All Season Tires and T Sportline TS5 wheels for the Model S Plaid!

In preparation for freezing temperatures and winter weather in NJ I installed all season tires (Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 in 285/35/20) on satin black T Sportline TS5 wheels (20"x10").

[@gust9464]

T sportline & Martian wheels are the best out there right now. It’s good you changed the OEM summer tires, anything below 45 degrees they do. It hold up well. The model S also has rear camber issue causing that shredding on the rear tires. I actually like how it looks that these stick out wider than the OEM wheels. Looks really nice 👍🏾⚡️

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks! After a year and over 20k miles, I'm still happy with the T Sportline wheels. They have held up really well and I still think they look better than the 21" Arachnids. I posted an update at 20k miles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnykZ6J9nqyKbLM . I estimate that the tires could go another 20k miles (I rotated them after I made the video).

[@crimson888]

Great video and really a perfect time for me as I am ordering a Plaid and was thinking about the winter set up...going with the 20's non staggered seems to be the right move and now I wont buy the Arachnid rims and go straight for the aftermaket...really thanks for doing such a good video

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thank you for feedback! Although there are now all season tire options for the Arachnids, I prefer the look of the TS5s and would skip the Arachnids if I were to order another plaid in the future.

[@scottbreseke716]

I'm pleased with the good efficiency of my Pirelli P-Zero All Season Electric tires on my Model 3P. 235/45/18.

[@tafl-9198]

Looks amazing

[@TSportline]

Nice video Joe, a lot of good detail shared makes this a great video to watch!

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks 👍

[@automagni]

Looks great Joe. When I saw your car I thought those were stock wheels. Thanks for the ride. That was absolutely nuts!

[@lukeb321]

Have TS5 on my Model 3 Perf and love them. Looks great - enjoy

[@cryptojedii]

Excellent video...glad I stumbled on you! Thanks for demonstrating this.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks!

[@alienranch]

I've got the same car ('21 Plaid in blue) and are replacing the same 21" Arachnids with the exact same 20" TS5 square setup. This is the perfect video for visualizing the before and after while I wait for mine to arrive. I was definitely shocked to hear about the efficiency hit considering the lighter wheels and the all season vs performance tires that come on our car. Granted there is more overall contact with the road with the 285's all around, but that should be negligible. New tires definitely have a greater rolling resistance which I think you're already seeing start to improve. I would've hoped that the lighter wheels with a harder compound by the same manufacturer would even out the larger contact patch and less aerodynamic wheels, but doesn't appear to be the case. As you know, you don't by a Plaid for the efficiency, but still sucks to go backwards. Looking forward to your updates!

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

It's great to hear that this video was helpful for you. I, too, was surprised by the change in range, but I think it primarily had to do with the new tread. I've since put 10k miles on the wheels and tires, and my range seems to be around where it was with the Aracnids. I'll be making a 30k mile update video on the plaid in a couple of weeks - I'll talk about the TS5s.

[@jerrymastellon6724]

Great video. Decided to buy them. They look great.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks! I'm loving the TS5s. The fit is great.

[@jerrymastellon6724]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee I take delivery of my plaid on Monday. Looking forward to putting them on. You’re in NJ I see. So am I. Exit 8a off the pike.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

@@jerrymastellon6724 Exciting! Yes, I'm South Jersey - exit 4 off the turnpike. I spent the first half of my life up near exit 11. Congrats on your soon to be delivered plaid!

[@RussManK3]

Looks good. I have the same color Plaid. Wheels, rotors and lowering links are next. Not sure on wheels, don't think I want to go with black though. Still shopping!

[@mickyd3]

Thanks for the honest review. Before I watched your video, I was thinking of the same wheels as they look great. I was hoping to replace them on my Model Y Performance but I am having second thoughts. With my 21" Uberturbine wheels, I get betweeen 260 - 320 when driving conservatively and no more than 70 mph. I lreally like the looks of the TS5 wheels so I was hoping for better range. I haven't seen anyone really provide long-term results, just short-term results after a quick swap. I really like the looks of the Uberturbine wheels but they are heavy so I was hoping to have a win/win in purchasing the TS5 wheels. Too bad they don't have aero wheel covers for longer trips. Thanks for the really honest review.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks for the feedback! I've put 20k miles on these wheels and tires so far. The range is back to where it was with the OEM 21" wheels. I plan to provide an update in a few weeks to show how the tires are holding up.

[@jakeacim]

Great video detailing the TSportline Wheels and the Michelin Sport All Weather 20s in a square setup! They look awesome against your blue Plaid! Would you mind doing follow-up videos on the effects to the range? I haven't seen anyone else do a long-term review of them.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks for the feedback! That is a great idea - I'll do some follow-up videos on the effects of the wheels and tires on range (I'll capture data on a more consistent basis). It has gotten significantly better since the initial install (I've driven about 1300 miles on the new wheels and tires) - I averaged 351 Wh/mi during my 80 mile commute this morning. I'm hoping it will get back down into the 320 Wh/mi - 330 Wh/mi range.

[@carsbykev7037]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee I'm buying these today. I'd like to know the range difference now, as I was hoping it would be MORE efficient than my Summer Arachnids. I put winters on, but now i'm just ready to trade to a 20" for tire availability as the EXACT same thing happened to me while traveling (tread separation on driver rear PS4 at...19k miles). I don't want to keep the Arachnids and swap for winter, so I'm buying these and selling the winter setup w/ Arachnids. I don't really need winters, but the Summer tires took a beating in my mild-35 deg average winter. I could buy the 19s w/ AS as a separate pair, or buy these wheels with AS and sell the Arachnids. The range would improve for sure with the 19s, but how is it with these TS5s?..... Wrote all of that, then went down a couple of comments and saw a reply...Hmm. This sways me back to the 19s. I'm getting 350wh/mi - 370 wh/mi on my winter tires (Pzero Winters).

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

@@carsbykev7037 What were you seeing for efficiency with your summer Arachnids? My observed efficiency is based on highway driving (on the faster side). My efficiency changed by ~10% with the all season set up. With that being said, I'm ok with the change in efficiency given the improved cold winter grip and the look of the wheels (especially the offset where they come out a little more).

[@carsbykev7037]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee During the same temps, 75 mph cruises just for testing, Summers were 330 wh/mi 40 degrees, Winters 350 - 360 wh/mi., on the exact same route, same time of day, same 40 degrees. I think I'm going to get the TSR 19s.

[@carsbykev7037]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee 330 wh/mi summer, 355 wh/mi on Pzero Winters. That's on a regular 220 mile one-way trip during the winter at 40 degrees. My average wh/mi on the winters went up from 350 to 375 after about 5k miles on the winters though (20k total miles on the car when they went on), so there's a bigger penalty than that trip showed. The school run is averaging about 400 wh/mi vs 350 wh/mi prior, but my driving varies a bit depending on how many people I want to pass quickly in the AM (my kid enjoys the roller-coaster ride, wakes her up).

[@Scott-rw1bt]

great video. Curious if the efficiency has improved any further and ride improved over the 21's? I like the idea of being able to rotate them, but still considering staggered.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks! The efficiency has improved by about 50 Wh/mi since the video, but temperature is likely a factor too as it has since gotten warmer. I'm seeing around 340 Wh/mi for my commute which is 90% on the highway. The ride is slightly better than the with the 21s, but it wasn't a night and day difference. The road noise on the highway with a non-EV tire is noticeable, but wouldn't stop me from buying these tires again. I've put about 10k miles on the wheel and tire set up. I'm planning to provide a 28k - 29k mile update within the next 2 weeks. I'll pull the wheels and tires off to show the tire wear.

[@JetFire9]

Those look great, and so much nicer to have 20" tire options, but I couldn't tolerate going from 330 to 380-400 in wh/mile. That is a huge amount of range loss. Any update on the range improvement in the last 2 months? Wonder how much better it would be with a low rolling resistant, EV-specific tire?

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

My car's energy consumption is now in the 350 - 370 wh/mi range for my commute which is 90% highway. I've put around 6k miles on this set up thus far, so the tire are definitely broken in. In the spring when I'm ready to put my OEM wheels and tires back on I plan to capture energy consumption data with my current wheels and with the OEM wheels within a given week so that temperature won't be much of a variable. I'll make a video on that. I chose a performance oriented tire to have grip for acceleration - if that is not is not a significant factor, I think a low rolling resistance, EV-specific tire would be the way to go for 1) better range and 2) less tire noise (it is noticeable on the highway).

[@saummisra9621]

Looks great! Did you get any weight savings in the new wheels?

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks! The OEM front wheel/tire combo weighed 60.6 pounds and the OEM rear wheel/tire combo weighed 67 pounds. The TS5 wheel/tire combo weighed 60.6 pounds so a 6.4 pound savings/wheel in the back but no weight savings in the front.

[@D--T]

Thanks for the video. Perfect for me as I am also looking at the exact wheelset for my also blue model s. Did you use the tsportline spacers in the rear? I will be getting narrow winter tires though, so 255/40r20. Won’t look as good as yours. It’s a pain in the butt that we have no all season options for the 21 rims.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks for the comment. I did not use any spacers. I'm happy with the fitment.

[@D--T]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee Good to know, really helpful. Thanks!

[@cryptojedii]

@@D--T If it helps, I bought the MICHELIN PILOT SPORT ALL SEASON 4 21 inches for my P100D from Tire Rack. They fit perfectly and are XL-Rated for Teslas. Glad I found them, because here in Chicago it could snow even in April. Haha Hope this helps.

[@StarQuest115130]

Great Vid! Question: The car's computer only lets me select between 21" and 19" wheels...What did you set yours? Thanks

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks! I tried both settings but ended up settling with the 21" setting so that my range isn't optimistic.

[@Jon160mph]

Considering getting a plaid. Very helpful. Love the music! Do you have a link to the Apple Music or YT Music song? Couldn’t not find it. Thanks!!

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Thanks for the comment! If you have any questions on the plaid and ownership, let me know. The songs were all downloaded from Audio Jungle: 1) elements.envato.com/electro-dance-music-Q96C2GL ,2) elements.envato.com/uplifting-dance-music-HBZFK4M

[@truthja]

Noticed wrong tire size in description vs actual size in video.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Good catch! I just corrected the tire size in the description to 285/35/20. Thanks for pointing that out!

[@hobadahee]

Hey Joe, any update on performance? Thinking of making the switch to these TS5s as I had the same set on my M3P and loved them, but worried about how it affects performance (0-60, 1/4 mile times, etc.)

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Unfortunately, since I'm running all season tires on the TS5s, it would not be an apples to apples comparison with the 21" arachnids with summer tires. However, these wheels are lighter that the OEM wheels - if given the same tires, they should be a performance upgrade. I haven't noticed any change in performance once rolling. I have a little more slip when launching due to the tires.

[@immu2k1]

How have the 21" arachnids held up for you in NJ (Northern, at least) potholes? I'm on the fence whether to order with 19's or to go with the 21's (which def doo look nicer).

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

My Arachnids held up fine on NJ roads. Knock on wood, I haven't bent them. The 19" Tempest wheels don't have the rear tire wear issue that the 21" Arachnids have. One of my rear tires wore through the cords on the inside edge after 18k miles, and the other rear tire was close to wearing out too. If you are in NJ and plan to drive the car through the winter, I'd recommend getting the Tempest wheels with all season tires and get a set of 20" aftermarket wheels with sticky tires for the warm months. I personally love the look of the 20" Tsportline TS5 wheels on my car.

[@immu2k1]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee This makes sense, thanks!

[@randygreen7871]

Joe, will Tesla install the track pack with these new 20" wheels? Also i'm very surprised they're using more energy being a smaller lighter tire and rim!

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

The Tesla Model S Plaid Track Pack comes with 20" wheels so these 20" TS5 wheels should be compatible with the Track Pack brakes. I've put 18k miles on this wheel and tire set up - my car's energy consumption has improved and is back to where it was with the OEM wheels. I'm thinking the rolling resistance of the brand new, non-EV tires was a factor in the energy consumption that I had initially observed.

[@bagaboom616]

It looks really good but does it affect range?

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Sorry, I had missed this comment. There was a slight negative impact on range, which got better over time as the tires wore down a bit. I plan to provide an update once the weather where I am warms up. I want to factor out the impact of the cold temps on range.

[@Halo3GunMan]

Damn open your ears

[@don.newlon]

Do you still have this car? Wanted to see an update on your ownership.I recall you had a long commute. I’m a 40K+ miles a year driver and considering it.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Yes, I do. I just finished filming a 34k mile update this evening that I hope to have up by the weekend. Aside from the premature tire wear on my first set of tires, I couldn't ask for a better car for my commute. The 20" wheels and tires that I have on the car now are holding up much better. I plan to provide an update on the wheels and tires in 2 weeks.

[@don.newlon]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee Terrific. I recently spent quite a bit of time in a 2023 equipped with the 19" Tempest wheels, and wow the ride was a dream on the highway and poorly maintained city streets. Downright plush. I have almost no experience with the car on 20" or 21", so would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Joe.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

I noticed a difference in ride quality going from the 21" Arachnids to my current 20" TS5 setup. I could imagine the 19" Tempest wheels and tires would be even more comfortable. The height of the tire side wall makes a big difference in ride quality. The 21" set up was firm. I didn't consider it to be harsh but I recall my first impression of the car was that the suspension felt much firmer (with the dampening in auto) than I would have expected for this type/class of car.

[@strokerta1986]

Any drag times with the all seasons?

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Not yet, but that reminds me to pick up a racebox and make a run.

[@xrpo.g6855]

Factory wheels look so nice. I’m trying to get them in 20’s for my 2019 100d model s. But with them being 40 offset i’m not sure what i need spacers wise to get them to fit. No one seems to know. Can’t find any literature online either.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

The factory wheels that came on my Model S Plaid are the 21" Arachnids. Are you looking to put those wheels on your 2019 Model S? They will probably stick out a bit as my the 2021+ Model S has fender flares relative to the pre-refresh.

[@xrpo.g6855]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee thats correct.

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

@@xrpo.g6855 I did a little research and found that if you run a square set up of 21"x9.5" with 265/35/21, you'll be good to go with no spacers. If you use the wider rear wheel (21"x10.5") in the rear - you'll likely encounter rubbing, with or without a spacer.

[@xrpo.g6855]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee My stock wheels are sunk in by about an inch. based on correct offset wheels for mine in 20x9's being 35 offset i'm assuming running 5mm spacers will get me to the correct offset i need but with the wheels you have that i want are 1 inch wider that is not accounting for the overall 1 inch so accounting for that i'll probably need to run 10mm spacer so the wheel sits where my stock 19x8's sit now. like you said... this shit is a headache have to spend time dealing with lol... thinking of just leaving it as is and continue on with it as stock,,,,

[@xrpo.g6855]

@@TheLifeofJoeLee I highly doubt i could fit a 9.5 wide wheel on mine. Remember mines the 2019 model yr.. Not new like yours. Max i think is 9's.. otherwise any bigger then cutting of inner fender liner and rolling fenders would be the result i'm sure ontop of wheels protruding way past the fenders... Was all about that life years ago with my chrysler Hemi's... Been there,,,, done that.... not doing that anymore... lol

[@chrishoedt]

Which mud flaps do you use?

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

I have the mudflaps from Tesla on the car. I've purchased the mudflaps from Tsportline, which I'll be installing this week. I plan to have a video comparing both mudflaps up by next weekend.

[@jean-marcaiello3055]

Are this TS5, 21 wheels? Can you send me the right Namen and Spezifikation🙏🏻?

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Hi Jean-Marc, these are the 20"x10" variant of the T-Sportline TS5 wheels. Here is a link to them: tsportline.com/collections/20-tesla-wheels-model-s-long-range-plaid-june-2021-present/products/ts5-20-tesla-model-s-long-range-plaid-wheel-set-of-4?variant=40901506072770

[@JayJay-ym5jx]

Looks good but the chrome badges come on man

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

Good point. I think black badges would look good.

[@689HRRY]

You know the song that plays at 5:28?

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

It is Electronic Dance Music from the Artist Serg Maru. Here is a link to where I purchased it: audiojungle.net/item/electro-dance-music/20449483

[@Prosper-zs5vm]

Black yes, even matte does not look like a Tesla, because the dark opening of the arches hides the discs and they are poorly visible, bronze or silver discs would be better suited for this color of the car, I advise you before buying matte discs, check how they match the color of Tesla!

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

I appreciate the feedback. I had originally ordered these wheels in satin gray but changed they order so I would get a different look from the factory wheels which are gray. The black looks nice in person (I like the look) but I agree that they get hidden in the wheel arches. My last Tesla (Model 3 Performance) was dark blue metallic (same blue as the this Plaid) with silver wheels - I liked the contrast. Unfortunately, these wheels do not come in silver. Hopefully this video will help people with their decision on whether to buy these wheels, whether to go with 20" wheels in general, and which color to choose.

[@keithfranklin2686]

Driving in low does not cause inner tire wear. The wear comes from the non adjustable rear camber arms. It seems to be a problem with the 21 wheels.

[@mohamadsabsabi5202]

You must not lift the car that way

[@TheLifeofJoeLee]

I jacked the car using one of the 4 jack points, as identified in the Tesla manual, using a jack pad specifically for teslas that is keyed so that it doesn't move and keeps all the pressure on the jack point (i.e., so it doesn't put any pressure on the battery).