You don't even know what I'm doing. Second interrogation of Shelton. law abiding citizen

[@lawlietsImagination]

After Nick says "If you even touch my family" look at how Clyde looks at him. Like yes...you understand now? Someone DID touch his family. This movie is amazing.

[@johndunn1625]

Agree. would have been a perfect opportunity for Clyde to say something to the effect of "what, you'll turn into me?"

[@Comeonman4reel]

That was dumb for nick to try to act swoll not knowing wtf he’s dealing with

[@violabeaumont3758]

@@Comeonman4reel It was the entire flaw of the character Jamie Foxx was playing. They wanted us to sympathize with the 'hero' lawyer, but he was made so stupidly self righteous and arrogant he was impossible to like in any manner.

[@towenaar4142]

Alls it takes is one bad day.

[@maniksewak1104]

@@violabeaumont3758 they definitely DID NOT want us to sympathize with the lawyer. They wanted us to sympathize with the “bad guy”

[@asherintech]

This film could have honestly been an absolute masterpiece and then they had to go all Hollywood with the ending. Wish they’d switch it up and not always have this good guys win type sh*t

[@paulmccloud9395]

Yeah this movie was a 9 up until the end then it dropped, hard. Could have been a classic. I have seen a few movies where the bad guy won, and they were great movies, because it's such a rare thing. And I've also seen several where the bad guy winning would have massively elevated the movie, this was one of them.

[@MapexRG]

Kind of like Seven. Thankfully we still have that one

[@rayjaymor8754]

@@paulmccloud9395 I think the problem was, up until Shelton blew up the DA's office (and killed innocent / uninvolved people) I'm not so sure he was a "bad guy" - that part of the movie was jarring because all of a sudden the movie seems to have just assumed you were backing Nick...

[@TheBLT883]

Nick was NOT the good guy in fact almost every major character was a bad guy except maybe the girl she was still innocent and naïve but Nick was most definitely a bad guy just a different type of bad guy compared to clyde

[@moguldamongrel3054]

@@TheBLT883 lol he is violence to violence. Chaos to chaos. Cause sheep die or get herded. He's the flock dog. The Shepard's friend. From coyotes and wolves. He's the best kind of evil. He's supposed to be what cops judges lawyers are, before they become corrupt and sell out. This was a great movie. It's funny that the lawyer thinks he's a good man.

[@jordanmc9015]

SO its ok for Clyde to lose his family, but not Nicks... got it.

[@YellowMisanthropist]

this movie pisses me off but it quite an accurate representation of how it is in murica

[@RelentlessBG]

this shows perfectly how the "justice" system works

[@jordanmc9015]

@@YellowMisanthropist Yup, plea deals need to be outlawed in capital cases. I get in large cities you cannot take every case to trial, there is simply to many cases and not enough lawyers. But capital crimes need to be followed through with

[@killmongermyhero1169]

Yall sound stupid..bro if a man threatened your family you wouldn't be cool with that regardless of what happen to his..

[@killmongermyhero1169]

@@YellowMisanthropist don't you mean Amerikkka

[@Psyrecx]

*"This broken thing works for those who are sane."* The truly insane are the ones who think that it's working...

[@tylerkinley268]

@@Psyrecx crime rates and recidivism rates would indicate it does not, unless you have a very 'creative' idea of what working means.

[@levesd3722]

@@tylerkinley268 That's what he said.

[@tylerkinley268]

@@levesd3722 yeah I'm agreeing. Should've made that clearer.

[@nash6568]

Don’t tell that to people who have been wrongly imprisoned for over a decade. I’m responding to the quote, not you.

[@Blodreina45]

“Lessons not learned in blood are soon forgotten.” Quote of the century!

[@soldier22881]

it is an awsome and cool quote. it goes hard

[@leakyeak4225]

@@soldier22881 because its the truth

[@soldier22881]

@@leakyeak4225 agreed

[@TheJoeSwanon]

I hated the ending this is one time I actually wanted to see the protagonist win

[@SteveRogers0768]

I like to think that tie Nick wears at the end of the movie has a hidden mechanism inside it. Just like the one the spy talked about earlier in the movie. That way Nick can enjoy his daughters recital, but will still end up dead. Giving me some peace of mind.

[@aceofpittsburgh]

Antagonist my friend .. but I agree.

[@lettow4372]

..and Protagonist won. That were the worst part. I think, you have it backwards.

[@HellsingRuler]

@Zetta dotta he also wanted to rebuild the system from its burning ashes

[@happzy]

The scene in his cell with fire behind him was well, fire though

[@radoria2030]

This movie was fantastic up until the ending. Admit it, you wanted to see the "bad guy" win just as much as I did! EDIT: I put "bad guy" in quotations for a reason, people! If one more person replies with "Who said Clyde was the bad guy?" I'm going to scream!

[@randomm9683]

The bad guy aka Jamie fox did win unfortunately

[@R.Johal89]

But the bad guy DID win in the end.

[@EdHorlick]

How interesting it is that a director can actually subvert our morals like that, they did that pretty well with “joker” too.

[@zachmarkham84]

Truth. Apparently this lawyer is a super hero

[@zachmarkham84]

@S U R V I V E I think jamie Foxx wanted the change

[@robertcrook5384]

We need a 2nd ending. Id fucking use a genie wish for this shit

[@SonofJagonaught]

There is, look it up. You won't regret it.

[@LumenPsycho]

@@SonofJagonaught Nah, it's not official & is a bad edit.

[@LumenPsycho]

Same

[@SonofJagonaught]

@@LumenPsycho the fact that it exists whether its canon or not doesn't matter it's still worth looking into.

[@robertcrook5384]

@Brandon Lee i looked it up they should have used white house down explosion

[@Alex-ql9gw]

Clyde is not the bad guy in this...he is literally the hero we deserve!

[@hangallfuckingtraitors898]

I wonder if the SCOTUS has ever watched this.....

[@mrMartyBum1]

1000% agree

[@livinglegend9709]

What?! He wasn't the hero nor the bad guy no one was. Yall gotta understand this was more than about who's gonna win or loose. Clyde was killing everybody people who were innocent getting revenge is a horrible excuse which I'm glad wasn't Clyde's style but killing innocent is not the way to go. In the end Clyde did win he made nick into a person who knows better

[@hangallfuckingtraitors898]

@@livinglegend9709 the system is the real enemy. Clyde exposed it.

[@livinglegend9709]

@@hangallfuckingtraitors898 turned nick into someone who will listen to his head

[@scottfisher7478]

“I’d rather show you.” Butler is genius in this movie. And his character is correct, the “justice” system is not about justice but closure rates for prosecutors. The system does not work and it is a “broken thing.”

[@livinglegend9709]

Yeah, but killing everyone that has no part in it isn't the way to solve that. But I do agree with you on the system being corrupt though

[@scottfisher7478]

@@livinglegend9709 Right! But, it did make good drama.

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

@@livinglegend9709 Everyone Clyde killed had something to do with the case against Darby or Rice. This was to teach Rice and the system a lesson. Making deals with devil's like Darby because of your own ego and selfishness is wrong and morally corrupt. Clyde begged Rice not to make the deal. Cantrell advised and warned him not to do it and he didn't listen instead he heartlessly dismissed Clyde and all because he didn't want to look bad and lower his conviction rate. Clyde killed everyone but Rice and that's because he really wanted to fuck with him psychologically. Rice has watched as Clyde went on a murderous rampage and caused chaos, fear and panic in the entire city and all because he didn't want to look bad. Rice has some responsibility for this because of his actions ten years earlier. That's quite a lot of blood to have on your hands and that will haunt Rice for life knowing he could have avoided it all if he had refused the deal and tried to get Darby the real culprit convicted and even if he failed Clyde would probably have killed Darby and Ames anyway but he wouldn't have gone on such a ramapage the way he did. I don't think I could I sleep at night with all that on my conscience. Rice may have outsmarted Clyde but Clyde still won so to speak

[@natedaniels3655]

@@livinglegend9709 None of them were innocent. They all partook of the corruption that is the "justice" system. Just like nowadays, the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats need to be exterminated.

[@MrLOLsteveLOL]

@@livinglegend9709 Also just locking people up and making even them worse is just as corrupt, there is no justice in that. Revenge =/= Justice? no. US "justice" system is a joke on all levels, with very few exceptions.

[@kbob9625]

This move was disappointing. The wrong guy won.

[@Foldy435]

Clyde died the second his wife and child were murdered. It was always his ultimate plan to join them once he'd taken out the trash.

[@miboogaroo]

Well he did teach Fox's character not to go easy on accused just for his own gain.

[@zencole336]

There is still that mysterious person that helped the wrong guy. If that guy can hack into Panama's secure servers, then at least he has to know about why his girlfriend got killed. He will see what Clyde sees and this time, he'll finish what Clyde started, but first, let the Lawyer be in Clyde's shoes for once.

[@CommanderChronicles]

Clyde won when he dies. he finally got the prosecutor to cross the line and do what ever it takes to stop him. The prosecutor always took the easy way, only going for the easy convictions no matter who payed the price. Now he has crossed the line and is even willing to kill for justice, exactly what Clyde wanted.

[@jasplund]

Really? I liked Clyde winning. Was interesting to see the bad guy win for once.

[@seancollins6524]

Clyde was a totally Master of his skill set there is no way it would end like that .

[@beesonbandit6639]

Agree

[@Hi-NuAetherling]

Jamie Foxx threw a hissy fit and that's why the movie ended they way it did. The original ending had the ending we all know would have and should have ended.

[@vernonkatz5042]

@@Hi-NuAetherling I am comforted by the fact that in a parallel universe this movie has the proper ending.

[@tonynomikos3702]

They could make a sequel cause you dont actually see him die all you see is an explosion a guy with his smarts would have had a contingency plan if he was ever found out at the end of the day he wanted out and what a better way to go than to make people think you died in the explosion

[@jordanevinou]

@@Hi-NuAetherling really how do you know

[@MarxAlex]

I think the hero in this story was actually the villain. The government is generally self serving and broken.

[@JonCollinsMedia]

Everyone agrees that the hero got fucked in the end of this movie

[@redwolfe7049]

It's not broken. It's designed the way it's supposed to be from them.

[@gooddaykriibve6448]

Social contract !!

[@Veridiano02]

Problem is, you see the goverment as a block. As a united front trying to sink everyone's dreams and crush people hope and spirits. But it isn't. The union and the "we are the goverment" is an illusion. There's no joint effort. Just a bunch of egomaniacal greedy asshats, they are all ambition, zero inteligence, zero guts, playing against each other in a giant free for all too gain a bit more power, a bit more money.

[@stevenclark5173]

@@Veridiano02 So effectively the government is no different from any other private corporation by that metric.

[@antibull4869]

“This broken thing works for people who are sane” One would think watching your wife murdered in front of you and your daughter raped and murdered would drive one to insanity Yet Clyde is one of the most sane in the film He realizes the flaws in the system. Despite the ending, virtually everyone watching the film realizes that Clyde should have “won”.

[@annalisavajda252]

No he's not sane he would be too traumatized to be sane but he's still smart and knows some people apparently.

[@cjh4l228]

"It works for people who are sane" - I wanted Clyde to clap back about how the lifetime criminal scumbags got ahold of his family then... you know.. if "the system works"

[@ZenKrio]

Yah, imagine if IRL the government spent decades protecting a child molester from serving any justice. Oh wait, we don't have to. The FBI knew what Epstein was doing the whole time and did nothing..

[@antibull4869]

@@annalisavajda252 not necessarily. Trauma moves people in two directions. 1. They shut down and never overcome it 2. They overcome it and focus on bettering themselves …in clyde’s case… that betterment involved systematically preparing and hunting his family’s killers/rapists… but to each their own🤷🏼‍♂️

[@ZOMBII11]

He pretty much went insane. He used his skills to commit mass murder, for revenge pretty much. He lost everything and had nothing left to lose. A last resort for insane people. If he was sane, he could've just found a way to move on, and hold onto a shred of hope that someday this all would change. Instead he went down to the same level as Darby.

[@konstantinkoverchenko9587]

Law Biding Citizen is probably the greatest movie with the most epic horseshit of endings in the entire history of cinema.

[@beogeek]

nah thats game of thrones lol

[@spartanx169x]

@@beogeek The Final season of Dexter of the original show is almost as bad.

[@OnceShy_TwiceBitten]

@@spartanx169x And they then fucked us on the revival too lol.

[@annalisavajda252]

Probably just to add realism regardless how justified he was he can't kill a dozen lawyers judges government officials and just walk away even if he escaped his life was ruined anyway he will never be happy just disgusted with society. He's like The Punisher only not a graphic novel.

[@tetermc]

​@@spartanx169x At least with Dexter it had already seen several sharp declines in quality before that so it wasn't just one steep drop into dogshit territory.

[@johnnyawesome3042]

Nick: “What do you mean...everyone?” Gary Oldman: “EVEEERYOONNE!”

[@Darusdei]

Leon! :D

[@Zak6959]

Hahahaha

[@nelsonx5326]

Haha, just watched that scene.

[@Costanza1459]

YES!!!

[@mrdeathclaw66]

classic, never gets old.

[@bobgumkowski9595]

I would have loved the ending if Clyde took Nick with him. The final “I’m one step ahead”.

[@luisaleman3732]

That would been cool like if he had plans in motion after his death.

[@DW-rs1pr]

It was a terrible ending to a decent movie

[@DisemboweII]

The original ending had Clyde live and escape, but Jamie Foxx was having none of it. He wanted his character to "win", so we got a shit ending.

[@DW-rs1pr]

@@DisemboweII damn. That makes me dislike Jamie foxx even more

[@theelement_c6684]

He was very smart. Too smart he didn't even put traps in his hideout/base. Like seriously i was expecting it to be full of traps.

[@JulianShagworthy]

I never understand people who say, "He went too far in the end..." I agree with absolutely everything this character does. He tried doing it properly and it didn't work - the logical thing to do is to escalate.

[@MyBallzGotShocked]

Whoa whoa whoa there cowboy, escalation and deception is only okay if you work for the government.

[@geometric5103]

Agreed, the ending pissed me off.

[@elliotrose8836]

"escalate" He killed a bunch of innocent people lol

[@Karynthian]

Congratulations, you are now on a list probably

[@sodapopinski9922]

@@elliotrose8836 if you ever dealt with criminal justice system any of those people are far from innocent.....making deals for career promotions to pad their records... making friends and family cases disappear or getting charges dropped for some bs reason...or getting trumped up chargers for someone they don't like all these people are far from innocent.... they play with people lives and outcomes like me and you going to the casino and playing roulette if it hits and wins GREAT! if not oh well always another day or soul to play with

[@jasonvalerio4846]

You got a judge who sentenced a rapists to six months probation even though their were two witnesses who saw and testified they saw her get raped. Than you have a judge who gives 110 year sentence for a trucking accident. This justice system in America definitely needs fixing.

[@Betroid]

My cousin got 15 years for being a lookout

[@liljackypaper]

I know the "accident" that you're talking about. That wasn't an accident. That was negligent manslaughter that led to people being burned alive. The driver was completely at fault for driving 90ish mph during rush hour.

[@Loln02345]

@@liljackypaper With faulty breaks, down an incline, choosing not to use multiple emergency offramps that would have safely stopped the truck, before finally smashing through a crowded street full of rush hour traffic and killing multiple people. Yeah, suck his company didn't take care of the truck, but that driver made a shitload of really bad choices that lead to him killing a bunch of people. Dunno about 110 years, but he should be doing serious time for sure.

[@TheAntiTrope]

0:43 the uncomfortable silence as Clyde says "see?" with expression. Nick hasn't even experienced what Clyde has, yet he is already contemplating becoming the evil he believes Clyde to be

[@buki7474]

This is one of those movies were I wish for a different ending.

[@belowavgnoob1401]

There’s an alternate ending

[@imcallingjapan2178]

Shelton killed innocent people, people who were in no way to blame for the way the system is, who could only change it by tiny degrees by doing their jobs right. He was a villain, full stop.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Jamie Fox ruined this movie.

[@claytonmachine12]

​@@imcallingjapan2178 Yes he was. But the ending we got did not match the rest of the movie. He is supposed to be some super genius when it comes to killing. the spook they contact is afraid of him and literally spells that out as such. Yet makes such a rookie move as hiding the explosive that his opponent is GOING to be looking for in a pretty obvious place where it was extremely easy to find, and that Jamie's character just lucks onto it. Shit I learned how to hide damn explosives better than that in basic training and I'm a fucking mechanic. This was a movie where the villain was SUPPOSED to win. Because while Clyde was the villain, there were NO heroes in this film.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

@@claytonmachine12 It just shows how stupid this movie's plot was. That spy former colleague scene was probably the dumbest. But it did show that Clyde was a huge hypocrite on top of everything.

[@KingKass2929]

We were told by the writers of this movie that Clyde is the bad guy, but we ALL know he's the good guy, and him losing was a loss for all of us.

[@manuelschneider1105]

"A man commiting evil for a great cause is neither fully evil, nor truly great"

[@NexusKin]

Darby and Ames were the real bad guys, Nick was the opportunistic manipulating morally gray one, and Clyde was the real good guy.

[@livinglegend9709]

@@NexusKin I don't think anyone was the good or bad guy. Y'all gotta understand this is a real movie there is no straight bad guy in life it's just people. Clyde wasn't a good guy he killed innocents to get his point across and was willing to go to greater length to do so,but he wasn't the bad guy either his motive and his intentions were good. Nick was just another pawn doing what the people upstairs wanted. Clyde did win at the end of the day and is with his family now and he molded nick into someone who will listen to his head instead of others. To cross that line for what is right

[@seanmager1168]

@@NexusKin WHAT THE FUCK???!!! Clyde was NOT a Good Guy. He was a MONSTER. Clyde MURDERED Innocent people. And he say's they are "Corrupt" NO. Clyde. HE is the 1 who is corrupt. As he Killed innocent people who were in NO WAY Connected to what happened to his family and they had nothing to do with the case and/or the deal/Plea bargain. No offense dude, But PLEASE get some common sense. The Good guy's dont murder innocent people just cause they are pissed they lost their family. Clyde says the Law and Justice system dont work. He's WRONG. Yes its not perfect, But it DOES WORK. Like, Look at All the bad guys and rotten evil scum-bags we DID Lock up, All the cases we Took to trial and DID WIN. Darby and ames, Clyde killing them, Thats FINE BY ME. as they were evil. But the other's Clyde Killed, They did not Harm any1. They were JUST SIMPLY Doing their job's. Their Duty as Servant's of the Law. Following the rules of the Law is not corrupt. Its what's Right. What Clyde is pretty much saying with his actions is that if the Justice system aint 100% I can kill innocent people to try and scare others into making it 100% perfect. Clyde was SO Focused on trying to prove a insane point He could not see all the innocent Life he Was hurting so badly. As all these people Clyde murdered, They have family's too. Clyde loses his family. YES. it was HORRIBLE. But that does NOT give him the right to destroy other family's. As these innocent people he so heartlessly killed, they also were some1's wife, daughter, sister, brother, cousin, husband, son, daughter, aunt, uncle. And yet know Clyde has caused their family's a LOTTA horrible pain. No offense dude as im not trying to insult you or your comment, But DONT say Clyde is a hero. He's a MANIAC and a MURDERER. He's become the very thing he's hated.

[@seanmager1168]

@@manuelschneider1105 Thats BULLSHIT. Clyde was not "Fighting for a great cause" He was Mindlessly taking out his rage on innocent people.

[@SebGerryfield]

I think the story has one big flaw. It's not the ending in particular, but how the story leads to it. It is the moment, when Nick unrightful breaks the door to Clydes garage (which location he also gathered from a non legal source) and the detective asks him: "What about his civil rights?" and Nick answers: "F*ck his civil rights." In that moment Nick breaks the law to get to clyde and not only that, but to kill him in the end without proper trial. So Nick defends the system he tries to uphold by breaking it. That turn of events in the story could've worked, if Nick would have started questioning the system and himself but he never does. It's sad because this movie could've been so much more.

[@zzzanimal1722]

doesn't that actually back up the point they are trying to make though? that the system is broken because people who have the power bend it to whatever works for them and then justify it, but don't let others or their opposition do the same...Clyde even says in this scene in response to "i do my job" by saying "you did what is best for you". And everything you said happens portrays just that. that is my take anyway.

[@reidmodena-kurpinsky4313]

I agree with zzzanimal. The juxtaposition between wanting to do “what’s right” and then this blatant disregard for civil rights was essentially the point of the film. Clyde wanted nick to take a chance and go for a conviction regardless of the outcome. Nick however was worried about his conviction rate instead of doing what should be done. Nick finally does the thing that should be done and obtains information illegally and trespassed illegally to do what had to be done. The only reason the ending was “bad” is because I feel like in the end, nick probably hasn’t changed. I don’t think he learned anything from this experience so to me it felt like the whole theme of the film was for naught

[@djdusted6485]

@@reidmodena-kurpinsky4313 which is also the point, nothing ever changes!

[@averymurray4722]

Nick is sooooHypocrital.He ignores Clyde's plea to have a trial(one for which Clyde would likely have convinced the Jury),but Nick did not want to screw-up his conviction rate.Now he is willing to break the Law to stop Clyde..

[@jamesdick2580]

dont forget the scene where Nick assaults Clyde OUTSIDE the prison. i'm sure there was more than one thing illegal in there.

[@immortanjoe9362]

Absolutely chilling. If this movie had a better ending, I honestly think it would have been one of the best movies of the last decade. When he said everyone, I believed him.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

This movie could have won awards if they put in just a tiny bit of backbone into the decisions at directing.

[@snelgrave101]

How would you end it? serious question?.

[@Hopium500]

"This broken thing works" such a self serving contradictory statement. No wonder why everyone wanted Clyde to win.

[@Peter-os7nk]

Trying to hard to convict a good man, yet really slacks on the guy that had actually put said man into this situation.

[@joshschaeffer3300]

I think Clyde killing the defense lawyer, judge, his cellmate etc. Made it pretty clear Clyde wasnt interested in making deals he wasnt going to fade away if they did release him which they arent. Had Clyde not wanted to be caught he wouldnt have left Darby in pieces at his warehouse. The police and the DA probably wouldnt have tried to hard to put a case on him but they cant simply shut there eyes. Clyde is right but so.was Nick you cant win all of them and sometimes getting somebody off the street a few years is best you can do. It's not like he was buddies with Darby and took it easy on him. The judge ruled out all the DNA and forensic evidence so they had nothing but Darby telling on Ames and cutting a deal. Messed up but Ames should have told the truth first instead of clamming up and covering for a rapist/pedophiles murderer. Nick should have believed Clyde and went to Ames and gave him the chance. He shouldn't have made the deal without talking to Clyde. That was his Nick's sin.

[@RelentlessBG]

well this is how the justice system works in real life too ... they did a very good job

[@evocaeden2932]

The moment he says "Or I kill everyone..." is brilliant, Butler portrays Shelton's true desire to NOT want to murder anyone, but he is utterly devoted to his mission and will back up every promise he makes.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

"Butler portrays Shelton's true desire to NOT want to murder anyone,"

[@evocaeden2932]

@@imcallingjapan2178 What are you not getting from that statement? Shelton doesn't want to go around murdering everyone. But he will to achieve his goals. He gives Rice every chance he possibly can to stop him and Rice keeps playing the game he's been playing for 10 years rather than seeing the rot in the system.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

@@evocaeden2932 "Shelton doesn't want to go around murdering everyone." He tells Nick to just release him without charge, a demand both impossible and ridiculous, which he knows Nick can't and wouldn't comply with. And then he murders every lawyer at his firm. I know it's trivial ultimately, but the fact some cretins admire that character because Gerard Butler is such a badass makes me so angry, and Butler himself thinks the same thing. It's pathetic

[@rancorious7785]

@@imcallingjapan2178literally the same as a large amount of Punisher fans

[@EX7Sonic]

Honestly, I wouldn't even mind the ending so much if it weren't for the fact that Jamie Foxx's character wasn't such an asshole or developed over the film but he's basically the same by the end. He's the true villain of the story.

[@leofangd8501]

Nick : This is Vengeance! Clyde : Vengeance? THIS IS SPARTA!

[@TheRealW.S.Foster]

Nick is the reason why Clyde planned and carried out the events of Law Abiding Citizen, actually - all because he didn't want to tarnish his high conviction record. He was so worried about not wanting to have his perfect record besmudged, he let a murderer go practically scot-free and unknowingly condemned many people to die by Clyde's hands as a result.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

And he never owned up to it.

[@invictuz4803]

@@ClockworkGearhead Yeah, the writers made Nick the bad guy at the start and then somehow forgot he was the bad guy and let him win at the end? Biggest letdown I've ever seen in a movie, must have been changed the story to appeased shareholders or some shit.

[@andrewgru7077]

never have i wanted to root for the 'bad guy' this much in any movie

[@curtisjohnson2433]

The bad guys won. Tf.

[@jefferyrbrown]

The bad guy in the movie was the slick DA who made the deals that let murders off... The good guy was the one trying to teach the lawyer that JUSTICE isn't found in "making deals"....that justice was his obligation, not his discretion.

[@andrewgru7077]

@@jefferyrbrown fair points, though i would have to argue that this was a good example of morally gray and no one character is the bad guy the whole film. Just darker shades and in flux the whole time.

[@andrewgru7077]

@@curtisjohnson2433 fair point, see my other reply for explanation

[@curtisjohnson2433]

@@andrewgru7077 There is no Gray. The Lawyer only cared about his Conviction Count and cut monstrously disgusting deals with criminals who should have gotten the Death row. If that seems like a gray area, your mind fukd lol

[@russellcrawley2110]

This is a movie where the REAL bad guy wins!

[@eraldorh]

@@exar2207 Thats what he said.

[@exar2207]

@@eraldorh mi bad wrong comment

[@AncapOtaku]

i never saw nick as the good guy

[@livinglegend9709]

@@AncapOtaku I never saw him as a bad guy either

[@justindunn6740]

Your a joke

[@jessehoward3516]

The fact that they actually wrote dialog for jamie foxx's character to threaten a killing mastermind in Clyde is just laughable to me. Just needless and pointless whatever to make his character look tougher than he really is

[@mikediao15]

It was to reinforce the idea of a father protecting his family which is what the movie all about.

[@allisterfield6028]

also gerard butler is a producer in this movie, you really think this dialogue is because jamie foxx wanted it lol...don't believe everything you hear about from the internet lol

[@johnbanks4761]

@@mikediao15 yet that man did not give a damn about justice for another mans lost family.........

[@mikediao15]

@@johnbanks4761 I was referring to the dialogue

[@TristanSiew]

An attorney no less smh

[@hectoralejandro9883]

“I don’t think you have any idea whose helping me or what I’m doing”

[@Duke_Lindenhurst]

If Frank Darabont was allowed to direct this movie as it was originally planned, it would have been an absolute masterpiece.

[@captainjeff8765]

"Release me by 6 AM or I kill everyone" "Well you got me there, you're free to go!" *roll credits*

[@themerpheus]

Clyde must have a bunch of different plans for different conditions, so most likely he would do something else

[@Bigfoothawk]

He knew they wouldn't release him that was the point.

[@peace-to-the-world]

@@themerpheus And he lived with bunch of branched tree of scenarios for whole 10 years! System did not worked out for his family (and he was totally into them) justice, so the pain drove him till he has come with lessons and fix he prepared

[@ForumLight]

"You even THINK about touching my family" "Or what? I'll go to court and get a deal from another lawyer and get out of jail free? You starting to understand, Nick?"

[@royverkerk2999]

His acting,those interrogations gave me chills..loved this movie

[@DrJun187]

it just hit me that he didn't need nick to drop all charges against him. he can get out anytime he wanted. he is really just testing nick.

[@konstantinscheglikov9466]

The ending of the film contradicts the way the "anti-hero" was described, he, as a high-class professional, would have noticed a rough hacking of the doors to his warehouse

[@user-js1qs8io9f]

“Don’t think about Touching my family” was a score for Clyde. Was inspired an had hope until that lawyer said I do my job. Then Clyde regressed

[@justinrob1120]

maturity is when you realize clyde was never the bad guy and actually was done the worst but when done to others the same that's done to him they turn just like him but still paint him as the bad one

[@livinglegend9709]

Technically he was the bad one. He was like any other bad guy good intentions bad way of doing it

[@archieailar5307]

One of my favorite movies of all time....I keep watching this as well as the clips over and over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@osesusivictor6150]

Name of the movie

[@Senkuda]

I see that everyone has a problem with the way the film ended, me too. It felt so cheap in the end, and it kept this film from being a true masterpiece.

[@bigdaddystovepipe2559]

Nick is a perfect example of everything that's wrong with our country!!!

[@Aaron-ze1io]

Great moment when nick says "you even think of touching my family" the look Clyde gives him is perfect..like yeah...NOW you understand where im coming from. Great little detail there.

[@Raigoth]

Anyone else see the irony in Nick saying "You even think about touching my family..." That was a small hint of what Clyde felt, and you could see it in that small smirk he had.

[@dibaterman]

Seriously, this could have been an even better movie with or without Jamie if they went with the original ending. If Denzel, Ben Aflek, and so many others could have done Jamie's job here much better and both listed are humble enough to lose in the end or be the guy that's part of the problem.

[@Sarcof227]

The one upside to Jamie being the attorney is that we never would have gotten to see Russell Crowe as the villain and I don't think anyone else could have pulled off playing Clyde Shelton as well.

[@elDnl]

@@Sarcof227 yeah also Clint Eastwood was great here!

[@SuperClone23]

@@Sarcof227 that’s Gerard Butler

[@Sarcof227]

@@SuperClone23 Ah, shit. That's what I get for using the names of the actors.

[@Stuart267]

Dude your just a lawyer stop talking tough because he could kill your family in front of you and there wouldn't be a damned thing you could do about it. Great film ruined by a terrible Hollywood ending

[@SurroundedByClowns1926]

As per usual

[@TheMaleRei]

Ahem. "Naw, dawg, he gotta strut. He gotta posture. He gotta be duh Al-fah of duh ruum, bro!" And some writer somewhere, went - "Ohhhhh, yyyyyeeeeeeeeee, mei boooiiiiiii shooaad dat pri-zner!"

[@810wasaninsidejob9]

Jamie Foxx threw a fit an threatened to quit halfway through the movie if his character didn't beat Clyde in the end.

[@Stuart267]

@@810wasaninsidejob9 Wouldn't be surprised seems like a bit of diva, Katt Williams DESPISES him too, has some other things to say about him on a rant he went on about him that would surprise you

[@texteel]

@@810wasaninsidejob9 why can he do that? Do actors not read the fucking script before signing the deal? Do they not know how the story is supposed to go?

[@gunnergrunt69]

Nick was harder on him than he was on the two guys who murdered Clyde's family. Clyde was screwed by the system and Nick was like "Oh well that's the way the cookie crumbles." but turned into Samuel Jackson on him when he got his revenge on the murderers like "How dare you kill the men that killed your wife and daughter right in front of you!!!"

[@Vheone]

I don't know how Gerard does it, but he can deliver lines like nobody else. The way he yelled "This is sparta" to the way he says "or I'll kill everyone". It's so sick, he just has a tone that nails it every time

[@NexusKin]

This is one of his best performances ever, and showed just what an awesome actor he really was when he had a well-written role to work with. He was the real hero of this movie.

[@Vheone]

@@NexusKin agreed, I hate the fact he died cause he was right about everything, the justice system is flawed and he could have made America a better place if he succeeded all his tasks

[@russell5078084]

This movie makes me think of the movie Swordfish with John Travolta and Hugh Jackman.

[@Dial999]

Remember how hyped everyone got for Halle Berry's books? Simpler times

[@ibrudiiv]

@@Dial999 Yea she had some nice books, indeed.

[@ibrudiiv]

When the system loses but it actually wins, but innocents lose, but the majority of innocents win. Only difference being Swordfish's ending destroys this one's ending.

[@Dial999]

@@ibrudiiv damn auto correct. Kinda works though, remember the scene? More a magazine then a book. Same for her chest, but worth the hype.

[@stevenclark5173]

Except Swordfish nailed the ending where the protagonist and the antagonist both won.

[@geraltofrivia9424]

Why but WHY would anyone ruin the ending of this movie?

[@mattyHi1892]

Jamie foxx demanded this ending. That’s why it was such a train wreck ending. Clive was far to intelligent to allow what happened.

[@geraltofrivia9424]

@@mattyHi1892 Yeah I've heard that it was probably Foxx but I didn't found any article about this... Anyway this is way too bad because I think everyone agrees on the fact that this movie deserved a better ending.

[@NigeeNkomo]

@@mattyHi1892 no way I thought maybe the directors had gone insane and decided that ending themselves

[@anthonysilva3286]

@Zetta dotta due to Fox wanting to play nick not sure about the ending tho

[@barrdack]

Maybe the movie wanted you to get mad at what you watched and not satisfied. I am starting to think this move was genius.

[@MrBellsa61]

"you see the bodies, you see the smoke, but the larger picture still eludes you" Jesus fuck that was hardcore

[@DrakodanSRL]

Given the context of the movie, I think "... Or I kill everyone." is one of the most chilling lines ever delivered in cinema. Clyde has made good on every single promise he's made, no matter how outlandish or far-fetched it seemed. Every time they thought, "There's no way he's able to control that" he proved them wrong. Imagine being in Nick's position and hearing that, knowing that it seems impossible that he could make such a threat, but all the evidence so far suggests otherwise.

[@willn8664]

When Darrell Brooks got released with a $1000 bail after driving his car through a parade and killing people, I was thinking about this movie.

[@Excalibur01]

I know a dude who got accused on false grounds of rape. No real evidence and he's in jail waiting for his day in court while a fucking murderer is out on a cheap ass bond?

[@kirthooper4625]

Totally need to re-release this with the ending everyone wanted.

[@phaiz55]

Loved the movie but that one huge plot hole still bothers me. "Hey guys this prisoner is somehow killing people outside of the prison even though he's locked up." "Yeah that's weird, maybe we should monitor his cell and see if we find anything?" "Nah"

like this guy wouldn't be able to get around that lol

[@bhekisisam3018]

They did explain how he left prison

[@Kosh800]

@@bhekisisam3018 The point is that he should have been on round the clock surveillance, like Jeffery Epstei- Aw, shit.

[@cristianrios8804]

They knew he was the mastermind, they never expected it was himself doing it

[@zikkimeister215]

they didnt know it was him killing ppl outside the prison, like the lawyer says they will find out who is helping him. Sometimes the easiest and absurd solutions are the ones that we see as last

[@BobJason1]

“Explains his entire morning routine” - “ if you even think about touching my family “ Uh dude, that was me, explaining your morning routine. I clearly thought about it.

[@BicMichuM]

Stooopid ending...lawyer became a detective 😂😂😂

[@joncolunga673]

This isn't vengeance! THIS! IS! SPARTA!

[@furycrh8107]

Highly underrated film, one of my all time favourites, awesome

[@Mr._POV_]

Clyde shouldn't have died at the end. Very sad.

[@VRichardsn]

He should have. He was a murderer. Perhaps in different circumstances, to make the ending better narratively.

[@instantpartyWTF]

@@VRichardsn He was only a murderer of the system!

[@ericdraven7857]

He wasn't going to but Fox refused to let his character loose.

[@sinfulthoughts]

spoiler dude.

[@extraterrestrialowl1932]

@@VRichardsn sheep.

[@SuigaRou]

"You even think about touching my family". It's like watching a house cat threaten a lion.

[@kornklone]

"This broken thing works...for people that are SANE." Sorry, WHAT?! lolol

[@gotdisgotdatentertainment1432]

Him dying at the end makes this pro government propaganda

[@livinglegend9709]

Clyde died but do you realize the person he turned nick Into I think Clyde won at the end of this movie

[@edwardgeorge8232]

Love how they had that moment of understanding. Jamie Foxx says “you even touch my family…” Yeah exactly. The level of things you’d do.

[@justindunn6740]

Your a joke

[@gmfreeman4211]

@@justindunn6740 You're nothing.

[@justindunn6740]

@@gmfreeman4211 .?…?

[@justindunn6740]

@@gmfreeman4211 racist

[@gmfreeman4211]

@@justindunn6740 Like I said. Nothing.

[@HuyNguyen-kw4zc]

This movie, I rooted for the villain. He had an absolute sense of justice that is necessary to deal with the real world

[@EmoChipmonkVOD]

For everyone saying clyde lost in the end..... He didnt. He won. The whole time he wanted to teach nick to not make deals with monsters and by the end he got his wish.

[@dereksbooks]

Bingo.

[@Trenasist]

He wants nick to drop all charges, but yet refused the judge's grant for bail yesterday

[@egertpaat6559]

John Wick goes: "Would you like a pencil with that, my good man?"

[@Truckerdaddy]

Clyde was a man pushed to do evil things but in the end he taught Nick a lesson that he should've already known. You don't make deals with killers and rapists

[@Oddbisket]

You gotta wonder why they didn't try making a deal with the other intruder to get Darby on death row. Considering Clyde and the other intruder both said it was Darby that did the awful shit. The other guy just thought they were robbing them and told him to stop

[@Truckerdaddy]

@@Oddbisket that's a fair question.

[@Oddbisket]

@@Truckerdaddy did you notice that it clicked for Nick when Darby said "you can't fight fate" in the court when he was given papers to sign? And Nick did nothing! He went to more effort tricking Clive during those trials and trying to trick Clive during Clive's interview than he did with a hardened Psycho criminal. Nick was most certainly the bad guy the whole movie. Fox wanted the character to win/ not look bad but he could have achieved that with Nick breaking down in sorrow actually realising his mistakes and having him remember some childhood memory that explains why he became so numb to doing anything for real good. It would have humanised him and when he was ultimately killed by Clive we would have had empathy for both victims to the system.

[@ExhaustedElox]

It's so clear that Nick isn't listening through this whole scene. All he latches onto is the threat to his family. Clyde is thinking so many levels above Nick's myopic view of his plan. He's missing what Clyde is doing by laying out how well scouted he has Nick's family.

[@martiedoherty5765]

This guys whole family was massacred, horribly, and the law let the bad guys off.....and HE is the bad guy in the film for seeking justice for his wife and kids...times have changed. No, dont explain why revenge is bad , not interested.

[@yourdadsotherfamily3530]

The delivery of ‘-or I killll everyoneee.’ was killer!

[@bojacobsen2167]

This is not revenge. THIS IS SPARTA

[@TheGosslings]

He showed Nick that he was no better than him. This movie was amazing for its unwitting lionization of Clyde's character: a righteous man persecuted by a pathological system whose sole stranglehold on its citizenry is its moral superiority, which is rooted in its monopoly on violence. But what happens when that monopoly is taken away? Exactly....

[@cnote2458]

This is an amazing film real shame about the ending. I didn't mind they killed butlers character. Just how easy his bomb was to find. When all his plan was planned to absolute perfection. I think Fox and Butler worked so well together. And would love to see them in another movie together.

[@moses9426]

Nick was only concerned about his record when Clyde lost his family. Now that Clyde talked about Nick's family, he's being defensive and protective?? Where were those emotions when Clyde lost his family

[@sollehdaim828]

Exactly, that's the problem I had with Nick. He only cares about his record

[@TheLastArbiter]

0:32 I would have told him “that feeling you’re experiencing right now… imagining that worst fear realized…that’s just a taste of how I feel, Nick”

[@tacticalpossum7090]

Just can't forgive Jamie Foxx for screwing this ending up

[@scutaruliliana]

Blame the director, not Jamie.

[@londonsfinest6070]

This movie has such a disturbing beginning. I remember the anger I was feeling when Darby took his daughter and went into a different room and the relief I felt when I saw him kill Darby. Oufffff... The system is rotten from the inside and that's not just in United States. Im from Russia, you should see what happens here :(

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Oh believe me, we know. Hope you weren't drafted for the stupid bear-riding KGB asshole's war. Don't die for a despot and a corrupt system's greed and pride.

[@tntgangcom]

I'd give jeratd an Oscar for this one,and I'd give the worst ending in all time reward,wors than got

[@anthonykristoffersonalonzo658]

"I love when a plan comes together" -Clyde

[@donvirts4608]

"lessons not written in blood are soon forgotten."

[@mokopanemathews3009]

I watch these movie over and over again and still sounds new

[@gettysb19]

I loved this movie, I think a few things could have been changed to make it even better, but a solid 9/10. Repeat watchable as well, just top tier. Superb acting from everyone. Every scene mattered as well. Would love for someone to remake it with Shelton getting away in the end (and maybe not killing innocents who werent involved from 10 years ago).

[@UMBREONxSNIPING]

Nick knew exactly who he was dealing with. Even after talking with the Spy, he still chose not to drop the charges. He picked his ego over his friends that he knew were in real danger. Nick is the real killer here.

[@helmetongrass1893]

ive imagined this to be the origin story of the riddler

[@wayneadams9102]

I think about our society and think "this is a little much" i think about my family and i'm like "he aint wrong."

[@koscocosco5309]

"You even think of touching my family"... Then nick suddenly remembers that Clyde's family was killed too and suddenly calms down... Great acting

[@bigheadache]

I wish they recut this movie, because the ending was just so unbelievably shit. It needs like a directors cut or something with an alternative ending.

[@Struggle_Streaming_With_BK]

The ending of this movie ruins the whole thing.....this could have been one of the best movies ever made

[@damariongentry9423]

The system broke a long time ago and we keep playing along in our demise.

[@pepehorhae]

Clyde and Mike Banning are more scarier than King Leonidas in my opinion.

[@lawrenceclifton38]

One thing that really pisses me off about this movie is Nick goes on and on about "what exactly do you want" but never even offered a simplest apology. And then continues to call Clyde the bad guy lol

[@jamiethomas5849]

The writers to us: Clyde is the bad guy. Root for Nick Us to Clyde: Blow up the whole city and use Nick’s face as the detonator

[@Winterborn5]

The fact that movies like this are made tells a lot about people's perceptions and how screwed our system is. This film, V for Vendetta, Boondock Saints, Riddick, Batman.....all vigilantes that are completely justified but are still the villain's according to the broken system.

[@Kandiell]

they are villains because they kill people, mostly. There are ways to try and change the system without murdering people doing what they believe is right. did you forget he killed a bunch of lawyers and legal aides, or?

[@Winterborn5]

@@Kandiell And yet the government can kill people all they want and then hide behind whatever convenient excuse they want? Murder is only legal if it's government sanctioned. But if someone outside the system starts using the same methods then suddenly murder is wrong because the system is the victim instead of the beneficiary. I'm all for doing things the legal way whenever possible. But in any situation, there comes a point where the system does nothing for justice. At what point are we allowed to act? We're not. People get labeled vigilantes. But here's something interesting. The Boston tea party was a vigilante action. So was the Underground railroad. Just some food for thought.

[@earnem4175]

@@Kandiell Government, Justice System, can murder people? Without consequences? They did kill people before, unlawfully. And covered up massacres and genocides U.S. military did. So a guy---fighting for justice. Making it fair, is a big deal?

[@spartanx169x]

@@Kandiell Clearly you don't know any lawyers.

[@tylersweat7898]

Woulda been like “bruh you out rn, let’s go you need sum to eat? 🤣🤣 like look at the look in his eyes the dead ass seriousness

[@OKG2000]

0:38 love that pause by Butler....hes basically saying ''now you know how i feel..''

[@r.c.6940]

everytime i watch this movies i skip the ending. this was a masterpiece up until the very end. In what world is jamie fox character the good guy? hes a selfish, immoral prosecutor who only cares about his closing percentage, making deals with murderers. The bad guy won in this movie