Most Drama Filled Season in Lotr: Rise to War 2.0?

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[@allthingsmiddleearth]

As a reminder, I have censored names from the drama video because I don't think it does any good, and the last thing I want is players getting negativity sent their way when this is just meant to be my recap/response to the season. So please keep specific names out of the comments unless you are talking about yourself, thank you :)

[@JD-xj6yq]

Maybe should delete the video tbh. Not a great look imo.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

@@JD-xj6yq sorry you feel that way. As I’ve stated many times I’m sharing my experiences from the season and didn’t show anyone’s name. I have no idea why so many people have an issue with people being held accountable for how they act.

[@infernoLoTR]

From being in leadership a lot over the seasons and playing many many hours. This game consumes a lot of its players lives. You wake up middle of the night defending something or setting troops, taking tiles etc etc. for 55 days many of the players live the game. Tensions will get high, people say things they don’t actually mean or dream of saying in real life because of the strain people put on themselves while all the while having their own sense of what is 'fair' for their teams. It’s not an excuse but it paints a picture of the reality. The same goes for leaders who also spend hours talking like actual politicians. Sadly a lot of the team members don’t know what goes on with diplo exactly. They don’t see the toxicity or the good from their leaders when talking to other faction leaders. They only see what comes back to fellowship or discord. This video shows some of the worst of what comes out in game but it’s not always this way either. Every team has members who are a little close to the knuckle or troll and they try to keep them in check a little but also anything can be painted in whatever way we wish it to be. This is an interesting insight, but for me I don’t really feel it’s a necessary video. Just feels like something to prove a point or because you can to a wider audience. But not to say that’s how it actually was intended from you either.

[@booyow7901]

Omg! This is the best, I love game drama so so much. I Love it!! Thank you, enjoying so much and live the screenshots! So great!

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

You're welcome 😊

[@cija6328]

Greeting from WINE, this is cija. We had good fights Isen but I wished we had to fight only you 😅

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I wish it had worked out better :(

[@booyow7901]

Cija, you're a good sport! This was so fun to see!

[@swoopwalker2922]

The pvp was probably the most fun I had in the game in a while. I will say hearing that from the leadership it’s crazy to hear what happens behind the scenes as the season progresses. Hard to keep everyone happy.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Yeah it's tough, but overall it was a great season! I tried to stress it a few times, but this was definitely my view on leadership, not the server as a whole or 99% of the players.

[@JohnGifford-yd7zt]

Agreed, I was variage and I did enjoy the season personally. I fought Loth/Lind/Arnor/Angmar/Erebor/Mordor/Rohan/Isengard and 95% were respectful good players🍻

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

sounds like an action pact season!

[@racheltheradiant4675]

This season was crazy and fun and exhausting. BANK Diplomacy did great. The only thing i remember differently is that we fortified the Critical Crossing at Entwash before Gondor re-entered the fight. It was epic how many times we fought over Argonath with Rhûn and we finally got Undeeps by going through Emyn Muil. All in all it was a great season, I predicted we'd be able to beat Rhûn, they were fun to fight. And their ally, Variags was annoyingly effective sometimes lol

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Yeah it was a good one! Glad to have started 2.0 with a win!

[@ohm9297]

Atme you missed the opportunity to say “go play candy crush if this isn’t the game for you” at the end

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Oh I totally should have lol

[@dnaseb9214]

Played it, didn't realize there even was drama

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I think that's a good thing :)

[@John117_C27]

I played in your season! Rebuilding glory! Once I saw the warband names it clicked…🤣

[@John117_C27]

Lol this is so crazy watching the recap from your side! I always stood with Isen but man I never saw the true drama from that season 😂

[@vicharious234]

Really sounds like they wanted us to control Loth's actions and decisions.

[@The-Pleb]

That was some juicy juicy drama.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Just for you

[@KyRick77]

Hey ATME. I was a member of Rhun during this season (not in leadership) and I thought you guys were great opponents. Nothing but respectful battles. My guess is a leader thought we were going to win and got butthurt when we didn’t. See you guys on battlefield next season

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

It was a great season, and 99% of our interactions were great. Just some of the leadership stuff I highlighted was tough. Also as I’ve said, I’m sure it’s different from their side, that’s how these things work. Not saying I’m 100% right about every or them, probably some combination of both. Anyways, cheers and thanks for a good season!

[@JD-xj6yq]

Idk about this one chief.

[@zionich]

Being really close to the otherside of the conversation, this is not the whole story. I get the truth is somewhere in the middle. The fact that an hour long "drama" video had to be made about it says enough for me.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I guess I don't know what you mean lol I stated multiple times that this is my side of the story, and provide screenshot proof to back up a lot of what I was saying. Also a drama video didn't "have" to be made, but this is what I do for a living and I am not sure what people don't get about that.

[@zionich]

True. But in this context, it's just to prop yourself up and make yourself feel better. What ever helps you sleep.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Actually that's not the case at all lol Again, I showed fact and owned my own short comings in the video, not sure what the issue is or why you're making assumptions instead of asking questions. also the amount of people that have been asking for this video was a large reason I did it :)

[@slipstergaming]

Our experience with diplomacy is to not have to many in the channel. And specially not players ho gett triggered. When you start insults you are done. And should step away. Also to using gifs at in diplo channels are a big NO. But form what i saw, it happens with so many teams if they start to lose 1 of 10 keeps they complain and talk "un fair" A team playes for fun and some times you lose a keep and other times you gain a keep. Cant expect to win every fight.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

This is great advice. Too many cooks in the kitchen this season got rough for sure.

[@diaanbhais1779]

I love that you beat POWA 😂

[@northernbloke6787]

From Lindon perspective clears a lot up. Though in truth it wasn't you guys we had a problem with at all. And other than 1 or 2 of DANT that came to defend some of Arnor land we didn't fight you guys. When we were fighting Rhun and Variags in Tuar and Arnor went to attack erebor rather than help us as agreed. For context this was around when Gondor and Rhun allied and we agreed to come over and help I'm still unsure how much of that was from talks with DANT rather than yourselves as I just did what I was told. But we basically said to each other if angmar loses their cap arnor is losing their cap. There was more but that was the gist of it out west.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Fair enough! If I had more time I would have liked to talk about the NW developments a little more, because there was a lot. Cheers!

[@Netherse]

Love the content ATME. Keep it comimg

[@SamDLB]

Anyone who has played with Wine won't be surprised at the drama.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

It was unfortunate. We had some people in there that we had good past experience with, but that went out the window when tensions rose.

[@Darklordthevil1]

I honestly enjoyed this drama video

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Glad you liked it! I think some people mistake the purpose of this. It’s just a recap from my prospective. I’ve even had people reach out who were highlighted in the video and we’ve have nice conversations lol

[@Darklordthevil1]

@@allthingsmiddleearth yeah some people are like that you were just explaining of how the agreements from the other fiction's were made and then later they changed their minds then things started to go South of Mordor. As you said the season was a mess.

[@nicke1022]

I think you take things a bit too seriously. It's good to relax and enjoy it. Ya win some ya lose some. Wine took on a whole server solo last season from the jump in 1.0 and won the ring. I was in claw and they were a force but respectful. I heard alot retired with 2.0 causebthey were f2p and alot of them utilized dwalin. Theres soreness in every faction and portraying a whole group with the assumption those types of players arent on your team is disingenuous i think. Trying to 'sort out' or recap a season is good content but should come with a caveat that its your pov, and theres hundreds of other pov's, some of which may put you or your team in a harsher light. Also, betrayals make the game exciting. Easy wins are never welcome

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

I don't disagree, but all I was doing was sharing a recap from my leadership experience and highlighting a few leaders that we have conflict with. I even said said several times that this wasn't about the team as a whole. So not sure if you watched the whole thing, but most of what you're saying should have been included was I think.

[@JohnGifford-yd7zt]

A lot has been left out, I'll leave it at that

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Depends what side you’re on for sure. Like I said this was my perspective and I tried to keep it as short as possible

[@AtlasWolfe]

Anyone saying that this stuff shouldn't be shared, it's private diplomacy.. nope sorry you're just wrong. First of all this is a dude who streams probably as his job and streams this game in particular. I believe that whatever you say you shouldn't be ashamed to say ... or do on front of the world. If there's something you're not proud of, don't do it, don't act that way. Accountability is amazing. I honestly wish more groups were called out like this. It'd make the game easier to navigate!

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Well said Atlas. It’s amazing to me how toxic players can be when it’s behind closed doors.

[@MrHailstorm]

Do you also hold people accountable for making things up about other factions? Where does the line go? It is very easy to say that you should be held accountable, but a lot of people do not care, and continue doing whatever they want, and say whatever they want.

[@AtlasWolfe]

@MrHailstorm absolutely Marksaa. Map dynamics and politics come down to the actions held by leaders and not just their words. Your team may not have signed an alliance agreement and I did apologize got being wrong on some of those things but I would still be happy for anyone to see what I said as anyone in my shoes would think the same. There's multiple teams that came onto the server that were friends before. We assumed they were allied. They may not have discussed an alliance but we were right about the main point. They all still haven't fought eachother and they all have fought us.

[@AtlasWolfe]

@MrHailstorm The teams I'd love to be seen held accountable are the ones Lying, betraying, gaslighting etc. Just to clarify.

[@Leek_Master_Kalec]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@AtlasWolfesay it!

[@thepewbroswreeo5126]

Was this character named poopscoop by any chance?

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Nope lol

[@bsa7611]

there is someone out there named poopscoop?????

[@booyow7901]

So true about gaslighters overuse of the gaslight word haaaa

[@Shatyann]

Even more drama filles then that long time ago with chisgule? I think that was S2 or maybe S3

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

ooof, that is a close call. I never made a video recapping all of that, would be funny to look back at.

[@Shatyann]

might be interesting to look back at those old days but idk if people would care and/or even remember that season. I dont remember much of it and I was in mordor there.

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

@@Shatyann yeah it’s funny how things are a big deal when they happen but over time you forget. I think some people take the drama videos too seriously, it’s meant to reflect, point out some major things and then go on with your life lol

[@GottyDot]

42:40 You really might want to consider plugging some merch in leadership chats. Give the people what they want

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Gotta pay the bills somehow!

[@davidclark6867]

Really poor image of Sauron there.

[@TheMinerR]

its so pathetic when the 2 strongest teams of the server decides to work together . like both of them afraid of the competition . if you not ready for competition take a small break until you are dont ruin the game for everyone else . and i play for a top tier teams one of the bets out there . we NEVER EVER do that

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Diplomacy or something else? #shorts

[@Leek_Master_Kalec]

Emmmm, about the mystery leadership person in Gondor, not gonna defend them since that’s issue between you guys. But I would disagree with your statement that the bad experience of previous seasons you had were their doing. I was in two of those previous seasons you mentioned, I’d say there are others might be in the same seasons could have contributed to our unpleasant experience than the individual mentioned in the video, especially diplo aspect. Just an observation. Congrats on the victory and hope you can have fun in the new season and tell everybody how you feel about it!🙌

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

The person I was referring to I haven’t played with in 2 I think, but I’d have to check. And yes lots of factors go into making a season what it is, from our experience he was pulling strings behind the scenes to make things happen

[@Leek_Master_Kalec]

@@allthingsmiddleearthyea it’s always a bit frustrating to deal with teams with shadow leaders, but eventually they gotta represent one group of interest, but then there’s no good reason to hide🤭

[@mellow3029]

Great video. Its sad to see players in leadership not taking accountability for their words and actions. In the long run, players in a warband with such leadership are not going to stay there for long. Great to see you guys are having fun. Cheers -Salgu-

[@HamidKhan-jf4no]

I M FIRST PLEASE PIN

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Done

[@DuckyQuaxx]

Why keep stirring the pot with your platform? Pretty lame man

[@yankeejer]

Not sure this video is a good idea. Probably fine to share with your team, but maybe not publicly.

[@captainwoofles3822]

Nah this stuff is hype

[@ohm9297]

Why would this be a bad idea? It’s the truth?

[@yankeejer]

I respect the difficulty they faced. I was the original leader of Loth and left because the drama was high internally with guys like Rengod. But these things are best discussed internally with your own teams. Making conflicts public to people who are not directly involved is not something I support on the internet. @@ohm9297

[@allthingsmiddleearth]

Should internal diplo be shared publicly?

[@yankeejer]

​@allthingsmiddleearth i dont think so. I respect this was tough for you guys. I just dont think the internet is the best place to vent it.