ago and just like today there were some really bad ones out there as well as some really good ones. I think what gets most airgun shooters in troubke is that a quite decent airgun is not that expensive (although of course one can pay thousands), but a scope worthy of a half decent air rifle is going to cost as much or more than the rifle, especially a powerful springer. I have had scopes that cost just a couple of hundred dollars, had passably decent lenses, held their zero and tracked very well... but I wouldn't mount one one a powerful springer or a high powered hunting rifle, either of which will shake it to bits in short order, but on a .22RF will serve well for many years. In the field of optics you get what you pay for. A $1500 Swarovski will perform on any rifle, but the problem with "big rifle" scopes is that they often have quite bad parallax issues at airgun ranges (under 75 yards... sometimes a LOT under). so an adjustable objective is well worth the money if you have deep pockets. Air guns are a very specialist field, and the range of scopes limited.... hopefully that will get better as air arms of very high quality are getting more common, so people prepared to fork out for good optics are getting more common. I am tempted to get into the field myself...... I am a gun smith and recently came into possession of a relatively inexpensive airgun scope, AO capable, and the optics look pretty good. It tracks true and has a nice mil dot reticle. I was intrigued, so I have mounted it on my Ruger 10/22 and it looks great. As soon as this damned lockdown eases I will go out and shoot it.......

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Great Comment !!! I was able to get to the range today , first time in 6 weeks ...Felt good to fire off a few

[@laurieharper1526]

This is very good sense. Even more true for us in the UK, where we have a 12ft lb power limit and therefore, ranges tend to be very short. I went for a Nikon EFR, 3-9, 40mm objective, no illumination, nice glass, plain reticle (I wouldn't mind some mildots, but the simple crosshair does the job and you're absolutely right about rets that look like Christmas trees being confusing). Works fine and holds zero on my (admittedly low power) springer. Thanks and all the best.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Laurie Harper ..The Nikon EFR is probably the best scope on the market for under 200$ American

[@j.d.3269]

@@CyclopsJoeVideos Great to know that! Do you think I can safely use a Nikon EFR on an AR-15 (5.56)?

[@Rucksack57]

Amen thank you Joe. It is now July 2020. There are some great scopes out there for your dollar. Do your home work watch Joe's latest video's.

[@paulgreenlee190]

Excellent review, This is all new to me and I have already learned a lot from watching your KZbin channel. I have a PCP Ataman, I have looked and tried to understand what is actually needed in a good quality mid range budget. I try and watch at least 3 to 5 of your videos daily. My background is welding and fabrication, I hope to find what I need watching reviews like yours. Keep up the good and honest opinions on what your put through the paces.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Thanks for the kind words Paul

[@Physics072]

Brightness is a product of exit pupil (EP) diameter and anti-reflection coatings. A 1 inch(26mm) scope and 30mm scope with same objective size will be the same brightness. 30 mm tubes give more travel and the tubes can be made thicker and stronger. Now they may use better internal lenses or larger ones but that is used to decrease aberrations not increase brightness, that is the domain of the objective size and AR coatings and type of glass.

[@craigtayntor489]

AMEN, THE PHYSICS HAS PAID OFF IN SPADES. CLAIMED MARKMEN SAID. DRUMROLL PLEASE. LARGER TUBE GIVE MORE LIGHT TRANSMISSION. INSANE IT ONLY ADDS VERTICAL AS AS JOE AAID HELL 100 MOA FOR WHAT A TOP 10 SNIPER SHOOTING 1200 TO 1500 YDS. MY DAD DID A SEAL. HELL HE TAUGHT MYSELF THOSE CONCEPTS YEARS AGO.

[@Locutius11]

Good video. Nice intro for newbies and agree 100% with the illuminated reticles.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Thanks man

[@craigtayntor489]

If there is an etched retile absolutely, if not 1 tiny dot at dusk wins tge day, most don't have fighter pilots vision as my uncle or my dad a seal. Please

[@outwhitu08]

Your spot on about everything, luminated recticle is actually useless, high magnification you lose to much field of view and poor quality on higher settings, my opinion 4x12 is max, good info for the new buyers, thanks!

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

outwhitu08 .. Thanks Man , lotta guys don't appreciate the truth ;)

[@geo5772]

Joe, Thanks! Very informative...great points to consider.

[@Robert-z2h7m]

Thank you for your expertise on scopes! You just saved me about 300.00

[@davemonday5381]

The voice of experience. Always enjoy your insight I’ve had 13 scopes in the last 5 months of lock down all very highly recommend and high end makes the problem I fined is short distance not long. All my scopes are superb at 50 /100 yards but when 10 yards away from let’s say a rat. You can’t ask it to move back. And your 600 dollar scope is blared don’t get me wrong I have scopes that can do it but most can’t. And I personally wouldn’t hunt over 25/30 yards with a air rifle Another great 👍 video There is one thing like your self I’m a bit of a scope snobs. Not has much has you are. I once turned up at the range. Opened my gun bag realised I’d taken my scope off to try on a new gun the day before. The guy I was with offered his spare scope a no name amazon 4x12.-50 I cringed but hadn’t got a choice. After 5 minutes setting up. I got it sighted 30 and 50 yards. And I hate to say how good it was. At 30 yards. Hitting pen dots. At 40 yards. 1” groups. It tort me a lesson I’d use that cheep scope anytime and it dialled in very easy. Hey all the best from England and hope your all well over in the colonies. I’m in the wrong country

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Stay safe man . PS great comment

[@davemonday5381]

Cyclops Videos Joe W Rhea always a pleasure to watch your videos joe there’s very little I’d disagree with you about. I think you nail it. Everything Buy quality keep the magnification reasonable. And the main thing learn how to yes your scope I have friends spend fortunes Then change before they’ve figured there scope. Have you ever noticed it’s always the scopes. I bought a 1968 bsa meteor with a forty dollar scope my 10 year old daughter. Embarrassed my friend with his ten times more expensive pcp and 18” long over powered scope. I wish my eyes where only ten year old. Happy shooting. I’m shoot right. Has the sun go’s down

[@craigtayntor489]

You never own a pst2. At 7 yds at 1x perfection, it's surreal with both eyes as I have always shot. Only way to for extra perifrial. Nuff said

[@uksnusreviews9455]

Illuminated reticle is very helpful when using a night vision add on. Only time I ever use mine

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

Ha! Ha! You make some good points. One cost I don't pay is printed targets. I draw my own, life size chipmunk size ground squirrels. Because they burrow under my concrete shop floor. And a simple + on a piece of cardboard works fine for zeroing. Thanks for the video. Speaking of unneeded items, the little bit of background "music" in the video is all it takes for some of us to have a hard time understanding your words. Speaking of guns, for me it was caused by riding so many Huey helicopters into and out of LZs with the door gunners firing the 60 right next to our ears. War is Loud. Thanks again, helpful video. Liked n Subscribed. Quietly.

[@samgab]

Thanks for your video. FYI, not that I'm any kind of expert, but there is no such thing as a "recticle"... It's a reticle.

[@MrYippage]

My springer scope recommendation would be fixed power, best you can afford and as light as you can find. Pref a scope that doesn't have an adjustable object but will allow you to screw out the obj lens carriage half a turn or so. Lots of twiddly bits, lots of weight and cheap dollars is just asking for trouble IME. Spring guns are short range weapons no matter how much ME you have. 6-24x50 tacticool scopes are overkill for LARPers unless on a PCP.

[@MrYippage]

I forgot to mention, smaller obj are generally cheaper to make and easier to grind accurately, so you should get better quality for x £/$. They have greater depth of focus and inherently less parallax error as well as being lighter👍

[@bryanmorgan6559]

I put a Optima 3-9x40 A0 on my 2017 Umarex Octane .22 nice upgrade for the air rifle

[@omnamahshivaya6299]

Illuminated reticles actually do help but you've likely never gone hunting at night in order to see that.

[@arrrgonot7801]

lol Thankyou!!! I wish I had seen this before i started looking. I finally bought a very simple scope no frills at all an its so much better than the fancy smancy crapola . And it was cheaper. I bought it from a place that many had very good things to say. But ya you aren't kidding all the hoopla and hype its so difficult to wade thru the sea of bullshit stores are trying to push. What makes it so bad and down right fraud is they know you can't inspect it like you would in a store so its all by their word or reviews and now days you can't even trust the damn reviews cause those are faked. I mean where the hell does it end. Does anyone have any integrity anymore or pride in what they sell or do? Like you said they don't care they count on ya losing that reciept or just givin up . I live in the sticks so anything I do get I have to do online and I sorely wish I could depend on them. But then they get ya by chargin you 20% restocking fee and shipping , Its theft , deceptive and fraudulent.

[@greene6826]

Thanks you gave me the most information and the only information i needed, thanks man!!!!

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

You are very welcome man 🍻

[@ukwan]

I use a Schmidt Bender 8x56 Klassik, re-parallaxed to 36 yards for air gunning, just works a treat for every situation, bright, clear, not too much mag, simple cross hair, couldn't want for more scope.

[@brettess52]

Really well done. Great and helpful advice. Thanks.

[@TonyMorel]

That was all pretty obvious and should be common sense, yet sadly that is lacking so much nowadays so good on you for explaining it in a clear concise manor. Sure one or two people may have a niche need for say an illuminated reticle, but then that's what personal research is for. Just watched your shimming video and that was the same, no additional faff just how to do a temporary shim. Keep it up !

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Tony Morel ..Thanks Tony . I'm not very bright , so I try to explains stuff to where even my dumm ass can understand

[@fred9532]

Very good video Joe. Very good advice you give. I have many scopes, and you get what you pay for.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

frederick king ..On rifle scopes more than anything else I can think of !!!

[@turbo_tigerlive]

IR reticle really useful & they have adjustable brightness otherwise 👍

[@raycarl7933]

I’ve found the best scope covers are a child size sock.

[@kaylamarie8309]

This video was waaay more informative than I imagined it would be..stuff I had not even thought of before! You probably just saved a lot of shooters a lot of money!..I know I am immediately cancelling my order for the scope I was going to get with the attached espresso maker on the side of it right now! :) Seriously, great informative video once again :) To the guy who wrote in with "please tell me you shot your eye out with a red ryder!" ..that's just low rent as hell , NOT funny!, There is absolutely nothing fun or pleasant about losing an eye, it's a painful and catastrophic injury not a damned joke!.. AND I would remind you that Joe has without a doubt learned to use the other eye on an Olympic level in regards to using a rifle scope so if you know what's good for ya..SHADDAP!

[@mackdurr4959]

Kayla Marie I'm sure he's heard every variation on that particular joke already. And I'd bet my left eye he wasn't offended for a second. -guy with one right arm, testicle.

[@441rider]

Except on an old 102 or something most modern springers kick the scope out of alignment after a few shots.

[@syedirfanahmad9626]

Good, detailed tips. Appreciate it

[@edjett2631]

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is."

[@edjett2631]

Had a couple mistakes in the quote and a scpeling issue.

[@thomasmatthews4766]

I like this chap...tells ya how it is...warts n all...like he says...better to learn by somone else,s mistakes than your own....seen a few of his vids..and all of them are good advise....👏👏👏🤜👊

[@2fernandi]

Very sturdy, and easy to clean.Excellent product

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Glad you like it!

[@amrak-8401]

Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge...

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Ted Day ..Its mostly hard learned lessons and a Huge pil of screw ups that got me here. Lol. But you are Very Welcome Ted

[@jcknives4162]

Glad to have found your channel. thank you

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

JC Knives Thanks JC ! I truly enjoy making them videos ...And every once in a while I'm able to help out somebody

[@tdelucca19]

thanks for info , placed a hammer 4-12x40 on my gamo love it .

[@steffkepn2]

Is scope still alive? I want to buy gamo 5.5 magnum but a lot of people said to me it is to powerful gun and would eventually break any optics that i put quickly.

[@nigelfisher3756]

Thanks very much for a well explained and rational advice video. I will indeed listen to your advice. Regards from England.

[@Chimib]

Awesome Vid ...Thanks a lot Sir!

[@dimitristripakis7364]

I have the Swiss Arms 4x40 scope, $50. Nice big bright view. The scope is on a Stoeger RX5 spring 4.5 mm. I only have them for a week now, but the overall system seems to work just fine. Perhaps it loses zero every 200 shots or so, but I expected worse so no problem there for me.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Cool!

[@davidtrotter3836]

A number of good points. Thanks

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Thanks David

[@dougiequick1]

Dying to ask about eye patch...air rifle accident is what springs to mind but I realize that is just my 2+2 imagination

[@philippefrater2000]

I got a fixed 4X on my 22, a 1.5/6 X 42 on my 222 and a 4/16 X 50 on my 243. All of that works! I shoot up to 600 and more with both 222 and 243 and it's largely enough... 🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🤪🇫🇷🖖🏻

[@MrNienh]

Great video Joe.

[@vansantsam]

I prefer 2nd focal point for these reasons. When shooting small objects at longer distances you have a finer cross hair and more precise aiming, as with the 1st focal point the cross hairs get larger as you zoom in making it difficult to get precise sighting.. Some say that with 2nd focal point you always have to shoot it on highest setting to have the correct mil dot hold over and that is not true and it only takes simple math to be accurate... for example if you have a 4 mil dot hold over and you have a 4x12 scope and the setting happens to be on 6 power then your hold over is now 2 mil instead of 4.. if you are on 3 power then your hold over is 1 mil dot (this is not rocket science).. The math is simple take what ever power your scope is and divide it by the max power and then multiply by the mil hold over.. This also works when using the mil dots for ranging... Just another step in the math department to determine the distance... My air guns are all .177 and I sight everyone in for 0 at 35 yards no matter what pellet I shoot because with the scope mounted so that the line of sight is 2 inches above the center of the bore of the barrel, this is considered far 0 of the trajectory curve which means that all my compensations are hold overs with no hold unders... So if I am shooting 10 yards it is a hold over or if I am shooting 50 yards it is still a hold over and I don't have to remember if I should hold over or hold under.. With the 0 set for 35 yards shooting a 2 inch target means that from 10 yards to 45 yard the lowest drop will be only 1 inch... and at 28 yards, will be no more than 1/8 inch high (this is the apex - highest point of impact). This means that 1/8 high to 1/8 in low, the point blank range is 20 to 38 yards... and in between should be no more than 1/8 inch high or low.. (Good enough)...

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

Jim Richard . Jim I'm with you 101% FFP scopes are very over hyped .

[@vansantsam]

I have one of those 36 color lighted reticles (lol) (9 mils above an below - spend a lot of time counting dots hahaha) never have use the lights but the scope works fine and it was inexpensive and if it gives any trouble then (no big loss) and it would make a good challenge to shoot the glass out of it at 100 yards.... hahaha all my other scopes are Leopold or Redfield.. I don't know what brand is on my cross bow but it is a fixed 4 power with BDC reticles (not exact but close enough) I think the 20 and 40 are dead on but the 30 and 50 marks hits about 1/4 inch high and that is ok because if you are shooting deer then it is better to hit a little high than a little low.. (may be high on the heart shot, but will take the lungs out)..

[@craigtayntor489]

Mike from Gideon exactly echoed your words. With Gideon 1x watch it folks them man is a math genius. AS my dad a seal. And multiple world record holder.

[@craigtayntor489]

​@CyclopsJoeVideos and mire money doesn't make a dam bit of sense. Forget about memory confusing... and more time to aquire. Pro sniper ok. My dad only used fp then again special opts sniper. As good or better than pew view. Fact

[@joshmorrison4453]

Would love to see a suggested list like top 5 under $150

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

I have videos best scopes at 100-200-300 dollars

[@joshmorrison4453]

@@CyclopsJoeVideos Thanks, I'll check'em out

[@hatzmatzuky1]

Nice job!......Dont stop.

[@CyclopsJoeVideos]

hatzmatzuky1 .Not a chance