Crimewatch UK - March 1985

[@gujh03]

I love how at the beginning of each reconstruction the presenters describe the lovely landscapes where these people live.

[@johnsmith-rs2vk]

But sad .

[@meskbren]

Thank you very much for posting these 'missing' episodes Andy! The 3 reconstructions in this episode were mentioned the following month and I thought I wouldn't get to see them so thanks. Three very sad cases. RIP.

[@meskbren]

Elizabeth Sutherland case was solved but the conviction, I think, overturned 20 years later. Hilda Murrell case was solved but I think there is still controversy about that case. Veronique Marre's body was found at the bottom of a cliff near where she went missing - she died accidentally.

[@ajs41]

Thanks for the info.

[@meskbren]

@@ajs41 I hope you don't mind me asking this but would you have the December 1991 episode? Redcard74 mentioned in a comment on his latest upload that it is missing his collection.

[@ajs41]

@@meskbren I think I do have it. If so, I'll upload it next.

[@meskbren]

@@ajs41 Thank you very much - you're a legend!

[@lyndaburn6428]

Thanks so much for these episodes

[@ajs41]

Thanks Lynda.

[@iguanna41]

I turned 9 in March 1985 the same age as that schoolgirl at the time, that poor schoolgirl coming home to discover her murdered mum's murdered body, that image will hunt her forever nobody deserves that :(

[@valeriemacphail9180]

*haunt

[@pamelacorbett8774]

Poor kid, horrific. Hope the murderer had plenty of misery in his life to make up for the heartache he inflicted on others.

[@devinisdead4061]

Such rubbish these animals think they are allowed to snuff out a life of an innocent person because they fancy it. Simply disgusting and mental.

[@Alessiasbackheal]

Don't compare these pieces of shit with animals , fed up people doing this , animals and kind and nurturing

[@matinhewing1]

Thanks Andy! Great work!

[@stevensamuel1968]

Instablaster

[@deanfuller3796]

I love watching these old episodes from the 80s and 90s But what it really shows is how technology and forensics have advanced in recent years. So different these days.

[@marychristmas4911]

The Christopher Laverack case was closed in 2012, his uncle Melvyn Read who was a convicted sex offender who died in prison in 2008 was identified as Christopher's killer.

[@caffrey1967]

i hope he was killed and didn't die peacefully in his sleep ?

[@PC-lu3zf]

So sad poor kid he would be almost 50 now:(

[@zeddeka]

It also transpired that he was abusing a number of other kids too. The police also believe that he may not have acted alone in Christopher's murder. The man who was supposed to be looking after him that night but went out to the pub (Steven Hines who was married to Christopher's older sister) was later convicted for molesting children.

[@Yesman10]

@@zeddekajust read that, scumbag

[@TheBlackcular]

The dog in 2:41 was by far the best actor in this episode, it had great presence and was very believable 😀

[@lesleyh88]

Absolutely! 😅

[@margaretbanks8969]

My cat says she's noticed how many dogs and dogwalkers find bodies. She says if police would arrest all dogs they'd clear up a lot of cases as someone would bark.

[@clioflano421]

​@@margaretbanks8969🤔🤣 like l

[@clioflano421]

Yes indeed splendid acting...that growl of discontent was spot on.

[@PC-lu3zf]

The French Girl was found that year or her remains were likely not a crime but a tragic accident.

[@davidcouch6514]

That seemed probable from the terrain hazards mentioned.

[@Bloxdio_God]

3:59 top combover. maximum respect.

[@barrysmith1651]

Love a good combe over

[@valeriemacphail9180]

😆😅🤣

[@caffrey1967]

it knocks 10 years off him , i can't wait till i'm old enough to have one

[@markshaw270]

@@barrysmith1651 comb

[@TheBlackcular]

Detective at 3:57 needs to keep out of them Klingon barber shops. 😂

[@Wadworth6XLad]

Superb. The Hilda Murell case is quite fascinating actually - CW diehards might recall it was originally featured on Incident Desk in one of the 1984 episodes. There’s a Wikipedia page on the case. She was a high-profile anti-nuclear campaigner and there’s a theory posited that she was killed because of that.

[@ajs41]

Thanks for your comment ToteScrote, I'm pleased to fill in the gaps.

[@hashtag_thisguy]

It is an intresting case, but the problem i find with the throry she was killed by secret services for her work against nuclear energy is that its all a bit messy. Surely if the secret services really wanted an old lady dead, there are easier, cleaner, less conspicuous ways to do it...

[@almadavis8274]

People like believing their own "views" of what happens. You just have to have logical thinking to know that first she hadn't been working for many years. No MI15 etc would commit such a bungling crime if they wanted to get rid of someone. She did almost get away.That's not how professionals work.

[@naxalite115]

@@almadavis8274 an almost bungled murder is the perfect red herring

[@kalebind1]

BORN 1984 THE SHADE OF PALE BECOMES WHITER AND WHITER WITH EVERY MONTH 😥😥

[@interstat2222]

The elderly lady (Hilda) segment is really well directed.

[@johnsmith-wx5fb]

Some say so was the crime

[@IanP1963]

@@johnsmith-wx5fb I bought a book about case a few years back, must read it.

[@kalebind1]

May lord keep your soul within eternal light dear Aunt Hilda

[@kalebind1]

🙏🙏

[@Crimetvuk]

A labourer named Andrew George, who was 16 at the time took the life of 78 year old Miss Murrell. He was jailed for life in may 2005

[@BlytheWorld1972]

Hilda Murrell rip so very sad ...

[@noongourfain]

She was a tough lady who fought for her life! Did everything she could do to save herself.

[@BlytheWorld1972]

@@noongourfain yes x

[@steviep281]

28:54 four years?! WTF

[@ajs41]

4 years would be typical for manslaughter.

[@macssimpson183]

He must have been able to afford a good barrister and he was found guilty of manslaughter. Due to the time the body was in the lake it's hard to prove how she died, which you would need for murder. The fact she was found in a lake, would say he had something to hide.

[@stephenfreestone7956]

Veronique was an accidental fall, she was found 2 years later :(

[@chasey2327]

but when they found another corpse in the lake the husband who dumped his wifes body only got 4 years!! wtf

[@gemmagreene362]

@@chasey2327That’s what I thought! He must have spun a good tale.

[@TomRichards-s9r]

Amazing they found the body in such a deep lake

[@VioletDisregard23]

@@gemmagreene362apparently the tale he spun was provocation. He admitted that he strangled her because she “flaunted” her affair and they had an argument. She “did her usual act” throwing things at him and kicking in the groin so he strangled her. I don’t think provocation is a good enough reason to excuse murder so hopefully we don’t have any more QCs saying sh!t like “ the law recognises that within every human being lies the fires of emotion and you can provoke a human being so far”. Maybe he felt provoked but strangling someone takes a while to kill them and he was looking right into her face when he did it so it just sounds like BS to me. If someone is “provoking” my usual response is walk away. I’m certainly not spending 4-5 mins watching that person die with my hands wrapped around their throat. That’s some next level rage with massive dose of narcissistic entitlement right there.

[@zeddeka]

The Christopher Laverack case had a few twists in the tail. It was eventually solved in 2009 using a revolutionary technique which linked pollen found on a brick left with Christopher's body, and pollen in his uncle's garden. His uncle, Melvyn Read, had died before he could be brought to justice - he had been jailed for abusing other kids. Police believe though that he did not act alone and that there most likely was a local paedophile ring involved. Sadly, Christopher's body showed that he had been regularly sexually abused in the months and years leading to his death. Very worryingly, the man who was babysitting him and left him to go to the pub (Steven Hines), was later convicted himself of abusing kids. The police believe that the whole thing may have been a set up between Read, Hines and possibly others. People in the pub who saw Hines when he was there said he was acting very strangely and trying to draw attention to himself, almost like he wanted people to remember where he was at that time for an alibi.

[@Annastesia1988]

Sick, sick men, thankfully DNA and cameras are everywhere now to catch people quicker, but it's heartbreaking for that child to have gone through that, the Crimewatch child death reconstructions had to be so carefully filmed to not upset the public..but the presenters must have had a hard time coping with details they couldn't air. Jason Swifts murder etc was so sad..and the 7 yr old Mark at the fair, that bastard Cooke..he definitely was protected lived a nice comfy long life in prison.

[@cartimandua_]

Hilda didnt die from her injuries. She died of hyperthermia during the 3 days before she was found. Andrew George was convicted through DNA 21 yrs later. He was only 16 years of age at the time!!

[@janephillips6031]

Wow, I'm only just watching this part now, but I'm thinking how dis he get anywhere if he abandoned her car. To carry out such a vile heartless crime at such a young age, I can only assume his criminal career continued until he was caught.

[@glamladwales7056]

Thank you

[@kayak1969p]

They should bring crimewatch uk back again and call it crimewatch cold case and just concentrating on the uk most heinous unsolved cold case files that had appeared on crimewatch. with all the tech nowadays and the leaps in forensic science most of the people who committed crimes that were not caught could , even after all these years be brought to justice

[@zeddeka]

It's been back on in the mornings for quite a few years now. They often look at unsolved old cases.

[@Lushgirl81]

Ahh Ceefax! A kind of early internet!

[@ajs41]

It was better than the internet because it just had useful information without all the crap!

[@he_is_a_GOOBER_dont_disrespect]

Aah i remember playing bamboozle 👍

[@mrkipling2201]

@@ajs41 agreed!!

[@Lushgirl81]

@@he_is_a_GOOBER_dont_disrespect I loved bamboozle!

[@Compleme_Cunm]

Men standing outside Rumbelows or Radio Rentals on a Saturday afternoon as one of the TVs had the Ceefax page showing the football scores

[@house684]

'Love and hate across his fingers' Man did it before Do The Right Thing!

[@johnsmith-wx5fb]

It was very very common among certain types in the 80s and i assume the 70s and 60s

[@house684]

@@johnsmith-wx5fb It was also in a 1950s movie, The Night of the Hunter.

[@carols6800]

The body of Veronique Mireille Marre was eventually found in April 1984.[1] Her remains were found on a mountain at the bottom of a cliff, but no cause of death could be officially given.

[@ajs41]

It was believed to be an accident.

[@gujh03]

So why is this programme from 1985 think you got the dates wrong

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

Crimewatch didn't start till June of that year.

[@elliotsnook7092]

The best bit of this episode is Sue Cook's hair.

[@IanP1963]

Who's the culprit Lol ???????

[@Annastesia1988]

I love her clothes in the '80s episodes..jumpers galore

[@simonmitchell60]

Why is Liam Neeson on the thumbnail.

[@BlytheWorld1972]

Wow never seen this one before thanks

[@nathaniliescu4597]

I hate you.

[@1975ukandbored]

Nathan Iliescu why do you hate her

[@BlytheWorld1972]

@@1975ukandbored hi its a strange stalker iv have reported them and blocked this person its commented after a lot of my posts .. Regards k .

[@1975ukandbored]

I've noticed their comments very weird, take no notice keep commenting

[@mrkipling2201]

@@1975ukandbored same here. Very strange. Some people shouldn’t have access to social media. Or the internet.

[@lyndaburn6428]

Poor Hilda

[@McIntyreBible]

7:42, Hilda is attacked in her house.

[@joshuaferguson698]

Hilda :-(

[@michael1967812]

Have you got Crimewatch UK - February 1985 please

[@ryanohara476]

Hi Michael. There was no edition of Crimewatch UK that aired in February 1985. January 1985 and March 1985 are the first two consecutive episodes of 1985. Between RedCard74 and Andy JS they both have uploaded every regular CW UK episode from June 1984-December 1991.

[@piotrgadowski3506]

@@ryanohara476 Nick Ross shouldn't have said "last month appeal" then.

[@ryanohara476]

@@piotrgadowski3506No he shoudn't of but I didn't exist in 1985 it 6 years before I was born so I can't explain why he said this but the BBC Genome project and archival records show that January 1985 and March 1985 were the first two episodes of 1985. Your correct Piotr I think he ment the last episode of Crimewatch but he said last months meaning the last month we were on air! I hope this clears this up for you enjoy watching the episodes! 😁

[@piotrgadowski3506]

@@ryanohara476 Of course, I enjoy, I'm planning to watch all episodes available online and make new edits on Wikipedia based on it :P

[@ryanohara476]

@@piotrgadowski3506 ooh very intresting don't forget to use citations sources for verification on Wiki though I'm sure you will though Piotr. Oh if you happen to find copies of the full episodes of Crimewatch UK from February 1992, December 1992, and December 1994, please could you upload them! Many thanks! 😁

[@SerenDipity64711]

poor child finding her mother murdered..how do you ever get over that.

[@tezdryden9009]

do you have any 2005 crimewatch episodes?

[@ajs41]

I'll see what I've got.

[@tezdryden9009]

@@ajs41 cheers :)

[@gower23]

Teuchters conversing at the newsagents. Morning Alice. Morning Tots. Thank you. Cheerio just now. Cheerio.

[@ajs41]

What does teuchters mean?

[@gower23]

@@ajs41 Highlanders

[@ajs41]

@@gower23 Thanks. I live near Birmingham so don't hear that word much.

[@gower23]

@@ajs41 The sentiment might be the same as calling someone a yamyam. Possibly

[@jamesobrien1440]

I too live in the midlands and loved that scene. How carefree people used to live back then & what a sense of community

[@rickyvai866]

Where is February 1992?

[@ajs41]

No-one seems to have it.

[@639704234200009]

April 1985 episode anywhere?? Can't find it

[@ajs41]

I don't think there was an episode that month, although I'm not 100% sure.

[@IanP1963]

@@ajs41 Where's Feb 1985

[@IanP1963]

@@ajs41 I think CW was one EVERY month Andy !!!

[@ajs41]

@@IanP1963 Not April 1985. Do a search on BBC Genome.

[@IanP1963]

@@ajs41 Why would that be - Easter break ?

[@caffrey1967]

he's English and he smokes regal cigarettes , omg i know who it is , it's my 3 mates my neighbour my school teacher and my auntie

[@user-zr3pj5tk7k]

Is your auntie a bloke?

[@kdwskdws]

Only on a Thursday evening

[@chrismanners9091]

The Hilda Murrell reconstruction is a bit strange. Do they usually fill in stuff with no witnesses like that? I can see that, to a suspicious mind, it might look like the Police were trying a bit hard to suggest a particular narrative. Though of course the Police were completely right.

[@MosesDeLaRoses]

I've literally only just heard of this case. You're exactly right- I cannot think of a single other CW reconstruction that shows the moment the perpetrator strikes

[@kalebind1]

Mostly I would agree

[@ryanohara476]

Cheers Andy! Very sad about Hilda Murrell murder sickening evil man who did this R.I.P lovley lady! And thats also sad Veronique Mireille Marre who disappeared in Cumbria.

[@nathaniliescu4597]

Blow me. Loser.

[@zeddeka]

Crimewatch really good social history. It captures how bleak so much of the 80s was.

[@laurarockell2627]

Not as bleak as 2020-2022!

[@bolshevikproductions]

It’s bleak now. Uk 2022

[@chrismanners9091]

Absolutely. All those unlit places, the derelict buildings even close to central London. The seemingly enormous amount of street prostitution.

[@gujh03]

Omg you write this drivel everywhere. For some people 80s were the best. Just because for you it was bleak it wasn't for everyone.

[@chrismanners9091]

@@gujh03 They were fine for me too. But in terms of crime and social deprivation they were not good.

[@BlytheWorld1972]

Ella from rab c nisbet featured in the last reconstruction .

[@caffrey1967]

7.24 the actress looks like mad frankie frazer, if only it was him and he caught that burglar god bless hilda xx

[@theunemployedtrucker]

Seems rather odd that the airline pilot was never charged with him wife's murder seen as he was charged with dumping her body and trying to make sure it would never be found, 4 year's is a pathetic sentence considering what he did plus he will only do half of it if he behaves himself.

[@tharealmikezee3165]

Oh damn the 1st reenactment is a real brutal, deplorable crime! 21:05 HA that's awesome. I remember this from before. This guy done f***ed up

[@almadavis8274]

First case, Mrs. Murrell , shows rape has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with power- better the lack thereof in the life of the males committing this vulgar crime.

[@zeddeka]

Very similar thing in many cases of child abuse too.

[@lauramolony]

I was just born in march 1985

[@spaceytracey1237]

4 years! For dumping your wife in a lake/river 😶

[@davidcouch6514]

I checked the Oxford English Dictionary and as I suspected the entry “revenge” is lost to antiquity. (We Americans have a vast treasury of robust synonyms.)

[@elizabethryan6099]

Happy

[@PC-lu3zf]

Hilda was killed by dark forces not a Robber as shown here!

[@zeddeka]

Conspiracy theory bullshit.

[@theunemployedtrucker]

Err no it was a man who killed her not some stupid made up religious evil entity.

[@tharealmikezee3165]

20:40 Ha...that prick slipped up. Good job w the photofit! Uh..."Building Society"...what is that; a Freemason Lodge?

[@zeddeka]

You really don't know what a building society is??? You thick? It's a kind of savings bank. Nationwide is one. Of course, you could have just googled it.

[@gjthomas9770]

When criminals were criminals! They had the most wonderful hairstyles and had a sense of panache

[@kalebind1]

OOOOHH GAAAARYYYY GAAARYYY GAAARRYYYY GAARRRYYY GAAARYYY GAAARRRY PAAALLLIIISSSTEER

[@edwardhicks2499]

Love the Armed Robberies.

[@IanP1963]

The victims didn't !!!

[@edwardburnsen-hicks2721]

Love the armed robberies an screams.