Narrated D&D Story: Why No DnD Is Better Than Bad DnD

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

Hey guys, this was my story. AMA!

[@rotciv557]

Any idea what happened to Gus, afterwards?

[@Normaschthewanderer]

Did you ever hear from this dm again?

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

No, I never heard from either of them again

[@Demonbasher13]

@@_malprivate2543 I don't recall he whined about the DM's lack of experience, more like pointed it out. The story matters little if the players aren't invested in it. And it is normally impossible for any martial based character to know magic at first level, unless granted by a feat from variant human or racial magic. That said, the problem player was a bully who took advantage of the DM's lack of experience and timid behavior, making himself the spotlight character while everyone else was merely a sidekick to be pushed around when need be.

[@canadianthatgames468]

@@_malprivate2543 Did you not listen? Only 2 of the 4 characters got to describe their characters and from the sound of it the Half-Orc Barbarian was just charging along. If you and another player didn't get the chance to introduce yourself would you still be pumped to get the plot moving? Also in what case would a Half-Orc Barbarian have the Magic Initiate feat at level 1?

[@Flasa]

The fact that OP’s tiefling looks like Jubilee and Gus' shirt is Rocko's shirt from Rocko's Modern Life grants this story a greater level of 90's nostalgia and brings a smile to my face.

[@cjdd8184]

I wanted all of them to be super 90s vibes out. Really pleased with this one

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

Missed an opportunity to make the problem character look like Roger Klotz.

[@cjdd8184]

@@SaltpeterTaffy lol I thought about it but I went with more of a 90s bully fashion homage. Needed that rat tail hair

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

Hi. OP here. This is canonically how Jubilee looks now. A little brighter Pink, but otherwise exactly how he looks.

[@craigtucker1290]

@@apetnamedsteve4411 Still a bard and basically the same? Did you find another group more to your liking?

[@dragontrainerzero]

This problem player would not have lasted 10 seconds in one of my games. I would have pulled him aside, given him a total of one warning, and then booted him. There is a Zero Tolerance Policy at my tables for disrespect, lying, and cheating.

[@EtnaBoy666]

@@griffinimbier-maher9764 I'd say the DM should boot him and send him back to whank on Call of Duty, but that would be an insult to the CoD creators: It's not their fault that their community is toxic. X(

[@Ishtarru]

As there should be at any table with a good DM.

[@Joyrin7337]

That understandable, frankly I would have brought in a op npc/ monster and killed the character but your may actually be a better idea in the future.

[@williamfalls]

"Sir, you have a warning." *disconnect from Discord noises*

[@dragontrainerzero]

@@williamfalls pretty much. I don't put up with that nonsense.

[@lorien6205]

I've seen people get booted from games for much less than this. I'm almost impressed by this DM's mindset of just letting anything go.

[@SquatBenchDeadlift455]

DM seemed to have been too new to stand up to them. Call them out and ask them to explain how they have certain abilities, make certain rolls, etc. Give them a moment to sweat and trip over some crap explanation. If they're apologetic, or it seems like a genuine error, then hold up a blank character sheet and give them a chance to build a new character from scratch, with the group present - or leave. And if not then kick them out.

[@Diresilence]

I see the pic, is like "Huh, that looks familiar." *Jubilee* "Heh, well played."

[@patriousthefallenknight3185]

i miss sock'em boppers

[@zerojack0]

that shirt reminds me of Rocko from Rocko's Modern Life

[@JamieStagg]

@@zerojack0 it's like if rocko and brock Samson from venture bros had a wierd cartoon baby 😅

[@davidjohnson6665]

Yeah, getting permission from the DM before rolling is pretty important. My current DM is having us do a side campaign, and we got a player that’s new to D&D but understands enough to be an effective Wild Magic Sorcerer. In the fourth or fifth session, we were having some much needed goof off/relaxation time in a town because the side campaign thus far heavy survival and heavy combat (the benefits being we can level up quickly the longer we can last). The new player found himself getting carried away and began rolling ability checks without asking the DM. Our DM stopped the session for a minute and told the new players that he was fine with the checks he had made thus far but that the new player needed to ask before rolling in the future. Since then, it has been smooth sailing.

[@masterreaper115]

Ive had more times than I would like to admit where ive asked, and been denied solely because dm's want to railroad a decision or course of action for us. Its unfortunately left a really bad taste for most dnd for me

[@Zarkonem]

I read the title "No DND is better than bad DND" thinking it was saying that there is nothing better than bad DND, and i was like, ok, what sort of wild, off the rails shenanigans did you party get into? Didn't realize till the end that it was actually saying that not playing DND at all was better than bad DND.

[@FoxAFloat]

My phone is small so I just read no dnd is better

[@bigmoe9856]

It's hilariously the opposite for me. I thought that's what the saying meant for months. NOW I get it after reading the title.

[@martynicholls5689]

This is one of the guys you just look at the character sheet for and turn away from the table. 2 extra feats, above possible strength, using abilities he doesn't have. This guy needs to get called out on all of this.

[@benry007]

Yes, I tend to know my characters stuff better then they do and make sure to call them on any bullshit.

[@sarsapong]

The worst part of this ???? DM don’t really care

[@Mephiston]

@@sarsapong It might have been more of a case that the DM didn't really know any better. They did say the DM was a first time DM.

[@OmegaPrime1]

Agreed. I had recently participated in a one-shot and we had a wizard who could do 11 dmg with melee attack 😑😑😑. No, wizards don't do that much melee damage. Suffice to say, he didn't last long in the party/campaign. In fact the entire one-shot is no more. /shrug

[@Rebelcommander6]

I was part of a text adventure for 1 session. The first thing that happened was a Monk tried to Intimidate me to acknowledge them as "In charge" and when I didn't fall in line they spent the rest of the session calling me a Bitch (I was playing my Female Elven Forge Cleric) Finally she tried to attack me when I stepped between her and an NPC she was assaulting for more gold. Everyone tried to tell me "Thats just her RPing" before I left the server.

[@craigtucker1290]

Sounds like a someone that is just a bully and a terrible player, probably a wise choice on your part to leave.

[@sarahreynolds1958]

Digimon RPG: this was a massive big, multigroup, multi GM discord server game in Play by Post format. We were flying across the ocean on a raft made from summoned wood planks, which have the ability to fly. We're cruising at a pretty significant height, I don't remember exactly what it was, but with the way ranged attacks worked in that game, there was no chance that anything we should have been up against would have been able to hit us. GM decides that we get hit with a line attack. No opposing roll (you roll to dodge in this system) massive damage, completely ignoring the way the summoned objects are supposed to interact with AOE attacks, ignoring the impossible range, and when asked how it was able to do that, we were told "I'm the GM, and I said so." We should have left then... but there were other GMs we could work with, so we stuck around, hoping one of them would be better. It wasn't. Later on, we were exploring what was basically Toy Town. Intending to meet up with another player. We got to a clearing, and planned to interfere with a battle that was going on. But, when we said we needed to wait for the next day due to working in the morning, the GM decided to let the other guy continue, he proceeded to take 4 separate combat actions (you get 2 per round) while we were gone, and before initiative was rolled. He ended up causing a chain reaction explosion that went through all of the enemy summoned minions, causing them to also explode, and knocked every one of our characters out. Then we decided to say fuck it, and left.

[@michaelpetersen25]

I actually did have a barbarian with spells at level 2. He was a human tribesman, the son of the shaman and meant to take her place when she died. He skipped on his shaman training however and joined the tribe's raids instead. After his mom had a near death experience, he realized he needed to get his shaman training in gear, so he went on a pilgrimage to become a druid. He had Magic Initiate for Produce Flame (Because it doesn't need concentration during rage), guidance and animal friendship. Mostly things he could not realize he was doing.

[@maineiac114]

That's the importance of backstory. How many my parents were killed by (X), that's it. Not who they were raised by afterwards, how they came by their training, no other relatives, no friends, no enemies they just have no history. On the other hand I had a Paladin that had failed out of becoming a Rogue because he wouldn't back stab but got most of the other training. He learned Thieves Cant, Stealth, Hiding, Open Lock and Disarm Trap he could also do a decent sleight of hand where he would give people money.

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

This is fair. Ill admit I was wrong in that blanket statement. That being said, this particular backstory had clearly been powergamed, which is hugely different from yours.

[@michaelpetersen25]

@@apetnamedsteve4411 I didn't take offense or anything. I absolutely loved my barbarian. Partially because of the flavor of him casting Produce Flame before raging so his arm catches on fire for the whole fight.

[@tobylegion6913]

Also, I assume Magic Initiate as a feat for human race? That is 100% by the books. Minor things that fit the backstory - fine. But not random Stuff which hasn't recieved the ok from the DM, like in this story.

[@michaelpetersen25]

@@tobylegion6913 Variant Human just for it.

[@Rutanachan]

As someone who just walked out mid session of a game under a DM I played with over a year.... yeah... sometimes the best choice is to leave.

[@craigtucker1290]

If it isn't too personal to ask, what happened?

[@JimmyBonez]

Jubilee from the 90's X-Men cartoon. Nice.

[@melsky]

I've only been in one game of D&D so far. It was an all female party and my friend's boyfriend was the DM. The only person I didn't know was a friend of the DM, and she didn't want to use the dice roller online and she didn't have a webcam, so she wanted to send us photos of how the dice had landed! And when the session starts a mysterious boy shows up, and she decides to stab him right away. The first session was the last session.

[@TaliusValius]

the thumbnail is the best part of this

[@cjdd8184]

Thanks! I had a lot of fun with this one

[@timwoods2852]

That "dice in one hand, hope in the other," line was spot on!

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Oooh i adore hideous laughter! It was my favorite spell as a wizard! Yhe first time I used it was on a goblin chieftan, he rolled a nat one on his constitution while I believe my roll was close to maxed, he essentially laughed to hard his lungs popped and he died! when you have a good DM its always funny to see them playing a character out affected by the spell to...OH HEVk I already said this story didn’t I?! I think I might be out of tales pffft! I need to find a new campaign. YIRBEL LIVES!

[@martynicholls5689]

That is a loveable story, but having a non-damaging spell insta kill someone is really far out there.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@martynicholls5689 pfft! Perhaps it is, it was a pretty low level enemy anyway So i think some leeway was giving. I wasn’t even trying to kill him!

[@byronsmothers8064]

Buff human Rocco protects tiefling Jubilee from random orc

[@allthingsdnd]

Repeat after me, NO DND IS BETTER THAN BAD DND!

[@maxweston3104]

Bad DnD is better than no DnD, did I say it right?

[@pebbles3609]

@@maxweston3104 yep, A+

[@articusramos808]

@@maxweston3104 close

[@Hidden-Brush-org]

Soooo.....wanna join my dnd campaign?

[@craigtucker1290]

I am not sure this OP agrees...

[@ligh7foo7]

thankyou for this story, I played with 2 groups, each started out fine until both times a murderhobo problem player joined the group and the DM refused to do anything. Btw I am not the only player that left both groups. I decided no DND is better then bad DND. Your ending has given me encouragement to find a new group.

[@bradwolf07]

I misunderstood the title...I thought it was a story about why badly done dnd was the best and was curious about why someone had that opinion. Now I understand and I agree with what the OP was really saying

[@jordanwhite8718]

Honestly it’s because of people like this why I’ve learned to never try to address problem players. You just get rid of them. I just had a game where my entire group left because of me trying to address a problem player. The guy just decided to leave and threw a big stink which made the rest of the group not want to deal with infighting anymore. This is why I will probably just kick people who become a problem and then tell the group they decided to leave on their own accord for a bland reason. It just leads to less problems and I might actually get to keep a group that way.

[@Piqipeg]

Except that's kind of disingenuous, tell the players exactly why you kick a player. Otherwise they might ask the kicked player to come back and they'll tell them they got kicked and you will look more like the bad guy than the problem player.

[@jordanwhite8718]

@@Piqipeg it may be disingenuous but if I did tell them why I kicked another player they might then say that they would’ve wanted to talk to him first. They would then probably get angry at me for not trying to address it with them. Which would get back into the previous problem of having a confrontation where everyone will have a bad taste in their mouth. I’m not saying my strategy is perfect. But it seems as though playing above board gets you punished whereas just quietly kicking someone won’t get you punished.

[@Piqipeg]

@@jordanwhite8718 then do that, discuss with the other players first how they feel about kicking a player, and at that time express your feelings about not wanting to DM for said player. You are supposed ro have fun as well, and if your players can't accept that, then you need a new group anyway or you'll suffer, which will lead to the game suffering. Which will lead to the players not having fun and leave anyway. Be honest with your players, they need to know they can trust your judgment.

[@jordanwhite8718]

I actually did that for my last group. I wasn’t planning on kicking this player but I wanted him to know that his behavior was causing other people to be stressed out. He would often complain about the group strategy and would complain about encounters being too difficult. Despite the fact that the group always got through them perfectly fine. At one point when the druid was worried about how he was role-playing his barred because he was being very aggressive. He started being snarky and telling the druid to just be the face of the party then. That’s when I confronted him about his behavior. I figured it would be a good idea to confront him right after he did some thing that stresses people out. Instead of acknowledging the problem like an adult he decided to leave the discord chat and a huff. A few days later two other players in the group decided to leave because they didn’t like the stressful situation last session. I’ve seen this exact pattern occur not just in my games but in other games that I was a player in. Whenever the group decides to confront a problem player it just leads to more drama which leads to more people leaving the group then if you just kick the problem player quietly. I know that people like to assume the best in other people, but in my experience most people are far less mature than we’d like to think. Most people don’t have the basic problem-solving skills needed to deal with complex social situation’s. Unfortunately Dungeons & Dragons tends to attract those type of people for some reason.

[@Piqipeg]

@@jordanwhite8718 hate to say it, but it's probably because you acted too late, and the other players picked up on that. You wait until the problem becomes too big to ignore before acting, and that causes mistrust among your players as they look up to you for guidance as the DM. And if they feel like you can't be trusted to deal with problems until the game becomes not fun, the next time a player acts up they know they have to suffer along until you get yourself together to do something. I'm not putting all the blame on you though, your players should have spoken up too, to you, with the problem player. Next group you DM for, do a session 0 where you lay out your rules and what conduct the players are expected to follow, if they are ok with those then game on, if not send them packing right there and then to disturb someone else's game.

[@beautyamber12]

I once actually left a group cause the Dm made me redo my backstory not once, but 5 times. Always saying how I “didn’t read the rules, I couldn’t be from somewhere else then this continent they were on (even though My Warlock wasn’t anywhere in character from this place she was going too...) and how I was disobeying them. After I changed it AGAIN, the guy who was working on there coding system (Oh, forget to mention this was A Dnd discord group) he took one look at my sheet, Said “there is absolutely nothing wrong with her sheet at all.” Approved it right then and there, And made everyone else stare at the guy like he had lost his marbles. Yeah, apparently they didn’t like me cause I didn’t want my character to be from that continent and actually wanted to have some backstory that wasn’t cut and dry like the rest of them, shocker!

[@evangrescol7772]

No way!

[@beautyamber12]

@@griffinimbier-maher9764 i meeean, Not as crazy as the other group I was on that Literrally DIDNT allow you to play certain Races/Backgrounds/ Feats/ Subclasses unless you could rp like a freaking god! They rated your Rp “literature” on a scaling system of 1 Star to 5 stars. If your Star was too low, you could play certain things until you got it raised up by “Being a Bette Roleplayer cause you didn’t know how to properly represent the class that well of your a 2 star compared to a 5 star.” Me and my friend still laugh about that group.

[@Mephiston]

That DM sounds like maybe they wanted just easy plot hooks the players can be invested in, and was too unimaginative to be able to handle anything outside their small world. Basically, a bad DM with good intentions.

[@tobylegion6913]

@@Mephiston well, he could just ask why the caracter has left or has come to this place, or if anything happened on the way. Or simply 'give me some knives that I can hook to this region'.

[@bigmoe9856]

...oh wow. I heard the term (the title) before, but only now after reading it do I actually get it.

[@DrPluton]

Why in the world would the OP apologize to the DM for leaving? She was far too passive to make for a good referee of player actions.

[@Badartist888]

Sometimes you have to be the better person.

[@Mephiston]

@@Badartist888 not enough of that going on the world, and I applaud the OP for not burning bridges and being a decent human being about it

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

I could see the work she had put into the game, even if she had several things to work out when it comes to her DMing style. All that being said, I was determined to be polite. I was not going to sink down to the Problem Player's level.

[@KagemaruHitokiri]

He *did* kind of leave her to deal with a murderhobo player who would ruin the session for anyone else who joined. Sure, that not his fault, but it still feels bad.

[@Starwarsdude8221991]

I am happy they just left, sometimes people would put up with to much

[@masterreaper115]

Im happy they also were mature enough to not cause some huge scene. Just politely left the game.

[@NessaEllenesse]

If a player in my game inniates PVP over a handshake. "Um no you dont. Before your blow hits your charater is dropped by a blue bolt from the heavens. You are now at -1 HP and stable."

[@bethkrager6529]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau except the problem player doesn't think to begin with. You honestly think they have the brain power to think past "I want"?

[@totoru4ever]

That's an even childish way to handle it than doing nothing.

[@clericofchaos1]

Sounds more like the dm's fault the min-maxers. He seemed to be giving this dude everything he wanted and should have declared no pvp if he didn't want to have to deal with it.

[@j.d.3597]

She. The DMs pronouns are She/Her according to the story. I've met aggressive players like described, and when it's in a game shop (or board game cafe, etc) it makes it even more difficult to put those players in their place.

[@Tasfarel]

The op mentioned that the gm was a newbee. Maybe she was intimidated because it was her first game and the problem player posed as a veteran

[@craigtucker1290]

@@Tasfarel Probably, it is common with new DMs that can let some strong-willed players run rampant in their game. It is unfortunate that the player that left could not be swapped for the problem player.

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

The DM never looked at anyone's character sheet except mine, and that was because I had gotten there before she had. Once she opened up her notes, her presence as a DM was pretty much gone.

[@craigtucker1290]

@@apetnamedsteve4411 That is really unfortunate. Did you find another group/game?

[@Zarnirox]

Wow, this really is 90s themed, even down to the irredeemable bully archetype.

[@joshk3273]

On one occasion we offed a problem player's character after about 10 minutes into the game. He thought it's a good idea to try and steal from us, while in a conversation with us, in the middle of the street, at broad daylight. In a town ruled by a gang of pirates... He had a level 1 wizard. With 4 Hp (3.5e). We had a crossbow and a warpick in hand. He suffered 9 points of damage. The player started cussing and cursing. We ended up cutting the wizard's throat, greenlit by the "town guards", who witnessed the whole ordeal and would've done the same.

[@feralbunnydonut8495]

This isnt my story it’s my dads but when he was in the military while deployed they sometimes played D&D to pass time when around the base my dad rolled up a warlock (he’s always been into heavy metal demons and shit so it just kinda fit) another member of the platoon, a medic rolled up a cleric and one night while they camped rolled to kill my dads player and got a Nat 20 DM allowed it and instead of just rolling another warlock my dad decided to just say fuck the game and hasn’t played it since.

[@evangrescol7772]

That's shitty. You check with your players to make sure they're ok with pvp before that.

[@Bdub323]

It's sad he hasn't tried to play again. Maybe you could start a family game and get him interested?

[@craigtucker1290]

That can be the unfortunate consequence of playing certain character types as some choices can be quite objectionable to other players and it is a communal game at its core. I have never played in a game where player vs. player wasn't allowed and have seen many players killing each other without it really having any significant consequence of the game and no one ever quit because of it. Hopefully your father will try again with another group that might be more accepting of the character he wants to play.

[@craigtucker1290]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau No, because it is not the DM's function to act as nursemaid or mollycoddle their players. By interfering, the DM is removing the player agency from the game. Inter-party issues are the problems of the players, not the DM, and it is up to the players to come to a decision. The DM should only get involved if the actions actually would warrant a response from the NPCs, like fighting in town that brings in the town guards. The DM controls the NPCs and monster, not the PCs. It is also a strawman argument to say that player vs. player ruins the game because I have experienced these events and it has yet to ruin a game. Remember, D&D is about the player's story, not the DM's. When you let the party solve the problem, not that this group seemed all that willing to do, it brings the group together and forms a consensus of what kinds of behaviour is going to be acceptable and what is not. It just depends on what kind of game you really want to play in. Do you want to play in a game where the DM mollycoddles their players and makes sure everyone plays nice together to the point of magically preventing in party fighting or magically removing certain party members? Or do you want a game where the players are fully in control of their actions and the consequences of those actions? I prefer the latter.

[@craigtucker1290]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau Where did you claim anything like what exactly? Like this: "shouldn't DM tell which kind of characters are allowed and make sure that that kind of situations don't happen? But if it still happens, shouldn't every player who has "my character hates other character so much that wants to kill" tell both to DM and player of "problem character" that their character has problems with another character and ask how they are going to fix situation?" The answer is still no, but I don't think you are able to differentiate between an issue between players and issue between their characters which tends to be all clumped together as player vs. player and are different issues. Problems between players (which includes the DM) are problems for everyone and tend not to be fun but problems between characters are just part of the game and all of the characters story. There is a difference between making the game a safe place for the players, which is the function of every mature player at the table (which includes the DM), and making the game a safe place for characters which is not part of the game, nor is it the DM's function to do so. I don't think you understand this difference, nor can most immature players that take in game actions as personal slights against them. If you are this type of player, you need to work on your maturity because you are only playing a game, a game your character can die in. What does it matter if your character is killed by the DM controlling a character (NPC) or a player controlling a character (PC)? Your character is still dead... If the DM interferes with player character decisions, how can the DM ever be trusted not be mollycoddling the players by allowing or disallowing only certain approved in game actions? Like telling a player their character cannot do that because their character is good and that is an evil action. -NEWS FLASH- their character can do whatever they want which is why there are in game consequences to actions and alignments can and do change in game based on those actions chosen by the player for their character. A DM can only legitimately directly interfere in a player character's actions only if there is an actual valid reason for doing so, such as the character been under the influence of a spell. The DM can set limits, typically referred to the ban list, of what is not going to be allowed in their games from a material point of view but should never do so from a character's available action's point of view. A DM cannot dictate that a player not play or create what the DM perceives as an under-powered or useless character if it is within the available choices, nor can they force a player to optimize their character or progress their character in a certain way. The DM can only make suggestions, not dictate how characters are made from approved sources, force said characters to work together, or prevent those very same characters from performing certain actions. Once the campaign starts, the DM should have zero control of the player's choices regarding their characters. Doing any of these things is the DM overstepping their bounds and mollycoddling their players because their players are perceived as being incapable of playing the game properly (according to the DM) which is totally condescending. If a DM has this little trust in the other players at their table, why even play the game? Why not just write a novel where the DM dictates everything? The DM needs to respect player autonomy and understand that their role is to be a fair arbiter of the rules and storyteller, not the player character's in game nurse maid. This narrated story is not about the players coming into conflict, it was about their characters coming into conflict with one player having their character bully the other player characters. It might have turned into a player issue, we don't know because the OP decided to leave the game before their was any escalation as this was not the kind of game they were enjoying. And no, the DM did not really know the players or their characters and it is doubtful much of setting was really developed at this point since she was a new DM. She tried to limit some player choices with their characters which was not just inappropriate but ultimately proved ineffective. While I think the bullying player's actions were absolutely uncalled for in the first game but were obviously done to establish some sort of in game pecking order, I am just as surprised by the apparent lack of reaction from the rest of players at the table to counter it.

[@ryderstover275]

Hello Everyone hope you are having a good day!!!

[@laggingineer6455]

No I hope YOU are having a good day

[@smackfanxion]

*puts thing with very VERY sharp teeth in bag* "Sure buddy, all yours."

[@Tzryylon5]

The Problem Player was certainly a problem, but that Enabler DM is what really allowed his tomfoolery to shine.

[@andrewjohnson6716]

Got to say, this once again comes back to the DM. Your game will always descend to whatever you will tolerate. The player made the right choice as that game was never going to get any better.

[@KonradTheKing_]

i can't stand but look at the face of Oogie in the intro and almost shed a tear :'>

[@imeize]

Finally! Someone with the brains to go “naw dog” and walk away from a shitty group!

[@thebeandemon1891]

You know you watch to much KZbin when you know what the intro story’s all

[@ClassicLes]

This video really makes me think what I should do. I'm in a very emotional state rigght now IRL and feel I should just quit the game and the party I joined. I was really hyped for the DM's campaign to start and wanted to get really into it, but the DM really managed to bring the enthousiasm down for me. For adding mystery players into the mix that I dislike IRL, For making my character background completely useless in the story, Making my character be a complete joke, unable to do anything. Just wrting me out of the story when I went through a hard time IRL. Giving my character a "solo campaign" before joining the main party as a reset for the background story. Seeing other players leveling up and adding skills I intended to bring to the table while I stay the same level. (I play in a different time period of the campaign) All in all, I just dont like were the group is heading. I wanted to play so much but every time I see them play together I just feel... left out.

[@bethkrager6529]

Find a better DM, dear.

[@snake698]

It's good practice to ask the one being attacked "do you want pvp?" If the person says no then the attacks automatically miss and saving throws are automatically a success. Problem player will soon learn humility.

[@Mephiston]

The problem with that is that typically the people who use pvp to assert dominance or be a douche (99% of cases here) will just do other malicious shit like steal their stuff, try and turn the party against them, stuff like that. Otherwise you're right, it is good practise to ask first. As Henry Crabgrass says.. "Consent, please!"

[@snake698]

@@Mephiston That needs more creative punishments, but anyway doable.

[@LucielLaurantis]

People wanting to be the main character is the worst.

[@mr.halloween3371]

I can't unhear your plug for men's health hair stuff rofl. I still love you Chanel.

[@FatedGamer]

Sounds like the dm was way to new to even run a game. And the players should have banned together harder to get the min maxer punished. Like -5 for +10 is also a feat with great weapons only not punching. +6 str is physically impossible due to the limit being 20 until you get epic boons and magic items involved

[@supermcspotty]

Could be pathfinder or 3.5. Power attack was a common thing, but to deal that much damage with a fist is insane even for a barbarian with +6 str.

[@FatedGamer]

@@supermcspotty I don't know about 3.5 but level 1 pathfinder power attack is only -1 for +2. There could be other things you can stack on as I'm still pretty new to pathfinder and only played a monk and a cavalier. Also he said only humans get a feat which I don't think is true of 3.5 or pathfinder depending on class, specific race stuff and other weird things that you can pull off.

[@supermcspotty]

Most likely outcome is the guy was a cheater who probably took stuff like reckless rage(amplifies power attack while raging) without caring about whether he was legal or not.

[@FatedGamer]

@@supermcspotty Well that is what I'm assuming too and that's why I'm saying this DM seemed way to unknowledgeable from the description. That or willfully ignorant of what was happening.

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

@@supermcspotty This was definetly not pathfinder

[@KagemaruHitokiri]

My own case of "playing nothing is better than a bad game" was a pretty boring session by comparison. More or less, this particular GM disliked me (he thought I was running Pathfinder wrong by mostly following RAW) but had invited me to his game. There were 14 people at the table, and he did not have the leadership to corral that many cats. I had rolled up a Ranger/Shadow Dancer because the party was level 6. The only action I got to take was when we were presented with a long hallway and several doors that we (supposedly) could see. I scouted ahead, checking each door to see if they would open, none of them did. Then, the barbarian in the party tried the first door again and it worked. I asked if I could hear the door opening (squeaky hinges and clicks) "No, you're 80 feet away" "...That's not exactly an issue. That's, what, +8 difficulty on a DC 5--" "800 feet away" That was about where I figured out that he was basically favoring 3-4 players and letting everyone else watch. I'm not even a fan of Critical Role, so watching this subpar game play out was not my idea of a good game. Later as I was leaving, some of the players (who I also GM'd for regular games) agreed it was pretty much just an entertaining exercise in how bad it went.

[@kuzmavolkov]

Reminds me of a game I stupidly talked the DM into getting more players for. Ended up having someone join who played as a 3ft dragon born that had feathers. We referred to her as a chicken... So when a NPC bartender called her that, she used her breath attack. She wanted to just singe his mustache but that's not how a dragons breath attack works.. She Killed him. He was an npc with 1hp. Then between other newer players that joined constantly zoning out and streaming themselves playing other games while we did dnd. She decides to run out side and scream bloody murder after I went and said "Hey what's the worst that can happen in sending a sentient elemental into a magic library. If anything goes wrong we'll hear screams." Then later on after I had already quit since the game was giving me actual migraines... She decided to stand and zone out in a scared fountain and was killed for it (again mind you.) She was eventually asked to leave the game but... With half the group never paying attention and streaming games on twitch while we were in dnd together it just seemed pointless to rejoin. Not to mention the random friends joining the discord and distracting them further with memes to everything we said or did. In the off chance you're reading this ya little dutch angel dragon... You're not a bad person, no one hates you but for f's sake don't do or take sooo much shit before dnd you can't remember what, who or where you are. Take enough for pain, not enough to go brain dead.

[@darkelftenak]

This is a bit of a long post. So my story takes place over 5 or so years; I had been in one campaign before with a problem player who targeted me no matter which character I played. As far as I was aware, it was only because I used an illusion spell to make a bunch of naked men run at them and start dancing around them. after that, it didn't matter what I did or which character I played. They constantly would go after me, attack me, try to kill my character in their sleep. Or just plain be a jerk towards me. I left that group after 6 months. The next group I joined was after a couple years had gone by. The group had me, a friend, his two roommates, and 2 other friends of ours. The game took place at my friend and his roommate's place. We rotated DMS in this group so that no one would get dm burnout. Sadly no campaign would last longer than 3 months because one of the players we will call dave ( one of my friends' roommates and host of out games) would constantly get bored of the campaign/ his character and convince everyone else to start a new campaign. This was ok at first but started getting really annoying after a while. I even stopped caring about making anything more than a shallow backstory for my characters because they would just get retired soon anyway. So for the first couple of years in this group, everyone got along pretty well, in fact. Then it kind of started to go downhill. I'm not sure what started it, but "dave" would say " I kill Op's character" repeatedly during a game. This started getting really annoying. he would use spells like charm person and command to make the group members do what he wanted. A few of us would get quite ticked off at having our characters agency taken from us. But he would just brush it off as him playing his character. Fun fact, most of his characters did this kind of thing. Eventually, all his efforts were directed towards my characters. It wouldn't matter if I just brought in a new character. It became the new punching bag. I eventually had enough of this, so I started fighting back. Even once, I complained to him about how he was only targeting me, and there were other people to antagonize. He claimed he was doing nothing wrong and asked if I would make a big deal out of it. I kept going on about it, and he walked away from that table. Eventually, he sent us a message that he wasn't going to play in that campaign anymore. I was happy. But the rest of the group wanted to include him, so the campaign abruptly ended. A new one was started, so he could join back in. these antics continued and got worse as time went by, I wanted to quit so bad, but I didn't want to disappoint the group or seem like I was making a big deal of it. But I was miserable and dreaded going to those games. Eventually, the group fell apart when dave got into an argument with one of the other players and literally threw him out of the house. Afterwards, Dave asked me if I wanted to play again, and I just said no, that I wanted to take a break from dnd for a while. After a couple months, I joined another group, and it was awesome. Dave then sent me a message about how he knew I joined another group, trying to make me feel bad about it. I didn't respond to this message and just enjoyed my new group. Sadly we had to stop playing when covid hit, but we plan to play more when it's all said and done. but my experience from the game with Dave taught me the value of "no dnd, is much better than bad dnd."

[@Mephiston]

Dave sounds like he might have some issues left unresolved. Maybe some skeletons in the closet he should consider therapy for.

[@Mephiston]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau Also possible, yeah.

[@Mephiston]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau It could also be that they were desperate for a game. New games typically don't crop up with a brand new DM thats inexperienced and includes a known problem player unless its from desperation. More than likely was the case that this group was the only group, or the only group going that wasnt in the middle of a campaign or wasnt accepting new players.

[@maximillianjayphoenix]

As a new DM I cannot stress this enough from bad games I've spectated; reign in problem characters and bullies immediately. Do not let them run you or your game. This is how you get the whole campaign or a good group to disband or even worse, lose complete interest in the game altogether.

[@Mephiston]

Good advice, but in this case the DM was a brand new DM that probably didn't do their homework or hadn't played many games as a player while paying attention to how the DM works.

[@maximillianjayphoenix]

@@Mephiston I agree they were spoken over and under experienced

[@TacDyne]

A min/maxed barbarian... noble... sigh.

[@trevorcarr2221]

i was part of a group playing a glom stalker ranger/ rouge aarakocra . most the party hated my charcter some had good resien to hate but others made stuff up to get out of helping me. like the clearic refused to heal me because they where "scared by birds as a child " but never had a problem healing the kenku in the party. to make it worst for me the dm had a witch cures me so health poitions would hurt me. which sucked becaues my guy spent most of his life lerning potion making from his father. i quite the group not to long after that but i was still in the group chat. all they could do was be happy i had quite i messged one last time to let them know i was still there

[@trevorcarr2221]

@@griffinimbier-maher9764 i dont know I tryed my best to be nice to them all. my charcter didnt find much need for loot or gold and i helped make healing potions for them . i meet them when we started this campain so i dont know.

[@buttonsfan]

I misread the title, or misunderstood the title. I thought it said, I thought it meant: “There’s no DnD better than bad DnD.” Like goofy fun DnD.

[@GabrielMajere]

I feel so sorry for the DM. She doesn't sound like a bad DM, just really inexperienced. A "that guy" can make even an experienced DM to never want to play again.

[@viridityone3106]

Why does op's tiefling look like jubilee.

[@cjdd8184]

His name is Jubilee. I thought it'd be a fun 90s reference too

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

@@cjdd8184 *his. But I love the reference :)

[@cjdd8184]

@@apetnamedsteve4411 sorry! I changed my comment

[@ccarrl1257]

I hate thoughts types of people that just want to be the 'hero' of the story

[@Mephiston]

It's one of the biggest faux pax of being a player, so it's right that you dislike when people act like that. Particularly if they don't change.

[@benkayvfalsifier3817]

@AllThingsDnD BTW, it wasn't called soccer boppers like you accidentally stated; it was Soc-Em Boppers.

[@dodo_doggy3045]

I'm surprised how little comments there are. Alright peeps, let's fill this up, shall we?

[@grimgreycastle5141]

Sup

[@stephenadams8712]

If it was me before leaving the game I would describe how my character uses the bag as a bathroom then tosses it at the problem player

[@sherylcascadden4988]

No D&D is better than bad D&D = bad games/DMs are worse than not playing. Completely agree. Haven't been able to play because COVID, crappy computer plus unable to pay for Internet equals no on line gaming (recently got a tablet, and piggy back another person's wifi with permission during preset hours, so still no online gaming). I miss gaming a lot, but not enough to go back to the last three groups I opted out of when they got toxic. Last good group that I really enjoyed was nearly 30 years ago, when second edition was the main game.

[@masterredwood]

I enjoy bad D&D funny enough... You just need to identify it as such, make peace with the limited time the campaign has before it implodes, and buckle in for the ride. It's not really playing D&D and more observing a dumpster fire for fun though.

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

Easier to do when you commit a character you don't care about.

[@bradminson8291]

Yeah, it’s like bad Sci-fi/fantasy movies (MST3K anyone?). There’s cringe bad, and then there’s off-the-rails bad that can be fun (Planet of the Dinosaurs or Plan Nine From Outerspace!)

[@TribesX]

As both a player and DM (even if still a bit of a greenhorn), I think he should have told directly to the table what their problems were (well, DM and Problem Guy, others seemed ok). If everybody was new but him, it could have been a harsh (and humiliating, sorry to the DM, don't care about Problem Guy) but good lesson for them. When you're a new DM, you tend to let people do things when they shouldn't because you are not used to being in charge, so it would have been a good reminder. And Problem Guy should be called out on his ways of playing. At least, the other players would have understood what the problems are. If they are new, they wouldn't know what to expect from other players.

[@FidgetTheMidget8P]

I've been running a campaign where the played characters actually hate each other and they sometimes engage in PVP (once every few levels/a story point comes up that they can't agree on) and so we've been working on making PvP fun for all. I think it's been going well, but new players shouldn't be allowed to do pvp until they understand what teamwork is

[@TheDeadwolf11]

I feel this story, I just came out of a toxic campaign, way to long and bad DnD is deff worse then no DnD. W/ the last session one of the players litterally told us that the worst case scenario was that we would have another session and he wasn't being funny sarcastic or something, I can't understand that if you feel that way, why you would play DnD at all.

[@salvion2]

So can someone please tell me how you get a +6 in any stat at level 1 that is a 22 at level 1 the absolute best to my knowledge is a 20 and that with a 18 + race bonuses . Unless there’s magic items involved I can’t see it legally happening . Also as a gm if I had a player bring something like that to a game I would have a lot of questions about how the character was made

[@Mephiston]

The story did mention that the DM gave out magic items to level 1 characters, so it's quite possible.

[@JD-mh8be]

I would have stuffed problem player in the bag and kept it going

[@JD-mh8be]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau their not rolling aginst each other and if for whatever reason they were that guy would have disadvantage so it could work

[@JD-mh8be]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau also I’m sure if the entire party tried I’m sure the dm would just say that guy was in the bag

[@JD-mh8be]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau I’m aware of the helping rules but it would have been funny to see that guys Face if he was forced into the bag

[@JD-mh8be]

@Naukumaija Mau-mau facts plus I feel like dm would get the worst of that guys pathetic wrath

[@JD-mh8be]

Still gotta give it to the dm for trying (even though it wasn’t that great) to stop that guy with the half damage gloves. But at the end of the day when that dm gets some experience under their belt (or grow a spine) this will become an rare issue

[@VoidMaid]

So the DM told him it was a bag of holding, but he still wants to cast detect magic on it?

[@fiesesalien]

This story was here already. Stay crunchy.

[@Metalchemist2]

I would have talked with the dm to see if I could roll up an evil character and play like Dr. Doom. While he's evil, he won't needlessly kill people and instead try to rule the kingdom through deception before outright hostile takeover. At least he'll be a team player until the problem player gets in his way...

[@lostkitty82]

I had something like this happen to me!! I found a new game to join, I repeatedly asked the DM what I needed to know about the world as I was coming in mid-campaign but they kept telling me anything goes. I finally settle on a character I've wanted to play for a while, rolled their stats, bought their gear, set their skills... only to have on the day of the game be told they don't roll for stats and that I had to use the point-buy system. They then showed me a calculator for it and showed me min-maxed stats and told me I should use what they suggested. I was utterly disappointed because I rolled really nice stats and was very well rounded. I only played one session with a character I made up in 20 minutes. I haven't played since.

[@Mephiston]

You should try again and ask the DM to clear your characters stat rolls first. Any good DM will allow prerolled stats that fall within 10-15 points of median skills (so between 60-75 points, which is not overpowered), or a couple of points either side of standard array added up (72 plus a couple of points), particularly if you give yourself a negative stat or a couple of low stats.

[@lostkitty82]

@@Mephiston I have no interest in playing with that group. After that first session I also learned they were all rules lawyering and out of game conversations is all about power character building. No thanks, I prefer to have fun.

[@Mephiston]

@@lostkitty82 Yeah, I phrased that wrong. What I meant was try again with another group, not the same one. My bad.

[@lostkitty82]

@@Mephiston I've been trying, just super hard cause my job has me always on the night shift and no one seems to game during the day, it's incredibly frustrating.

[@Mephiston]

@@lostkitty82 I know the feeling, friend. Life often gets in the way.

[@ricardomeza8607]

That why I as DM have a anti murderhobo system, when someone initiates hostilities, use a NPC to stop them (always in character and perfectly capable to kick his or her ass) if that doesn't work, i kick out the problematic player. If someone try to sabotage the experience of others in the table i reprend them if they are neovice and kick out if they are attacking intentionally to other players with out reasons.

[@craigtucker1290]

I have always allowed player vs. player as it is not the DM's responsibility to sort out these issues or to interfere in player agency. I have always maintained consequences for one's actions and have never seen a murderhobo in three decades of running the game. Player vs. player has occurred from time to time in those three decades (mainly with one player) but never like in this story which was just nonsensical.

[@hackermanfromwalmart]

I haven't watched yet but i already agree

[@unwithering5313]

How did the Barbarian have +6 Strength? Especially at 1st level

[@martynicholls5689]

@@griffinimbier-maher9764 He probably just put the number down told the DM and since the Dm was new they didn't question it.

[@davethwave9870]

Min Max magic.

[@rafaelcalmon2858]

You can get an 18 when rolling for a stat. Put that on STR and then have a race giving +2 to STR, like a half-orc. That gives you a score of 20 (which is a +5). DM probably didn't know there is a cap on ability score. Problem player probably went with his bullsh** "feat fits my backstory" excuse to pick multiple feats (from the story he clearly has at least 2, one that gives him Detect Magic and another that lets him do GWM -5 to hit ability on an unarmed attack), giving him extra STR all the way to 22 (which is a +6). Of course, he could have went with other stuff, like having a magic item such as Belt of Giant Strength. There be ways to get that much at level 1. Most of them by breaking the rules.

[@PhoenixIsTrash]

Level 1 half orc barbarian dealing 14 damage with a punch, I think not. As if nobody called bullshit on that. You said he took a -5 for extra damage, a trait exclusive to the Heavy Weapon Master feat which only applies to heavy weapons and not fists. So he potentially gave himself two feats at the start of the game. I have no idea how he started with a +6 str as it is completely illegal in 5e to start with more than a 20 (+5) str. But that would mean his max damage is 7 for a punch without first blowing one of his rages, so I'm thinking he just didn't half the damage when he was told too.

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

No, I watched the roll. It was 14 total. Not everything his character did was legal. The DM was new, and wouldnt know and be able to call out his rampant misuse of the rules.

[@skynyrdjesus]

That's just not how any of this works. It's obviously impossible to have a 22 strength at level 1, there is no feat or feature that allows you to take a penalty to hit for increased damage on an unarmed strike, the unarmed strike would deal a flat 9 damage, assuming rage, and it's patently clear that no one at that table had half a clue what's actually in the player's handbook

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

It is. He clearly fudged his stats, and claimed he took two feats to bump his Strength further, which while technically possible, is supposed to cap out at 20. I actually mentioned this to him in character creation, and it got ignored. I had given up following rules by his second swing at me.

[@craigtucker1290]

Wow, that player was a problem, completely out of hand from the start. So many issues here and it is unfortunate the game degenerated so, especially for a first time DM. The funny thing is that the tieflings player might be remembered as "the problem player" that threw a fit and stormed out if this group remains together, not that it would be true. But I do wonder how that group made out and think the player made the right choice as the game did not seem to be right for them.

[@AverageAnimeFanGirl]

As someone with zero role playing experience outside of video games (JRPGS mostly), could anyone here offer some friendly newcomer advice?? Maybe some recommendations on how to find an online group?

[@gf7szega]

newcomer advice: (because i went from computer RPGs to pen and paper RPGs myself). You have total freedom, but very limited time to figure out what you want to do or say. What helped me in general is a little thought exercise. 1, you are entering a bar and looking for X and Y there. What do you do? (as in describe exactly how you do something, not just, you start looking around, but where do you start, who do you talk to, what do you say? Short handing stuff is usually not the best, except when everyone is tired around the end). 2, describe your character without referencing notable characters (e.g.: my bard is like Brad Pit but taller), or showing a picture. (personally, this is what I most struggle with) Like lets say you found your group in the tavern and you need to describe your character as he/she gets to the table. And there might be groups with really light roleplay where short handing is common. eg.: I want to persuade the merchant to lower their prices. Okay, roll for it. Vs. I want to persuade the merchant to lower their prices. Okay, what do you tell the merchant? (afterwards you may roll, with maybe even a +1 or -1 depending on what you said or maybe it's just something for the DM to help better narrate the event) All in all, most players and DMs will be friendly and forgiving is you tell them that you are new, and can probably give some advice for their particular setting if you ask them. Maybe even have like 5-10 mins with the DM giving you a brief introduction about the races you want to play with (their standing with the locals, e.g.: tieflings have a bad rep.) and how certain classes are viewed (do you need to hide being a warlock with an infernal patron? Probably yes to some degree). The general tone to the world (e.g.: happy go lucky, where there is no racism against the PCs and if there was it would be a plot device. OR realistic, where the history and war of races left a mark and certain races have long lasting hatred towards certain others). Anyway, sorry for the long rant, I hope it helps and have a good time :) (yes, I skipped your second question, because I have no idea...)

[@Mephiston]

Discord for online groups. /r/LFG on reddit, roll20.net forums. Familiarise yourself with the rules. Download a cheatsheet / reference sheet and read it. Consider looking up a video called "How to Write an Interesting Character in 5 Minutes!" by Runesmith. It's all about making an npc, but a lot of it carries over into player character creation too. Don't be afraid to ask questions that can't be solved by looking up the player's handbook, the basic rules from the d&d website, or a reference sheet.

[@williamfalls]

I feel like the Detect Magic feat should have been the moment to take a stand that they were clearly metagaming. Or at least rephrase it into a persuasion check to convince the character of the lie feat, but not actually possess said feat. Not sure if it was right to leave people to continue to endure the problem, but red flags and dipping is a natural response to bs.

[@NeoIsrafil]

Hmm... rolling without permission? My group generally knows when a d20 is needed and has them rolling as needed before he needs to ask. Makes things faster. Is that an etiquette thing? I guess we've known eachother for over 10 years though and know what the DM is gonna ask for. I suppose in New groups we would probably wait...

[@wolfdog1dmn]

In some groups its etiquette, in others its more a 'I as the DM want to tell you what to roll', and in others its a 'your character wouldnt have the knowledge of this specific region of the world' For instance, in my groups I ask that the players only roll when I say because it limits confusion, prevents the 'I roll, got good, say its for X' thing that happens. I'll ask specific people to roll, then if someone else rolls I'll inform them they cant roll or they have to ask first. Frequent problem players for this issue will have their rolls count as a 'you rolled to do this completely different menial task'. But its basically a 'different DM's do things differently'

[@delcodanglin9382]

Sock em boppers lol

[@RandomNulls]

Tbh after he left if the DM doesnt make the problem player stop hes gonna have 1 person

[@TheDannyschoofs]

yep, unfortunately been doing 'No D&D' since the beginning of my life.. I saw the 90's cartoon & been playing woW since 2004... But only found out D&D-ing was a thing last year or so... Still wouldn't know where to look for such a group or so... So probably no D&D group is looking for me I think & will most probably stick to MMORPG's & other RPG's, I think? Still the stories here & on other KZbin channels sound awesome...

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

Pick up the 2nd campaign of Critical Role on Spotify. Like all games, they run for a couple hours, but you really wont regret it.

[@grish_grosh]

@allthingsdnd sold out to Carbonic acid shampoo. For advertising, using his voice. Bastard telling me how to not be bald

[@dainslatton9877]

A barbarian couldn't possible have a backstory reason for making use of detect magic regularly? That other player sounds like a nightmare, the DM is a noob, but that complaint struck me as terribly unimaginative.

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

You are correct in that it is technically possible, and I have been catching quite a bit of flak for that remark. With that being said, when I wrote it, I could not think of a single good reason why a Barbarian would have it, or even want it. Not only is it a waste of a feat, but a good party plays off of each other's weaknesses. If I were building it, and had room for a feat, I wouldnt waste it on Detect magic. The caster in the party could use those spells, and I could get something more useful to my character.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

Even (read that "Especially"?) with a first-time GM, the better answer is a confrontational, "You said this was roleplay Heavy." AND go on to explain that RP-Heavy is NOT murdering fellow players, bullying the Party into whatever ONE piece of Kentucky fried SHITBAG wants, leaving a GROUP to sit on thumbs so ONE guy can be the ultimate center of attention, nor dubiously parlaying some magical items or artifacts to "void lethal damage". ALL of that is BULLSHIT... If it comes to it, cast the Hideous Laughter, and give the rest of the Party the option. You can stick around this shit-bag, or you can come with me. Eventually, the Table will figure itself out... most of the time. AND most of the time, the GM (with someone to offer moral support) will have the guts to step up and confront the Problem Player. It sucks as a veteran of the Game to have to do the "mouthing off" and it similarly diminishes my entertainment value to have to work on "friendship counseling" instead of throwing dice and shouting "Kill it with fire!"... BUT if we (as veterans) don't owe the Game itself SOOOooo much for our years of fun and the learning experiences, who does??? We SHOULD step up and help the next generation learn in easier ways than we had it. Done well, it's THE GREATEST Hobby of all time. Done poorly, it's just another friggin' nightmare. I'd likely have found some way of lighting the bag on fire before leaving the Game. I don't take it kindly when someone is hell-bent on destroying the Game I've loved so much for so long... AND I tend to get vicious about it. ;o)

[@NinjaBusCow]

That person was a jerk. I agree that No DnD is better than bad DnD.

[@wanderingshade8383]

Wait like, "Not playing DnD is better than playing bad DnD" or "There is nothing better than Bad DnD"? I think its the first, but its rather telling that I thought of the second option there before the first XD

[@darkjager7010]

Oh you ain't alone there, i only just realized what that meant xD

[@Mephiston]

It is better to not play dnd at all, than it is to play bad dnd. It is better to go without. Title should be 'Why not playing D&d is better off than playing BAD DnD'

[@angrymike590]

Sounds like a bad situation all around that could have been avoided if this player took a new dm to the side and said not cool but it's too late now

[@tobylegion6913]

He did try, as he said, when the two dudes went out to vape, and even after that. She was having none of it.

[@rockysquirrel3926]

"90s themed" should have tipped you off that this was going to be bad D&D.

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

It did sound a little janky when I first heard it, but I was desperate for DnD at this point, and figured it couldn't be awful. I was clearly wrong.

[@sarsapong]

Know those feelings so much I got worst luck I got that kinna of game and I have to paid the DM 15$ per sessions and it also THAT DM

[@kevinsaltz7849]

The fuck that dude is just straight up robbing his players you better come with everything anyone needs to play to charge money pre made characters and everything maps all the stuff that is just bullshit

[@sarsapong]

@@kevinsaltz7849 yeah because I don’t know anything about d&d I thought it a normal thing to do and the worst part ? He harassing me after I leave his game and server for half a year . Did get my revenge though cause he keep texting me on how I’m the ‘that guy’ and how horrible I am to the party(I am not though just to be straight forward I even ask the party about it) so I just captured all the screenshots that he send me and share it with every ‘clients’ he have

[@UndeadSteampunk]

How is everyone doing today

[@UndeadSteampunk]

@@griffinimbier-maher9764 good to hear

[@UndeadSteampunk]

@@griffinimbier-maher9764 well u saying that makes me happy

[@CMAzeriah]

You shouldn't have left. If I was the DM, there would have been an out of game intervention role play be damned. Never yield to such players.

[@Mephiston]

I just hope the OP talked to the DM later and gave them advice on what to do, since they were a brand new DM.

[@Robochipv8]

...half orc barbarian... with +6 strength... with detect magic... level one. Is that even a legal character?

[@craigtucker1290]

Careful what you ask, there are some around these parts that will bring out the rule that allows a DM to alter the rules of the game and then claim it is a legitimate character even though it isn't. The answer is no, not even when the DM allows you to do something is it legitimate character as that character is only valid and possible at that table and no other.

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

Not with the rules as written, and certainly not at my table.

[@foisopracurtir6389]

I swear that Isaw this story in oher channel...

[@Spiceodog]

Can you post if the more positive stuff? A story of something awesome is better then a dnd horror story imo

[@diablayukki]

Im way to early to this party

[@totoru4ever]

The one-sided way you tell the story and the hints that you are a kid tells me, there was no real problems here, you just like to roleplay a victim.

[@jblask2]

Shame that something as awesome as 90's DND was ruined.

[@aarancriswell9820]

34th comment spot

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

jubilee really?

[@jamesjustjames4066]

First time viewer, I've started up a couple of your vids and it looks like you have captions on all your videos. I hope to never see this channel again.

[@0SC2]

Bad DM, bad player.

[@chrisppx]

Maybe its just me, but it seems like the OP was the problem player, didn’t sound like they tried to take any hooks and REFUSED some

[@1Kapuchu100]

It could be understood like that. But notice how Gus was the one that went PvP when things didn't go his way, who blatantly cheated with character creation, etc. The more likely scenario is that Gus just bullrushed forward, putting himself front-and-centre at every single plot hook that arrived. So rather than OP not taking any plot hooks, it was Gus greedily grabbing every single one of them, before any of the other players got a chance to so much as say "I look at... "

[@apetnamedsteve4411]

@Chris PPX @@1Kapuchu100 Hi. OP here. Gus was the Barbarian that stepped in the way of the blow. He was a good guy, and I loved his character. I would have loved to take the one plot hook availible, except the Problem Player was talking over everyone, and the DM was focused mainly on what he was saying. We walked through the rotting forest for one minute, before the druid and PP got up and went for their Vape Break.

[@1Kapuchu100]

@@apetnamedsteve4411 Oops, my bad about the name mistakes! I just latched unto the one name I remembered ^^