All 3 Hunter Hero Talent Specs In War Within Alpha! Dark Ranger, Pack Leader, And Sentinel

[@sioc7478]

Dark Ranger needs their auto attack and multi shot arrows to have some sort of visual effect to sell the fantasy. Would be nice to see Blizz allow us to use weapon illusions on our bullets/arrows like the bow from Sunwell or that one orange legion artifact skin.

[@sioc7478]

Survival hunters should be able to glyph the appearance of our ranged attack to any bow/gun in-game. I feel the same should apply to Rogues. Rogues should be able to glyph that lame pistol in outlaw to be any gun/bow so we don't ONLY have to be a pirate. We used to be able to have bows on our Rogues way back in the day.

[@Kosaibot]

@@sioc7478 Agreed to both statements.

[@afrodan7350]

All these talents still feel and look very underwhelming. Sentinel looks cool but that's about it and it incentivises you to not use bombs as an opener wich feels a little awkward. Hope they spice it up a little

[@maxw565]

It doesn't even look cool anymore. They replaced the viduals, this is old footage. The new visuals are a joke

[@OotsutsukiShibai]

Easy, it's only alpha.

[@long2009x]

Hunter players are so disgusting, they always need more and are greedier than mainland cheats.

[@williamkao31]

To me, MM hunter in the Legion expansion was the most satisfying MM version ever.

[@SinguX]

agree 100000% with you looking foreward for Legion Classic -

[@rstarrkk]

Legion mm was insane fun.

[@brianchristensen5266]

@@SinguX ^ this so much

[@miguelangeldiaz9996]

Of all languages, you chose to speak with the truth. After Legion, they removed the vulnerabilities mechanic and that sick pricing shot animation to replace it with that dumb rapid-fire mechanic and animation (I hate that ability so much). I used to love that spec, I played Marksmanship since WOTLK and I was always trying to make it work on PVP... even if it wasn't meta until they decided to kill MM (for me at least). Fortunately, Survival had a whole field of possibilities and was the perfect excuse to play mele without abandoning my favorite class.

[@Sanguivore]

Agreed 100%. Honestly, most specs were at their funnest for me in Legion. I know it's controversial, but Survival was actually my favorite spec of the entire game in Legion, and that's coming as someone who didn't even like playing Hunters at all previously, lol. But I actually loved Hunter in Legion.

[@Corpo2077]

Man you are being to generous with this review. 99% of the community hates these talents, specially when you start seen what other classes are getting.

[@michaelyun2407]

Most likely on blizzard pocket and he have to help put out the fire lol. Hunter is in a bad state and he knows it but have to lie for his pay cheque

[@Voicua]

wold love to see dual wield survival hunt :(

[@GabrielReis-bu5sv]

Me too bro. I really gunno why Blizz is thinking to not bring it =(

[@jrmcbuck1]

No thank you

[@americanmambi]

That would be a pain to gear though

[@puppethound]

Great video, what I can't stand is that they hero talent trees seem to be built around certain iconic characters or certain races, making it tough to choose, for instance, Sentinel, when you play a Dwarf Hunter. I mean Dark Ranger is inspired by Sylvannas, an elf and Sentinel is also inspired by, you guessed it, an elf. I don't know, I am sure other classes have the same "issue." Take Warrior HTT Mountain Thane, 100% Dwarf or Magni Bronzebeard. That's what I meant. They really need to take a look at Hunter HTT, they all lack that "wow factor", these trees need to have themes and very nice visuals or they just become meh passives

[@benkelly7182]

I play an undead SV Hunter and I really love the name of Dark Ranger and I like Sylvanis lol but Sentinel or Pack leader it is

[@Elrigh]

Wait, Sentinel is melee? It literally shows a bow as icon. Please tell me you can use it ranged.

[@garrickkthegreat5762]

i never really paid attention to sentinel, but this is kinda making me consider wanting to main it. I always loved survival and I don't care if there are any gameplay changed but it just looks cool and seems really good so I'm thinkin ima be a sentinel.

[@benkelly7182]

Dude survival is super fun. It was already fun and they made it way better. We get more CC baseline and Explosive Trap and especially Explosive Shot are awesome. It’s fantastic in PVP if you use the whole kit.

[@miamianz]

im confused is there a hunter pet with shadow damage? seems like a mess if you put points into hero slot with out a hunter pet that does that type of damage

[@jeffreyhammack3557]

So boring they need to rework these talents

[@Akihito_Kanbara]

Hunter is boring. Not much they can do without reworking the class as a whole.

[@ggravenngg9885]

True, couple of spells are fine, But 90% of gameplay you just standing and casting aimed shot So lame😂

[@OotsutsukiShibai]

They're going to. Its alpha.

[@0ihatetrolls01]

@@OotsutsukiShibai they didnt lol

[@OotsutsukiShibai]

@@0ihatetrolls01 Yes, they didnt... When I wrote this I kinda knew that I was deceiving myself.

[@jockeberg8353]

I hate how both pack leader and sentinel have synergy with CA for Survival. It in practice means that we will be forced to pick CA for all content. No more spearhead for st fights or "cd-less" options for aoe/m+ you will always be forced to go CA.

[@eliasnilsson597]

Same. What is even the point of a talent tree if they force you into a specific capstone in both hero talents? Very much hope they change it

[@schmooplesthesecond5997]

not necessarily on single target, you might be able to play deadly duo + alpha predator with pack leader. hopefully survival s1 tier set would accommodate

[@eliasnilsson597]

@@schmooplesthesecond5997 It’ll most likely force you into using both CDs since you don’t want to lose the extra bleed damage from Kill Shot, since the damage from Spearhead is a bleed effect. It will be very messy to use them both at once since going without CA will most likely result in a potential damage loss since several hero talent nodes connect with CA. But of course this is all speculation. We’ll have to wait until it’s properly tested. Spearhead has also been severely undertuned. Hasn’t been a serious pick since S1 and that was before the 40% buff to primary targets for bombs. It will need some boost to be worth taking over CA as it is now.

[@Dayou001]

Maybe we'll get a survival hunter rework

[@seibl]

Remember if you choose what you like, blizz will insta block you, take your apartments, and you will go to jail in the end, you must always play only meta, 😅 even if this 000000000.1 DPS more.😅😅😅

[@TheRottenBone]

This game has become pure logistics and mathematics! 10% there 20% that... I don't care!! where is the fun ?? where is the visuals?? where is the fantasy ??? If I wanted to do calculations i would do my taxes

[@morganlomprez4566]

How to fix class fantasy : Dark Ranger : Make Dark arrow a cast and a cool animation Make Unique model for the Dark Hound Improve Chain model and more chains

[@brendanhill5948]

Compare this to Mage. Deleting my Hunter.

[@c2dholla]

stop being spoiled you reworked in cata. you got focus now. wtf you complaining about. enjoy

[@NamelessMate]

@@c2dholla uh cata was over a decade ago and that has nothing to do with hero talents lmao, what a stupid comment.

[@GUTAMAYAx]

@@c2dhollathis was the dumbest comment I’ve ever heard. Arcane mages got massive changes in legion and going forward and are continuing to get insane changes. Your point makes no fucking sense. In fact, your comment just proved our point that this spec has been neglected for so long 🤣.

[@unyldor]

@@GUTAMAYAx You do know he was sarcastic right?

[@GUTAMAYAx]

@@unyldor there’s literally no way of telling through simple text. No body language, no facial expressions, no tone to the voice because there is no voice. The fuck you on about?

[@williamkao31]

Rather than a small dog (hound) or an sentinel, can we at least spawn a spectacular lion, or a legendary hunter NPC performing a distinctive skill with a legendary bow? Even monks spawn a shiny tiger !!!

[@benkelly7182]

It should be the legendary Echeyakee of the Barrens

[@Sanguivore]

@@benkelly7182 Echeyakee was always my favorite pet. :D I even used to go out of my way to get them with Alliance characters.

[@warlock3691]

I've always main'd Hunter in every expansion but this time i may play a different class. Hunters don't seem as cool as other classes like Mages or Dk's this expansion. What I want is flashier/crazy looking pets with showy attacks. Like sparkly turtles that shoot huge beam cannons, or let Hunters also have Mage's Phoenix pets that shoots fireballs. Why must Hunters be stuck with pets that only bite or swipe for attacks? Yea i know some do lightning or poison attacks but I never see those pets in dungeons or raids.

[@Wowzombie15]

Hunter would have been better if they didn’t remove pet spec freedom. Back in the mop-legion days, all pets were usable in all content by switching specs, now they’re all stuck and tenacity is a hit or miss, and cunning is useless

[@demidaemon1982]

That's the problem, though. If they reimplement pet spec switching again, cunning will be DOA, tenacity might get used in some instanced content, and ferocity will be the go to spec for 99% of all content. Before they reimplement pet spec switching again, they need to make tenacity and cunning more viable in multiple forms of content without just nerfing the crap out of ferocity's main abilities.

[@Wowzombie15]

I also think Predator’s thirst should be a passive talent that increases both you and your pet’s leech, that would solve a lot of buffs and nerfs, maybe give ferocity a new passive ability

[@evilmarius]

I belive that this review has been made by blizzard and he just reads it.

[@DTWD16]

The fact that these three talent trees are going into beta in the state they’re in is hilariously tragic

[@schmooplesthesecond5997]

i hope alpha predator + deadly duo would be viable in this expansion for survival. whats the point of being a "pack leader" if we dont get to play the capstone talents for pets? i mean at least in raid, in m+ we most likely will play our usual talent setup regardless of our hero talent choice.

[@Thurium]

Most of these talents just feels like it should be baseline...guess i am changing main

[@mettimo150]

just add something to bring pet utility to the hunter,like master s call,like something where u have to put on stay ur pet and press the button to connect in some ways ,give the fcking idea to control the pet ,like u grab to ur pet and run then get a dash when runs wears off , not just those lazy passives.Make ur pet interactive,that s a beast mastery

[@Shokadezz]

Survival Sentinel actually sounds really fun

[@ourovermelho23]

all huunters tree suck both in termos of gamepplay and visual compared with mages, paladins, locks.... sad times for hunter

[@tinysmardy]

man blizzard hates solo players like me

[@matheuscomp]

Can't help myself from imagining an alternate universe where hunter talents are okay-ish. Pack leader should not exist. Sentinel could be the BM + Surv one since it's all about guarding nature and summoning a wild spirit. Surv and MM could share a talent tree focused on traps, gadgets and explosions, something for the goblin/gnome stans. Dark ranger could replace viper's sting with black arrow and let the dot proc shadowy effects for bonus damage on kill command and aimed shot.

[@djallday25]

I wanted to be excited for this video as Hunter is my favorite class but these hero talents are so lackluster. Marksmanship seems like an afterthought and I wish more attention was focused on a solo ranger/archer play style that isn't reliant on a pet. something with good mobility and good burst and maybe a stealth ability would be awesome. Instead we got magical arrows and a choice between arcane and shadow :(

[@darthrevan2081]

Need to redo Survival to be a ranger. Dual weilder with bow and a little more armor with or without pet

[@Aikuchi]

Gosh, I really thought Sentinel would make me ride a Mount or something (like the DK), coz of the Warcraft 3 unit, where NE female Hunters had mounts and bouncing glaives. :(

[@Udeus5]

What bow is that at 4:40 ?

[@Gharex]

It is called Rae'shalare, Death's Whisper. A legendary weapon dropped by Sylvanas in the Sanctum of Domination raid.

[@Udeus5]

@@Gharex thank you very much

[@PretzlNinja]

Why didn’t they do shadowhunter

[@Sanguivore]

Shadowhunter is more of a Shaman thing than a Hunter thing. It's like a Shaman-Rogue-Shadowpriest hybrid sort of thing.

[@PretzlNinja]

@@Sanguivore oh yeah I forgot about that Voljin was a mysterious dude

[@Sanguivore]

@@PretzlNinja That he was! :D

[@LukeShayMusic]

Surprised to see your review being so positive and impressed with the talent trees. I feel like the dark ranger is the worst and laziest hero talent out of all the classes I’ve seen so far.

[@Necrodoge]

I feel ya with remix being addictive lol

[@timothycrawford2484]

Going to be honest I could careless about class fantasy as that does nothing for my io rating. I just want talents that make my defensive abilities reasonable and enough offense to stay viable.

[@IrvinLep]

I don't understand why they didn't turn your pets into skeletons as a Dark Ranger. Even it it was just cosmetic, it would have made a ton of difference. Maybe have a sacrifice mechanic for MM hunters that go Lone Wolf and have skelly warrior/archer/mage for multiple pets as BM

[@sseetthh]

because dark rangers arent necromancers

[@IrvinLep]

@@sseetthh Dark Ranger is a hero in Warcraft 3, based on Sylvanas Windrunner. Her first ability is black arrow and it turns corpses into skeletons. So yeah, that's the whole point of the dark ranger fantasy. Mountain Thane warrior? It's the Mountain King from WC3. Druid of the Claw? A unit in WC3. Sunfury mage? It's the bloodmage hero. Hero classes are literally heroes from Warcraft. Do your homework

[@hawktondog]

dark ranger chains animation is lazy af. use the maw chain animation ffs

[@Vanator36]

The hunter needs a rework as a whole. Specifically marks. The hero talents just aren't enough

[@Smellyshelly48]

amungus bite

[@castaway3240]

Why would any race besides night elf be a sentinel? Please blizz just rework the whole class

[@Wowzombie15]

Amazing video, you explained them very well and loved seeing the rotation, I wish pack leader had more pet summon procs similar to dire beast, but buffing you and your pet while doing all these coordinated attacks, and as for sentinels, I already found a good 2h glaive lookalike weapon for transmog purposes when I play sentinel

[@Newrongg]

This talents are lucklaster. Very disapointed. I hopes for something good + some reworkes. Only good stuff its dark ranger defensives on exhiliration. Rest its 1/10. Survival cant pick dark ranger like always in shambless. Blizzard need to hire someone for hunters design. This class its iconic to WoW but this threatment its horrible. I am playing hunter since 2004 but this iteration its going worse and worse. MM still need to summon pet to pop bl and dismiss right after and get penalty to dmg its mind blowing how this exist after so many years. They shold fire hunter designer because clearly he doing nothing to make class somehow decent and fun to play.

[@jovanudovicki5895]

Really sad !!!

[@Urgot-BlackPill]

Im done with hunter, total trash. Reroll

[@sithias3642]

I liked shadowlands mm hunter so op

[@JP-ji1hi]

These are BUNSSSSSSSS just make the class specs look cool god damn they even failed to do that

[@carlosguerrero1623]

The visual effects are trash there’s nothing exciting about it

[@TheKerack]

Man the Dark Ranger part was painful to watch, the hero tree is soo bad its insane, and the visuals are absolutely trash.

[@seibl]

Why hunters did not summon toyota corolla 170 , because i drive one of those, f.uck it reroll, hunters with no toyota is sucks

[@benkelly7182]

lol what

[@Vondarkstar]

Dark hounds? Should be skeletons like the original dark ranger.. -,-

[@michaelyun2407]

Sorry your video are usually good but not this one. Both hunter class and specs tree for all 3 spec need major rework. The hero tree is boring with poor animation and mostly passive. Look at mage, warlock, pally, priest,monk their hero talent look so much more fun and animation looks very good. Heck warlock gets to summon raid boss while BM hunter gets a tiny shadow beast or just more pets from our stable. Just be honest next.

[@poundsofslothcigars]

sucks to be a hunter lol. Glad I stopped back in WoD never looked back once I made my monk in legion.

[@Atleast100bees]

Honestly just give us Dark ranger class already. I dont understand why they are beating aroud the bush with this.

[@stefanstanculescu1133]

dudes, it's a hunter. it has arrows and that's it. it's very normal not to be as flashy as mages or shamans

[@Nhouyengah]

This ^ although one could argue BM here talents could summon bosses even for an instant like mukla, etc... and other various changes, they could do more visual / gameplay while keeping the 4 button specs Hunter mains love

[@IBrain7896]

ah yes.., because sylvanas being an banshe that created dark ranger to use shadow damge with their ablitys and every thing she fire got a shadow cloud behind is not very flashy. Plus you don't have already a Boss fight with her where you can copy paste some of animations into dark ranger (like her autos). nop to very flashy at all... dude pls

[@stefanstanculescu1133]

@@IBrain7896 so you are telling me that firing arrows from a bow should be as flashy as conjuring fire meteors, imense fireballs, icy blizzards etc.? lol, ok

[@IBrain7896]

@@stefanstanculescu1133 yes i do because is exactly that what sylvanas do

[@IBrain7896]

@@stefanstanculescu1133 and if you play other mmos with "hunter" class they are flashy AF

[@TheRufferino]

I think you need to take a read of the class forums before you post these videos because the majority of posts right now are crying out for reworks on different specs as well as the hero talent trees themselves. I main SV hunter and it's pretty funny to me that I don't even have the option to having Black Arrow back, but that's just a minor gripe on my end. All in all, I'm seriously considering rerolling if I even buy TWW at all. The only thing that would convince me to keep playing the class/spec that I enjoy so much even if it's massively memed on is having the uninspired and boring talents revised. I don't mind simplicity but currently Blizz is fumbling the class so badly, and having them be radio silent for the past 5 weeks on all of the many valid complaints that hunters have is just so damn poor. Anyway yeah, nice shill.

[@odialscarrers]

They feel like lazy effort.

[@Archie_GG]

Dark Ranger MUST convert ALL damage in SHADOW! Soooooooo bad design! Sylvanas with Serpent sting WTF T_T

[@kd9419]

Not looking forward to class buff months into expansion. Purely dps classes should be S tier dps. And should have the coolest fantasy associated with damage abilities. 40% slow is weak when there are bigger aoe slows. Nor do you always want the slow. Healing yourself a purely dps hero talent? Huh?? Nerfing barbed shot up time just to give you a hero talent is lame. Barbed shot is up enough.

[@arsalanabbasi9323]

Day 5 of asking you to make a video about the fact that shamans need a rework but haven't got one

[@WolfeRavenwood]

Remember, when your pet felt like your pet and companion and not like just another skill as a beastmaster? Sigh.

[@eliasnilsson597]

I can't explain how much I hate Sentinel. It is the exact opposite of everything I wished a Hero Talent tree would be. I don't care if it's strong, because it's, of course, gonna be the strongest for Survival. When I see Sentinel and compare it to other hero talents I get depressed. I don't want to use Arcane Magic as a GOBLIN Hunter. I don't want a passive owl shooting arcane beams. I will be playing Pack Leader if I stick with Hunter simply because that actually does something. Hero Talents should emphasize synergy, make our main abilities stronger and more fun to press. Not add a passive owl that feels completely disconnected from what I am doing as a player. Make me earn the damage through playing well, don't just give it to me for free. I can promise you already, that owl will be cool for about 1 week. After that you will be completely desensitized. There is no satisfaction to be had in the Sentinel tree at all from actually playing the class and using my spells properly or in a clever way. Pack Leader seems fine but as other players have mentioned, it sucks that so much emphasis is on our focus generator and pet attacks. I really wished they focused more on the fixing some weak spots for Hunter. My idea of Pack Leader was that it would add some kind of buffing between your pet, you and your party. Which is, sort of, what we got but it's tied to pet attack. (For those who don't know, you turn off pet attack when you use your strongest CD as Survival) This to me suggests that Blizzard aren't really aware of how the players are currently interacting with Survival as a spec. I really wish they would have focused more on making hunter a stronger supporting class with these hero talents since that would add so much more value to the class without disrupting the gameplay. I am so incredibly disappointed because I know already that there won't be any changes to hunter. I don't want to swap from my hunter, since I love to play Survival, but I probably will. There isn't a single Survival hunter that actually enjoys using Coordinated Assault (What I mean is the use of macros for Kill Shot and how it's implemented, not what it does) and they're pretty much forcing you into using it. I feel that I will be missing out on more fun and cooler stuff, like Warlock, if I stick to my main. That feeling really sucks. Take a look at US forums for Hunter if anyone is curious. I will link the main post from the CC here. It is a rough read but also completely valid criticism for the class. Blizzard has neglected hunter compared to other specs and despite this harsh and valid critcism, Blizzard has responded with complete silence. The future for this class over TWW isn't looking very good. us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-hunter-updates/1833173

[@demidaemon1982]

I read the posts, some which I agree with and some that I hard disagree with. My main problem with the primary response is that it only addresses instanced content and does not address what I consider to be the problems with the talent trees, which is that so much of what makes the specs actually function as intended is often located past the first or second talent gates. It also indicates specific builds as if they are the only build, which I think is pretty problematic of a POV.

[@eliasnilsson597]

@@demidaemon1982 Most of these builds originate from theorycrafting and players who push the spec as far as it can go. Of course that doesn’t mean a casual perspective is without value but these POV’s represent the more knowledgeble and experienced perspective. From my own experience as a m+ player these concerns represent my own opinions quite well, and from the comments on the forums, it appears to appeal to some kind of majority. There is a growing dissatisfaction among people who want to play hunter on a higher level of content. And that is, I suppose, what the post mainly focuses on. Which could alienate the more casual crowd who don’t agree and enjoy hunter as they are currently. I’m not advocating for a more complex style of play or a change in gameplay, but what I do want to see going forward is for hunter to be on a more even playing field than what they currently are compared to what other classes offer to a party for instanced content. The current class tree for hunter is limited in choice, there is seldom reason to swap points for specific content or challenges. Personally I do enjoy the gameplay of hunter, that’s why I’m very passionate about it. Because right now I feel the class falling behind for reasons not connected to the style of gameplay, but rather things as utility, group value and defensive power.

[@jedhaney3547]

...I don't get how you mess up something as simple as Pack Leader. It's so easy, just make you have a crap ton and/or roided out pets. Permanent Stampede or something of the like.

[@the_purple_mage]

Don't get me wrong: I am grateful for the video, but it highlights a sad fact: this sh*t is just boring. So much potential squandered. Someone in game remarked, "I can't wait for my Versatility to increase by 2% stacking five times." While inaccurate and overgeneralized, it does perfectly encapsulate a valid sentiment that this system is just more of the same with a different coat of paint. "Hero" talents, like "Hero" classes is just clever word-ism to make us eager for the next new toy, when in fact it's the same recycled slop. Just my two cents. Don't @ me, bro. Move on if you don't agree. It's just unbelievably underwhelming to me.

[@Lumivito]

None of them are attractive.

[@DarkGrif]

Yeah, so not much actually gonna happen to Hunters again next expansion. If/When I get around to playing it, I won't be on the Hunter. MM and BM have played the same sense Legion and, personally, they sucked them to mechanically. Now they've just slapped on things from Shadowlands as talents and it didn't help at all with the class design. And I'm tired of Melee Survival. I was one of the people who was kind of excited for the idea. However, you are more or less stuck with a 2h to play it, and I detest the visual of the pocket crossbow for things like Serpent Sting and Explosive Shot. Just make it Ranged again at this point.

[@commracA]

Sentinel >>>>> all

[@alancode2147]

These all suck pretty badly. You must be completely shilling so you don't lose your insta-alpha, because these are awful. Even the dark ranger proc that you gloated about was barely noticable, you had to zoom in, have nothing else going on, and stand there and autoshoot to see it.

[@TheMikeJones89]

Love your positivity, but yeah this is trash. Smokescreen still looks fun yo talent into, and besides the horrible sounds lol, the dark hounds seems pretty cool as well, but yeah overall this definitely sucks Big Time for Hunters, might actually be switching mains now idk. Really sucks that none seem to actually play into the BM play style, its like BM is being put in as an "off spec" instead of having something or some talent ath that really goes well for us. Lots of it seems to only apply to barbed shot and kill shot. Truly saddening!!! Thanks for the vid tho Dal 👍👍

[@feeltherush310]

1st

[@harribarri1141]

Awful