Homosexuality: Should Christians Agree to Disagree? With Alan Shlemon - Alisa Childers podcast #68

[@cheryleverett2318]

1st John Chapter 1 really speaks to who is in fellowship with Christ. When there are arguments about accepting behavior or thinking that contradicts the Bible, wouldn't that be walking in darkness? 1John says that a person who does that is not living the truth, calls God a liar, and God's Word has no place in their lives. Sounds really serious. I was thinking of how it is actually unloving to think you are loving a person by affirming behavior the Bible says is sinful and telling them they are in fellowship like everyone else . What a horrible thing to one day discover that's not true. I feel for all the people caught in the crosshairs of progressive teaching going around these days and am so grateful for God's Word.

[@caredits3664]

YEs!!! I have always asked those espousing "we just need to love each other"..well what does that love look like? Lovingly proclaiming truth (even at the risk of being labeled "hateful")is simply fulfillment of what we are told in scripture.

[@yjk5737]

Thank you for these episodes on issues of sexuality. As a single person, these feel like issues that are constantly in your face where faith either endures or fails, but it can be hard to find people and leaders willing to openly address them.

[@jotink1]

A good point was made regarding would we accept a pastor or church who accepted other sexual sins. We really do need to understand all sex outside marriage of a man and women is sin.

[@bilbobaggins4403]

We really do?

[@bilbobaggins4403]

Sex is marriage according to the Bible. One flesh union.

[@Username-ff6ir]

@@bilbobaggins4403 ... between a man and a women

[@bilbobaggins4403]

@@Username-ff6ir agreed

[@bilbobaggins4403]

@Luke E How will they do that? Hide in people's bedrooms? Hide in the bushes?

[@dctrbrass]

Absolutely. This is why every pastor should be a scholar. Any pastor w/ a firm exegetical foundation can handle this issue and communicate what the Bible says, with love. Churches need to start hiring scholars with a strong loyalty to God, over a culture. I'm a sinner too. But homosexuality can only be biblically justified by committing some serious I-segesis. Several professors in seminary reminded me of I-segesis. I'm SO grateful for that now. It doesn't matter what any of us THINK or how much we want the Bible to say something. Our investigation of scripture needs to be done w/ a goal of finding out what the Bible is really saying. And that takes a lot of honesty and humility. We have to prayerfully empty ourselves of the world's influences before we open the book.

[@daveflanagan4213]

Very well summarised

[@Don-sx5xv]

My friend if we had more enthusiastic Christian Scholars the world would not be in the mess that we are in now. The Bible is a Myth filled with control and manipulation, a politicians handbook. You have been reading the same Fable since you were a child, whats changed....nothing, the world has only become worse. You point your fingers and say that it is this or that, but in essence the problem is you and the social club you belong to. before Science was Religion, it is time for us all to allow wisdom into our understanding. But if you insist on believing fable then I ask you only one question. Who did Pontius Pillate release from the podium, what name did the people cry out? "BARNABBAS"....Translated Bar(son) N (of) ABBAS (GOD) Jesus did not experience the Cross.

[@judibennett132]

Thank you for your Biblical teaching! I just found your channel yesterday and have listened to several of your podcasts--and have been excited to find a woman teacher that I could learn from. I was afraid to watch this one--worried that I would find that you supported homosexuality as a Christian. Sooo grateful at the stance you take. I look forward to years of fellowship with you and your podcast. Grace and peace!

[@maniacVeritas]

Please support Alisa! With podcast like this it wont be long before KZbin kicks her off.

[@KINGDOMEXPLOITZ]

She is still here by the grace of God!

[@peterferronato5775]

national Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

[@freddhernanadez2230]

Amen!

[@DavidMccallister65]

Aside from the use of the word homosexual or when it was first used or whatever, Paul specifically explains exactly what he's referring to in Roman's chapter 1 and it's also specifically explained in several other books of the Bible. They specifically condemn "Men burning with lust for one another" and women doing the same and each of them exchanging their normal relationships with the opposite sex for abnormal relationships with people of the same sex.

[@jonathanpowers]

Go back and look at those passages again. Paul is indeed specific. He's talking specifically about the unnatural practice (for anyone) of anal intercourse. And he's telling women not to exchange the natural use of their bodies for that which is unnatural. (The sentence has to make sense even if you stop reading right before the word "likewise". You can't expect the passage after the word "likewise" to inform you of what the passage before it meant; no one writes like that.) In Romans 1, Paul is referring to the men who "leave" the natural use of the woman and have unnatural intercourse with men; these are the heterosexual pederasts in Rome (and ancient Greece, etc.) Homosexuals don't "turn from" or "leave" the use of a woman; they have no attraction to women at all from birth (see Matthew 19:11-12). Fortunately, homosexual relationships need have nothing to do with sodomy. Most homosexuals find the practice disgusting and unnatural. Many more would come around to that viewpoint if the church condemned the practice specifically instead of calling it "homosexuality" and thinking that the terms are synonymous. I'm afraid that Satan has confused both sides on this issue, creating huge rifts in the church and hastening the growth of "progressive" Christianity.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

The Scriptures are very clear on this matter. It really is troubling to see that many churches actually struggle with this topic. All this is like what Jesus said to Nicodemus, "You are a. teacher of Israel, and yet do not know these things?"

[@MusicalRaichu]

Of course, very clear. "Love your neighbour" fulfils ALL God's commands Rom 13.8-9, not "love your no neigbhour and no gay secs".

[@dannisivoccia2712]

@MusicalRaichu Yes, "God so loved the world..." John 3:16. However, "You are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you. The boastful shall not stand before your eyes. You hate all evil doers." Psalm 5: 4-5.

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@dannisivoccia2712 So homofobes beware.

[@KINGDOMEXPLOITZ]

Have I said how much I love and Appreciate Alisa’s ministry? She is such a gift to the body of Christ. I had to revisit these episodes in order to get what I missed when I first heard them! Keep up the good work ma’am!🙏🏿💯

[@KathyakaNina]

Thank for talking about this sensitive topic. Specifically in my generation (young adults) and unfortunately the culture of this thinking is coming to the church. I hope the church can do our best to show the lgbt community and let them know just because we disagree doesn’t mean we don’t love them. That has been a struggle as well for the side to be seen. I notice it’s just how they define love means to accept it and be okay of it. I have people on my life that struggle with same sex attraction and some that have grown up in the church but unfortunately went to the progressive side or left the faith all together. I hope the Lord gives us wisdom to reach out with His love to such a broken community that needs God.

[@jeffspearman5678]

God bless you Alisa for promoting the truth of the word of God. Many churches have become lukewarm on this subject, causing division. We must be true to God’s word, which never changes. Many of us have relatives who identify as gay or transgender. We are to love them, without approving of their lifestyle. This is a very tough subject which requires prayer and guidance. Progressive churches are deceiving many by promoting a watered down version of the Bible.

[@mads597]

Don’t pretend you love them. They deserve more than your false support and toxic judgments.

[@illvminatvs3194]

@@mads597 This^

[@68orangecrate26]

He hit the nail on the head: it IS THEIR IDENTITY. It's an unhealthy view of self - in addition to sin.

[@morgantrotter2013]

Now the progressives actually are saying that if your marriage is unpleasant then you shouldn't feel obligated to stay in it. They probably are going to apply the idea Alan talked about that "any sort of pain = bad fruit" across the board. Why wouldn't they? Feelings are the only thing that matters to them and the only source of authority.

[@ruthannekauffman5841]

Your podcast is such an inspiration to me. It saddens me so much to see fellow Christians condoning and promoting things that are clearly not biblical. I think God must look down on us and be so sad.

[@bilbobaggins4403]

God is looking down? From where?

[@ruthannekauffman5841]

@@bilbobaggins4403 From His throne

[@bilbobaggins4403]

@@ruthannekauffman5841 Right ....and where is this located?

[@ruthannekauffman5841]

@@bilbobaggins4403 That's a good question. :) You know I guess no one can say for certain because in the Bible it doesn't give a specific place that I know of, although I believe He's in Heaven, while also residing in a Christian's heart. And He is everywhere, always with us.

[@jesusislord9447]

This is what the LORD says: "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?Isaiah 66:1

[@carlosreira413]

For the time being, yes, we should. The reason is that this conversation has gotten too loud to hear anything. "We know no man after the flesh," Paul teaches.

[@DruPetty42]

This is definitely an identity crisis. Love the video!

[@JamesW225]

Treat all people good. Even if you disagree.

[@maryloulongenbaugh7069]

Christians are not to judge outsiders, but within the household of God. I Corinthians 5:12.

[@freddhernanadez2230]

Nope! 1 Corinthians 2:15.

[@kctechie]

I've not watched the video yet but just answering the question posed in the title. My feeling is if you pick and choose ANY instruction in the scripture you should walk to the nearest trashcan and toss your Bible, walkaway and stop pretending to be a Christian. Without the the Word anything you believe, follow, etc springs from your imagined version of God. Period.

[@morgantrotter2013]

Great podcast, especially the last part. Alisa, thanks for all you do! I admire your courage in standing firm for truth.

[@nickfedor210]

The answer about dividing is simple. "Yes".

[@berenlevia8486]

God has made it clear on His stance on the homosexual lifestyle , because I agree with God's word about the matter it doesn't matter about other 'opinions' .

[@stevenking6129]

Homosexuality is not a choice or a sin. Peace

[@justiceforall2673]

Hebrew 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek after him. How must we approach God who is an all consuming fire🔥 Psalm 15:1-5 Who may worship in your sanctuary, Lord? Who may enter your presence on your holy hill? Those who lead blameless lives and do what is right, speaking the truth from sincere hearts. Those who refuse to gossip or harm their neighbors or speak evil of their friends. Those who despise flagrant sinners, and honor the faithful followers of the Lord, and keep their promises even when it hurts. Those who lend money without charging interest and who cannot be bribed to lie about the innocent. Such people will stand firm forever. John 3:3-5 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Hebrew 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even as far as the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrows, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

[@mebsteve47]

Even though I believe lying and stealing is a sin and is wrong, I still care for and have relationships with people who have lied and stolen something. I’m not “afraid” of them. I’m not liesophobic or Kleptophobic. God’s word describes sinful behavior. God’s word says lying and stealing, is wrong. I believe lying and stealing is wrong and we should strive to be honest and without sin. God’s word tells us that sex of any sort outside of marriage is a sin and is wrong. This includes sex when not married, adultery and homosexuality. I still care for and have relationships with people who do these things. I’m not “afraid” of them. To be called homophobic when you believe God’s word is clear about being sexually pure places those that “label” you as such in danger of maligning your character.

[@BiblicalBookTube]

Great stuff, Alisa. Thank you for speaking on this important topic.

[@SpeakLifeAndListen]

28:05 He makes a valid point. The Scripture clearly judges in favor of vindicating those who teach sound doctrine. However, in my view, Progressive Christianity is not based on sound Biblical teaching but rather on physical and emotional wellbeing. Even the teaching that women who are in a terrible marriage have to remain married causes so much pain. The bodies of the victims of these teachings are numerous.

[@KDTif]

Terrible or abusive? There’s a difference.

[@mads597]

@@KDTif why should either situation be tolerated? What kind of “savior” would encourage someone to stay miserable? How much mistreatment must a person endure before they’re deemed worthy of relief? (The correct answer is NONE)

[@wendymtzc]

@@mads597 wrong! The correct answer is you made a vow, deal with it… you chose that person, God hates putting away (divorce)

[@allanvanderley193]

Hi ALISA; Following your podcasts now. You and your guests offer interesting perspectives. Many key-words to consider;’sin’;’image’;’fruit’;‘homosexual’;’biblical’;‘scriptures’;’Jesus’-meant’;’Paul-meant’. All of which you use freely with confidence and preconceived loading meaning. Interested to hear more. I’ll comment letting you know that I’m following your argumentation. Will let you know when I believe your point of view well enough to disagree with gentleness and reverence. In the mean time I leave you in peace with the four ‘rules-of-engagement’ for constructive online argumentation: 1.] Assume no malice, 2.] Ask questions, 3.] Stay calm, 4.] Make your case. Love in His Name always.

[@bellbells872]

Exactly find another Church if they compromise the word of God @15:28 so true

[@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED]

God's Word has no shades of grey.

[@gabriellekelly3462]

Thank Alisa for tackling the hard issues.

[@blkstang46]

Sounds to me, that we are now trying to coddle them in their sin. It is just what God says it is. It doesn’t matter how you break down the word. God word stands on its own. When we are in our sin we’re just being disobedient to His word.

[@josephtimmerriman3884]

This question is off topic : What is your take on apostle Kathryn Krick ,?

[@petebobcat9673]

I've come to understand that God has given us the ability to personally know Him . .He also tells us how . . . In order to do that we need to know who we are in Christ ....our new born again self . .. new creature as it's put in scripture . We then strive to live as as Him while in this flesh,both seeing two choices . Right or unright . . Each one shows us something of God . We have free will to choose what God tells us will get us there or go a way opposite of God. ..one way leads to separation of God other to fellowship with God . ..this is one way to understand the rejection of the acts ,we are all guilty of and to love or care for the person . . To separate the person from the sin . . Unright . . That God says is separation from him .. . Our thot on what we think is right doesn't count as God is the creator who says . This is how to know me .... .great utube

[@bilbobaggins4403]

Incorrect. Nothing can separate us from the love of God. People that debauch themselves do it because they don't know who they are. Remember the Prodigal son?

[@petebobcat9673]

@@bilbobaggins4403 the comparison is between believer and unbeliever . .once we recieve then yes God won't leave but in order to not leave He must be in us .

[@petebobcat9673]

@@bilbobaggins4403 i agree we can do nothing of ourselves . Our works are nothing . .we should do anything simply our of love for what he has already done ...i may not know all the details nor can i as I'd have to do that all the time to learn . . it's not possable to do 24 hrs aday . .i believe God has made it so simple . Accepted His finished work then live . .if we truly love him we will do what he says . .i do kkow we're the one who are wrong but the Father has righted us if we want it ..i understand that part as free will . . We are not to become some kind of god by accepting that but are born again of God . New creature . Our new perfect person of God for God ...yes He recieved us to Himself . . Not of ourself but of God himself ....how it all works is life long learning . . I know this . I an a new creature in Christ . .i am His for Him . . I appreciate your thots he as im always learning and do realize so many wrong things out there even Constantine . . God made away for all but not all will recieve it . God is doing the work in me thk Him for that . .

[@bilbobaggins4403]

@@petebobcat9673 Well said

[@blair4815]

It's hard being a homosexual teenager and knowing you'll never be able to be in a romantic relationship as an adult without sin. I hope too always do my best to ignore these feelings and reject love. If only I was born straight, maybe my life would be so much easier.

[@kobewhitlock3975]

Hey! Remember that this isnt a rejection of love. Its a sacrifice of one form of love for the greatest form. Love will always be a part of ur life. It will be tough but the resort comes after the gym! Itll all pay off in the end. But you also have hope in this life. We have come to understand as a society that relationships, sex and marriage is the peak of life when it is so far from the truth. God can radically change lives and bring joy to the worst of them. Set your focus and love to Jesus. Dont ignore love or put it aside, but redirect it to the One who gave it. I pray for so much mercy from Christ in your life and that you can fervently give your life to God with no distractions and find a deep sense of love and community that goes far beyond a romantic relationship. God knows even those are deeply difficult! :)

[@naomispencer2696]

@@kobewhitlock3975 What a beautiful and impactful response! Wow!

[@blair4815]

@Graham Fields not really sure why you would think that, but ok. I’m 15 rn and idk if there’s any way too prove it to you. Why would you think I’m lying?

[@lindsaychilders6927]

@@kobewhitlock3975 what a great and completely honest response. We are brainwashed to think exactly what you've described, to be the intimate goal. It's not.

[@lindsaychilders6927]

@@blair4815 don't think for a second that God with a capital G can't change our own lustful wants. I would love to drink alcohol freely, likely every day, but I know that I can't do that. It's something that I prayed about to God and he changed my want. He will redeem you with a true prayer. He hears it all. He knows what your struggling with. I would genuinely suggest that a simple outcry to God would and can change your desires. You cannot buy into the various lies that are called "our culture." God changes people on the daily because they genuinely want to be right with Him. I would also suggest (out of pure love) to ask yourself.....where did it start? What attracted you, if anything? The answer could certainly be, nothing that you recollect but I would challenge you to dig deep and see if it's a suggestion of the world. I have a very close family member that I LOVE deeply that identities as gay. My mind continually goes back to a time in her life where she was abused horribly by a male relative when she was very small. This happened over and over and she was not protected by her parent. The parent was even molested by this person, yet the parent still allowed her daughter to be around this abuser. I can see, in this circumstance why my loved one is completely turned off sexually by the opposite sex. Its easier for her to go with our worldly culture that "love is love," than to uncover why she feels that attraction and to genuinely turn to God for healing. I will tell you this, Evan....I love you so much and I don't even know you. Your comment is truthful, genuine and very transparent. God will ALWAYS give you a way out of any temptation. It doesn't mean it'll be easy or pain free, but He'll rescue you. GOD BLESS YOU, SON!! You are of much worth and value to God and the kingdom.

[@shaunpeter1000]

Thank you for this podcast. I would love to hear from you on how to minister or deal with a family member or friend who is homosexual. My daughter came out about 4years ago and I know she loves God but it's a constant battle for her and for me.

[@bradamero6850]

Let it go. Agree to disagree if you can't get over it. No one wants to hear you preach to them about praying the gay away. It's a great way alienate your daughter if that's what you're going for.

[@michaelastolarz4888]

Check out Rosaria Butterfield's first two books. They are excellent! I've watched videos of her testimony as well. She was a Lesbian professor at Syracuse University and the Lord got a hold of her and she is now a Pastors wife. ❤ Super abridged intro but seriously, look her up. 😊

[@TheRoger1205]

Maybe my testimony would help to show them? Please feel free to share if you think it might help. God bless. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPHl6GQZamJntk

[@jamersbazuka8055]

Charlotte, what state are you in? Asking more generically and then narrowing down if we're close.

[@lisalittle6158]

Jim Daly asked Jackie Hill Perry "how should a parent respond to their child of their child says 'I'm gay.' You can see the interview here www.focusonthefamily.com/episodes/broadcast/discovering-the-truth-about-my-identity-part-1-of-2/

[@TommyCambron95]

Very encouraged and edified by your no nonsense podcast. Seriously a diamond in the rough in the midst of our climate today! Thank you for your ministry madam!

[@unsilencedderp9411]

I'm sure if you actually watched the whole podcast then you would probably have a bit more reason behind your argument, but since you probably only read the title and commented there's nothing else I can really say except your wrong, if you did actually watch the podcast... then why are you even commenting if your not going to actually say anything, just leave a dislike and go lol.

[@TommyCambron95]

@@unsilencedderp9411 I wasn’t attacking the content of this video. I said I was encouraged.

[@caredits3664]

@@TommyCambron95 I think this poster was on the wrong feed...illogical.

[@bohem5568]

Christians should be honest about their criticism. Ten Commandments say nothing directly about being gay. And the Bible barely mentions it. Seems to me if it was a sin so egregious it would be mentioned prominently. Yet people treat adultery, lies and other commandments with far less condemnation. And often without any consideration. And sometimes even celebration.

[@wendymtzc]

What!!! You have clearly not read the bible… just a clue - Sodom and Gomorrah

[@GodGirl254]

I really enjoyed this podcast..

[@Drowning_Girl]

I want to make sure I was hearing the words correctly but he said if you believe in homosexuality you are still saved as a Christian?

[@duncescotus2342]

We should "know no man after the flesh."

[@Jules4Hymn]

Thank you for this information! Very helpful.

[@LJisreadyyy]

Hi mom

[@melissahauptmeier1446]

Great video! I remember listening to a wonderful video you did with a guest who had written a book about his personal experience with same sex attraction and then converting to Christianity. Can’t seem to find it now and would love to share. Could you help me?😊

[@dan69052]

the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by goat herders, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace

[@Airvian]

Probably Christopher Yuan. His book is holy sexuality

[@marielabusch]

Becket Cook - A change of affection

[@melissahauptmeier1446]

@@marielabusch thank you. I was able to figure that out, and now listen to the author Becket Cooks podcast which is wonderful!😃

[@natoshalynn8887]

Also, this is a great example of confirmation bias and buy in to Americanized church culture, which is the polar opposite of Jesus’ teachings.

[@nicholascelia3393]

Adultery, incest, fornication (sex out of wedlock), whatever is not Christ centered, but to compare to homosexuality I cant help but see the combining all as the same problematic; especially if there is live as opposed to lust! As I pray and read/study scripture, having issues with translations that may or may not be same as the root language that it was written, the Old vs. New Testament, knowing male/female homosexuals who desperately can not change their innate (?) drives, I choose not to judge, pray for them, thankful for this discussion.

[@Ozzyman200]

Nothing wrong with it.

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!” says the Lord ― Jeremiah 23:1

[@bilbobaggins4403]

You don't know if they are "satisfying " their desires.

[@kimalonzo2145]

True...but you dont know that they aren't.

[@anotherdayatthefeast8100]

Of course this is a gospel issue. Biblical marriage is the very image of Christ and His Bride. God opened the side of man and brought forth a pure bride…Christs side was cleft for His bride to be made pure. Why are we even confused? Why is this debatable?

[@MusicalRaichu]

"Biblical marriage" is about a dominant man obtaining a submissive woman in a business transaction with a girl's father ("girl" as in "child"), no assumption on consent, polygyny and secs slaivs allowed. It is illegal today for good reason.

[@samdanner6806]

I am so confused about this whole subject.

[@cw-on-yt]

Any doctrine of faith or morals that has been held by 90%+ of all the faithful practicing Christians in a Christian country, in more than 75% of all the centuries since the Ascension, simply MUST be true. If it were not, then Christ would have failed of His promises to "lead us into all truth" and not to "leave us orphans." It would mean that The Church was not, as Paul claimed, the Pillar and Bulwark of Truth. It would be nonsensical to claim, as Christians always have, that the content of their religion was "divinely-revealed truth," and simultaneously admit that God did such a piss-poor job of guarding His revelation from fundamental misunderstanding! One could not hold such a view, and still have any rational basis for thinking that other more-hotly-contested topics, like the Trinity and the two natures of Christ and the canon of the New Testament, could be known with any certainty. So, if we held that "Oh, gee, my mistake; sodomy is morally laudable after all..." then we could have no principled reason for claiming certainty about any important details of the content of the Christian religion. It would make the content of the Christian religion fundamentally unknowable...a dubious thing, now lost in the mists of time, to be guessed at by modern "reconstructors" on the basis of insufficient data and under-determined historical research. It would mean, in every meaningful sense, that the Gates of Hades had prevailed against the Church. It would, in short, falsify the notion that the Holy Spirit was at work in the lives of Christians for the last 2,000 years. It would mean Christ could not keep his promises, and therefore was not God. But He is God. Therefore, we cannot hold that 90%+ of all the faithful practicing Christians, in every time and place, have been just plain bass-ackwards wrong about a moral doctrine like the intrinsic wickedness of two same-sexed persons mutually stimulating their genitals so as to pervert the telos of the pleasures produced by exercising the human procreative powers. Holding such a view LOGICALLY REQUIRES denying Christianity. The only reason that people who hold such a view DON'T uniformly deny Christianity is because such folk mostly don't give a rat's sphincter about being logically consistent. So, how should we approach persons who hold that view? Well, they should be excluded from teaching-roles on any topic involving matters of faith, morals, or critical thinking, wherever we have the power to deny them such positions. We should correctly identify their beliefs as "similar to Christianity, but not fundamentally coherent with Christianity." And we should recognize that when they teach their views to others, they do not merely undermine the faith, but they act as stumbling-blocks and tempters, encouraging others not to repent of sins, leading to their likely damnation. It is not a small matter. It is not an "agree to disagree" kind of matter. So, yes, OF COURSE Christians should "divide" on such topics. It was for such purposes (among others) that Christ gave us the Church Discipline process in Matthew Chapter 18. Persons with such views, if they will not be dissuaded, even after many appeals, should be treated "as a heathen or a tax collector," until and unless they repent. The Apostle Paul dealt with a man in Corinth (see 1 Corinthians 5) who, no doubt, was of the opinion it was not sexually immoral for him to become sexually involved with his stepmother. Paul gave the correct model for handling such persons: He was expelled from fellowship, his body "delivered up to Satan" in the hopes of the salvation of his soul. (When the man repented, he was readmitted to fellowship.) That, friends, is the Biblical pattern.

[@mikelook2762]

look at guy hammond's book which covers his personal journey as a church leader

[@sonofblessed]

I have listened to a few of these Childers podcasts and I appreciate the tone and the subject matter. If homosexuality in the Christian Bible is a prohibition against that particular _act_ and not the _desire_ to engage in it, doesn't the line of reasoning described in the Sermon on the Mount expand to prohibit the _desire_ as well? My point is that I agree with the reasoning, and the need, to distinguish between 1) action and 2) the _desire for action,_ which is why it seems to me that the type of reasoning in the Sermon on the Mount is incompatible with the human experience. In other words, as a _baseline_ God demands correct behavior _only,_ and were a person to stop there He would be perfectly satisfied with it. Only for those who choose to try to go above and beyond does He expect more. The Sermon on the Mount seems to turn "above-and-beyond" into the standard, which doesn't seem right. I am an Orthodox Jew, and please don't take me as a "hater" of Christianity, for I am not and actually have a great deal of respect for your faith. I do, however, observe a real practical issue with the point that I stated above and am wondering if any Christians here have pondered this point as well.

[@sonofblessed]

@Moris Blackborn Thanks for the response. I'm having a hard time understanding the difference between 1) temptation and 2) lusting (in the mind), or fantasizing. It is different because the prohibition against homosexuality in the Torah is against performing the _deed_ of homosexuality, but not against having homosexual thoughts in your head or heart. Of course, this doesn't mean that the Torah considers it okay to have those feelings, and in the ideal sense it is better not to, but it only holds you accountable in terms of a _transgression_ for acting out that desire. Case-in-point: the Torah says not to consume the flesh of a pig. If I, as a Jew, have a desire to eat pork I am not in violation of this commandment. However, having this desire may _lead_ me to violating it, and therefore it's a very good idea to work on that craving, but which is not expressed as a transgression in-and-of-itself. Eliminating sin in this life is impossible. This is true whether you define sin as _lusting_ for sin or as actually _committing_ one. Either way this is a moot point because nowhere in the Tanakh does God indicate that He expects perfection in terms of sinlessness. Proverbs 24:16 says, "For a righteous man can fall seven times and rise..." If "fall" means "sin" in this verse, how is the Torah calling him "righteous" if he has fallen, and _seven_ times? Apparently having sinned does not exclude one from righteousness, which according to my understanding goes against how Christians understand the definition of "righteousness." And in case you mention Genesis 15:6: _And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him as righteousness._ He was righteous for believing that God would provide him a son from Sarah against all odds, _not_ that his belief in God, at the exclusion of his actions, made him righteous. For example, recall that God praised Abraham for going through with the command to sacrifice Isaac, which is an action and not just a belief in God, and he was considered righteous for it.

[@sonofblessed]

@Moris Blackborn "I would argue in the case of Abraham, that his willingness to go through with God's orders with Isaac was BECAUSE he believed." I would hope so, because we certainly don't believe that he went through with it without believing in God! Is that what Christians think that Jews believe? To disqualify the element of action from obedience is to misunderstand what obedience is. _Obviously_ obedience is rooted in faith, but to have faith without following through is not what God is asking for. See Deuteronomy 6:18: _And _*_you shall do_*_ what is proper and good in the eyes of the Lord, in order that it may be well with you..._ _Of course_ doing what God asks is rooted in faith in Him, but He asks for action, not just faith. Imagine planting a seed that never grew into a plant, or speaking of your love for your wife but never expressing it tangibly. I would take this even further; not only do you need deeds to express faith, but unexpressed faith eventually dies. In other words, deeds preserve faith. If you think about it, a great deal of the interaction between God and Abraham is accurately described as Abraham following God's instructions. This starts in Genesis 12:1-4 and continues on for the rest of his life. In fact, read in context, God recognizes and assigns praise to Abraham's obedience. What is your view on what I said regarding that I do not violate the prohibition against eating pork by experiencing a temptation for it, and how do you understand Proverbs 24:16?

[@sonofblessed]

@Moris Blackborn "Abraham was far from a perfect man, and he certainly was not always obedient to God, as we know. It was his faith that saved him. Nothing else.' How do we know that it was Abraham's _faith_ that saved him, but not God's _mercy_ that saved him? Does God have mercy on the faithless?

[@sonofblessed]

@Moris Blackborn Well, I'm an Orthodox Jew (which I said in my original response to Childers' video), so that may change your most current response a bit.

[@sonofblessed]

@Moris Blackborn Didn't we just talk about Genesis 15:6? If you read the context of that verse you'll see that the _faith_ that it refers to is _not_ a theological statement that places faith over works, but a reference to Abraham's faith that God would give him a son through Sarah (and not Hagar)... The words of the verse that you quoted say it clearly, "Abraham believed the Lord...," he believed what God said He would do. As I said, throughout Abraham's entire narrative, God gives him particular instructions and praises him for heeding them. If you want to have a serious conversation with me (which you are certainly not obligated to) then you cannot quote from Christian Scriptures as a way to convince me of anything. You'll have to stay in the Jewish Scriptures...

[@helenbeam7949]

Why didn't you talk about Romans 1?

[@dan69052]

If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by goat herders, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace

[@jayrocky9067]

Wow.... You must be a genuine genius.. to be the first man to ever figure out that a fetus can determine its sex attraction before being able to actually process a thought... 🤦🏽‍♂️.. I’m sorry but it’s hilarious..

[@jamesnativeenglish7581]

This is one of the issues on which I find myself very disappointed with some Christians.. I believe that what Alisa mentions at 34 minutes or so in is exactly right. For me to be a Christian and for my faith to be genuine I need to ask philisophical questions about the nature of God, questions which the Bible itself is not there to answer. So one of those questions is `what kind of a God would God be?` If God gave us intellect, and I believe he did, then my intellect tells me that the God of the New Testament that I truly believe in would not deem homosexuality a sin. This is because with the intellect we have been given we can say with certainty that being homosexual is not a choice, it is embedded in the psychological and physiological nature of those people. Also, I am forced to ask the question: `Can the Bible contain inerrancy and still contain absolute truths about revelation?` Any serious intellectual grappling with this question must surely lead you to answer `yes`. I do not believe that everything in the Old Testament was divinely inspired. And it is in The Old Testament that we find some of the most explicit condemnation of same sex acts. I can hold this as not divinely inspired and still take the claims of Christ`s death and ressurection as literal truth, which I do. Lastly, I am forced to ask myself `Does the New Testament make metaphysical claims?` and I find that yes it does. Do I believe those claims? I do. But those claims apply to Christ and Christ alone. NOT to Paul. So I can take much of Paul`s teachings as sound basis for actual truths and values that I uphold and I can still believe that he was wrong in some area. Simply put, one can believe that intellectually, philosophically and biblically that Paul`s position on homosexual practices can be wrong.

[@MeatEatingVegan777]

I think, it's about re-framing things for lgbt individuals. On our own, without Christ, we seek meaning, belonging, and comfort. We often take our identity, and the actions we do, and turn it into everything. Our identity. Our Identity becomes our actions, and we end up trying to make sure this identity is always affirmed. Problem is, this shouldn't happen if our identity is worldly. Worldly things have no value and will never help us or save us. We shouldn't take our actions and desires and turn it into an identity that needs to be affirmed at all times. You think of it this way.....if you regularly pick your nose, you openly identify as a nose picker, and embrace nose picking and other nose pickers, what are you doing? You're completely embracing an action, identifying with it, and giving it power over you. Now, this identity is part of you and must be affirmed. You shouldn't do that.....especially with nose picking.

[@larriveeman]

describe what feeling safe is as opposed to what the truth is, the problem is peoples feelings trump the scripture

[@bernieeod57]

No. Not within the Church. With the unsaved, yes.

[@dabbler1166]

Read ROMANS chapter one, verses 26-28.

[@bilbobaggins4403]

You don't decide who's in the kingdom of God. True we can become numb to the kingdom by debauching ourselves. Each soul is unique.

[@kimalonzo2145]

Right. God decides and Jesus says that homosexuals (among others) won't inherit the kingdom of God.

[@78LedHead]

AMEN friend! Some crosses are harder to bear than others. Jesus is the only hope any of us have. That old man (the flesh) never leaves us. Jesus' spirit is imputed upon us. He's the only righteousness any of us have.

[@78LedHead]

@@kimalonzo2145 You are completely taking that out of context. COMPLETELY. Unbelievers don't inherit the kingdom of God. When Jesus said "many will come to me that day and say Lord, Lord?" How does that passage finish? "Lord, I'm sorry, I'm a homosexual?" "Lord, I didnt stop sinning completely!" NO no no. "We did many wonderous WORKS IN YOUR NAME LORD." JESUS NEVER KNEW THEM. If sinners can't inherit the kingdom of God, then ALL OF US are hellbound, including you. Some of these people don't CHOOSE homosexuality. It chooses them in this fallen flesh. I don't think they're born that way.... none of us are born sexual creatures.... but we develop that way early. You ever met a guy who you just knew was effeminate? He can't help it.... he's just that way. God loves him. SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS A SIN.

[@bilbobaggins4403]

@@78LedHead John 14:20 ....in that day you will know.....that I am in the Father ...you are in Me and I am in you. He is in us.

[@78LedHead]

@@bilbobaggins4403 He is the only sinlessness in us my friend. Some of these modern "evangelicals" strain at a gnat to swallow a camel. As Moses lifted up the bronze serpent, so shall the Son of Man be. Sin is sin - look to the One who defeated it for us!

[@13kimosabi13]

I’d love to know if the 2 Xians doing this podcast struggle with their sin as much as they want homosexuals too ? If Jesus sacrifice/death on the cross covers their sin => will it not also cover homosexual sin ? If we confront THEM on the daily => why don’t we confront ourselves and others in the BOC on the daily ?

[@robertfreid2879]

No more Drag Queen Story Hour!

[@bilbobaggins4403]

Are you any relation to Karl Childers from Sling Blade?

[@larriveeman]

1 cor 5: 9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner --- not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person." the goal is repentance

[@psalm1197]

Alisa, did you receive my comment asking you to look into the HeartEdge new Reformation movement in UK, under Rev Sam Wells....?

[@johnwilliam6949]

She never engages directly with anyone who has a different opinion about the way that she sees things in general. So all of these podcasts by Alissa are pure propaganda for a certain, conservative point of view. I wonder why that is? Would it not be more fruitful to engage with those of a different point of view? Very limited programs that just affirm what their listeners already believe anyway.

[@artscraftsantiquity2185]

I was about 16, 1996, when I joined the Gay Straight Alliance in high school, a few girls said “what is she doing here?” In a snarky way. Obviously someone said this is the Gay STRAIGHT alliance, I realized then that unless you affirm their behavior you are not welcome among them. It is unfortunate.

[@dan69052]

the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by goat herders, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace

[@JamesSmith-yw3nn]

My son is living with his gay partner. I love my son but our interactions are tense. How do I handle him and his partner

[@milenacodling2986]

I don't have a specific answer for you, but I do believe Jesus does. Proverbs also has so much wisdom regarding relationships and conflict. I believe God will see you through this brother.

[@LindeeLove]

I'd say quit worshiping the words of the bible and learn to think for yourself.

[@mahlatsimoroka1500]

@@LindeeLove go away

[@LindeeLove]

@@mahlatsimoroka1500 Is that what Jesus said?

[@mahlatsimoroka1500]

@@LindeeLove did Jesus tell you to come here

[@bilbobaggins4403]

How do you " MAKE" Jesus Lord of your life? I thought Jesus was the one who Creates?

[@Purdin347]

Because you make a choice, when God reveals His Son to you. But you know what it means, you are just trolling shame on you. God made life to be choices for us. What is your choice is the question, have a great day. Be praying for you.

[@kimalonzo2145]

It is a conscious, willful choice you make everyday, or as often as necessary, to obey Him.👍

[@78LedHead]

Hahaha! Yep! Lordshippers are so wicked at heart. They have no clue. Jesus is Lord whether you make Him Lord or not.

[@kimalonzo2145]

@@78LedHead very true!! But the comment referred to allowing Jesus to be Lord IN YOUR LIFE. 👍

[@bilbobaggins4403]

@@forgivenhallelujah Correct ....Jesus IS Lord. We don't make Him Lord.....especially with lip service. One day every knee will bow.

[@rickdack9374]

Excellent Show. Valuable Info.

[@davidolson8537]

Do you know anything about church history? Do you really respect everything that the church leaders have done for all those hundreds of years?

[@78LedHead]

NO!!! I SURE DON'T! Some of them were heretics and wicked!

[@MFaith777]

The Catholic Church isn’t comprehensive of all Christians or Christ followers. Christ would’ve never done some of the things claiming “Christians “ have done. We follow Christ, not a denomination.

[@dan69052]

the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by goat herders, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace

[@MFaith777]

@@dan69052 even IF that is true, it’s no different than saying someone can be born with a natural attraction towards children, or their brother, or naturally is easily angered/has a temper that causes them to act out, or naturally has an addictive personality so they are addicted to sex, or drinking, or drugs or even someone who just naturally has difficulty committing to one partner and they commit adultery, etc etc. The list could go on and on. The world has a sin nature. All of us have it in our own ways with whatever sins we struggle with. They were ALL paid for by Jesus. Every single one of them. Anything not of faith is sin. We can’t say something isn’t sin just because we believe the person has natural tendencies towards it. It’s not a sin to be attracted. The sin comes in when someone acts on it or marries someone of the same sex when God was specific that marriage is between a man and woman. But even IF someone commits these sins, they are just as loved by God, just as forgiven by God, and just as redeemable by God IF they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. All we have to do is turn to Him and He will help them with all those struggles. But we’re saved by what He did, not by what we do. Ps...not all the authors of scripture were “goat herders”. That is just plain ignorance and trying to be condescending to our Word of God which isn’t cool. Luke was a Physician and Matthew was a Tax Collector. Peter was a fisherman. Among others. God bless.

[@theresaqueenan9456]

Wait a minute any spouse who falls out love, leads to Adultery. YOU are allowed to leave but for this one thing Adultery. If they choose to forgive and not sin

[@wendymtzc]

Wrong! The Bible never teaches adultery is grounds for divorce…

[@chadmckeel34]

I hate how the discussion has shifted over the past few years from "I know it's wrong, but I can't help it and I need grace", to: It's not wrong so live it up ! Those of us who love and care for someone of the same sex which includes occasional "gay sex" needs a church who don't condone the behavior but accepts us as a struggling, flawed christian.

[@geoffreygklein]

Here’s the truth though: God is a perfect gentleman and will give us the desires of our hearts. So when Jesus said “it is finished!” What he claimed was the debt has been paid. Is it wrong? Yes the Bible says participation in such acts is sin. Can we as Christians condemn sinners? No, Jesus said “love thy neighbor” “turn the other cheek” and “bless your enemy”. So we don’t try to control them with arguing about this topic, we demonstrate our love for Christ by our actions. That’s what plants the seed! That’s true evangelism! Yes we can point them to the truth. We can not bash them with scripture. Lots of ministries have taught us this and laced it with loving God.

[@debrasusan73]

Excellent!

[@ccg2412]

‘Make you uncomfortable when I’m around. You always find a reason to shut me out. You don’t understand me so you push me away. And you claim that Jesus let’s you live that way. Tell me, why me? Why am I not welcome in your company? Why do you treat me like an enemy? If you believe the way you say you do, then why am I unlovable to you?’ As a gay man, I know that God loves me. I know that in my heart.

[@darwinkius]

Are you two saying my mom would be living in sin and bearing bad fruit if she decided one day to divorce my dad for frequently hitting and beating her?

[@leonpope861]

Thank You Very Much Alisa Childers, this is a difficult subject, topic. 🤕🤥😓😓😶😨😢😭 🤲✝️🛐🙏 is much needed. THE LORD has the answer, might, power, and strength for all subjects, topics. 🧠💔

[@PsychoBible]

Thank you for holding the line, Alisa. Please don't ever cave to the growing mob. And hi, Alan! It's Andrew from the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice. Here's my latest video, addressing progressive and LGBTQ Christianity. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGjLqoGma6mUatk

[@davehshs651]

I *don't care* what Christians believe about homosexuality. I *do care* if they try to pass laws that force their beliefs on other people.

[@JamesSmith-yw3nn]

All laws are passed on the belief of someone.

[@davehshs651]

@@JamesSmith-yw3nn Of course. That's obvious. Are you implying that, therefore, it is OK to pass laws that deny rights to gay people that are given to straight people?

[@JamesSmith-yw3nn]

@@davehshs651 we don’t decide who gets to marry God does. God is sovereign. The a Supreme Court threw hundreds of years of precedence out the window when they legalized gay marriage. But gay marriage is not the only thing either. Name me any law that gays don’t have that heterosexuals do.

[@davehshs651]

@@JamesSmith-yw3nn You're welcome to keep your religious sacrament of marriage and deny it to gays. BUT, marriage as a government-authorized legal contract that gives married people certain rights (and responsibilities) is an entirely different thing. You have NO RIGHT to deny that legal right to anybody for any reason. And you have NO RIGHT to force YOUR god's view of marriage on anybody else. As for "hundreds of years of precedence," a forced precedent that denies some citizens rights that others have is evil, period.

[@JamesSmith-yw3nn]

@@davehshs651 I didn’t define what marriage is , God did and I think He knows better since he is sovereign and by the way last time I checked I am a citizen of this country so I do have a say so with my vote.

[@jefftube58]

No, Christians should not agree to disagree on this subject. The Scriptures are plain. If others are folding to accept homosexuality in their churches, don't fellowship with them. If this was an issue like women pastors, for example, Paul is very clear and unambiguous- no. No fellowship with people who believe in woman pastors.

[@coronavirus407]

But you are watching a woman teach?????

[@baylees9800]

didn’t realize you practiced Paul-ism

[@coronavirus407]

@@baylees9800 Don't believe that shit. I'm an atheist. Just like watching theists make a fool of themselves criticizing and hating others. Why don't you all get busy and pray for your dying President Trump? What is God saying about your president? Complete waste of time hating others.

[@JamesSmith-yw3nn]

corona virus women can be teachers just not pastors jefftube58 is right.

[@coronavirus407]

@@JamesSmith-yw3nn You guys really know how to cherry pick, don't you? And then you vilify the progressive? Lot of politicking to divide people over myths.

[@truemanrep3267]

but being gay does not stop them from entering heaven. it is a free gift on belief alone.

[@deniss2623]

Trueman rep That is like saying being a thief doesn't stop you entering Heaven. It does if the thief thinks he can continue to be a thief.

[@gregglucius4753]

Hey Lisa I’ve been listening to you and mike winger and I like most of what. Y’all saybbut I have to say several years ago my son told me that he is gay. I had to rethink my position on the subject. I disagree with his position but I love him so I’m still trying so work it out. I think the right thing to do is love him and except him and let him figure that out with Christ I can’t agree to disagree.

[@dan69052]

the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by goat herders, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace

[@hollyharpe180]

@@dan69052 the Bible is God's Holy Word. Rejecting your natural design and reading books by man, you are accepting mans views, mans opinion, and not God's. When you accept a world view you deny God's will for your life. Making an idol of yourself.

[@oliviamaynard9372]

@@hollyharpe180 Its ok to give up magic beliefs for love

[@lovemylifeflorida2641]

Jesus said loving God with all this e heart and loving thy neighbor were the greatest commandments. I agree with your stance. If Christians get in a debate with them, they will turn away, then who are they getting Christian love and values from? Not who we want them to hear false doctrine e for sure. I tell LGBTQ that God loves them too!

[@bilbobaggins4403]

It's not gay if It's in a three way The area's grey in a 1 2 3 way

[@nohjuan3048]

I believe the persecution of all sinners ended with Christ's death on the cross and Christ's refusal to stone the woman taken in adultery. Nowhere does the Bible give us the authority to run other people's lives, even sinners, even homosexuals. I am at a loss to understand why the Church tolerates adultery among believers and sexual spiritual abuse by pastors, but continues to thump gays as if they were the last sinners on earth.

[@booksybean]

*some churches, not all

[@nohjuan3048]

@@booksybean Your church deals with adulterers who are members? Very rare! Usually they get a pass with the magic words, "Christians aren't perfect, they are forgiven."

[@wendymtzc]

Both adultery and sodomy had the death penalty…

[@nohjuan3048]

@@booksybean Everyone thinks their church is different.

[@helloitsme3287]

Alisa would tell Jesus he’s not loving after he makes a scene at the temple with the money changers. She would belittle him because he called people vipers, dogs and white washed tombs. This panzy love thing is devilish

[@maruiscordier2042]

I always say what does the Bible say? I am not going to say I don't like guy people but from my view it's a matter between that person and God. So let God judge that person.

[@anthonycarbonaro7890]

Immorality is not acceptable. However Sir.. you took Matt 7:23 out of its context. Question: "What did Jesus mean when He said, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me’?" Answer: Jesus said, “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:23). It seems strange to hear our all-knowing Lord say there’s something-or someone-He doesn’t know. Jesus refers not to an intellectual knowledge here but to a relational knowledge. To understand a verse, always start with the context. Jesus is wrapping up His Sermon on the Mount with a final warning about true faith. Jesus predicts that false Christian prophets will be coming as wolves in sheep’s clothing (Matthew 7:15). They may use all the right “God talk” and even make impressive displays of power, but they will not belong to the Lord: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. What is the Will of the Father? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou will be saved. Once saved, always saved! Unbelief will be the only sin that will send you to hell. For where sin abounds grace abounds.

[@deniss2623]

Anthony Carbonara Good stuff, Anthony! I am convinced that unbelief IS the sin against the Holy Spirit.

[@talldarkhansome1]

Good points

[@zekdom]

This is the will of God as well... 1 Thessalonians 4:3 English Standard Version 3 For this is the will of God, (A)your sanctification:[a] (B)that you abstain from sexual immorality;

[@78LedHead]

AMEN! THAT IS THE GOSPEL! Jesus was telling the SELF RIGHTEOUS who trusted in THEIR OWN WORKS TO SAVE THEM that he NEVER KNEW THEM! People love leaving that last part out of that passage. The will of the father is to receive the son. It's a gift of God, and one we cannot earn.

[@78LedHead]

@@deniss2623 IT IS!!!! Many of the passages people use to say that works are needed for salvation don't understand who that passage is written to. It's written to Jews who just had Jesus crucified and rejected HIM!!!! REPENT! Repent of rejecting Jesus!

[@brandyfifer688]

According to this video, everyone is a sinner that isn't waiting until marriage to have intimate relations with their partner and yet....you are focused on homosexuals as the sinner. The "good" fruit and "bad" fruit is one of many concepts in the Bible that could be interpreted in so many different ways. A "good" person can be homosexual. A "good" person can also be a heterosexual person in a long-term relationship and living with their partner. We aren't all "bad" people sowing "bad" fruit all around. This message is dangerous and provides so much restriction that it will turn people away from God instead of towards Him.

[@theresaqueenan9456]

Think Lot angles

[@Cave_Man1986]

God tells you love everyone. And tells you to leave the judging up to him. He’s really not that complicated an issue.

[@_bigdaddydiesel]

I think when some people think love, they think it means letting a person do whatever they want. In the Bible, Jesus demonstrates love in many ways, including correction. If you believed that someone was living in sin, (unknowingly or knowingly) and that their sin could lead them to eternal punishment, it would actually be incredibly unloving to know the truth and not share it with them. This isn't to say some take an unloving approach to this issue, that is a different conversation. However, to correct someone isn't unloving, in fact it shows a great love. Many people face criticism for their views on homesexuality, and for people to understand the very unpopular views the Bible holds with contrast to the world yet still seek to share that truth with others, (potentially sacrificing social reputations and careers) they must really love you.

[@oliviamaynard9372]

One shouldn't hate gays .ore than the love Jesus.

[@carlosbardales4179]

Here is the bottom line... homosexuals do NOT have to be christians if they do not WANT. It is not a mandatory condition to be a citizen in good standind or to be protected by the laws of our nation. Being a christian is a voluntary state in which even the current christians can leave if desired. Christianity has its requirements, one of those is that you can not contineously live in sin. God tells you what those are. If those requirements seem too hard or drastic then do not belong, you would not be happy there anyways. It is not what pleases us, but rather what pleases God.

[@nategraham6946]

So sex is a sin...unless you meet criteria a-z? Name any other thing that is a sin until you meet a bunch of hurdles. And does being gay or in a gay relationship change what Jesus did or who Jesus is? No wonder people leave, you want nothing to do with anyone who disagrees with you. So you are justifying suicide and abandonment as good fruit.

[@francisbabbitt5631]

This just simply isn’t true. It isn’t about who disagrees with her or her guest. It’s about doing things that disagree with the word of god. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. Sex in itself isn’t a sin. It’s the way we create life. Lust and immorality that come with sexual desire is a sin. The bottom line is if you believe the Bible and have salvation through Jesus you can’t support homosexuality because to support that would be to say you didn’t believe what the Bible says to be true. Now does that mean be cruel to them? Absolutely not. I have family and friends that are homosexual. I don’t treat them with disrespect or disdain. That doesn’t mean I have to support them. I would also tell them in a heartbeat if they asked me if what they were doing is wrong that if they didn’t repent and change their life they wouldn’t make it into gods kingdom.

[@nategraham6946]

@@francisbabbitt5631 So, we earn heaven then?

[@nategraham6946]

@@francisbabbitt5631 And I noticed you would condemn at the drop of a hat, how is your love for them? Or is it the standard, the truth even in condemnation is love?

[@tarquinmidwinter2056]

Very interesting. Seems so reasonable from a Christian point of view. Makes me glad that I'm not a Christian, so I don't have to be concerned with this sort of stuff.

[@kimalonzo2145]

You have much bigger concerns

[@kahlilbt]

Like climate change

[@berenlevia8486]

It's not a concern , until facing God in judgment

[@bilbobaggins4403]

The average Joe?

[@helmerrodriguez979]

God bless you both for this Awesome beautiful Godly message !!!

[@MusicalRaichu]

um no ... it's promoting an insidious idea that by their own admission harms people. and when voices speak out trying to correct them, they stick to their guns and devise clever counter-arguments based on legalism and ideology. thus they perpetuate the harm and "bad fruit".

[@nancyyoung9799]

My old church were like that in their not realizin anything about spiritual fruit and what it means. Because they know oh nothin about the Spirit

[@donnybrook8824]

All we can really do is show them Jesus (power of the gospel) on every page of the Bible and wow them with Gods words. The Holy Spirit will convict them. Trust God, not your own so called brilliance.