ALIENS is a Worthy Sequel & Action Masterpiece

[@miller-joel]

1:51:30 What's funny is that in the "knife trick" scene, Bushop tells Hudson "trust me." Subconsciously, he's also saying that to the audience.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

😂👏🏻

[@andrewburgemeister6684]

@@miller-joel haha, I remember as soon as we saw the milky fluid coming out of Bishop my Dad and I could not trust him one bit given what happened with Ash in Alien and his role being with the crew. So we were quite surprised he was helpful to Ripley and helped them get out of the colony and the planet, although I thought it was surprising given he was a WY synthetic they didn’t give him orders to retrieve the alien organisms and it was up to Burke to do it.

[@miller-joel]

@@andrewburgemeister6684 The company didn't know about the aliens at that point. Whatever they knew 50 years earlier was buried and forgotten. Cameron subverted expectations the right way with Bishop. I'm sure people were unsure about him until the end. And even then, some freaks "theorized" Bishop got an egg from the nest and that's how it shows up in 3, but that's absurd for several reasons. Why go back for Ripley and Newt if he already has the egg? He could just let them die, instead of risking himself and the company's"precious." Not to mention, the queen cuts Bishop in half and he has no way to take that magic egg out of the drop ship and hide it somewhere on the Sulaco. But those freaks don't care about facts or logic.

[@jotade2098]

We all say Ripley is a strong female character (and it's true) but Vasquez is the most badass female character of all time, no contest.

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[@UncleFlaynus]

Yes, yes, yes ❤❤❤

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[@reloadpsi]

Vasquez has those big sister vibes. In Cameron's original treatment, she was much meaner to Ripley, almost malicious even. In the movie, she has the "I only need to know one thing: where they are" interaction, but before then she looks concerned when asking the other marines about her, and spends the rest of the movie taking the situation quite seriously. She defies Gorman's orders so she can protect the others, but I low-key think by then Ripley had already convinced her the threat was real: she never puts another foot wrong with her the rest of the movie. I played a character similar to her in the Alien TTRPG, but went all in on my "big sibling" interpretation and made her very overprotective. There's a mechanic in the game where your character enters a panic state and must now take a very specific action until the panic somehow subsides: I made her panic action "stand still and keep firing until everything is dead" and played her as the perpetual "last one out." It was fun.

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@@reloadpsi interesting

[@brettperry218]

Fun fact, the actress who plays Vasquez also plays John Conner's stepmom in T2.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Yea! She gets the metal arm through the ear right?

[@catspawgardner3213]

She was also in Titanic as an Irish woman where towards the ends she's seen telling her children a story as the room fills up with water. Janette is a chameleon.

[@jusadude7162]

Alien/Aliens are much different films. Each is great for different reasons. I love them both. However, Aliens is my favorite. I can watch it over and over and still enjoy it.

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[@damianstarks3338]

Aliens is an absolute masterpiece of a sci fi sequel. I like both Alien and Aliens the same the Queen Alien is still one of the most terrifying and iconic movie monsters in sci fi movie history

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

@@damianstarks3338 absolutely 🙌

[@nickhtk6285]

Interestingly Scott was treated terribly by the crew in LA while filming Blade Runner for almost the exact same issues. Outside of breaks during the day it sounds like an industry rather than cultural issue.

[@FrederickTheGrt]

People with brains in their head loved the Thing in the 80s, as they did Hellraiser, Hellraiser II, and Phantasm in '79. Alien and Aliens were loved too back then.

[@MrRed-cf6gk]

Aliens is just so memorable. R.I.P. Bill Paxton

[@J-Dawg81]

RIP James Horner, absolute genius

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[@CinemaGulp]

Well done fellas! Personally, I think Aliens is the best of the bunch, but Alien is a masterpiece as well.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Thanks bud!

[@KP-vy9ro]

@1:30 ish mark you guys are talking about the power loaders being miniatures but they did make full sized ones with another person built-in behind Sigourney Weaver to help walk and was suspended from the ceiling as well

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Yeah! We also talked about them being full sized puppets!

[@RegalHankHill]

Nailed it as usual! Best movie podcast and news channel on the internet! Amazing videos and personalities that carry the show! Keep up the greatness!

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@@RegalHankHill thank you!!

[@ccogdill152028]

Sarah Michelle Geller did the Buffy show. Kristy Swanson starred in the movie... also from 1992.

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[@jslatts13]

Just finished watching this last night in anticipation of this drop! So excited for Alien:Romulus!

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@@jslatts13 can’t wait!

[@MarvynSyn999]

"One version (and both sounded terrible), had a Space Crew finding the original Xeno who was never really killed floating out in the open air of space, and brought it aboard their ship" (Hahahaha!!!) ALIEN: Romulus: 🤔 PS: hows about that dog Alien!? Beats a cat, eh? 🤣

[@siktorful]

I feel his set design is so engaging

[@damienburke4996]

Sarah Michelle Gellar was the star of the Buffy show, Kristie Swanson starred in the movie.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

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[@andrewburgemeister6684]

Aliens is an absolutely amazing and worthy sequel that matches the original in terms of quality!! I find it hard to compare Cameron’s film compared to Scott’s cause their two completely different films with two completely different writers and directors, changing it to an action film I think made the franchise even more popular and unique in terms of how different the films are.

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[@siktorful]

I love your review but please mention set designer peter lomont who also did set design on bond

[@knighttakespawn]

Close but the power loader full size “puppet” was a suit *worn* by an operator. Ridley was strapped to his front and then they were suspended via wires.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Copy that! Thanks

[@MuckMan_Movies]

The crew in the first film were unprepared for a xenomorph because they were only miners. In Aliens the marines are fully aware of what to expect and are armed to the teeth. I don't think it takes away from the threat because even then the marines can't repel the hoards of aliens. BTW the crashed dropship didn't cause the nuclear processor station to explode, it was Vasquez and Drake with their smart guns that caused the processing station to explode. The drop ship explodes no-where near Hadley's Hope. Really enjoyed your discussion though, its my favourite film of all time. I know the film inside out! We even named our dog Hadley (Hadley's Hope) after Aliens.

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@@MuckMan_Movies thanks!!

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Thanks for tuning in and the corrections!

[@blacyc]

I read the script and it said it was dropship

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[@MuckMan_Movies]

@@blacyc that doesn't make sense though because it explodes near Ripley etc who are well away from the nuclear power station

[@70mustang302]

What do y'all think about this: The xenomorphs being used (in a controlled way) by the company as part of the process to kill off any lifeforms to facilitate terraforming? That sounds like something the company would do. Has anyone else ever thought of that?

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@@70mustang302 oh interesting

[@ginewbenton]

7:13 James Cameron also designed the predator face

[@DarthTamarus]

Who knew Sigourney was such a freak 😅

[@elit.5546]

Y’all forgot the dollar sign at the end of the title, Alien$

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

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[@winduberry]

Well they sure did let Big Chap onto the ship didn’t they?

[@reloadpsi]

Given what we know of the prequels, Ridley Scott seems to take a lot of credit for ideas not his own and act like he understands them well enough to rewrite them anyway. So if Fox hadn't enjoyed working with him, I'm not sure I would've either.

[@MichaelMichera]

Oh I see where it's going! So we can expect episodes about Alien3 and Resurrection as well... I know that some people hate those movies but please be gentle. Those are still the best sci-fi horror movies EVER MADE and I don't care if someone wanted Ripley and Hicks to be married and live forever. Let's appreciate the fact that Alien3 brought us the feel of a terror of solitary xenomorph and that Alien: Resurrection has a feeling of a good comic book story with bold characters, lots of humor and almost surrealistic elements! All first 4 ALIEN movie deserves love and respect Original quadrilogy rules!

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

@@MichaelMichera we have a place in our hearts for those!

[@claykeough7898]

Another great breakdown with interesting facts, fellas. I'm always torn which I like more(Alien or Aliens) but at the end of the day, if I just want to have a great time I'm popping Aliens in. 🍻

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@@claykeough7898 thank you!!!

[@johngannon932]

Love yer podcast .. listen to it all the time .. keep going ye have the best film podcast going trust me I no.. And it's entertaining 😂 will never unsubscribe

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@@johngannon932 thank you!!🙏

[@traplord7668]

My favorite movie podcast

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[@miller-joel]

1:46:09 Ripley unloads on the hive because an egg hatches and becomes an imminent threat. Without that, it makes zero sense for her to waste time and ammo, and put herself and Newt in greater danger, knowing the whole place us about to blow up in a nuclear explosion.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Good point

[@miller-joel]

@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ There's more where that came from.

[@miller-joel]

1:34:15 No, the colonists didn't know about the aliens before Burke sent them there. When Jordan is facehugged and brought back to the colony, they also go into the ship and others get facehugged. Then they try to take them off, and fail. That's where the 3 facehuggers come from.

[@gregwynn3975]

Isn’t the biggest movie puppet ever made the T-Rex from Jurassic Park?

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

@@gregwynn3975 not sure if it’s bigger! Maybe this is the biggest fully working one and the t red was various pieces

[@miller-joel]

1:37:30 Remar had a drug problem. That's the reason.

[@CDubya.82]

Easy enough to skip ads. Even easier to block them.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

@@CDubya.82 😂🙌

[@stevesheroan4131]

Particularly in the context of when they were made, I believe Alien is far superior. I find Aliens has a higher rewatch-ability though. First one is better, second one is more fun.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

100%

[@danbeech6483]

The engineers didn't control a queen to produce eggs🤣. That's not how the xenomorphs were made. Cancelledddddd

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Well there are multiple theories. Either they controlled a queen to produce eggs which they placed inside the derelict as bioweapons. Or they used metamorphosis to turn beings into the eggs. I’m well aware that David made the first Xeno, we did a long breakdown of Covenant a few months ago, check it out

[@danbeech6483]

@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ huh, don't think they had anything to do with them apart from the first xeno type alien burst out of one of their chests at the end of Prometheus. Then I thought David spent time creating the eggs in covenant

[@TBContent24]

I used to love Aliens, but i watched it again recently and thought it really wasn't holding up that well. I guess the action cuts and stuff were too jarring for me, especially the part where the marines were all getting killed in the hive area. Still a classic though

[@rodrigomoya2405]

Thank you for giving some love for Alien Covenant! That intro scene with Wayland and David alone is so good. I personally am bummed out Ridley didn’t get to make at least one more. Good job guys enjoy this podcast a lot, unsubscribed. 👏🏽 PS any word on doing a deep dive into Prometheus or Covenant?

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Us too! AC has an incredible 3rd act even though they went back to the formula of Alien and Aliens.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

We did both! Here’s the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmWpe2umpp5ngZYsi=Jv_Prj9TT3MdYkQc

[@MLawrence-z9k]

Fun fact : both Alien & Aliens are technically both ripoffs of two legendary 1950's sci-fi films!!!! Dan O'Banion wanted to remake a newer version of the movie "IT , The terror from beyond space" except made it way different & added a million new ideas that have never been on screen or thought up before like the Aliens unique life cycle & James Cameron on the other hand sneakily stole his entire idea of Aliens from the movie "Them" !!!! He just didn't tell anyone 😂😂😂 If u watch both films u will see the similarities , especially in the movie "Them" Funny how one got his idea from a movie called "It" that's a about one monster & the other got his ideas from one called "Them" which is about several monsters 😂😂😂 Alien - It Aliens - Them Makes sense when u think about it !!! I wonder if that's how both of them both came up with the one word titles??? 🤔

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[@PrestonGeer]

Michael Biehn replaced James Remar because Remar had been arrested in England for possession of HEROIN!! Remar talks about it himself on the Netflix documentary series "The Movies That Made Us." There's shots in the final cut of Remar as "Corporal Hicks." For not knowing this piece of trivia, consider yourselves UNSUBSCRIBED!!

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

WHOA!!! Thanks for the info Preston

[@prestongeer3211]

It's why I'm here!! :)

[@johnschicitano9920]

I really like your content, but these would be so much better without the intermission

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

@@johnschicitano9920 thanks! We need that break to give our brains a little rest lol

[@LukeLovesRose]

Camerons Aliens isn't as perfectly crafted as Alien?? Have you seen how many times the No 57 pops up in the background?? If not, that's just a credit to James Cameron as a storyteller. Cameron is the Orson Welles of the action genre. But you guys apparently don't have as much respect for the action genre than the horror genre. Cameron spent a lot more time developing Sigourney Weavers Ellen Ripley. Aliens is literally more about Ripley getting second chances than anything. Alien survives solely on its look and feel. The characters are flat and uninteresting to Ridley. A suspense-laden film doesn't have as much as repeat value as a character driven adventure.

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

We literally called it a masterpiece maybe 12 times Luke. Movies are subjective. Chill out man, Jesus. Both films have the same “adventure”. They go to a remote planetoid and search it, encountering aliens. Then fight it. Literally same adventure.

[@MarvynSyn999]

Aliens, whilst indeed being a "Worthy Sequel" is definitely NOT a better film than ALIEN. Visually it's not even close. Especially now in 4k. Aliens looks cheap in parts, and the Xeno's looked like what they were: 6 foot guys in Wet-suits. The change in their look was unnecessary. Removing the dome smacked of a lower budget, and made them look less threatening IMO. Also Cameron made them FAR too easy to kill. In reality their Exo-skeletons NEVER would have shattered like dropping a brick on a Horned-Beetle (for example). Also the uneven acting skills are easy to spot amongst the Marines. A few feel straight out of a TV show. The Queen Alien is the most impressive part of Aliens, and she actually saves the movie IMO. She elevates the film along with Sigourney Weaver's portrayal of Ripley. But take the Queen away? 😬 The 3rd Act actually slows down to a crawl until her big reveal. Especially his "Forty miles of Bad Road Cut"...😴 Ridley Scott is miles ahead of Cameron in his Directorial Skills. I'll always take ALIEN over Aliens. Aliens appealed more to kids, and still does. Action over substance always does. PS: James Cameron himself is an insufferable PR*CK...

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@@MarvynSyn999 for sure

[@MarvynSyn999]

@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ I want to check if you've done a Deep Dive on ALIEN 3...that much-malgned 3equel that many love to hate...I think we really need a Fincher Edition, with elements of the Assembly Cut (not the Ox-birth) and Theatrical cut combined more fluidly. Also we have the Tech to fix that damn Dog Alien. Get rid of that outline. Put more of Woodruff in the suit in it. I know it exists. That Xeno-suit was BADASS...

[@miller-joel]

1:42:05 No, it doesn't. The scene was filmed but never included in any version. It doesn't make sense. The facehugger puts the victim in a coma for several hours to implant the embryo.

[@Wolfiesworld88]

New subscriber love the show but UNSUBSCRIBE for calling the legendary Paul Reiser Paul Rice the whole episode. Not cool lol keep up the great work guys

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

@@Wolfiesworld88 thank you!! Ahhh 😂🙌

[@miller-joel]

So racist!

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

@@miller-joel it was a complete accident, recalling his name from the top of my head, mid-conversation. This was a 2 1/2 talk, we are not robots and make mistakes sometimes. I also mispronounce the names of many other people, it’s human error

[@miller-joel]

​@@raidersofthelostpodcast_Just admit that you hate rice! No need to make excuses! 😀

[@jotade2098]

@@miller-joel not racist! just a little rice-ist :))

[@JoeSmith-kx4zx]

1:46:50 missed an opportune moment to make a clever girl Jurassic park reference… UNSUBSCRIBED

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Ahhhh!!!

[@johnconnolly3343]

Just came across your You Tube channel and love the first few episodes I’ve watched - The Thing, Alien, Aliens and World War Z - Some of my favourite movies and your enthusiasm and knowledge of them is impressive and really funny. Mostly. Still unsubscribed though…….

[@raidersofthelostpodcast_]

Bahahaha thanks John! Hope you enjoy exploring the rest of our episode! Over 700 🤯

[@nicholasbennett7367]

Alien sucks in comparison to aliens

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[@ascriptedreality]

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