6.5 Creedmoor vs. 25-06 Rem Episode 2: Hornady Precision Hunter ELDX

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Today we're revisiting the 6.5 Creedmoor verses .25-06 Remington using Hornady ELD-X Precision Hunter Ammuniton. Do you like this ammunition? Put it in the comments below.
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[@williamrauch4464]

25--06 and the 270 are pretty tough to beat. I am suprised the 25-06 isnt more popular...amazing round

[@AlaskanBallistics]

bullet Weight. can't get the perceived weights for larger game. BUt it does just fine with 120gr Nosler Partitions

[@mikewyd53]

I shoot 120 grain Partions in my 25-06. At 250 yards, 3000 fps muzzle velocity, I have shot through both shoulders and the spine. Bullet was under skin of off shoulder. Moose dead in his tracks. Retained weight 72 grains

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice shooting brother. 8 have a 115gr nosler partition video

[@vincecas7]

One of my all time favorite rounds. And agreed should be more talked aboit

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The 6.5 records like a .243 as well. Hardly any difference

[@richki.24]

25/06 definitely has more punch to it .. Me pick that 1 ...

[@NoTaboos]

120gr 25-06 would have been a better comparison. Personally, I think the 25-06 is at its finest with the maximum bullet weight.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I did a much closer bullet Weight comparison in episode one

[@AlaskanBallistics]

But I thought type of bullet would be better and right now is the only thing I could find that was the same type of bullet

[@fedup3582]

I have a friend who took dozens of elk, moose, and bear, in addition to deer and antelope, with a 25-06. His preferred bullet was a 100 gr partition.

[@lmbear]

I totally agree. A heavier bullet in the 25-06 would have been a much better comparison. You are basically using the heaviest 6.5 creedmoor load vs a too light load out of the 25-06. However, with that being said, I wouldn’t hunt with that crap Hornady ammo/bullet if you paid me. Use an interlock at minimum, if you’re going to consider Hornady. JMHO

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@lmbear couldn't find comparable bullet weights of the same bullet style at the time

[@af7119]

I'm going with 25-06.

[@howardhooley3408]

The 2506 has always been under rated the 6.5 Creedmoor is over rated. I'll stick with my better of the two......2506

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Fair enough

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

Can't won't argue that(I have both). At the moment in this country we still have freedom of choice. I like both each for a different reason and purpose.

[@lorent7475]

@@patrickgriffitt6551 same here. Love my Cooper .25 06, but enjoy shooting my creedmoor long distance

[@octopussmasher2694]

6.5 is a good round from everything I’ve heard and all the stats I’ve seen but it doesn’t work miracles

[@rodneyjohnson7327]

Creedmoor isn't overrated. It is what is is. A flat shooting, very accurate all purpose rifle. You can hunt anything from coyote to Elk and anything in between.

[@danielsteiner7634]

Yeah I knew the 25-06 wouldn't penetrate as much. At that velocity it's going to tear that bullet apart pretty fast, and it did. Would be interesting to see the difference in penetration at say 150yrds or so.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah i should have tried that before i got rid of the 2506

[@theorangevestarmy4255]

I killed a nice 9 pntr @456 yds, with my 25/06, 120grain Federal Fusion, that bullet stayed together, tip was bent, that's it, as it did tumble, the hide caught it on the opposite side of the deer, the buck dropped within 40 yds. Also killed a Bull Elk, @ 336 yds, on a ridge & moving. I love my 25/06 Remember, bullet placement is key

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The Federal Fusion is one of the best hunting bullets out there.

[@MrHyde-dt1sx]

With a “good” bullet, the creedmoor will never, ever catch up to the old 25-06 before the working velocity ends.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Possibly

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

Big difference is bullet weights that are available in each caliber. The heavier the game I prefer a heavier bullet. I love velocity as much as anyone but it's not everything.

[@MrHyde-dt1sx]

@@patrickgriffitt6551 every bullet has a minimum velocity that it quits expanding. Get it??

[@bwarrior6340]

I'd say ft.lb of energy is what matters. Not velocity not weight but the combination. And then the BC if you shoot long range.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Ft. Lbs matters little compared to bullet construction you want something that stays together

[@doejohn8674]

Thanks for the test! Love your pictures of Alaska, keep them coming please!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Every weds morning a video

[@kirkgordon2146]

I’ve owned a Ruger 2506 for 30 years and wouldn’t trade it for nothing. One of my favorite guns. Have shot several white tail deer with a friend of mines Ruger precision 6.5 creedmoor and it is a nice gun but when you can do the same thing with a gun made in 1981 as you can with a brand new gun I just don’t see what all the hype is about. It’s done became the man bun of guns lol. Was on a management hunt in west tx and over one weekend we took 19 does to help out the ranch. Like I said shot several with the 6.5 out to 400 yrds with decked out $4k gun with all the goods. All the while was achieving same results with a 40 yr old gun that I paid $450 for 30 yrs ago. Just my two cents. Loved the video though. Great info 👍

[@rediron44]

Why would the 6.5 gun be any more expensive? I've seen Rugar Americans chambered in 6.5 for sale today for $450 bucks. 450 in 1981 is about $1000 bucks today.

[@kirkgordon2146]

@@rediron44 the gun I mentioned was the Ruger precision with muzzle break , bipod and $2k scope. Don’t get me wrong it is definitely a very nice gun. I’m just not much on buying the newest hype product type.

[@bassjohn4663]

I love my 25-06, I only shoot reloads I like getting peak performance out of them and I’ve never had a deer get away, longest shot for me was 428 90 grain bullet and dropped like a sack of potato’s

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice shooting

[@danwineinger4644]

25-06 would be optimum with a 26" barrel instead of the very short 22". My PO Ackley built Mauser with a #3 barrel. Ackley did not feel improving the cartridge would improve it performance. Slow powders, 26" barrel w/100 + grain bullets.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@Dan Wineinger agreed... this is what i had though.

[@danwineinger4644]

@@AlaskanBallistics expeditions.. I have not used my 25-06 much in Alaska, but for all game smaller than Kodiak/Polar bear it should work well. I allowed mine to get a buildup of copper & gunpowder it took my friend nearly two weeks to get her scrubbed!

[@redrider6580]

@@danwineinger4644 Agreed on the barrel length. Agree also with the 100+ gr bullet for deer.

[@williamsain8174]

I'm sure it's a great round the 6.5 Creedmoor but I'll stick with my 270 Winchester

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I don't blame you, I have both.

[@goudan]

Hi William, the 6.5 CM is not in the market to make you trade your 270 for it. It's a alternative caliber. I narrowed dowd to 2 calibers when i shoped for a new riffle, not to replace my 30-06, but to go somewhere else. I got the 6.5 for the lesser recoil to initiate my daughter and my GF, use it for coyote, great second riffle. 30-06 does it all like the 270 and the 6.5 can also do it all(up to 300Y) but more adapted for the girls in my life. Liking one doesn't invalidate the other, so many great calibers out there.

[@fedup3582]

@@goudan maybe the 6.5 creedmoor can do it all, but in my experience with the creedmoor and 270 and 06, it sure isn't on par, not even close.

[@kearneydillon4803]

I have owned at least one 25-06 since I was 16. One of the most underrated rounds out there. I believe if years ago, there had been a better selection of high B.C. bullets for the .25 bore, it would have been a top 5 seller. I have dropped several bull moose over the years with regular 25 cal 100gr X bullets. Dead right there. I may own a creedmore in the future, but think a 6.5x55 swedish can do everything it can do with more velocity. Probably go with a 260 or Swede. I wish this comparison test had a 24" barrel for the 25-06 to see the velocity it can achieve.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah i wish savage had put a 24" 1 in 8 twist barrel on that as well.

[@garrytalley8009]

@@AlaskanBallistics They are all so close. The Creedmoor was designed for precision long range shooting of better BC bullets period. You can get a savage with the length barrel you want. You may have to order it, but they can be had, or you can pay for a re-barrel. It only takes money to do anything with guns these days.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Very true

[@larrybulthouse455]

Longer the barrel the higher the velocity get yourself a ruger#1

[@larrybulthouse455]

It's good to read some of the comments on the old wildcat cartridge 2506. The only reason the 6.5 came along was to con others to purchase a new firearm. The old cats are and will always be better than the new.oh and by the way I own 2 25-06s in Ruger#1s. Gotta love it. Keep on shining and shoot straight

[@AlaskanBallistics]

6.5 creedmoor is more powerful than standard 6.5x55 loads and that's like Europe's most likely hunting round. To say it was designed to get people to buy more rifles is silly and ignorant (no offense intended.) It was designed for long range paper punching for competition. It still has plenty of energy to kill animals Caribou Size and smaller out to 300 yards. Kicks like a .243 and is fun to shoot. I highly encourage you to try one. I'm not saying the 25-06 isn't great, it is... but there's more than selling new guns in the development of 6.5 creedmoor.

[@joztunes69]

Nice video and pics of Alaska, but I'll stick with the 25-06, even though I own both and I also have the .308 and 30-06 and a couple of magnums. Some people like the little 6.5 creedmoor but I still say the 25-06, I'm just not going to get into the bullet weight comments because I like Nosler and Barnes and yes Hornady

[@louiskiser9989]

I have heard too many stories about 6.5 not killing deer imediately

[@louiskiser9989]

30 gr more in anything close range should win,I still say 25_06 is much the better Rifle

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@louiskiser9989 which is dumb because mine dropped a much larger cow caribou right on the spot. Anchored her in place. Poor shot placement, or poor bullet construction can't be blamed on the Cartridge. ELD-X bullets like this are terrible.

[@kennethblevins6172]

I have a rem mdl 700 bdl 25-06 with a 26 in barrel i bought in the 80s. It is awsome never let me down.took several deer out to 700 yds, ground hogs out to 500 yds, wouldnt trade it for a truck load of 6.5s

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Neither would I that's a classic. Doesn't mean I don't like my six fives, But I wouldn't trade it a nice remington seven hundred either, caliber not withstanding.

[@kennethblevins6172]

The 6.5 is a hell of a round, i have friends that will almost figh you over it,lol if us 06srs were able to shoot a 140 gr what then 😁

[@kennethblevins6172]

When i got my 6.8 hells canyon i was astounded at the power it had over the 6.5 my friends were flabbergasted how it out did their 6.5 hands down

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@kennethblevins6172 well yes it's essentially a short magnum.

[@wendellbell6164]

I like that we have so many options in calibers and bullets. Kind of confusing to newer hunters but fun for us older ones.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

True!

[@robertfoote3255]

The shining thing about the 25-06 is you sight it in at 100 yds and have point of aim point of impact to 300yds.... It shoots flat as piss on a plate! The hydrostatic shock of the 25-06 at 200&< is amazing!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Very true.

[@robertfoote3255]

@@AlaskanBallistics 🤠 For the smaller farm fields and hilly wood lots of norther Mi......it has been my "go to" whitetail deer rifle for over 30 years... It's lack of bullet offerings to bring up it's ballistic coificent has been it's only short fall for a better distance hunting rifle. 🤠

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The new 131gr black aces is supposed to make up for that.

[@kearneydillon4803]

I have used a .25-06 rem on and off for 20 years here in the Northwest Territories of Canada. I have dropped 5 big bull moose over the years and it hits with authority if placed properly. I also hit a wolverine at a little over 225 yards and rolled him hard. Its a great open area gun. I always took it when wide open spaces were on the menu. (Huge frozen lakes. It's often you have to take a long shot, as a moose or wolf will be 6-700 yards away and quickly headed for tree cover. Anyhow, I reload using 100gr TSX bullets (moly coated) and with my 25" barrel the bullets are flying fast. Even big bodied moose are no match.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Barnes bullets are the bomb. Love them. Good eating from your hunts brother

[@zxej6879]

Got this ammo this week. I bought a Ruger American Predator 6.5CM, back in January. This is the first ammo I could get. I look forward to finally shooting this gun.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I hope it shoots well. Break the barrel in well on those rugers. Godspeed

[@chrisjarvis3031]

Great job. I went with 6.5 creedmore and testing ammo now. This helps me in my decision making

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The best hunting ammo so far for me in 6.5 creedmoor is the barnes lrx 127gr.

[@titomish5914]

@@AlaskanBallistics solid copper?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

No expanding copper

[@corbinhenrie3265]

Purely a function of impact velocity/ bullet choice. One would need to shoot a bonded bullet, mono or interlock in 25-06 and use ELD-X in the CM purely based on impact velocity difference. So depends on what your doing with rifle it's hard to compare a apples to apples comparison when they rounds are so different. Love the video thanks for putting it up!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I actually think you should shoot a bonded or mono in both calibers. The caribou in the freezer didn't like the 127gr barnes LRX at 288 yards from the 6.5 creedmoor. Last year's bull moose didn't like the 127gr barnes LRX from my 6.5x284 Norma either.

[@alaska1andy959]

Thanks for another great video. Been shooting both for several years, especially the 25-06 which I have been shooting since the 1980's. For the 25-06 I like using the Nosler 115 gr Ballistic Tips, getting 2,793 fps on the average. I hear you have a new mayor.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I don't but Anchorage does

[@EdAb]

Out of my 18.7" Scout rifle, in 308 Winchester, the 178 grain ELD-X is king! Great penetration, beautiful expansion and unrivalled accuracy. But that's with a muzzle velocity of 2500 ft/sec. Precision Hunter ammunition is definitely meant for long range/lower velocity work. It's no wonder it had trouble "up close", with the 7mm Rem Mag. At 200 yards your 7mm has more velocity than my 308 at the muzzle! Cheers!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah I could definitely see it being a lot better with those Velocities! Thanks for watching and the comment.

[@falba1492]

To me great penetration means in one side out the other, at minimum, stopped by the hide on the opposite side. Beautiful expansion is where the bullet retains 50 to 60% of its weight, and doesn’t loose its jacket. This is not how a typical ELD-X reacts. It’s super accurate, because it’s a rebranded match cup and core bullet. Does it kill? Yes it does, but if you hit bone, or you happen to shoot large game at close range, it’s a poor choice. It might cost an extra 30 or 40¢ a pop, but there are better options. The blood shot meat alone is worth it.

[@EdAb]

@@falba1492 You didn't read what I wrote did you? What you describe are results of high velocity (over 2900 fps) impacts. Reduce the velocity a little and ELD-X performs in a class by itself. You are basically criticizing a wrench for not being a hammer. Choose the right tools for the right task.

[@falba1492]

@@EdAb I read what you wrote, but slowing down the velocity doesn’t make the bullet expand better or penetrate better. It just keeps it from blowing to smithereens at close range. Hornady advertises the bullet as a hammer, to be used effectively at maximum speed for whichever caliber it’s used for. If you have to slow down the speed because the bullet doesn’t function as advertised, you’ve turned it into a wrench. I get the allure of these match bullets for hunting, the accuracy snd high BC’s. But the day your shot is just a bit off, you hit bone, or you need a proper blood train, this bullet will not be totally effective. Keep your powder dry, and good hunting this season.

[@EdAb]

@@falba1492 Likewise, may all your hunts be successful. Cheers!

[@bobbyrobbins9816]

Love your cartridge comparisons. I agree with you on those bullets. Great for deer and antelope, but I wouldn't personally use them on game heavier than 250 lbs. Nosler Partitions, Speer Grand Slams, and Swift A Frames come to mind for the bigger stuff. I think that the original flat based Hornady Interlock is a better big game bullet than those low drag and high drag and intermediate drag bullets. Great comparison as always.

[@vitalshok2238]

When you said, "this is why you always handload your ammo" I was thinking to myself, no this is one reason why I don't use Hornady ammo. Haha

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Lol why I handload barnes lrx for 4 out of 7 different calibers

[@lutherpayne9957]

I will stick with my 25.06. The 6.5 is a good cartridge and I am sure it has a large following. If I need more knock down then I will drag out the .264 win mag. Same projectile diameter with a hell of a lot more punch.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed. But my 6.5 creedmoor absolutely sledgehammered a caribou at 282 this weekend.

[@bobbysmith6602]

I have both and would rather shoot half a box of 6.5 than a single 264 rem mag lol. Mine kicks like a mule

[@lutherpayne9957]

@@bobbysmith6602 that is a Winchester love tap....It lets you know that it's better to be on the sending end than the receiving end.

[@rediron44]

The best one is the one who feel the most comfortable with, and you shoot the best with

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Amen

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

That's the whole ball of wax right there.

[@ralphgreenjr.2466]

The 25-06 (6.2 mm) is one of my favorite hunting cartridges. The 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55 Mauser, .260 Remington, 6.5x284 Norma are all excellent hunting cartridges and I have taken game with all of them. However, the 25-06 is when you have to kill something in the next zip code! Hornady 117 gr SST gets it done.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

You don't have the SSTs shatter?

[@desiebare6437]

Thank you for your information was thinking about reloading some ELD's for my 25-06 for shooting and possibly hunting. I think I'll stick with my 100 grain Barnes ttsx's I know how they work on game and won't change. Shot everything from yotes to moose with them. Will be loading some ELD's to shoot some steel out to 700 yds because their cheaper and every eld I've ever shot has been good shooters. Just wasn't sure how they would be on game. Great video keep up the good content 👍

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks for watching. That 100gr ttsx us an awesome load. Love my barnes bullets myself. Let me know if you capture an ELD-X past 3 or 400 yards if it does any better

[@JamesTaylor-gz8le]

You need to try some win positive expanding point.bullets I think they were only developed for the 2506 they were supposed to be better than the silver tip for a predator . 117 grain only but the best bullet ever made I think only avail for a 2506.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@James Taylor who makes those and do they stay together?

[@donaldanderson3249]

I'll still keep the 25/06 with 120gr. Nosler partitions. Ive use Hornaday tipped bullets and don't like the proformence for their ammo for hunting purposes.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah I've tried the 115gr partition on a video on here.

[@redrider6580]

I shot one deer with Hornady ammo and it was the last. Shot the buck right behind the shoulder, got both lungs. It ran over 100 yards and jumped a fence before it died. Thats the only deer I had to run more than 40 yards. Most either go straight down or run 10-20 yards max.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Which bullet?

[@redrider6580]

@@AlaskanBallistics This has been around 18-20 years ago when Hornady was making some rounds they called light magnums. They were basically loaded to max on the powder charge. The bullet was a lead nosed copper bullet. Have no idea which bullet they were loading in the 25-06 light magnum ammo at that time. All I know is it basically punched a hole straight thru the deer, not much damage to the lungs. The deer basically smothered to death because he sure didnt die from blood loss and shredded lungs. I usually loaded my own ammo at that time, but I was lazy and bought a box of factory stuff.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Their new gmx is a good bullet.

[@CDinNC]

Comparing 123 grain 6.5 to a 120 grain 25-06 would have been more credible. Hornady loads both. I’ve had both calibers. Always go with fast and flat!

[@YellowHammer26]

Nice video........thanks.

[@bhunterbmw335is2]

Bullet construction is sort of important but people seem to somehow forget that if u shoot anything with a full power rifle cartridge it’s pretty much fucked

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Maybe... but without proper expansion and through & through penetration, that chest cavity mainstains blood pressure and the animals run, even if their organs are shattered

[@kirkboswell2575]

Owned a 25-06 at one time. Lovely rifle. Very accurate. Hard to get a good reload with due to its extreme overbore characteristics. 6.5 Creedmoor? Slower, yes, but MUCH more capable/adaptable than the 25-06 simply and purely because of the faster rifling twists, allowing stabilization of longer and heavier bullets. The Swedes use it for moòse. Lovely cartridge (6.5x55). The Creedmoor is essentially a short action 6.5x55. Is the 6.5 Creedmoor capable? Absolutely, but it does depend upon bullet selection. (The heavier the better).

[@kathyortiz8774]

I love my 25-06, and use it for all hunting, except elk, for which I break out my 7mm Rem Mag for that extra margin. Joe

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Great choices. Hunt well my friend.

[@sidbates3423]

Well dang man I got a savage 110 tactical 6.5 CM with a 24 inch barrel and it shoots these Hunters sub MOA at 100 I haven’t dropped a deer yet here in GA yet but I’m loving this gun, I’m not a reloader but I got mad respect for you guys that do, I think that’s an awesome skill and should be taught.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed. These bullet stink for hunting. Take brainstem shots if you can. Guns that like the eldx also tend to like the barnes 127gr lrx

[@sidbates3423]

@@AlaskanBallistics dooly noted I’ll try them

[@AlphaRomeoOneFive]

Another solid video as usual, thanks Chuck 🦅🇺🇸

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks brother!!!

[@inupik23]

Just picked up a 25-06 a couple days ago! Looking forward to loading for it!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

What barrel length is it?

[@inupik23]

@@AlaskanBallistics 24" It is a 1971 Remington 700 BDL she's nice.

[@inupik23]

@@AlaskanBallistics you trying to do some tests on a proper length barrel? 😉

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Possibly

[@inupik23]

Let me know. We might be able to arrange something.

[@vitalshok2238]

I always recommend Barnes ammo. Just can't beat it

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Totally agree. Barnes LRX is all I shoot

[@frankiejones4816]

I only shoot Barnes ttsx or the tsx bullets did my own test thirty years ago against noslers partition bullets. Well at that time day didn't had the ttsx bullets but only tsx bullets been shooting it ever since then. But I do use hornady in my handguns for hunting. Recently I been going for the hard cast bullets now.

[@TommyboyGTP]

On the 6.5 page on Facebook many are claiming that the M version does better than the X. Makes me wonder if Hornady got the two mixed up at the factory from the pics i've seen people posting over the last couple of years.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Good point. LRX barnes does better than both

[@trayvonjackson4830]

Interesting. My personal favourite for hunting is the 8mm REM mag, although it can be tricky to locate ammo for it.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I bet. Into reloading?

[@morigeau406]

Have the 25-06 in a ruger m77 and a 6.5 in a howa chassis rifle. Enjoy shooting them both, but I'll grab the 25-06 just about every time. Unless it's time for the 338 win mag to say hi.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Love my .338 Win Mag

[@matortiz2322]

This video makes me wonder why the non 223 hunters choose 22-250 for coyotes and not the 25-06

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I wouldn't either. Natives hear like the .22-250 for seal hunting

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Both would serve the role well for yotes. I think some prefer the 22-250 for a couple reasons. Less cost over all is one that comes to mind.

[@stevietate5748]

I've used everything from 22 hornet to 340 weatherby including 223, 22-250, 220 swift, 243 win, my favorite is the 25-06, I've not used a 6.5 creed but have used 6.5x55. The 25-06 has become my personal favorite for everything from ground squirrels to deer. 85 grain ballistics tips for animals up to coyotes, 115 or 120 partitions for deer. Still waiting for my once in a lifetime moose tag but elk are no problem if you take good shots and place the bullet properly.

[@matthewmichaels5522]

Just got me a new Rem 700 6.5CM. Haven't fired a shot yet. It'll need to be a beast to beat my 25-06

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Well unless you got a 26" 1 in 8 twist barrel 25-06... it'll rival it. Maybe not beat it with every load.

[@matthewmichaels5522]

@@AlaskanBallistics 26" but not sure of twist rate. Maybe 1:12? Ruger M77 Mk2

[@AlaskanBallistics]

So you can't shoot the new high b.c. 131gr bullets to match the high b.c. if 6.5

[@groundpounder24365]

I recently harvested a doe at 100yds with my 6.5 with the eldx and I must say I was very impressed.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Good for you... my cow caribou at 212 yards was shredded and too much meat damage. Barnes LRX does way better

[@groundpounder24365]

@@AlaskanBallistics took doe # 2 & 3 within minutes of leaving that comment

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Congratulations and does is not what this video is pertaining to as mentioned. But eat well my friend

[@groundpounder24365]

@@AlaskanBallisticsguess I'm confused by that comment..anyhoo..yeah they perform well

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Oh wrong video. I was saying in a recent video that eldx was no good for large game. Does don't count as they're not really large game.

[@inalaska1709]

I guess I’m simple when it comes to hunting rifles. I use a 338!win mag for boos and larger. 200 yards and in, head or neck shots. If you need to shoot a moose at 400 yards just aim at the top of the hump. I have used a 308 Norma mag for boo and moose before and it works just fine. I would like to get a 300 win mag, because ammo for the Norma is expensive and can be hard to find.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Love my .338 as well. Got ax whole playlist on it.

[@klevee6076]

Gotta have a caveat or two. Same brand is great but the bullets gotta be consistent as well. The 25-06 has some excellent new bullets out there and if a guy is reloading the 25-06 will smoke the creedmoor. There's no replacement for displacement

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Well we're testing factory ammo most hunters don't handload. With handliading I'm sure i can get any caliber to smoke another caliber. Too bad God bullets aren't available in factory 2506

[@wadebarnes6720]

The 30 out six or the 270 brass but some reason works a little bit better than the 25 brass don't know why but it does

[@redchode911]

dead deer for both out to 600 yards...cartridge availability is another consideration in my area South Texas

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Very good point

[@adude7050]

Great video I enjoyed the test thanks.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you!

[@brentigo]

Another great video. My Tikka 6.5 cm likes the ELDX also but your right. At close range they do not work. Lost a good red stag last year at close range. Placement was good and the stag was hurt but blood trail ran out it thick bush and we lost it. Now use Sako powerhead pro and Hornady whitetail. Lucky the rifle loves them as well and the whitetail is cheep too.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you for the real life application. Good to know that cheap stuff works! I actually shop that in the 1st 6.5 vs. 2506 video

[@Eric--zs6um]

The 2506 destroys bullets with speed like the 7mm mag. If we slow them down to the same velocity, the there would probably be little better penetration.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Or didn't use the eldx lol barnes!

[@Eric--zs6um]

@@AlaskanBallistics no doubt there. They work very well for groundhogs in PA. I re load 100gr partition for deer

[@shanegridley4922]

Thank-you 4 testing this particular ammo--I will not waste my hard earned money on Hornady precision hunter ammo--not impressed--I do have that Savage Axis accu-trigger in 25-06

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah I'd go with the nosler partition or the new barnes lrx in that caliber.

[@christopheransell2179]

While the Creedmoor is harder hitting, I'll take the 25-06 any day. I prefer the old tried-and-true vintage calibers. If I was shooting less than 200 yards I'd use a 257 Roberts...

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Fair enough. Godspeed to you and yours!

[@eskimoreloader]

When in doubt use Barnes I'm from the Baffin Island Arctic circle

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I use barnes too. What do you hunt way up there?

[@elizabethnybeck9935]

Love my 25/06

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It's an awesome caliber

[@larryplogman7997]

Handicapped the 2506 from the beginning with that 22in barrel still the velocities are impressive! Now give it a 24in barrel like it's mainly used in and let's do this comparison again!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Got a 25-06 24" barrel i can borrow. Don't forget the 6.5 creedmoor will do better in a 24" barrel as well

[@susangolden4001]

How about using 26" barrel with 25-06, 130 grain bullet with a 1-7.5" twist in barrel. Now run the numbers and see how it matches up. J.Au-en

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Got one I can borrow?

[@andygray5172]

My group killed 4 speed goats this year with the 130gr eldx 6.5 grendel between 60 and 300 yds. We recovered 2 bullets from 175ish yd shots. Although they starting to separate they still went from brisket to back ham. The shot at 60yds was a little far back but still in the chest, it broke 4 ribs on the exit and bullet fragments went into liver and paunch. One goat was killed with a 308, 150gr nosler ballistic tip at 180 and I felt performance was similar to the eldx (too destructive but not terrible). Next year I will be loading accubonds but I if eldx was all I could find I would use them again on goats but probably nothing bigger.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Cool man. I like the accubonf long range. Just filmed a video with it. If handload it. Gonna be a 6.5 vs 6.5x284 Norma video.

[@andygray5172]

@@AlaskanBallistics the 6.5 284 is a bucket list rifle for me! Can't wait to see the video.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Couple of weeks

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Not too bad. We just returned from elk hunt out west. 300 win mag 200 eld-x. 300 yards. No bullet recovery. Dropped animal.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Glad it worked for you? Pass through or shatter?

[@guardianminifarm8005]

@@AlaskanBallistics only 300 yards hit leg bone & passed through. Damage of leg was pretty bad. But can't blame bullet for it.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

@@AlaskanBallistics We were using 308 with Superformance SST originally. But I was carrying rifle when coming out of mountain from morning hunt and lost my footing. I went down hard and rifle barrel smacked rock. I assume zero was compromised and AZ has a serious fire restriction now so I couldn't true my rifle in field. Hunting partner loaned us his 300.

[@lancemiller9110]

Just thinking, comparing, and analyzing information from the comments of other shooters/hunters. And I am not judging or hanging the the individuals for their comments on new ideas, but curious “what works for you?” What has obviously worked for you, and why change if it works? Love my ‘06, the ol’ horse, and .204 Ruger was a test. Plenty happy with the.204 but wish I would have gone the 22/250 or .220 Swift route. There is always something to be said about the cartridges of yesteryear, and that’s why they are still around.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yet if they don't innovate new calibers, it's hard to sell newer rifles. Just get them all

[@farmallover4859]

Someone needs to address the new 131 gr bullets for the 25-06... I think in today’s new technology the 25-06 has a lot of potential due to higher bc bullets compared to back in the day... my next built would be a T/C contender with a MGM barrel with a 1-7 1/2 twist

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah you have to have the 1 in 8 twist rate at least for those

[@sugargoldy]

Good video thank you I did a milk jug test with my 6.5 Creedmoor at 10 yards with those 143 ELD X and they completely fell apart and then I did it with Nosler partitions 140 grain and they held up real good but like you said that eld-x does its miracles on out there further and I also did that 140 grain SST s and they completely fell apart also

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Try gmx or barnes ttsx or barnes lrx

[@beingsneaky]

sounds like 25-06 7-08 and 6.5mm are a matter of preference?? all are good rounds.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Pretty much!! And .308, and .260, and 6.5x284

[@johnmetz1158]

The 6.5 does edge out the 25.06, But not enough for me to run out and get one , I really like my 25.06

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Fair enough. I don't blame you. What load do you like in .25-06?

[@johnmetz1158]

Well, I don't hand load, Unfortunately, But I really like Hornady 100 grain the best, The accuracy is unbelievable

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Awesome man

[@robertvasquez240]

I wouldn't opt for either round or caliber. I would go with a .270 WIN, .308 WIN, or a .30-06 Springfield chambered rifle with a minimum 150-180 gr. bullet weight and probably a Nosler Partition or a Remington Cor Lokt bullet design for medium-sized to large game (maybe a 200-220 gr. bullet weight with a .30-06 Springfield for large game) within 200-250 yds. to keep the energy levels fairly high upon impact. Interesting videos!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's fair and had worked for decades! Godspeed and good hunting my friend

[@Me2Lancer]

Yep, I like both cartridges but the Creedmoor penetration won the day.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed. Do this again with nosler partitions

[@tobylynn75]

Ammo shortage so bad here that not even shotgun rounds can be found.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Understand that. That's about all that's left here.

[@T-DsGaming]

I have both so I just use which ever I'm in the mood for. SO many mixed reviews if this ammo, some it works good some it doesn't even work at all. Hornady has great ammo but these ELD-X seem to have a high failure rate. On that note heavy and slow penetrates fluid better.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That'll work

[@jerrywhite4497]

I have a early 70s H&R 25/06 Mauser with a factory Douglas barrel and it's a tack driver. Dang thing weights 9-10 pounds. I'll never sell or trade it.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Sounds accurate !!

[@JamesTaylor-gz8le]

2506 is cool bc it looks like sharpshooters cartridge It gave my brother the worse childhood gun obsession. I ever seen then he inherited it from grampa, a 700. bdl . Med brown stain. Down fall the rifling only lasts half as long as a 3006.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's true, true with .270 as well

[@bradjohnson4787]

Hand loaders would have more potential with the 25.06.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Very true, if they have 1 in 8 twist barrel

[@justinfore1640]

270 wssm needs more love

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Got one for me to borrow?

[@scottzipperer6146]

I reload myself and 3300 or just a little less is standard group size of a nickel at 100yds

[@AlaskanBallistics]

What weight bullet?

[@cory8791]

Great vid!!!!!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks man

[@MountainBikeMusings]

Both are great rounds. The 6.5 will hit harder as you increase distance.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Because .25-06's main downfall is the inability to shoot longer high b.c. bullets

[@nathanmanley4203]

Well considering the eldm is a match bullet i would say that its not the best for hunting. That's why they have the eldx. Also, does anyone have any experience with sellier and bellot exergy in 308?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

No i for s&b

[@nathanmanley4203]

@@AlaskanBallistics lol. Trying to type on my phone with a tanker trailer is difficult sometimes

[@wadebarnes6720]

Good brass and good lead you just got to put your own powder

[@AlaskanBallistics]

ELDX is not good lead.

[@tims.9883]

How do you like the black x1000? Had one given to me but thinking of upgrading. How has it held up for you?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

On that model, there's no turret lock. So i had to wrap duct tape around the turrets to keep them from moving while on my back or on a pack

[@grownfolkstopics2735]

People seem to think there’s something magical about Hornady ELD X ‘ well guys I hate to tell you but all the eld x bullet is ‘ its a cup and core bullet ‘Just basically just a interlock bullet with just a little better BC and Plastic tip And actually the old Interlock will hold together way better then the tipped Bullet ‘ the Eld X and SST is the same thing guys’ And if you keep those bullets on deer size game you will probably have good Results! And as far as coming apart There’s nothing wrong with that ‘ It’s designed to Shed 40% sometimes even 50% of the bullet inside the animal which leads to major damage And wound channels! You will see the same results in any softpoint cup and core bullet!! The tip versions give you a little higher BC and of course Less drag that’s it ‘But out to 400 500 yards BC doesn’t even matter ! If you’re looking for a bullet that holds together nosler Acubond in my Opinion is the best bullet ever made and nosler partition’ those two bullets no matter what your game is from deer up to brown bear or even go to Africa and hunt the deadly five Those bullets will perform Amazingly as long as you put the shot where it needs to be and have the correct caliber for the game that you’re hunting

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I've heard of people having problems with it shredding in whitetail deer too, hit a bone, even a rib bone, and that bullets gone like a vmax. I wouldn't use it on anything over coyotes. Accurate though

[@grownfolkstopics2735]

@@AlaskanBallistics I've heard those stories also'my kid's mother sent me a picture of a nice buck that her brother killed four or five years ago and I couldn't help but notice the gash that the buck had on its shoulder look like someone took a knife and skinned a big portion off I sent her a message back and told her to tell her brother nice buck congratulations but stay away from those sst he text her back and said how did he know LOL he said he had to shoot it twice the first one blew up on the shoulder ! shooting a 270win ! But I've actually had good results with nosler silver ballistic tip and nosler accubonds and of course nosler partition

[@JHolder1422]

i love my 25-06 but i would really love to see Hornady come out with a heavier eld-x or Nosler come out with a heavier ABLR... Something in the 130 range would be fantastic.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Eldx will break apart like vmax at short range. The accubond long range is a good bullet. Just did those in a 6.5 vs 6.5x284 Norma video

[@sancharino6878]

131 ace blackjack. Google it.

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

What the other guy in the comments said

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

After doing a little research because honestly I've never shot the Black Jacks,I correct my statement, I was reading that in order for the 06 to appreciate the 131s they recommend a twist rate of 7.5,most factory 06s come with a 9 or a 10 so unless you have a custom barrel these bullets will do you no good

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Pretty much same thing with the 170gr .277 bullets

[@kennethblevins6172]

My 6.8 western makes the 6.5 look like a toy

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Considering it's basically a short magnum, of course it does... Is not even in the same family of cartridges

[@alanpennick1764]

I have the 2506 and shoot hornady 117 grain supererformance great whitetail round shot six deer with it the farthest one traveled 30 yds some only took a few steps all shots were broadside chest shots

[@alanpennick1764]

Forgot to mention all shots under 100 yds

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Bullet didn't rip apart ? SST?

[@alanpennick1764]

@@AlaskanBallistics bullet went through one one deer found red tip in meat

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Cool

[@Leverguns50]

I don’t think I’d use the 6.5 Creedmoor because it has also failed at long range to expand, Plus I never shoot past 200 it does come in a lever actions The BLR

[@AlaskanBallistics]

And the Henry long ranger

[@shannmartin9361]

I own both 25.06 and 6.5Creedmore let the daughter use my creedmore 130grn Berger bullets and bagged her 1st deer at about 260+yrds good shot through front shoulder ran 20yrd and died. But my 25.06 ive killed bull elk with 120grn Partitions 1 shot kills, numerous whitetail, mule deer & antelope, coyotes with 110 Accubonds and I've never been let down by my 25.06 I also load 110 Accubonds in my .257 weatherby it's my primary wolf goat sheep and caribou rifle. I'm a huge fan advocate and supporter of the .25 bores. But like everyone else I feel the 25.06 could eek out a bit more performance with a 130 grn bullet. Come on Nosler/Barnes get with the program.

[@jesseg6708]

Would use whatever I have ammo for

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Not a bad strategy

[@chuckydubree1925]

I have seen very few calibers that I don't like I gotta get me a 25-06

[@AlaskanBallistics]

They're nice. Get at least a 24" barrel if not 26"

[@southerntriplej8061]

They are both good deer cartridge. I don't think the deer would know the difference. But while hunting in a south Georgia management area many years ago, my buddy stopped the truck and shot a illegal doe at 7 power poles away down a power line. I absolutely couldn't believe it. I don't know how far it was for sure but it was so far I wasn't concerned about him actually hitting anywhere around her. But to my amazement she drops right there with a high shoulder shot. So I have to say the 25/06 will at least kill a doe at too far for anyone who has a ounce of sense would shoot. I do like the creedmoor. I got 2 - 6.5 Grendel's and they do a good job for me out to 250 yards the creedmoor is a bit faster than that so out to 500 I think it's a good choice. I still like the 7mm08 or rem mag better than both for killing stuff.

[@InSightFreedom]

6.5 CM but would love to have one of each. 🤓👍🏻

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Amen brother

[@israelolguin1156]

.25-06 is a true 6.5mm round.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

True 👍

[@stkesq48]

Your disclaimer ?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It's about KZbin's policies with guns... directly addressing things they've demonetized me on before

[@wes326]

I'll keep my .270.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Not disagreeing there

[@garyevans3421]

That’s the downside with boat tail bullets. If they aren’t bonded, jacket and core separation are prevalent at close range. That won’t get it done on larger animals where you need penetration.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Very true. That's why i hunt with barnes lrx

[@garyevans3421]

@@AlaskanBallistics sorry for being so adamant. I’m fresh off arguing with a friend who is too fond of boat tails to the point of appearing to believe that’s a killing agent! 😂 He is a gifted rifleman that I respect, but this viewpoint is maddening to me. They were invented so firing at enemy in trenches at 1000 yards the bullets wouldn’t start tumbling when they slowed down to subsonic. They would only have bearing at ranges neither one of us hunt at. I’m not saying that individual rifles might prefer boat tail bullets. There are now many tough, bonded or monolithic bullets that could be chosen if that’s the case.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I agree with you. I do think they help with drag and i do shoot at those distances sometimes but not for hunting.

[@danoneill2846]

A 308 150 gr SST works great on deer , most were about 100 yds , most dropped , the rest took no more than 12 steps .

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I had a few run on me out of a .308 with sst 16" ar10

[@danoneill2846]

@@AlaskanBallistics I used a 21" M700 most all heart shots

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That'll work

[@AlaskanBallistics]

SSTs tend to grenade period, even in 165gr .308 for me. That was years ago, I've heard they've changed the bullet though.

[@user-vf2hq3xg9c]

My 25-06 gets 3150fps with the 120gr.. Speer Sbt & a full case. Of Retumbo ! As a hunter, why do I need a 6.5 Creedmoor ?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

You don't

[@AlaskanBallistics]

But that being said you could get the creedmoor close with a 120gr handloaded and assuming a 26" barrel in both.

[@malcolmpayne9517]

The 25-06 would've performed better if you had used a 120 grain bullet. They penetrate deeper than the lighter grain bullets. The 6.5 creedmoor was shot into the thinner part of the ribs, and the 6.5 creedmoor is 33 grains heavier. It was obvious that it would penetrate deeper. The lighter grained 25-06 ammo that's designed with polymer tips are nothing more than varmint bullets. The 25-06 shines with 115 or larger grain bullets with styles like accubond, tsx, core lokt, fusion, or winchester silvertips. Don't get me wrong, the lighter bullets will kill deer in the 25-06, but it shines in the heavier weights. I use my 25-06 on varmints mostly, but have killed deer and hogs with it. I own both of these calibers, but I lean towards the 25-06.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I've got a video on the 115gr partitions from .25-06. Any light non bonded ballistic tips are terrible for hunting larger game in my opinion regardless of cartridge they're fired from. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.

[@malcolmpayne9517]

@@AlaskanBallistics I completely agree. I'm a subscriber and enjoy your content. Keep up the great work!!!! 👍

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@malcolmpayne9517 thank you kindly sir!

[@IamONaLIST]

ACE Blackjack has a 131gr 25-06 bullet that will out perform the 6.5 creedmore but you will need a 7.5 twist barrel. If manufacturers and ammo makers could get this right 25-06 would be a lot more popular

[@AlaskanBallistics]

But you can't get a factory firearm with the 1 in 8 twist rate to stabilize it.

[@IamONaLIST]

@@AlaskanBallistics that is my point most have a 1-10 twist rate. Right now you have to have a 25-06 and then replace the barrel. Have one made by Excalibur, Green Mountain Barrels, or another company. I currently don't have a 25-06 (would like to though) but don't know if I want to buy a rifle and then have a barrel made for these loads.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I understand you there man. Hard to justify a barrel for one bullet. Thanks for watching and the comments

[@juliojames5986]

Creedmore should prevail with all the hype and marketing by Hornady and Ruger....However some old calibers will out do it. Never got caught up with the 25/06, it should perform better than it does. 6.5 bullet itself is really good.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Absolutely. Creedmoor sledgehammered a caribou for me this past weekend.