Allen Iverson DID NOT TELL A LIE! - Stephen A. on AI averaging 43 PTS in the modern NBA | First Take

On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Kendrick Perkins and Brian Windhorst react to Allen Iverson's comments saying he would be able to average 43 points per game in the modern NBA. Then, the panel react to Kevin Durant confronting fans.
0:00 Reaction to Iverson's comments
4:00 How are things different in today's NBA?
6:30 Kevin Durant's interaction with fans
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[@eggm0ney]

Brian windhorst blinking at 100blinks per second is crazy

[@mikeallen333]

I can’t unsee it now…

[@tomanguyen]

Lmao didn’t even notice that. Now I’m just staring at him blinking 😂

[@michaelrodriguez7380]

yea, and THAT has him huffing and puffing. Brian couldn't do one liner. They should have cut the video before he opened his mouth.

[@XPXhumble]

wow i've never noticed that before

[@williesingletonii2312]

😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jumbokevin]

He already averaged 33 points in a season back then so 43 is not ludicrous

[@artate92]

He was being humble by saying that number lol

[@palmpalm5663]

He was the only person taking 25 shots with 12 FTs a game. He’s not getting 43. People telling me eyetest and I see people like Kyrie out here not averaging 40 😭

[@fatality1249]

I mean he definitely could average 43 if he wanted to and if his coach let him do it. Because they’d win about 5 games if he tried to average 43 in todays game. He’d shoot 40 shots a game on 40% shooting.

[@waltermitchell2432]

43 is ludicrous. When he averaged 33 he took more shots than any player post 2007. Yall really think AI is 9 ppg better than Luka?

[@codybryant7026]

Exactly in 06 and still came in 2nd place. 33 in 06 is like 43 today only thing Windhorst said that was correct was about minutes idk he they would’ve let him play that much but I doubt he’d go for that

[@MacJokerDZ]

This season, the most minutes per game is Demar Derozan at 37.6 minutes. AI averaged 41.1 mins for a whole career in the 90s and 00s. In the league right now he run circles around EVERY body for 48 mins EVERY game.

[@waltermitchell2432]

Players play less minutes because the talent in the league has gotten better. AI would not play more minutes in todays nba, hed play less.

[@k-ri2023]

@mitchell2432 Players today play fewer minutes in order to avoid injuries and the wear and tear of the game. This decision is not based on competition, but rather on the request of players who possess the level of talent such as AI, who would be better than 95% of the league in any era. If we were to bring AI from the 2000s to this era, he would still play the same amount of minutes as he wouldn't want to come out, and the team would oblige unless he had injuries that prevented him from playing.

[@kennethwalls341]

Bro went off in the 4th quarter against the jazz

[@waltermitchell2432]

Players who played in the 00s played in the late mid 10-20s and every last on of them did not play even 38 minutes per game. Kobe, Bron, CP3, etc. All players play less, because there are more players that are worthy of playing minutes and it's in the best interest of the top guys to play less minutes to prolong their careers.

[@frederickmoorejr2480]

The way Perkins put his head down in disbelief and started shaking his head when Bryan was talking😂😂😂

[@heels4lifx]

Perkins has no room to talk with his garbage Lebron and MJ goat takes.

[@delljohnny]

Get Perkins off of first take. Shannon is the only reason why I watch first take now.

[@williamsc2429]

Hmm… Perks not lying… The NBA is like a Professional Church League!!! Perk might have some crazy takes but he got that right… That’s an easy 40 a night

[@PRODIGY-AND-HAVOC]

lololololol.."god bless him!"

[@PRODIGY-AND-HAVOC]

@@delljohnny dont watch then..easy peasy

[@famousxji1852]

AI was physical, durable, and had way too much energy to not be a dominant scoring in todays league. He could definitely average +33 ppg in todays NBA. He’s attacking you 100% with crazy speed, shiftiness, and ENERGY💯

[@danomaly8943]

They act like guys don’t average 30+ without shooting threes.

[@mrysl926]

@@danomaly8943yeah but he won’t win anything averaging 43ppg lol. Players who score like that don’t win championships. So he would be scoring 43 for nothing

[@user-uv3jp1tj5p]

Every minute he's in the Game too it seemed liked he never got tired he running the same speed all game long I know whoever had to guard him when he was on the 76 ers had to be like it's gonna be a long night I gotta chase this fool around all game trying to stop him he use to basically wear defenders out in his prime it got to a point where you thought watching him play that man besides Jordan this dude might be the next most unstoppable player ever hes unstoppable I don't care who is guarding him they cannot stop this man..

[@danomaly8943]

@@mrysl926 I agree but I say that about a few players now that put up a lot of numbers but don’t have a chance to win.

[@telmolicious]

Every great scorer COULD. Question is whether it would be a good idea.

[@KingMeli]

Windy about to fly away with all that blinking 😂😂😂

[@emekaamerican863]

Lol he looks like he's trying to stay woke

[@dee-5297]

YEAH RIGHT HE CANT SHOOT BETTER THAN STEPH , KYRIE HANDLES BETTER , BRUNSON MORE PHYSICAL...... GO TALK HOCKEY & BASEBALL CALL IT SOFT.......WHAT CAN AMERICAN WHTMEN AVG TODAY IF ITS SO SOFT 😂😂🤡

[@zulumon1932]

You see it too my guy. liar liar your pants on 🔥. 😂 🧐

[@BulletAgario]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@edwardpiss]

@@dee-5297Bro you just exposed yourself as a casual watcher. Thats embarrassing asf. 😂😂

[@nathancook1058]

Arguably one of the most underrated athletes ever. Could’ve went pro in football. The guy was a certified bucket with a big heart

[@SteelersNSalsa_deMex1co]

I’m a die hard Lakers fan born and raised in LA, but every time Allen “The Answer” Iverson played best believe I was watching. He wasn’t just an offensive phenom he played some great defense with a crazy instinct for getting steals!

[@ermannosorricchiodivalfort4905]

he got many steals yes, but he was by no means a 1on1 defender, not even a decent one

[@PetsNLuv]

Agreed!

[@jyc313]

Bro those were the days.

[@SteelersNSalsa_deMex1co]

Remember basketball has its positions, he strapped up all the opposing PG’s and that’s his job… it wasn’t to locked down a 6’6 Shooting Guard or 6’10 PF… cmon homie use your logic.

[@ermannosorricchiodivalfort4905]

@@SteelersNSalsa_deMex1co i can only assume you are referring to me, in any case no he did not lol, he strapped up his shoes on defense so to speak yes, he gave plenty of effort, but he wasn't locking down the likes of kidd or payton or billups or marbury or arenas or parker or nash

[@joker-kw2ek]

Brian need to said that for them to have an argument 😂

[@princecheck11]

thats gotta be the reason he still couldve said he’d avg 43 😭

[@Dru2037]

He said the truth

[@jetcrews97]

Brian had to be under the weather Cuzzz Iverson would AVG 43 in todays game

[@bighuncho5210]

@@Dru2037Iverson was like d rose and ja morant put together without the flashy dunks . Mj said it best. The nba is lucky Iverson ain’t 6’6

[@potheadbailey9952]

@@Dru2037u can tell u ain’t watch basketball or Allen iverson play

[@SinestroGreen]

Iverson played in a real men’s era

[@jetcrews97]

Iverson would be a headache in today’s league ✅🏀✅🏀🎧🎧 💯💯

[@dantefredul6326]

the era MJ ran from

[@tylerl3510]

​@dantefredul6326 ran from hahaha you don't know anything about basketball. Stop D ridin lebron

[@ericawsome4747]

Excuse me Jordan ran from no one he didn't run the man was 40 years old played for the Wizards already passed his Prime and already solidified himself as the greatest player to ever play the game by winning six championships in 13 Seasons also being the star for the Chicago Bulls in the best player in the world during his era and still today he's still the goat ​@dantefredul6326

[@purplestate]

A less skilled era

[@LuisRivera-tt2ub]

That man said “volume scoring is out” that’s insane to say

[@ermannosorricchiodivalfort4905]

'tis true tho, at least in the past couple years, only luka left with that high of a usage rate, among guards that is... i guess the james harden saga in houston proved you won't win with a ball hog at the helm

[@toveycen4668]

@@ermannosorricchiodivalfort4905😂😂😂😂😂 every team is a 3s volume shooter today with no defense. Without handcheck and with 3 sec Dfen rule. He doesn’t not need to be a volume shooter.

[@ermannosorricchiodivalfort4905]

@@toveycen4668 i believe ypu misunderstood, he was referring to individual volume scoring (folks like harden or luka), not a whole teams' 3pt attempts

[@arcellmcgowan1517]

Bucks had 3 offensive stars Ray Allen Big Dog and Sam Cassel. Philly had one AI and they beat us to go to the finals. He gets nothing but kudos from me🙌🏾

[@JamesTechJackin]

Bubba Chuck would give these young fellas crazy work.

[@Khamiooooo]

Crazy work!

[@OLONGAPOMATTAPAN-cj7sr]

JJ BUBBA WILL HAVE 2 PLAY DEFENSE.

[@countdrago03]

​​@@OLONGAPOMATTAPAN-cj7sr dude! chuck always plays defense you definitely only watched the highlights 🤣

[@OLONGAPOMATTAPAN-cj7sr]

HE PLAYED AGAINST INFERIOR TALENT KAIBIGAN, THESE PLAYERS R MORE TALENTED. ROSE / IRVING / LILLARD / ANTHONY EDWARDS / JA MORANT.

[@mikesmoot1090]

put up 42 was cake, in today system, yes 40 average but in attack mode 50 to 60 in today EASY !!!

[@beefpho]

Defense? Iverson did play defense! He led the league in steals 3 times. 14th overall in steals history.

[@user-nr6ul3pw3q]

That was more passing lane than lock down defender. I love AI but he was basically Steph on D but shorter.

[@tronwilliams8781]

AI himself said he couldn't play one on one D because he was too small and played passing lanes.

[@BrandonJones-wt1op]

Playing the passing lanes but Ai only 6ft bro he one of my favorites but he only 6tf bro

[@chrissancajr2841]

10steal playoff record

[@KnucklesWTD-uu3ps]

​@@tronwilliams8781thats more defense than Curry

[@roelmanucduc]

Don't ever let anyone who has never played any sports in their life be talking about stats and analytics, that is all the best resource they can tell you.

[@princellasmith7562]

KD not having those hecklers removed should be getting more coverage.

[@GS-mh6ub]

Exactly... forget the analytics. The eye test says that he could average whatever he put his mind to averaging.

[@bjrnthebootybandit]

That's not how sports work lol. "He'd average xyz because I like how his game looks" the analytics are there to stop the basic dumb takes like this so we actually have some sense

[@christopheredwards2516]

​@bjrnthebootybandit mentalities are different from this generation and that. Players back then played with respect for the game and passion these new guys are shallow.

[@Dmcq999]

@@christopheredwards2516fr too much money in it now to care as much, its sad to see talent with nothing driving it

[@greekfreak8473]

Steph Durant luka Embiid never averaged 43 in this era and ai thinks he could thats ridiculous

[@patrickosagie1928]

@@greekfreak8473steph is only ranked higher than AI because he has won more championships. AI vs luka, embiid, or even KD or Curry. Those current stars will lose every time because he could score like them but he is tougher, and more rugged than this stars of today

[@rome24k]

Not to mention he woulda been living at the free throw line.

[@robdawson5835]

This is what I'm saying 👏

[@benogotti2k972]

im talking about stright chilling at the line because these big man aint use to a lil heavy rocket who can MF JUUMP

[@PoohShimmy]

​@@benogotti2k972ja morant??

[@youwinlouw3815]

AI played more defense in his day than players do now

[@kreamkorn1577]

Lmao.....no he didn't.... AI was my favorite player during his era, but he wasn't a lockdown defender. He played passing lanes well though...

[@ermannosorricchiodivalfort4905]

he did and he wasn't a good defender, he put in some effort, which is what today's players won't even do

[@youwinlouw3815]

@@kreamkorn1577 exactly my point

[@Dayonetheone]

​@@kreamkorn1577He put way more effort than these dudes do.

[@waltermitchell2432]

He did not lol. And the rules favor the offensive player so hes be an even worst defender.

[@brucetumblinjr7980]

A.I. was fearless when he was playing

[@ericcarvelli9773]

Allen Iverson in his prime was the biggest headache to everyone in the nba, Kobe Bryant has said numerous times that he absolutely hated trying to guard Allen Iverson, in this soft era of the NBA now he would absolutely dominate, and the funny thing is he knows it 100%

[@THEREALLORDJ]

EVERY ERA IZ SOFT AND WOULD GET DOMINATED BY HIM!!!

[@luthfeeghazale6206]

Not just Iverson, i think Tracy McGrady could also average like 43+ in today's game

[@brendaarmstrong7944]

Michael would give this NBA 40 easy, so would Melo and Kobe. Marbury would drop 30pts 12 asst 9 boards

[@blaz2515]

Yeah i guess every superstar from older eras would average 40 in todays NBA makes sense when literally nobody has done that in todays NBA.

[@luthfeeghazale6206]

@@brendaarmstrong7944 wasnt melo played in this era? He ended his career in 2022

[@JonSnowsGhost]

When it comes to AI the stats don’t tell the whole story. He had to take so many shots because he was working with bums. And still he dragged a team full of plumbers to the NBA finals by himself against Prime Shaq and Kobe.

[@nathangerrard9792]

lol no because no half decent player wanted to play with somebody that takes al the shots i'm an Iverson fan but so much cap when people talk about him

[@StatikFresh4]

1,000%

[@yungnflashytv]

How old are yall? He had the best defense in the league for multiple years

[@user-uv3jp1tj5p]

Team full of plumbers 😂😂 if it wasn't for Shaq and Kobe on the same team Iverson would have a championship..cause he avg close to 40 in the finals against them..

[@kejreed6233]

AI definitely punched above his weight

[@BA22378]

He'd definitely be averaging 40 dude was a bucket, the nba is tailored made for guys like that now, he'd be getting to the line alot too, obviously great players in any Era will still be great, greatness is greatness and it cannot be denied

[@bjrnthebootybandit]

If KD ain't and Steph ain't and Lebron ain't then he deffo aint

[@AfroWasiu]

@@bjrnthebootybanditthey play differently from AI though. Also, back in the 2000s, the refs blackballed AI. When the gambling stuff from the refs came out, they admitted that they would only call 1 foul per 5 fouls on AI that they would’ve given any other player, because they hated AI. AI represented everything that they hated about people, and, in the words, they wanted to “punish” him. So he could’ve averaged even more back in his time

[@chrismateo9895]

Winshorst saying that AI would be a target defensively is hilarious 😂 at this day where defense does not exist? Haha

[@deshaunsherrill4184]

He meant when AI is on defense not defense on AI

[@dresantana7157]

@@deshaunsherrill4184 iverson was a crafty defender tho. He lead the league in steals a few times if I can remember

[@jonathansykes4986]

AI was an average defender at best. Steals =! Defense@@dresantana7157

[@jb6360]

So Iverson will be a target on defense, but Steph Curry is playing defense ??? Thats laughable to say Iverson can stand beside Curry like Curry has ever led the league in steals. Curry didn't lead a team of nobody's to the finals.. Curry had 2 defensive players and a 3rd at all times... Iggy, draymond, Thompson, in the beginning stephbdidnt even play in 4th qtrs because of defense.. it was Monte Ellis playing

[@waltermitchell2432]

​@@jb6360AI had dpoy and 6th man of the year when he went to the finals. Just because YOU dont know them dont mean they were nobodies. That team was built around AI strengths and hid his weaknesses

[@arkadiuszrogala1359]

“Forget the eye test, he shot better than the numbers say” -Perkins

[@analyticalinsight]

Perkins a clown

[@gglil6]

Not even what he said

[@joelgriffith1654]

​@@gglil6agreed

[@codybryant7026]

That’s the problem numbers only tell part of the story. Players know what’s up they don’t pay attention to percentages like that. Especially bc they know certain rules and schemes affect that

[@Full_Wave]

Iverson should have been in the 3 point contest because he shot at will with great form.

[@jakealbis954]

Perks reaction to Brian’s take has me crying .

[@gotit5219]

Steven A and Perkins is 💯💯 correct

[@TheLusianPopa]

Perkins facial reactions 🤣

[@vharris5503]

He only was a volume scorer because there were no other serious offensive threats on his team during his prime. You surround him with other threats, he gets easier shots, which increases efficiency. The game is wide open now and primarily Pick and roll, which means he gets easier shots.. which increases efficiency. He also would benefit from how smaller players get calls in today's game. Windy said he would be targeted on defense as tho the majority of the guards in the league are these defensive dynamos, he at least led the league in steals multiple times!! I can name several starting premier guards who aren't good at defense AT ALL. CMON MAN!

[@Darcel.Brown.]

The proof of what you’re saying is the fact that he shot 45, 35, and 80 with Nuggets and averaged 25 points a game.

[@vharris5503]

@Darcel.Brown. I always felt they didn't give that situation enough time, but that's cuz of George Karl smh

[@thegame7557]

He would then be forced to share the ball. No other star is willing to just stand there and watch him work. It is the issue with Doncic today. This guy thinks he would average twice what Steph averages

[@Darcel.Brown.]

@@thegame7557 this really depends on if you’re removing him from the situation he was in. If in this hypothetical scenario he’s with the team he had then his production increases, if you’re putting him on a better team his efficiency increases and production decreases.

[@thegame7557]

@@Darcel.Brown. Do you have an example of such a team today where he would average 43? I would guess he would want to be in a playoff team which narrows this for you. Now which team?

[@edwardkeeler]

Ai said, he was averaging 33 , with the fast phase game today it is safe give 2 more points evey quarter, and thats 41 fair enough

[@angelvilla3996]

Forget to mention it’d be two less minutes each quarter

[@chadwickchapman4100]

Meaning his usahe would only be higher lol ​@@angelvilla3996

[@waltermitchell2432]

How many shots did ai take when he put up 33? 27 a game. He was shooting -45% for his career. Ylu think a modern team is letting AI shot the ball 35 times a game?

[@edwardkeeler]

the truth is no one knows, this is all just sake of the conversation, but i believe he can whether he shoots badly or in a bad team,

[@almightypushhh385]

I don’t even watch basketball like that anymore

[@cheznathewarrior3759]

The legend who helped held the NBA afloat. Amen. I always say that.

[@Alex-kq1el]

AI was a fearless warrior with the heart of a lion. Most players today cry over spilled milk. Give AI his flowers

[@kvbvl7285]

AI had that dawg in him. He may of not attended "practice" as much as we would of liked him to, but when he stepped foot on that floor, he gave it 110% of all his efforts and as fans, that's all we can ask for💐

[@miatodd3236]

Preach! I really believe if he had helped he would've won a chip

[@jetcrews97]

My mannnn A.I🏀✅🏀✅🎧🎧

[@boochtron]

I would rather bash my head against a wall than watch AI play basketball

[@purplestate]

His fearlessness didn’t translate to alot of winning seasons.

[@motm369]

Bro. Prime AI during 2000-2007 was unstoppable!!! Maaan. He scorched VC raptors, Kobe/Shaq LA, Ohh man!

[@xJetx]

Wasn’t it till 09 cause that his last all star or smth or no

[@mansakhanlv8487]

09

[@amirmoheet9684]

Scorched the Lakers? In game one. 4-0 after. Internet logician.

[@dadillonful]

How? He went to one finals and never got close again

[@Cb_30]

Can we get 2k25 with A.I. on the cover and play some of his memorable games

[@poonamboodwa7989]

No 🙃

[@Cb_30]

@@poonamboodwa7989 and y not

[@visionsofpromise]

Its not that they don't want to play defense. It's that the rules are built for offenses to flourish today. No hand checking, guys are allowed to essentially travel due to the new zero step rule, etc.

[@judohunter1]

Nah some are also lazy on getting back to transition defense and it shows

[@ermannosorricchiodivalfort4905]

indeed, also they do not want to play defense lol... it is obvious, if i can play 15 years at 20 million a year why would i want to play 12 seasons for 20 million a year? the point being playing hard and playing defense and taking charges and challenging people at the rim takes a toll on your body, especially when it is guys like zion or davis or giannis who's chest checking you

[@amoremusic14]

Hand check wouldn’t work in the era everybody got handles including big men

[@ermannosorricchiodivalfort4905]

@@amoremusic14 define work, for sure we wouldn't see the average 10th seed going for 130 every night, for sure we wouldn't see scrubs averaging 25 on empty calories, i tell you that much

[@toveycen4668]

And 3sec defense rules basically kick big men out of the paint.

[@Jay.King23]

Iversons game was two fast for Windy blinks to see

[@VictorVonDoom.]

*too

[@BradleyLodge]

​@@VictorVonDoom.I noticed that 😂

[@4evahodlingdoge226]

Iverson faster than D.Rose, J.Wall, D.Foxx and Westbrook? Every guy i just listed is more athletic and bigger.

[@chrisdamon1096]

Yes he's faster and better than everyone you named

[@DB_1973]

@@4evahodlingdoge226 Iverson was more athletic than any of the guys you just mentioned.

[@AnthonyTaylorJr210]

Perk 😂 “My eyes tell me different” The bases of his whole argument

[@feral_dove]

Four box w/ sas on one side and windy/perk on the other with highlights in center is WIIIIILD!!! Sick production

[@2408spydah]

The spacing in todays game is huge compared to the 90s. Iverson fg % would be higher in todays game

[@TheHorrorFactory]

Thousandth comment! 💪 A.I. was the only AI we used to talk about when I was growing up. Bro was a beast!

[@karenmorgan8900]

Yessss indeed Iverson so small but he can get 50 points nowadays !! The crossover will loose them🙌🏾✊🏾🤲🏾#3

[@Therealstizz]

When Perk started laughing, I started cracking up 😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣

[@bjrnthebootybandit]

Perk argument "forget numbers and facts, my EYES say so"

[@JoshJ1997]

People must forget about iversons energy like they're were no breaks guarding him he was relentless and his stamina was crazy. Nobody attacks the basket in todays game like ai did his motor is what separated him. He would live at the line today with all the weak touch fouls they call. Iverson was faster than everyone and has the best first step of all time, and one of the all time best finishers. Idk about 43, but he would of dominated todays game.

[@DeadlyBeast205]

AI even had certain plays and freelances set up for him. Dude was a problem

[@semi6544]

The way KD handled that conversation with the rude fans is a form of leadership. Players can see how KD handled that situation and follow for a positive result. Leading by example is a viable way of leading. Not everyone is going to follow and not everyone likes the choice you made, but those who do will see a great template for how to operate in the future on and off the basketball court.

[@tito9560]

Huh?

[@DAllen81]

Great points Wendy and I’m a Iverson fan. You have to talk about both sides.

[@TuPhonez4Free]

That bro Perk went in! Let's go! 😂

[@eramsey1982eram]

And Windy says he only shot 31% from 3 not realizing it’s even easier to get open for 3s than it use to be so his percentage would’ve definitely been higher 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@thegame7557]

Do you think they were defending 3s at the time? Most teams just defended the paint

[@willdeandre9375]

It is so much harder to get open threes than it ever has been. Watch an old game, they don’t defend the threes at all

[@Istaytlkncrazy]

Has anyone ever been to an nba game? Literally 100 percent of the shots taken there’s a hand in their faces

[@alexandreb-h7423]

They just lie to make the older generation look better

[@setatsdetinu3704]

Perfect production. I wanna give a shot out to the production crew. Who does that ? Me tonight ! The editing was 1 of 1 nothing short of phenomenal perfect ending to what was a perfect set up and segment. Bravo Guys ...👌🏾

[@heatherjackson920]

I just love first take. It’s too good.

[@gongshowjimmy557]

A ton of children in these comments that were too young to understand prime AI's dominance.

[@Strongdadlifting]

No. You are delusional. AI wasn’t even efficient. Just stop😂

[@asoto718]

Facts! These kids dont know how soft basketball has gotten over the past 10 years.. no defense at all. Even jordan would have scored close to 40 a game in todays game!

[@nb346]

​@@Strongdadliftingdefense focus on allen iverson during hand checking era. Why double team a player if he is inefficient?

[@shaheemtaylor960]

@@StrongdadliftingA.I was a beast. Scoring machine with nasty handles. There is a reason why he’s on the 75 all NBA team.

[@Strongdadlifting]

@@nb346 because he was the only one shooting 😂 Man played individual hero ball. Why wouldn’t you double team. Horrible era of basketball.

[@SILMANTV]

As an AI fan this is what I be talking about when it comes to him and Kobe all logic goes out the window and so many feelings come into play.. Windy was absolutely right pointing out ALL aspects of basketball and not just highlighting the fond memories AI would probably average 35-38 on 39% from the field and 25 attempts and get cooked on defense high volume scorer for sure he was dope for what he was and gave us great memories but the glazing is ridiculous he stirs up so much emotion because of how he made us feel and once again SAS and perk are in touchy feely mode this is where Max balanced the show out and won a lot of arguments

[@sabarasts]

💯 facts AI knows the league is soft right now, he was averaging 30pts a game back in the days, right now you can’t even touch the offensive player

[@Trap323a]

Facts!!! And he started shooting 3s more than a lot of other guards too 🤨

[@jermaine9411]

Love AI too two fav players him and Bron but AI not averaging 43

[@soda8736]

Perk and Stephen just caught in their feelings and nostalgia, you can look at this argument and see why owners might favor "analytics" guy over "eye test" guys

[@danomaly8943]

6:00 Wimby bring up 31% on threes as if todays top scorers like Harden and Paul George shoot much better. Luka is a volume scorer…Jimmy Butler is a low percentage 3pt scorer. Yes we have guys that are snipers but dudes try and make it seem like everyone is shooting better and they’re not. They are just shooting MORE. AI would shoot more threes in today’s game. Giannis, KD and Embid don’t rely on 3s and average 30. Ja Morant gets off and he doesn’t rely on 3s…why do they let a guy as big as Perk but never played give these takes

[@gmailgmail6234]

They do shoot much better

[@Steps.To.Sucess]

Ai would be a ja Morant does he average 43 points

[@laketones2000]

OMG First time in my life i totally agree with Perk. :)

[@tommysanchez3364]

You can't just forget the numbers and Analytics perk. He's not averaging 43 but id say 35 possibly, Which is nothing short of AMAZING

[@jaystacks5249]

How is iverson gonna avg 40plus when steph or nobody today does??? Love iverson but those older heads need to stop the cap.

[@toveycen4668]

1 extra foul a quarter.

[@alexanderadonyae7937]

Iverson would definitely average over 40ppg in this era 🔥 Iverson in his prime was unstoppable

[@kvbvl7285]

AI has multiple scoring titles in one of the hardest era's. His play style was also very aggressive, he never stopped going at the basket, played many minutes and was sometimes a ball hog😅. This dude would defo average 40+..

[@truth459]

Facts

[@pumelelabanca1442]

Sometimes? Nope. He was a ball hog.

[@jeremyfaison6406]

Perk faces be having me weak when he disagree with something😂😂

[@deandrebrown4521]

Dude played 40+ minutes a game, is an entire offense, no hand checking, he would LIVE at the free throw line, and teams are scoring 120 pts a game and playing a faster pace. If anyone can do it, it’s him

[@jameswilliams3310]

WINDY is so scary sometimes lol ..... Iverson would average 45 in today's game!!!! And he wouldn't be shooting a bunch of 3s!!!

[@rickpersaud7016]

Let me get this the greatest shooter in history can't average more than 32, but someone that jacked up 26 shots to average 30. Would average 43. Delusional on another level.

[@fromdeathtolife1993]

3s are so over rated...

[@rickpersaud7016]

@@fromdeathtolife1993 the jailball era is what you call overated.

[@rickpersaud7016]

@Cannoli_kuku so that is not saying much. If any superstar now can average over 40 points, all they need is to jack more shots up, so what is so nice about that???

[@fromdeathtolife1993]

@@rickpersaud7016 that is this Era hot trash..

[@IAMCOREYCASH]

He would score 43 sometimes. Y’all crazy thinking someone can average 43 today

[@laketones2000]

That's just my opinion. Kobe, Iverson, Jordan, Wilt, Shaq, all of them would average around 40 today.

[@IAMCOREYCASH]

@@laketones2000do you know how much of a ball hog you have to be to average 40? Do you know how many shots attempts you have to average to average 40+. Y’all gotta use y’all brain.

[@laketones2000]

@@IAMCOREYCASH My record in official game (40 minutes) is 34 and i almost died, i was so tired after that game. But im at most 5% of Iverson, so yes i can imagine he would do that.

[@3igSoulja]

“Windy . God bless” 😂😂😂😂

[@x-asharchangel-xii1500]

7:26 Stephen A Doubled Down On The *Sassy* with the *And Doesn't Do It* he just forgot to say *Boo Boo* 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JDigg99]

Lol at Windhorst and the defensive liability comment 😒. As if Steph and Dame aren't all-stars

[@SamuelJ888]

@Cannoli_kuku cuz he played in an era where defense was easier to play. cant have it both ways

[@Cahluvca]

🎯

[@dirtyr1937]

Heck yeah perk !!!!!!!! My eyes 👀 tell me different also !!

[@ryankellz]

What new age people don't fully understand is that since the game was different back then , so was preparation.. therefore Allen Overson would average a higher 3pt % but it would have been influenced more in scheme, practice, etc..

[@user-vk1yx5tz7l]

Most exciting athlete of all time period ! Coming from a Canadian!

[@Jdior620]

Thank you Stephen A and perk for bringing this topic back up !!!! Tim ledger and Windy were bugging out 😮the other day covering this topic….AI average 30 5 times!!! And one of those seasons average 33 when the NBA defense was more physical,less positions and ppl shot less 3 pointers! Come on

[@thegame7557]

Taking that many shots would only be possible if playing in a lowly nonplayoff team. Point out a team he would come in and take that many shots...

[@Jdior620]

@@thegame7557 averaging 43 on a non playoff team is still averaging 43 in the nba

[@eric02156]

Winhorst gonna get Cooked on this bad Take.. Tons of NBA players & vets are tearing him up on this one! Even PERK was shaking his head on this one ...😂😂😂😂😂

[@maDMan0894]

A.I 43 😂 couldnt believe it Brian right sometimes even we may know he can guess Brian went crazy on Perk last words😂

[@yuniorreyes.130]

His game is tailor made for PGs of this era. Maybe not a crazy number like 43 but he’s def averaging a bit more than what he used to.

[@kannduce1529]

Always gonna be someone to argue against the Sky being blue😂

[@2464tejas]

People forget one big thing. The ability of a player to find answers to the challenges and overcome them. AI had his fair share of challenges back then and he overcame them as a player. He could do the same in this era to the challenges which Bryan mentioned. He was special and special players always shine.

[@JKG_Brandon]

I cannot believe I agree with Perk on somethin... Windhorst made the exact argument for AI avg 43... Free Throws. Dude lived at the line, imagine him getting just half of the ticky tack fouls guys do today. I say 43 is low ballin it. AI might avg 50+ today, just due to the extra fouls, not even counting spacing. And no way he'd ever let anyone take him out unless they were up 40 or he was injured.

[@Mkephillway]

Man ai with 2-4 3pt shooters out there with him on an island it a be crazy to see. He averaging 40 .

[@almightypushhh385]

People don’t realize in the 2000’s nobody really cared about percentages like that😂 that was the hoop mixtape era, the swag era, we was tryna take ankles and make highlights😂. Not no percentages this percentages that, (how effective are u on this many shots bs). It was hooping with flow and style

[@soda8736]

So they were missing shots in purpose. Ok

[@almightypushhh385]

@@soda8736 bro what? Think of Kyrie, (the guy who makes things tougher on himself with unnecessary moves). The whole league was on that type time

[@orangejuice20133]

So you played for highlights more than wins at the time?

[@almightypushhh385]

@@orangejuice20133 yea kinda

[@almightypushhh385]

@@orangejuice20133 obviously you wanted to win. But you wanted to win AND have some style to it

[@soda8736]

Everyone has different eyes. And people who say eye test, only remember the great plays, the analytics give you a more well rounded view

[@rafealwhite731]

Thank you

[@homeraleguis3124]

Oh that last part by Perk telling Windy what his eyes said is satisfying.

[@Diego-fy6qz]

It's a terrible argument though. Facts will always beat feelings

[@soda8736]

Everyone has different eyes. And people who say eye test, only remember the great plays, the analytics give you a more well rounded view

[@Alex-wz9ze]

@@soda8736 nerd you’re wrong but let’s do it your way anyway. Let’s talk numbers then nerd, when AI averaged 33ppg the league average was 97, today it’s 115, the average pace was 90, now it’s 99, now lets talk ball, there’s more space and they play less aggressive defense. You get it now? Bums.

[@Alex-wz9ze]

@@Diego-fy6qzshut it. Learn ball kid

[@Diego-fy6qz]

@@Alex-wz9ze someone's mad 😂😂

[@damiant.mccalman8123]

Windy said, "they wouldn't let him play 41 minutes per game", who are they? These dudes aren't playing 40+ minutes a game because they don't want to play 40+ minutes a game and if some team rep can control minutes that just shows the softness of the team.

[@phitlife_tx]

I'm w perk the facial expressions

[@eros727]

Windy’s “counter argument “ that Iverson “also got to the foul line a lot “ actually works against him. Dude was 10+ ft a game back then , imagine now.

[@jrev8089]

Guys like AI, Kobe, even Michael, are some of my favorites, but they couldn’t win today taking tons of difficult 2 point shots. They would have to adjust their game to become better facilitators and more efficient. Teams would put 3 point snipers all around them so you can’t double/triple team

[@Foxhound323]

AI miss so many shots but he was hustling and playing hard with long minutes. I miss the good days

[@Nyualum21]

Perk really said numbers don’t matter while tryna argue that a dude would average a specific number……

[@soda8736]

Sports is numbers, thats why we keep score. Perk just mad other dude was smarter.

[@rulerjayohenn3161]

When the hand checking stopped AI or nobody elses average went up

[@Achillez_Heal]

Reply by that time he was with the nuggets with melo. He didnt have to score as much

[@pauljoseph3081]

KD's not averaging 40 in this era. It's a different game, KD's the most efficient scorer ever. Those handchecks will be offset by the phasing. Kobe also played the new era of offense, he didn't averaged 43 either!

[@user-vu7hg1sq4y]

70s title winners. / Lakers, Bucks, Celtics, Warriors, Bullets, Blazer's, Sonic's, Knicks. 8 Different teams winning title is awesome

[@DukesVerrill]

I don't know about 43 but I could see in the 34-37 range-

[@travisr1712]

What else can you see? Can you predict the lotto numbers for me?

[@lorenzocordova-ue8cv]

You got to rethink your statement.... AI WOULD AVERAGE 43 For sure. If you cant put a hand on this man or have a big man meet him in the paint, it's lights out!

[@DukesVerrill]

@@lorenzocordova-ue8cv I don't have to rethink anything. No one in the NBA is averaging 43. Name 1 person who is a superstar that is, even with FTs.

[@lorenzocordova-ue8cv]

AI was averaging 26.7 with hand checking and when the game was more physical..... You give a guy with his skill set and you cant touch him or play defense hes gonna average 40 and up.in today's game big men cant stay in the key like they used to.... You would know this if you paid attention to the defensive schemes in the 90's vs today, which is trash... The NBA you are watching now is designed to have a high scoring game which caters to the fan's liking -more scoring....i see better defense played during a pick up game!

[@dantemackey7471]

Take a drink every time Brian Winhorst double blinks

[@sl-te2xh]

😂😂😂

[@Supaaaa]

Perkins @ 5mins in 😂

[@user-fg5yt7ct6x]

Perk had me dying 😅

[@Fitzgeral89]

Absolutely, ai wasn’t shooting a lot of 3s and getting to the hole

[@kocelwwk]

My eyes tell me the same. Lil guy gad so much heart that he dominated in big boys league. In this era with soft defense he would average whatever he wanted. Dude was averaging 30pts per game in 2000’s

[@Ktrlfrk]

I remember picking up the paper just to check his numbers for the night before only to find he scored over 40 for like a month.