Toyota Made A Huge Mistake

[@albonfilms]

You think the Celica should come back? Argue with me about it on the Albon Discord: discord.gg/RRZFNFpu4q

[@ryanb8736]

I don’t think so, because the switchover to electric is upon us.

[@lazykiller9395]

Are you sure your a car youtuber no offence it just bothered me when you said challenger and showed a charger near the start just pointing it out

[@robsmall6466]

Love the Celica to come back. I think the GR86 has taken the affordable coupe role it had though. Final gen Celica was more an affordable coupe instead of a rival to the the Impreza etc. with both having rally pedigree. There were rumours Celica would come back as an SUV. Like Ford did with the Puma. I'd be heartbroken to be honest. Even if Toyota offered an ST equivalent ( GR ) version and went rallying with it like Ford. It looks like we will have to see what the GR Corolla is going to be like for now

[@andrewenglish3810]

If you have a look at Toyota's EV plans its possible one of their new EV's might be based on the Celica. They plan to release 20 EV's by 2025.

[@misterwin2393]

I think you're overreacting... Not to say Toyota isn't deep in the throes of a MASSIVE f*ckup, but they'll realize it and rename the GT86 within 3 model years, and I'm already counting.

[@זהסודי-ה7מ]

The problem with bringing the Celica back is there's no reason to bring it back. The Celica's legendary reputation currently comes from it's rally legacy, but they currently they use the Yaris. Also, it wouldn't fit as just a fun car because Toyota 86

[@fredd3.14]

I'm sure they could make a crossover out of it

[@paulocuento9949]

@@fredd3.14 god please no.. the eclipse was done as such, and the integra was about on the same street

[@paulocuento9949]

exactly.. plus, the development of the Yaris and Corolla GR versions are good for modest earning people who have daydreams of rallying

[@זהסודי-ה7מ]

@@fredd3.14 nah, Toyota isn't actively trying to destroy their reputation, unlike mitsubishi

[@MaddNomad1015]

Honestly as far as marketing goes that’s how Toyota did good while also messing up. You don’t really need the car named after a 80s Corolla chassis anymore (GR86) now that a GR Corolla hatch is coming out. I also agree that the Yaris in ways should’ve been the Celica since it was primarily known for its rally heritage. They could change the 86s name to Celica and make it AWD. That way you have a AWD Celica and Subaru can have a 22b successor.

[@060racing8]

What Toyota needs to do and I could see it actually happening is bring back the Celica the MR2 and a fast version of the Corolla. Using sharing parts between the three models

[@MaddNomad1015]

I like this. It’s similar to their old lineup but it could really give us 3 special vehicles without them breaking the bank

[@060racing8]

@@MaddNomad1015 in my country the GR Yaris is available the GR Corolla is supposed to be coming for other markets. I really don't think cost of development is a valid excuse Toyota is a massive company with endless resources I have developed a good powertrain the G16E-GTS GR Corolla Celica and MR2

[@SkylineLofe]

well, you wished for a fast version of the Corolla, you've got to move to the US. We're getting the GR Corolla

[@BurnPerimeter]

I heard a rumor about the MR2 getting a successor, but Idk how true that is

[@izzy031096]

GR Corolla has been announced and is coming. GR Yaris is the new Celica. A new Mr-2 would be sick!

[@Nafeels]

The first generation notchback Celica is my all time dream car. I love all things automotive, but the Celica was basically love at first sight. Thanks for this comprehensive video essay of what made Toyota fun.

[@cammymillard7385]

same for me really, but the dream is the celica GT

[@iheartmysquid]

They were beautiful but god they were slow.

[@floyd9572]

Celica Supra is my wet dream.

[@19popo87]

Celica its my lancia delta japanese car.

[@xL0stKIlah]

It made me audibly react. Well done

[@OceanWolf808]

The Celica was a dream car for me as a teen in the 2000s. 20 years later I get a 1991 Supra. So, close enough. lol

[@Sephiroth391]

Duude, MK3 supra IS my dream car

[@uncletrashero]

i loved my mk3 supra. i sold it in 2004, and after a few years i started to regret it. i still regret that. I got a 3000gt and it wasnt worth it.

[@Thenormalguy_real_one]

@@uncletrashero damn

[@ChristopherWhite-yg4hh]

@@uncletrashero give me your 3000gt please. I'd take a 3000gt over a supra all Day. I see supras all the time. But I never see 3000gts.

[@UMPride9NCs]

@@ChristopherWhite-yg4hh You should ask yourself why you don't see many 3000GTs anymore.

[@Raymo2u]

I love my 2001 Celica GTS...I just wish there were more power oriented upgrades for the 2zzge motor. Ive done all I can do without forced induction and its a fun agile car. I just wish I had 60-100 more hp and AWD to make it that much more fun.

[@TZR-pf4nk]

Forced induction IS a power oriented upgrade. IF you want more power turbocharge or supercharge it. Simple.

[@typicalgamer5560]

@@TZR-pf4nk he doesn’t want do use forced induction Changes a lot of things tbh

[@claudedottin1312]

Also if you want awd you would have to get more power to be on same power level to wheels if it was only fwd. take it from someone that drives all drivetrains (FF,FR ,FAwd,MR, FMR)

[@eliseohm8204]

brooo… i have the GT model with the 1zz & they slow as shit & they would set u back 5k-7k to turbo it with not so much power, so I found a 2jz with transmission for 6500👌

[@kublenator]

Why not do it then?

[@rustytracey6187]

As someone who had an 84 Celica GT, 87 Celica GTS, and still has 3 85 Celica Supras, this video really hits home. Great job man.

[@92ford13]

That’s awesome, I’m 19 and just bought a 84 gt-s. It had bad compression on cylinder 4 so I’ve been doing my first engine swap with a 90s 22re from a pickup. The new engine has less than 90,000 miles. I can’t wait to get it back on the road. They are beautiful cars and it was fun to drive with basically 3cyl… can’t wait to see how 4 feels😂

[@zahemi914]

You are one hell of a lucky guy ,mate. . I could only dream of the 81 & 84 GT, ( now could only get hold of an old 2001 MRS... )

[@SilverScarletSpider]

The 4th gen and 5th gen Toyota Celica GTFour Turbo All Trac was the one car to defeat both the Subaru Impreza WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, and yet its rally legacy is often only remembered for cheating engines. Despite the help from Yamaha and Lotus; by the end of its life in the 7th gen, the Toyota Celica was lesser than the Acura Integra, even the Honda Prelude. The Scion tC and Toyota Corolla XRS lived on, but neither outshined the Acura RSX and Honda Civic Si.

[@simonlloyd7557]

but they DID cheat so the point is moot. As for the last generation Celica, it was utter crap.

[@kenshinflyer]

Probably the reason why they discontinued the Celica.

[@GloomGaiGar]

Their rally legacy has been updated is case you're out of the loop. They are once again the kings of WRC with Subaru and Mitsubishi replaced by Hyundai and Ford.

[@WeTryMotorsports]

Proud owner of 2x ST185. It was my dream car due to Carlos Sainz growing up and took me nearly 30 years to get one.. then an additional 5 to get another. Thanks for the video! Great footage, good background.

[@bottlely]

The GR Yaris also happens to be anywhere between 200 - 500 pounds lighter than the ST205 Celica GT-Four. A lot of people keep bitching that the GR Corolla will become too much heavier than the GRY, but it'll likely be right in line with the last GT-Four. Complete with all the modern performance tech and creature comforts.

[@Alltracavenger]

@Robots Can Do Better : You're entitled to your opinion, despite it being about as wrong as it gets.

[@YashaTheFox]

I want a GR Corolla so badly, but I love my Celica GT-Four ST205 I Imported from Japan two years ago. It really is the top shelf Celica and any Toyota fan needs to experience. There's no other car like it.

[@Yohannesb9]

I want to experience this phomonen too

[@elcobra98]

Wish I could, only that my country restricts importations, and the FWD Celica is like 10000 dollars, with the average fellow earning 200 a month, so there's that.

[@SoheiJayce]

Always thought of the Scion TC as the spiritual successor of the Celica T230. FWD, same wheel base and lug pattern making the wheels of the 2 cars swappable easily, has a hatch, and TC reminds me of "T"oyota "C"elica.

[@ericr7162]

That is a fair point. While the tc sucked it was the closest thing to a celica that we had after 2006

[@martin1649]

@@ericr7162 It didn't suck with reliability

[@ericr7162]

@@martin1649 I didn’t say that. I meant it’s a bad drivers car

[@Alltracavenger]

@@martin1649 : I can't call the 2AZ-FE engine that reliable; they are notorious for oil consumption issues. My daily driver is a RAV4 with that particular powerplant and I haven't been all that impressed with it. I think those issues went away when they went to the 2AR-FE, but it's enough to make me steer clear of the TC in the used market.

[@Snarky_Queen]

@@Alltracavenger 2010 was the only year the 1st gen tc didn't burn oil. That's when they fixed the oil burning problem.

[@goosegarage78]

"a certain brittish car show" wasnt using a factory petrol engne. it was a factory diesel engine. the reason the celica was kicked out of the WRC was: toyota changed the angle of the WRC mandated restrictor for all turbos. and was caught cheating when the WRC ordered a strip down of the engine (mandated)

[@jeffy69696]

Celica gts 04 super underrated car probably one of my favorites I’ve ever driven

[@charlesofpunk6372]

I bought a used one fairly recently. Most of the internals are in great shape but every thing else is a major up hill climb as it was last in the hands of a tweaker. This poor car is just crying that it still has life! They rattle canned it, put some crooked ass racing stripes on it, did a really poor repair job on some body damage, quite a few dents, the rotors flanges in the back were busted from the hub part of the rotor, busted windshield, and I can keep going but you get the picture. I feel like I bit off a lot to chew. That's why I need to watch some videos like this hopefully for some inspiration! LMAO!

[@jeffy69696]

@@charlesofpunk6372 they most certainly don’t make cars like those no more and there fairly easy to fix up, hints wy tweakers like them type of cars 😂 there bad were I’m at to you will just see them working on some old eclipsed at 3 in the morning with lights and all kinds of shit 😂

[@seandefore]

I love driving one of the different models that everyone skips over when they do one of the history of Celica video. In the Japanese market for the 5th Gen they had a GT-R 4WS trim that ran the 165hp NA 3S-GE and was FWD but had full time four wheel steering. The SS3 always seems to be forgotten as well in the 6th gen with the 200hp Red Top 3S-GE BEAMS engine.

[@Madzahttr]

Don't forget the 1000 model run of the 1991 20th anniversary edition GT-R 4WS

[@daisei-iketani]

Thanks for this video. Reminds me of my first couple of years in Japan. I still see a classic 70s Celica here in Yokohama every now and then. No gross rubber on the bumpers! 😊

[@mkyalvrz7860]

You can say the Celica carried on a little further through the Scion Tc gen.

[@jacoja06]

Very, very good video. I currently have a ST165 GT-Four with a modified Gen 3 3SGTE swapped from an ST205. It’s utterly terrifying to drive, but I would never trade it for anything else. The ST182/5 feels a tiny bit more grown-up, like a GT car… Would love to own one some day, but they’ve suddenly gotten very expensive over the last 3 years. :-(

[@vrc3714]

Always wanted a ST165, that’s the celica at its most visually striking in my opinion. Sounds like a mean setup you have there too!

[@blackcountryboy9797]

St205 shoulda come out the factory with a 2.2l 5sgte option but like a 22b. 5s on a 3076r with fresh air antilag n meth is truly terrifying!!! 😎

[@teemcshanney8910]

Can you put model numbers and years on them? Nonenthusiasts don't understand those ST205 and GEN3 3sgte numbers. Basically what should I look for if I want to buy one?

[@jacoja06]

@@teemcshanney8910 Sure! There are three generations of GT-Four Celicas. The first generation of GT-Four is the ST165, which is based on the 4th Generation Celica - built between 1986-1989. This was the car which Toyota won their first drivers championship in the World rally championship. The second generation GT-Four is the ST185, based on the 5th generation Celica - built between 1989-1993. This won three drivers championships, and two constructors championships in the WRC. The third GT-Four is the ST205, based on the 6th generation Celica - built between 1994-1999. This was the one suspiciously quick off the start line compared to the other competing cars in the WRC. It was found to have an very well engineered, yet very illegal bypass for the turbo intake restrictor and was banned by the FIA. The first generation 3SGTE engine was in the ST165, second gen 3SGTE was in the ST185, and third gen 3SGTE was in the ST205. They did make a fourth gen 3SGTE which Toyota used in the Japan-only Caldina GT-Four. All awesome cars. IMHO, the best of the bunch to buy as an appreciating asset would be the 'CS' or 'RC' edition of the ST185. I hope this helps

[@JRWperformance]

@@jacoja06 currently running an st165 with a 4th generation swap. 4th gen motors are great option right now...

[@Indarow]

I owned a 2001 Celica GTS as my first car. Picked it up for 3k by some unknown miracle. I absolutely loved that car, but I screwed up and blew the motor up in the mountains a couple years after I got it. It handled great, looked great. was pretty damn comfortable and was able to hit double the CA freeway speed limit. What more could you want in a first car?

[@izzy031096]

Let me guess, you were taking long corners while maintaining high rpm?

[@Indarow]

@@izzy031096 lol just about. It didn’t help that I was stupid and didn’t change the oil for nearly 10K.

[@andycruzatx3387]

@@Indarow poor car, died choking on sludge oil.

[@Indarow]

@@andycruzatx3387 yup. Like I said, I was an idiot.

[@SkyShadowReviews]

Great history lesson on the Celica! Loved the Celica even before I got my driver's license! Hope they bring it back.

[@candycabngfl]

My older brother had a 74 Celica GT in the early 80's. The years he had it he built a pretty radical motor for it. It was over bored with a bunch of head work, cam, dual Mikunis, full header and exhaust etc. Did a bunch of suspension work as well and ran Yokohama A008R tires. It was legit fast on tight roads and stuck like glue. Now that we are old guys in our 50's that Celica is one car we wish was still in the family today.

[@hollowedtip4595]

Would have been cool if you didn't skip right over the ST-202s. The SS-2 had some incredible models. The Beams engine, superstrut suspension.

[@danielvisintainer3352]

The content just keeps getting better and better and I’m here for it

[@b08m4rt1n]

22:50 "An engine that was co-developed with Yamaha" Basically describes every twin cam engine that was ever put into a Celica.

[@detomazio915]

Proud owner of a 4th gen GT model, here in greece it came with the mighty 4AGE bigport engine. Even though it isn't rwd , it is more fun than some rwd I have driven (e.g. bmw z3 ) , because of its agility and low center of gravity (for the record , it is the second lowest chasis toyota ever produced , with the first being the 2000gt ). With some konis and a bigger tyre , works wonders

[@farleymarly2575]

Lovely car mate

[@hsnkrdy]

Must be awful lots of fun racing that thing up and down the egnatia odos

[@detomazio915]

@@hsnkrdy nah... Not a big fan of straight line speed . I mostly enjoy it on some twisty roads

[@innotafanofanyofjlbjlbissd6777]

You’re Italian and you live in Greece ? Nice

[@ScramTek]

Just discovered your channel and loving the content! I’m rapidly consuming past output. Great production, fantastic archive footage and detailed presentation. If I have one criticism it’s that I’d like to see more time taken for each topic. You provide so much info in a rapid style that it can feel like you’re not giving yourself, and us, enough time to savour the details. Either make each episode longer or break up the topic into a mini-series of episodes. Just my humble opinion…

[@k.e.v]

Albon day! I look forward to this every other month!

[@albonfilms]

Hahahahahhaa

[@MartinHervy]

Your videos are just so pleasant to watch entirely. And the topics are great everytime. Keep 'em coming!😎

[@ae92levingtapex]

Great video, thankyou! The Celica has had a huge following here in Australia, and I even used to be a member of the Classic Celica Club of South Australia! The members still are very active in motorsport, using these cars in all disciplines!

[@izzy031096]

Same over here in NZ mate 👍

[@czaczaczar]

I grew up playing Gran Turismo & Sega Rally Championship when I was a kid. The Celicas, MR2s & Supras immediately caught my attention. I loved the 5th, 6th & 7th gens the most from the Celicas. Those were my childhood dream cars.

[@DJScopeSOFM]

The ST205 GT-FOUR is still my all time favourite car. They're so rare now. It suck that I will probably never be able to own one.

[@wam240]

Dont buy the wrc homologation version that's like 45k. I just bought a st205 in the states for 18500. Only 75k miles

[@DJScopeSOFM]

@wam240 nah just the road version. But there's aren't man left in Australia unfortunately.

[@kenc8359]

I had the 1974 LT 1.6 litre Celica, followed by the 2nd generation 1978 Liftback 1.6 litre. I upgraded the Liftback with Bilsteins. I loved both cars!

[@BrickF1]

Oh do I love my 1994 Toyota Celica. Such a beautiful car

[@GREM0RY-69]

same here

[@DTrain808]

I have a 94 ST HB w/ st185 all trac swap sitting in my backyard. Been working on this project for 3 years it’s hard to find parts this just gives me motivation to keep going 🤟🏾

[@hudsonensz2858]

I owned a 03 Celica GT, was pretty neat but I like my 92 MR2 better

[@Dowlphin]

22:46 The ST205 GT-Four engine was partially made with help from Yamaha, too. Definitely the valve train, probably the cylinder head. I don't remember the details. That's why it can reliably rev to 7900. I got the engine in a Corolla, which causes me continuing grief because I can't afford to repair and use the car but I'd never want to sell it, for several reasons. As for the 6th gen Celica... I find the front ugly but the turbo version's nose grill fixed that powerfully. - And the 7th gen I find too disharmonious with its long and roundish front and the rear looking cut off, like a brick. - I witnessed the engine in person, though, and videos don't do it justice. It is so exciting. (Although the 3S-GTE is pretty fun, too, and maybe even more so because there is no cam switchover you have to time properly.) Video example is in followup comment, but got hidden. So search for "Toyota Corolla E11 Turbo (3S-GTE) acceleration and sound demo".

[@MaddNomad1015]

The GR Yaris should’ve been the Celica honestly. Or rename the GR86 to the GR Celica since it shares some design cues with the Supra like the older cars.

[@brian-nf1tx]

GR Celica🤩

[@CarsnLemonsTV]

Many fanboys would have stunk up with iTS nOt a rEAL cEliCA ItS a hATChbaCk

[@tempestsquall5882]

Yaris wheel base is too short and too much top end. Can still make a Celica a hatch without giving it hatch priority like the Yaris. I hope you people never work for a car company.

[@MaddNomad1015]

@@CarsnLemonsTV You are right. They don’t know anything about the cars though, they just fanboy. For example, GR Corolla is coming out and people say the GR86 is the true successor to the AE86 (yet it shares no relation to the 80s Corolla and has a ZN6/ZN8 chassis code). The GRC’s chassis code is chronological (E210) and is actually a Corolla. Lmao. With the Celica people wouldn’t mind due to the rally tech and purpose probably or just rename the 86. Toyota needs to reassess their lineup and marketing in my opinion. Everything just seems so backwards now

[@MaddNomad1015]

@@tempestsquall5882 that’s why I just said rename the GR86 since it fits a Celica description better. But you do seem pretty smart probably work a Office Depot job, then talk that shit on KZbin on your spare time. You should apply to work for Toyota on the careers page. Lol

[@mackchannel6348]

The Celica is the chassis I grew up with. Two of my buds and me made a balls out Denver Colorado to Bremerton Washington endurance trip to be at a bro's wedding in a second gen Calty-design Celica. We made that trip in under 19 hours in the dead of winter 1988. One of us slept in the back with the seats down, one sat in the copilot seat keeping the driver on point, and one of us sat in the driver's seat keeping the long skinny pedal flat to the floor--rally style. On my shift, overdriving the headlights hilariously dangerously on a deserted stretch of I-80 I hit a mangled, roadkilled deer at I believe the high side of 100mph and we just kept going. Swerving would have been madness. Once, while sleeping, as we traversed Oregon in the increasingly thickening snow, I awoke to the Celica spinning out of control in the right lane and shoulder as a 18-wheeler passed us in the left lane. On the way back, I was copilot and the state troopers rolled on us. We pulled over and when my buddy was asked if he knew how fast he was going, said "Yes, sir, I do. 120." The only way he knew for sure was I was timing him from the mile markers. We got let go with a warning and we kept it down for the rest of the way home. I'll never forget that trip. A guy parked a sweet looking silver 4th gen Celica hatchback at the place I worked in the late 80s, and I spent some time checking it out--it was a great looking car. Futuristic and forward looking for the time. The first new car I bought, and my third car, was a 1991 Celica ST--not the best styling in the back, and not very powerful at 103hp, but a pleasure to drive with the notchy manual transmission. Now, I have a JDM 1992 ST185 Celica GT-Four with a carbon fiber CS Edition hood replica. I see none of these out there. Supras? Yes. Skylines? Yes. RX-7s? Yes. 300Zs? Yes. The Celica GT-Four (AllTrac) is a very pleasurable ride, and gets a lot of love. It's a good boi. People see it and then they realize what it is and then the conversation starts. Even nine months into owning it, I still poke my head out to look in the garage to check--yes, I still have one. I'm a rather silly amount into it, when everything from parts to services to tools and consumables and improvements are taken into account. Could Toyota have sold me a new Celica for say $35 to $40K? Yes. But they don't have one. They have a Subaru that they call the GR86. They have a BMW they call the Supra. The Yaris GR-Four is unavailable and unattractive. They're finally coming around to bring out a Corolla GR that looks to be something of a go-er. But no Celica. And that's just dumb, Toyota. A retro feel, comparatively lightweight, chip-light platform with a bombproof 200-250hp plant and 4WD would blow minds.

[@kc_toxic5185]

Had a 6th gen celica 2 months ago definitely one of the coolest, affordable comfort machines there is sadly lost in when some guy flew into it and totaled it beyond repair. Due to not having enough time nor money myself and with insurance not paying out enough had to leave the car behind. 🥺

[@bobastu]

I had a 1990 Celica GT-S... that car was a built like a tank. Barely anything went wrong in a 150,000 miles. System 10 stereo, moon roof, lift back, gorgeous lines, from the wide body stance to the symmetrical lights on the back. The All-Trac Turbo in that generation was a let down compared to the Eclipse All-Wheel Drive Turbo, the GSX. The All-Trac time was 7.4 seconds compared to GSX time, 6.4 seconds. Both had almost the same power and torque output. In 95, I bought a Talon AWD. She was nice, but to this day I miss my Celica.

[@ljphoenix4341]

Albon is such an amazing channel. The content and production quality for a small channel is seriously good. This video made me understand and love the Celica even more than I did before watching.

[@vhg7]

I had an '80 Celica GT hatchback with the 20R engine and automatic transmission. It was pre-owned with about 100K on the motor when I got it. That car gave me so much headache that I sold it after owing it for just 1 year. In 2002 I bought my GT-S with a manual 6-speed transmission and the factory Action Package body kit. It's the best car I've owned, to date, with 420K on the motor and still running. Maybe because I'm the original owner so the longevity of this second Celica is from my driving habit and how I've kept it maintained.

[@yiyangcheng]

A KZbinr mechanic out in Tennessee would be very proud if Toyota bring the Celica back lol

[@DaveyNavarro]

HAHAHAHA

[@abcd-qo4qp]

who?

[@yiyangcheng]

@@abcd-qo4qp KZbinr rhymes with shotty skilmer

[@stevegraham3817]

There was also Twin Cam versions of the engines with twin side draft carbies available in the JDM GT models. The early twin cam heads also had Yamaha casting marks. The 2 litre 18RG and 1600 2T and 1800cc 3TG with 40mm Solex carbs come to mind, there was also EFI versions of those engines.

[@MrFmccarty]

I had a 1979 GT and a 1984 GTS THOSE WERE MY FAVORITE VEHICLES EVER!

[@izzatsufian2796]

Celica , MR2, Supra and other Toyota sport cars are like families.

[@gurulaghima6518]

4th gen Celica sold badly? That's a genuine surprise because they were everywhere in England back in the day

[@hexaarmortaga9957]

Maybe just U.S sales?

[@Rman1228]

1:19 anyone figure out what the name of this background beat was? I hear it on most of his videos from the past year but I can't find the song title

[@MorrisDugan]

The Scion tC was awfully close to a Celica, though, and very affordable. The all-glass roof made me nervous, though the car overall turned out to be very crashworthy, at least with deer.

[@MorrisDugan]

@grug69 Why is it more different from the last Celica than the differences between the different Celica generations? At one point, they switched the Celica from RWD to FWD.

[@MorrisDugan]

@grug69 Isn't it more the size of a Corolla? There's a 2-door Camry called the Solara. So you're saying the tC doesn't even qualify as a sporty car except for the appearance? I never had a Celica, but I had been assuming I got the next best thing. I did like it all right. Around 10-15 years ago, I tried a few times to get a used 6th generation Celica, but every time I went to look at one, it would have some kind of fatal flaw.

[@Culumbu]

My current and only car its a Daihatsu Charmant, this is a sibling of the Carina, which is the sedan version of the Celica in the first generation, also known as the TA22 chasis, the mechanical is the same, the engine, transmission, steering, everything under the hood is the same, except for the carburetor, a very reliable and trustworthy car

[@nayoxd]

Ive been appreciating celicas more and more, now I love them !!

[@HeyItsRed_]

21:07 Fun fact, Toyota cheating that year lead to the success of the Subaru WRX STI and eventually the creation of the legendary 22b

[@volkte37]

Great video. Enjoy Albon content. Shame the BEAMS ST202 wasn't mentioned though. 200ps 3SGE engine available in the 6th generation in Japan. Fantastic swansong for that car.

[@albonfilms]

There were a couple awesome special versions of each car that I ended up cutting out for time! This was one of them, but tbh I should have left it in! Such a cool motor.

[@asnhowl]

As an owner of a BEAMS swapped (lhd) Celi, I must agree. Always awesome when I meet people who realise what the BEAMS is, I wish there were a little more general knowledge on them outside of japan. Otherwise was a nice video.

[@volkte37]

@@asnhowl my dream car (and I'm not being dramatic, if o won lotto it's still my dream car) is an MR2 with a BEAMS. I used to have a 270ps turbo and it was amazing but the 200ps BEAMS is perfect for my driving ability. Plus love how it sounds. Enjoy your Celica as long as you can.

[@volkte37]

@@albonfilms understand! Still very enjoyable video!

[@Ozarkprepper643]

My first Toyota was a 1975 Celica ST Coupe. I still have it today and it has 43000 miles on it no dents or dings. In 76 I purchased a Hilux unfortunately it was taken out in a accident in 79. (if only other people could Drive). But after 83,000 mi the insurance company hey the purchase price of the truck plus $800. And I was allowed to keep the truck. After it got extreme weight training it became a desert racer and mud Bogger for the following 15 years. But I digress. In 76 after purchasing the Hilux I also purchased a Celica GT liftback. I still have that car today. It has over 800,000 mi on it. The funnest car I have ever owned. And decades ago I found it was the easiest drifting car as well. Extremely well-balanced car. It's had a number of engines at my age likely has the last. But is not a 20R or a 22R. I wedged a turbocharged V12 out of the Toyota century. The engine puts out 640 HP with mild manners. In 77 I purchased a Corolla and drove it a number of years with 40- 45 mph. In 1977 I purchased another Hilux but it was the custom 1 ton with a stretch frame for the extended cab they had the back bench seat and a long bed with Duallys underneath. I had that truck till I sold it to a friend in the 90s. I then had a 79 long bed I turned into a street truck we had extensive head work. and would run tens in the quarter mile. Then purchased a 1980 4 x 4 long bed with vent windows. I still have that truck it has just over 400,000 miles. It sits on 44 inch tires with 5:29 gearing in the Marlin crawler. it also has the stroker stage 3 22R and a 5-speed. I then a 84 4x4 long bed. lost it off a cliff years later. Back to the Celica's. Had the 93 all-wheel drive with turbocharger. it wasn't the special edition but it was a blast. that car was a total loss after burnt up on the side of the freewayin 2001. And then the last Toyota I ever purchased. A 2001 two wheel drive Tundra with V6. I have a large number of vehicles of all makes going back to 1939. I try to drive each one at least once a month. Or One A Day. LOL

[@freddysevolution9]

I love your videos. Bringing education to vehicle history. Keep up the good work!

[@sixtoseven7563]

My 1993 celica gt will remain the most fun car of my life. It wasn't fast but handled unbelievably. Put a cold air intake and Pacesetter exhaust on, it sounded baaad. Those hideaway headlights ! Put a sunroof and bodykit on, it was beautiful. Ran Michelin low profile tires on American Racing rims. There was a curvey section of road on my way home from work along the Delaware River which we took at about 80mph, my celica stuck like glue to those curves. I remember going to my toyota dealer for some help and direction but the TRD section was one guy at the parts department who wasn't interested, I knew more about what was available. Most of the mods I did I found on the internet where some guy in CA posted what he had done. Eventually I sold it to my buddy's daughter to drive to college. She still has it. The only repair expense I had was the motor for the retractable antenna. I ran into a guy in Ireland years later who had a turbo with the same body style as my 93 but his was newer. Toyota's problem was this selling some models here, some there. I ran into an older couple at the mall who had an All-Trac turbo 93 celica once too. They were from CA. I see the koreans as more the natural extension of the celica than toyota. The former are building their name on sporty fun imaginative vehicles while the latter long ago chose building their bank accounts.

[@CodeineAbdulJabbar]

This channel is so good. Should have so many more subs I don’t get it. Just a quality as say a channel like Donut Media

[@paulocuento9949]

if you like this channel.. watch Hagerty as well

[@CodeineAbdulJabbar]

@@paulocuento9949 I do

[@DailyLifeSolution]

Can anybody tell me the name of synthetic music file used in background of this video between 16:00 and 16:30?

[@toyotagaz]

If I was Japanese I'd be very proud of my country

[@reycaballero2462]

Awesome vid as always!!! FYI... Carlos "El Matador" Sainz Sr. is still racing today as we speak on the 2022 Dakar rally and still winning. Although driving an Audi EV...

[@ExxonYT]

6th gen celica gang

[@RipperYouTubeOfficial]

I have a mint condition 2003 Celica GTS. I'll post a picture of it under my community tab. I started with a 78 Celica, sold it 280k miles, grabbed a 93, then ordered a brand new 2000GTS in late 99, and about 2 years ago came across the one I currently have. If they ever drop another one, I'll definitely get it. I do think they'll bring the Celica back in about 6 years.

[@soyanchd5439]

Albon is my favorite car channel with Hagerty and Donut Media. Love the voice, the editing, the pace… great stuff

[@MongoSlade334]

I came across your channel while surfing KZbin. I'm 49, I thought I know about the Celica until I watched your video. I'm now subscribed hooked on this channel!

[@jacobasuncion3132]

I would love to find a first Gen Celica and throw a JZ engine

[@troy9er]

I had 4 Toyotas in the past 2 Celica’s and 2 Supra’s. 83 GT and 85 Celica GTS then an 84 Supra then an 86.5 Supra (non-turbo). Now I have an old 02 Highlander in inherited from my Mom when she passed on. Love that little SUV. It is an early one with the 2.4 4 banger but has pretty good power and better mileage than the V-6. I only use it as a commuter car and I live less than 5 miles from work. Great little SUV.

[@ShouldBeDrawing]

Honestly, I consider the current Toyota 86/subaru BRZ as a spiritual successor to the RWD celicas, mildly underpowered but handles pretty great.

[@wangandriver]

Cnat find this drag race anywhere 23:14 ,i know its from bestmotoring but i cant find the vid, anyone wanna help ?

[@SuperKingDingo]

You crushed this! You should be so proud of how in depth and passionate this video came out! Bravo brotha… Bravo… 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@ecosme1970]

Informative but didn't crush it. My explanation is posted above.

[@MOARbeer]

2:18 where you are talking about the stock motor that America got. You posted a video of my father's celica from back in the day. He built that in Sacramento. It had an 18RGEU in it not the stock 18rc. If anyone has seen that car in the Sac area I'd love to have it back. Lost my dad 2 years ago.

[@michaellangdon8347]

You've failed to mention the jdm spec gt notch back had a 1.6 twin cam twin carb 2tg, and later it and the lift back got the 2.0 18rg twin cam twin carb motor with way more power and features than the rest of the world got

[@92ford13]

I am a new proud owner of a 1984 celica gt-s notchback. It is my first project car and it is beautiful. I’ve been doing an engine swap with a newer 22re from a truck with less than 90k miles due to really bad compression on cylinder 4 on the celica 22re. I can’t wait until I get it back on the road. Already mounted a 1st gen MR2 spoiler on it and it looks like it belongs there.

[@_carlosamontoya_]

The 86 should have been an inline 4 RWD Celica

[@paulocuento9949]

to a certain extent, it is... the 86 is like playing the role of celica now ---a sportscar above the pedestrian commuter toyota, but a notch below the supra.. my statement may just be hyperbole, but if toyota decides to rally with the 86, then i was probably "ok, guess i was right"

[@MaddNomad1015]

It kind of is… especially since the Corolla hatch is coming out, at this point they should change the name. The whole marketing strategy they have is kind of everywhere now

[@sigmaprojects]

If any foreign car company wants to sell a large amount of enthusiast center cars they should look again at what American car companies have done. 2+2 mid size two doors, with multiple trim levels. The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger all out sell any import sports car by magnitudes of sometimes 10x. Just take a look at the sales data. When the Toyota Celica was a more roomy 2+2 sports car it sold the most. Maybe not as much as a Mustang, but when you're selling half as many cars as a Mustang you're winning as a foreign car maker. Now it seems like what is deemed a success by foreign makes is if they sell 1/10th of what an American sports car sells.

[@v8_sami]

You either die a hero or live long enough to be a crossover. -- Mitsubishi Eclipse lol

[@claponclapoff6]

How do you post a picture of a 1980 Toyota Celica liftback that still runs and will ride again?

[@tyler04a51]

the way the st205 got banned in rally was quite amazing, toyota found a way to tighten the restricted in the turbo to increase the airflow by quite a bit and that airflow added around 50 extra hp which isnt much but when all of the other cars in the celicas class were meant to be 300bhp and the celica ran about 350, that was quite the difference. the examiners that found out about the restrictor tightening were very surprised and impressed that toyota found a way to do what they did. ive just heard about a new celica that is supposedly coming too which is meant to be powered by a hydrogen engine, i hope it looks good.

[@danstory4286]

I have a '77 but I outfitted it with the 3.5 liter EcoBoost (450hp/520 ft.lbs. of torque), a T-56 and an '89 T-bird SC IRS geared to 3.08:1. It only looks like a Celica, now.

[@giantblob7075]

What is the background music at 16:00?

[@wimmj6952]

Lusted after the st185 since they came out, finally got mine a few months ago, was afraid to meet my hero and be let down. 100% stock its a bit of a dog but with a mbc and a tick more boost than stock has transformed it, such a fun car, unlike anything out there today. Everything now just seems so muted.

[@maximhussey6311]

Just picked up my first GT4. Any recommendations for first mods?

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

It's insane to me how those old "boring" toyotas are some of the most sought after cars today. And they are sky rocketing in value.

[@GloomGaiGar]

These were not the boring toyotas though.

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

@@GloomGaiGar They were when they came out. They weren't considered the cream of the crop. They were looked at the same as hyundai was in the early 90's just cheaper options.

[@EchoSigma6]

I grew up with the Celica, owned a 2nd generation coupe that I eventually modified. It had good looks, reliability, and was a decent daily driver. However, the car was basically a poser. It had the truck motor that ran out of breath as the RPMs went up, a live rear axel, poor steering, inappropriate weight distribution, and a ridiculous long shifter throw. It was basically a car with truck components. My friends that had Datsuns and Mazdas called it the SLO-yota. Thanks for the journey down memory lane.

[@Nicmakingstuff]

I owned a 1978 Celica GT Liftback UK spec which had the 18rg twin cam engine, I still miss that car today. Legend has it that the 18rg was a pirated copy of the Lotus twin cam engine, Toyota took the engine and had it re-engineered to get rid of the reliability problems that lotus had, and made an awesome 4 cyl 2 ltr engine that would pull like a locomotive from 1500 rpm to 5500 rpm with a smooth torque curve. I'm pretty sure the engineering was done by Yamaha because the cylinder heads had Yamaha tuning fork logos in the castings. The rumour over her in the UK is that Lotus bought up a bunch of the 18rg engined GTs and tore them down to find out what had been done to the engines to make them reliable. Whatever the story, it was a great car, if only it hadn't succumbed to the dreaded Japanese tin worm of the 70's.

[@andrewgregory151]

Have a 1980 odometer was maxxed out a few times could be anywhere from 300k to 900k miles. Inside was so bad it literally crumbled to touch. Engine had slightly low but good compression. All the smog and Ignition shit has been a pain (ran fine but failed smog, tried chasing issues but made it worse) its smoother offroad than my brothers impreza and rides better than my thunderbird. It feels fast until there is a slight hill. Tach is broken or its got a mad cam revs to 8k before losing power. At its peak was getting 24 avg. Love manual sunroof

[@mattcee7113]

Toyota got rid of the Celica and all of their 2 door sports cars in North America due to the shift of new car buyer preferences. People needed a bigger car and 4 doors making SUV's more popular. Now in 2022, you can find an economy car in a SUV body. I don't think Toyota made a huge mistake, they had to kill off the Celica due to poor sales. If Toyota wanted to bring back the Celica it likely be in a different body style.

[@DemonDomain666]

The song @5:15 anyone know the name? Caught my ear as soon as it started playing(song before the one i timestamped would be nice to know too)

[@Rman1228]

I know these sounds are on Epidemic Sound, as he linked in the description, but there's over 35,000 sounds to go through without any song titles

[@DemonDomain666]

​@@Rman1228 i found it after a thorough search after seeing another vid with the same song(used yt to search instead of epidemic's site) song is Future Joust - Sunset Drive

[@myjunkinyourtrunk1872]

people didnt want bigger family cars. it was the beginning of young people not being able to afford anything.

[@RnR1001]

Scotty still has his celica.

[@SethHollingshead]

I had a red 94 celica. I loved it especially as a 19 year old. Every dime I made went into. Had custom red black leather seats stock seats not race buckets. Carbon fiber hood lowered on springs not coilovers . Coilovers then where not where they are now and way high..black 18s polished lip. Oem spoiler no rice lol. Blacked out windows and a beast if a system. Resprsyed the engine bay swapped to a newer dual cam engine. Custom air intake. Full header and exhaust. I Paid $350 and traded a stripped down 96 s10 extra cab show truck that I bought from the same guy for $500 un stripped. He owned a junk yard so I had good connection..I always called her the sister of the late 90s supra. Then..I met the awd celica turbo 3sgte. Iv always wanted one. Rhd obviously lol 😆

[@SethHollingshead]

And I have a 2000 echo lol. Never left the family and ya as a young teenager it was cool but. My brother passed the payments to my mom then I drove it awhile till I got my celica. My dad drove it then my younger brother back to my dad and then recently me 340k miles strong lol

[@spicytuna62]

When I was a little kid, we had a silver 1984 5MT Celica GT Hatchback. It finally got parked in like 2004 with 386,000 miles on it. I don't know which engine it had, but it did have pop up headlights. I miss that little car.

[@simonhunt9152]

great content I on a 92 celica gt auto kniwn as the celica sx here in australia and a 1990 NA fairlady 300zx manual. love them both but the 300zx is always a nervous drive but the celica is bullet proof , you simply never think it could break sown ...brilliant car.

[@STAG162]

still don't know what a "sellicka" is, but I've had my 4th gen for over 15 years. go on, rag on FWDs, hate them all you want, I'll just bottle your tears. if I didn't love it, it wouldn't have lasted a year. very modifiable while still being a great daily driver. FYI: every GE or GTE head ever produced for Toyota comes from Yamaha. it didn't start at the 7th gen Celica, it started waaay back with the 2000GT in the 1960's.

[@MaddNomad1015]

The great debate. If it means anything the Japanese pronounce it “Seddica” similar to the Sellicka but with a D. But pronunciation came down to whatever the market advertised the car as!

[@alternateself1244]

7M-GE

[@skylinefever]

I never really thought of the 70s Celica so much because the Datsun 240Z was so great. I overlooked the later Celicas, because a Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX was much less expensive than a Celica Alltrac. The Celica was far better built, but almost nobody had one because they didn't want to spend that much money. I didn't care that much for the Celica that came after the ST205. Just another FWD car an no turbo. Yawn. I had an automotive teacher who used to hate Toyotas. However, in the late 70s, he was broke after a divorce. He needed a car, and he found a Celica that ran like crap because half the smog devices that stopped working were hacked off, and he had to hack off the remaining ones to make the car run. Once he did, he beat the heck out of the car for years and barely had to do anything to keep it going. When he finally built himself back up, he bought a new Toyota truck with a 22RE engine, and never looked back. He told everybody they should get a Toyota. My dad owned 2 Toyotas during the 70s. He bought a 1971 Corolla because car reviews showed it had the fewest mechanical problems in its price range. He drove it for years and only had to occasionally replace a clutch slave cylinder. He didn't complain, it was a cheap and easy job to do. He had to sell it during his marriage. When divorced, he bought a 1979 Corolla. It was more powerful, had a 5 speed transmission, and an air conditioner. 5:30 Eventually Japan did get smog legal cars. If the purchase price of the Fairlady Z432 and early GT-R didn't end it, trying to make a triple carb engine pass smog probably would. 5:51 Is that a DOHC engine I see? The USA definitely didn't get that. Maybe during the 70s, a DOHC engine was just absurdly expensive? Many Japanese cars got DOHC engines and/or turbo engines early on because they taxed engine displacement. That put on an incentive to get as much horsepower to liter as possible. It's why the early Nissan GT-R and Fairlady Z432 has a 2.0L DOHC inline 6 with 3 carbs. 5:57 Japan doesn't always get the best stuff. The Datsun 280ZXT was better than the Fairlady S130 Turbo because of displacement tax. Their car had to settle for a L20ET instead of an L28ET. The U11 Maxima was a steaming pile of crap. They shoehorned a 3.0L V6 where they should have only put an inline 4 when they sold it in the USA. The tight space scorched everything to death, and anybody familiar with a 300ZXTT knows what it's like. Well, thanks to displacement tax, their U11 Maxima had a 2.0L turbo V6 in the same cramped space, making the effect even worse. I sometimes wonder how many members of team Nissan died of karoshi putting that disaster together. 7:30 The 20R eventually became the 22RE, one of Toyota's toughest engines. Also, having EFI was a massive improvement over the 1980s smog carb, smog gimmicks, and miles of vacuum junk to operate it. 10:00 good thing you brought displacement tax into it, it has resulted in all kinds of difference between cars sold in the USA and Japan. 15:30 I saw that Toyota was still using VAF sensors instead of heated wire MAF sensors, or just using speed density. a VAF puts a serious choke hold on how much air an engine can take, that's why their AE86 4AGE was said to have 130HP and ours was said to have 118HP. Their 4AGE was speed density, ours was VAF. The heated wire MAF was invented in 1982, but not everybody went for it at the same time. 19:25 Did that inspire Mitsubishi to create the Evo 6.5 TME? What I hated about that generation of the final Celica generation was no turbo in the MR-S. To me, having a turbo in the earlier MR2 made for a disappointment in the MRS. When the 350Z was introduced, I felt like it was ruined. This Corolla GR excites me. Rally cars should never die, and Subaru shouldn't be able to corner the market on them. I still intend to buy an Evo X because there won't be another one.

[@nunyabissness1]

Along literally makes the automotive Journalism I've always wanted to make but I'm just sooo unmotivated to give it a proper shot. These are all great videos man, been watching for a while

[@Danger_mouse]

20:50 Note for the author - Any time you see a 'G' in the Toyota engine code, that means Yamaha did the cylinder head 👍 4AGE, 3SGTE, 18RG etc were all standard wheezy Toyota engines brought alive with help from Yamaha 👍

[@obvVexi]

20:11 what are those headlights

[@mitsubishikid1187]

The hilux featured in top gear did not have a 22r or 22re, it was a diesel model if i recall correctly, and the 22re had issues as any engine would with maintenance they can last a long time, most notably the single row 22re timing chains were prone to wearing the plastic guides aka the rattle of death, if ignored long enough it would shred the plastic guides, and in extreame cases the chain would in time eat a hole into the aluminum cooling jacket, spilling coolant directly into the oil pan, the 22re is a nice engine but if you want it to be a legendary reliable one you have to swap to a dual row chain and get the upgraded metal guides.

[@clete3977]

1:14 That's Herb from WKRP in Cinncinnati.

[@Combatwhombat]

Owned a '94 GT4 when i lived in Japan. Absolutely adore that car.

[@andrewnorris5415]

My boss has a GT4, I had an MR2 MK2. my other boss had a Minshbisi 3000GT. Friends had MR2s, VW Sciocorros and Golfs - all VR6. We used to go carting. The 90s! The boss with the 3000GT was the most respected. Oddly we did not appreciate the GT4 that much back then perhaps as much as we should have. We were only a small software company with 50 employees, but we liked our cars.