COUNTERFEIT CARD + FAKE PSA CASE= $4,000.00 SCAM

[@anarchond]

They probably own the real time twister and he sends it in to get graded then opens it and resells with a fake card, then resends the real card to PSA grading again. Rinse and repeat.

[@Gashnaw]

I don't doubt it. He probably made a few grand. I mean I won't do it, but was tempted a few years ago (Well like 9) (I was broke, i still am broke, but have a much larger respect for the game) Plus i have been scammed and know how it feels.

[@JordanRCcom]

Once you have mastered defeating the case security, it is very simple. Cases have changes several times since the version that is shown so hopefully it is not still so easy.

[@czajda]

That is probably right. Can PSA track them by the number?

[@drippy4622]

I'm def about to do that is it easy as fuck

[@michaelhuebner6843]

The problem is the person who had the real card graded will just deny that they sold it to the person who got scammed and their is no way to prove it nor will police waste their time on something like this.

[@dsagent]

You should keep the empty case in the store and be like: *This card is so valuable that poor people can't even see it*

[@sixdigit]

This Time Twisiter is so powerful it Time Twistered itself

[@ImIllITeRaTeAnD]

Have you ever seen that one Timmy that hides from dirty Teferi players?

[@thesleepybardalwayswaiting5260]

They know the Emperor wears no clothes, but they bow down to him anyway....its better than being alone.

[@hippo2432]

it's crazy to think some people would believe that too

[@kylechildress536]

It's a John Cena rookie card!

[@Reloadeez]

Be careful guys, I got word a group has been procuring identical card slabs the top graders are using, and the same ultrasonic slab welders. They are cracking gem mint slabs taking the label and card out then putting a 9 grade raw card and the gem mint label in the identical slabs and welding them. They then send the gem mint back in as raw for grading. The end up with 2 gem mint slabbed cards. I have been fruitlessly warning graders that having removable labels that aren't glued inside slab, or using security laser etching on the slab itself that this will continue.

[@s6laju00]

From now on I'll send my PSA cards to be graded for BGS, so they will be double sealed.

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

Jokes on you. "Authentic Grade 10 PSA Case."

[@JimA-pp2nu]

they are ALL scammers. Don't waste your money

[@mnatvandutvadventures8847]

And get a third of the values

[@jigzonyt517]

Bags are really the best go for. If you think it's pristine send it to Beckett's. If you think is lesser than that folder it or sell it. PSA are bandits

[@otomustam7000]

That's why I just buy the counterfeit directly instead of getting hosed trying to buy a real one. Much less expensive and my playgroup doesn't care lol

[@PureInsanity025]

Yeah, I just make a proxy stamp to mark all my proxies as fakes. I'd never try to sell, and only get reserved list cards

[@christopherbackus5578]

I've bought a few of the fan made cards with fancy artwork to use -fetch lands and such, but I would never buy a counterfeit card that tries to pass itself off as the real thing. My playgroup generally doesn't care, but I'm working toward removing the proxies and fake cards from my decks, even if it makes them less effective.

[@Awaken6400]

My proxies look pretty good, but they say “proxy the gathering” on the back, so I’m a trade, if they got mixed up it would be easy to see. They are blue cored and pass more tests than I expected, so I’m glad they have the name different on the back.

[@xxhowisuxx]

@@christopherbackus5578 Why remove the proxies? I understand hating counterfeits but proxies are fine so long as you're not at a tournament.

[@rolandfrerichs5625]

@@xxhowisuxx When was the last paper magic tournament? Must be a century ago..

[@davepavey2737]

Rudy, the reason the second breaking open made a mess, is because the glue bonds the Plastic so good, that when you opened it a second time, the fault line of the original break is so strong, it has to make a second pathway. ie most glues bond by fusing the plastic. I don't think the original case was sealed properly. but when it was re-glued, then rudy's tool caused it to fault in a different area as the original seal (which is now re-glued) and is now much stronger than it was originally. so hence that why it got all chewed up ie it followed a different path second time.

[@CR-kr9cs]

Now this is a Florida man I can get behind. No wacky news headlines, just some super authentic Chinese magic cards for our viewing pleasure.

[@bbb_888]

Chinese???????

[@Holynightz]

Rare misprinted psa 7 unlimited time twister. shipped without product inside. $20k minimum. Hope Rudy puts that rare bad boy on Craigslist.

[@hometownhobbies103]

PSA may have a log of that barcode and who it was shipped to. If they can show that they are grading multiple of the same cards at the same grade to that one account then that should almost be the nail in the coffin for this mystery.

[@henrymullin5574]

Different names, different addresses, different credit cards.

[@Grinningfartking6969]

@@henrymullin5574 its not that easy my dude

[@coreyhoward8595]

“I would estimate the value of his card to be $3-4000... Let me compare it to my collection of 12 of them”

[@zn74]

lmao

[@Mentally_Hilarious]

BGS 8-8.5 are for sale on ebay at $3250 or best offer. No was is a PSA 7 a $3-$4000 card.

[@james-hb5tu]

@@Mentally_Hilarious its a better title

[@fsmoura]

_Loaded Rudy_ with _Opulent Investments_

[@thekingofvirginia5014]

Your full of shit

[@MTGDeckmasters]

Imagine how many tacos you could have bought with that money...

[@Bloodreign137]

Plot twist: the guy didn’t get hosed, he’s just getting your review of how good his case switch looks so he can scam people

[@sirjustis]

Bloodreign137 that’s a good take!

[@luisv9029]

L0l

[@crashcammer9417]

I don't know how I got here... I usually have food recommendations lol. But I did watch the entire video, i don't even know how to play Magic hahaha.

[@jonathanestrada3483]

i thought i was the only one, lol i got on here to watch the news..... then all of a sudden im watching Denzel in The Equalizer 2 fight scenes now this......

[@ReactiveTraction]

Same herr! Haha

[@mcslappynuts857]

Welcome!

[@hometownhobbies103]

There are no extra cases. He is most likely swaping the real card with a fake and then sending the real card off to be graded over and over.

[@tbuttonshaw]

When I googled psa and the number it brought up some weird ebay link... for an old sale of that card

[@Mr_Rob_otto]

My guess is Rudy would be qualified to testify at trial in a court of law as an expert in the field of MTG card litigation disputes.

[@stropheum]

He'd rip a fake in the court room and be held in contempt

[@GG-ou7it]

I collect non Magic PSA cards this shit is terrifying, I thought PSA cases go cloudy when opened or cracked.

[@skulakk1360]

G G As mentioned in the video, they do.

[@kentharris1820]

I dont think they do I broke 2 PSA cases to get a "force of will" and a "chrome mox" so I could play with the card.

[@4th.seasons333]

look at the 2.. the 2 is trying to make a run for it

[@MultiAsdag]

every magic collector needs to buy a jewelers scope and just look at the yellow dot on back or the purple ring is quickest way to authentic cards quickly. Get use to the dot pattern and it's easy to verify.

[@marcwaters3478]

When/If I ever decide to start investing in power, I am sending Rudy a plane ticket to come verify everything with me on site.

[@ThisHandleIsNotAvailable.]

There will come a time when the scammers will figure it out, flood the market with dupes, and crash legacy values. Now, let me take my Zoltan Mystic head wrap off.

[@jakesword7669]

Track down who the original owner of the card was from the registry. If the label is authentic it means that at some point the owner removed the label and original card.Then they got the fake case. Added the fake card, and real label to the fake case to try and pass it off as a real graded time twister.

[@mandc20022]

Rudy just casually pulls out 30k worth of cards

[@fsmoura]

That's spare change in his basement . . . rumor is, between him, the slave girls, and his midget assistants, a cup of coffee internally costs 3 alpha rares at least

[@stropheum]

@@fsmoura alpha rares are like gold coins in the john wick universe. in the real world, one buys you a cleanup of 10 corpses from your home. in the continental (rudy's basement) it gets you one night in a hotel

[@verlisifiancesatire6344]

I got two PSA 10 slabbed pokemon cards (from the same seller) that could never grade for 10s. I've been worried about those. I've been scared people can crack open real PSA 10 slabs and then replace the 10 with something that'd never get a 10, then reseal and sell. Very scary.

[@jimmietwotime]

You don’t even have to crack open a slab, you can buy empty slabs, make your own labels, and pop a proxy card in there. EZ

[@FermiGBM1]

It's a shame people get away with stuff like this

[@KingBobXVI]

The yellowing on the case s probably from a heat gun used to soften up the glue so they can pry it open a little to do what you did. Just have to re-glue the case after.

[@retronymph]

Rudy flexes his collection of UNL Timetwisters for 13 minutes

[@q......]

Also don't buy something where you have 0 chance of ever getting your money back if you can't personally inspect it.

[@blastbeatindustries3191]

It blows my mind that people buy cards on Twitter.

[@SlavesWereGood]

dumb soi bois

[@Paul.J788]

This whole back story is as fishy as they come. Fan theories below: 1. The person who “bought” it made up the story. They actually made the card sleeve and faked it themselves. And sent the card to Rudy to see if it would past the Rudy test before they tried to sell it off as the real deal. The back story on this card is so awful and makes zero sense. 2. Rudy actually tracked this card down and made up the back story. That way this will put fear into the high end buyers and may turn some people off of buying the super high end stuff. So he personally can pick it up cheaper. It would all be for personal gain. This is just fan theory. Love the content Rudy!

[@jameshoneycutt785]

This is what happened: dude bought a PSA 7 Timetwister. Dude very skillfully opened the PSA case, swapped out the card with a fake. Dude then sold both for $3,000 a piece and profited, OR Dude sold the fake PSA graded one for $3,000, kept the Timetwister for free.

[@architectofdreams73]

The fact you even have to worry about counterfeit is a clear sign that they just need to bite the bullet and reprint these cards. But that's just me, cause I don't give two craps about card value (monetary)

[@OdinPlays94]

Mr E Meat For the most part those cards would retain their value as well. There are plenty of reprints where the original is still super pricy because of the vintage format. I am a collector and a player. I appreciate the value of the card as well as the monetary value. But I would also like reprints of these cards. However, being banned cards it wont happen unless they produce non tournament legal variations

[@mementocatharsis9372]

Gaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@commonsense9173]

@@OdinPlays94 The scarcity also keeps the cards legal for play.

[@JasperJanssen]

Pokemon Master they’re not banned cards, they’re on the reserve list. Different things.

[@Telendil]

Had to laugh so hard when i noticed the 2 in the mana symbol.

[@hyperkid21]

i planned on investing in magic but with all the fakes... i invested in sealed boxes instead.

[@woody1337lol]

Specially older vintage boxes are a good investment i think.

[@blastbeatindustries3191]

...or don't buy a Power Nine card from some sketchy weirdo in the parking lot of the liquor store.

[@chriscone916]

beware,, they can reseal the boxes too.

[@coryledwitch6492]

News flash......investing in sealed boxes is STILL investing in Magic

[@kiriyama777]

typing the verification number into the psa card search shows that it is a real label for a 7 NM timetwister. whoever made it went that little extra step to make it seem legit.

[@therealdeal1138]

Because the guy owns a real one and sends it in to get graded. Then heat treated the case like Ruby said just to open it and place a fake inside then try to seal it back together.

[@kiriyama777]

@@therealdeal1138 that's right. seeing as how the card's value is in the thousands the buyer can probably get the seller for fraud, provided he can be found

[@JoeGCards]

Never collected magic but man thats some intresting stuff right here.

[@ErroneousClique]

"Sonically welded" is the term you were looking for.

[@JessicaZane4realz]

The sad thing is your average person, or probably at least 90% of people out there have no clue how to look for these kinds of scams anyway, so you could just go to any game store and just rip off pretty much everybody. I mean just a few weeks ago I was doing trades and I have a bunch of collector's edition cards, and the people looking at it didn't even know that it was collector's edition and they just thought it was beta cards and they were getting all excited about it like it was worth a ton of money.

[@PureInsanity025]

To be fair, some of them have ridiculous values even as collectors editions..

[@KarateKidX]

When Rudy said you can spot problems from a distance, I was thinking: "Well, from this distance, that looks like a perfectly passable Revised-Edition Timetwister ... Waiddasecond ..."

[@grisselbrandthegreat5567]

The scammers are getting even more creative...

[@ideasarepowerful-mickdemi9424]

I don't know why anyone would put value into these cards anymore when counterfeits are becoming indistinguishable from real cards. In a few years, I predict that stores won't be able to tell the difference anymore. I think you'll start seeing PSA and Beckett grading fake cards as well. Unfortunately, it's over I thinks.

[@ksil5721]

You could at least track displays with blockchain tech.

[@jasonb3628]

This is very concerning for online card purchases, as even if the card is graded, you're still not safe buying online. I would definitely be paying with a buyer protected payment method such as PayPal or Credit Card, and please people, don't wait months to look at your purchases!!!

[@moxole9364]

Something that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned, but the little circles from the printer on the real card are all lined up straight, y'know like they were printed on a big sheet and then cut. But the fake one has them at an angle.

[@jordinpagel5976]

Would have been cool to see the light test when it's in the case, that's probably the best was to see its a fake PSA/Beckett.

[@vaderwashere365]

I am interested in how they re-sealed the case so well. A better fake would be really hard to determine since the case is sealed so well. Basically, how do we know if other cases have also been resealed? Or if someone has a bunch of unused PSA cases and just has to crack authentic cards for their PSA labels? The only way you know is if you have it in your hands and try to break it open... not many sellers would be comfortable with that.

[@hanzwurst3805]

Plot twist: When he opens the case he accidentally opens his real Case

[@chrisr.2410]

Lol, lost it at "the 2 is trying to make a run for it!"

[@dragonballtalk8527]

Just moved a superman 8/8 and a thanos mono black indestructible high quality playable foil magic the gathering cards for 35$ for two hand made from real rare

[@michaelhoward5773]

Rudy totally opened the case took the expensive one out and replaced it with a counterfeit and now he all acting surprised shady shady dude

[@derekwalter4238]

Rudy, sorry if you already did a video on this, but can you do something explaining the different generations of counterfeit cards you refer to? In my opinion there's not enough educational resources out here explaining how to identify a counterfeit.

[@ComicCryptoStock]

People are doing similar things with comics. I bought a Chew #1 CGC 9.9 and the book didn’t look like a 9.9 and the case had some tool marks on it. Luckily it was eBay so I returned it.

[@AlexJones-ys8iz]

Now I have this empty case... where did I put my fake Black Lotus... "Hey Timmies, boy do I have an offer for you... a PSA 10 Black Lotus!"

[@halosportscardsOC]

:55 did he say “no it wasn’t a shady person like me” 😒 lol

[@bobduncan939]

I don’t play magic and never have but these videos are fascinating

[@retrogameroom9019]

Some guy at PSA got mad at his paycheck. Grabbed a bunch of holders and his login still works to print id plates......and then he logged into craigslist

[@Green-Andy]

My question is. How could you tell if it's fake if you buy it on eBay or Amazon? I'm debating on buying some graded cards but afraid of getting scammed

[@TheVnizzletwosteps]

10:52 2 in mana circle is straight up atrocious

[@gooseboy6046]

if it was all real its still a scam you have been sold a piece of card for 4k.

[@terryfeynman]

I wondered for years why people do not simply fake PSA or Beckit cases, can´t be that hard to do, and most people buy them pretty blind when in the case, since they see it as a kind of guarantee it is real. Plus in the thick casing it is way harder to spot the fake.

[@moxavenger]

Cake? Did you say Cake? Why did you say cake? Are we having cake? I love cake!

[@jodymac76]

As for obtaining a genuine PSA case, there are thousands of sportscards that are cheap enough to "sacrifice".

[@nickash7686]

"since Egyptian times" Lol XD

[@oscarcampos8396]

The owner of the real card send it in and gets it back from PSA, and then he opens it some how with out damaging the case then inserts the fake card. After that he sales it as if it is real card to the individual that bought and you could tell PSA what happened to get the person info, but there could be a possibility that it was sold by the original owner.

[@131313MOCS]

The fake card looks like the same material that McDonald’s uses for their Pokémon promo cards

[@davidmichael90]

How can people spend 3000€ in a card without having a clue how real magic look like?!

[@camoonesar9190]

Me 🥲

[@yokboylebiri6986]

That thing has less print resolution than any magic card lol he could just compare it to a random magic card and realize it is fake.

[@ZenturionXYZ]

So I was watching this video, and I was intrigued, it turns out they can be purchased on ebay. If you look just under the label the case has 4 circles. I compared to one of my PSA cases and mine don't have those circles. It's a real shame people use those cases for the wrong intent.

[@mtgpoland]

that's rough... wondering how many ppl rushed to check their PSA cards after seeing this

[@ricardoblikman2676]

Maybe its yellow because they heated it to open the case easely due to the heated plastic

[@crusherdevourer]

The guy probably bought the card from Ruby. I hear Ruby is a creepy, shady dude...

[@jlofcalifornia]

whos this ruby character?

[@RichiePajooh-r8i]

with technology the way it is honestly collector packs why don’t the high value cards just be put into the case pre sealed? just have it sealed already with like a sticker that would show if it’s been open. idk that’s just me.

[@FISHERMAN331977]

Wonder if you could do the light test with the card in the PSA case? I would think it would still work! The thing is now the counterfeiters will try and make cards that don't show the yellow. By exposing them they learn how to make better fakes. Nothing you can do but try and stay ahead.

[@donfavro3599]

You keep saying it's a terrible example. I think it is an amazing example.The light doesn't work unless it is out of the case.I don't know how ANYONE noticed it was a conterfeit still while in the case. Just the black border being faded while in the case? I'm surprised you didn't mention at all the label being an old version not the new hologramed PSA version.The only thing I learned is the case is easy to open AND close and there is NO reason for a counterfeiter to try and duplicate the new harder to duplicate label when they don't have to--this is BIG info though. Thanks.

[@Valkyrie_3d]

Ruby! That case is as yellow as homeless Rudy's teeth!

[@louisstabile1182]

Also, it's graded NM, but there's visible wear on the corners.

[@mattmiller786]

This is sad. I know the purchaser made some terrible decisions, but this still makes me sad for him. Nobody deserves what happened to him and I literally felt my mood sink just thinking about it. My current problem is I over analyze every card now. I end up questioning the key older ones so much I’ll almost convince myself they aren’t real. There are some incredibly good fakes out there (this is not one of those good fakes) and it has me spooked, and I’ve been playing and handling Alpha/Beta since forever as an early player. I have a jewelers loupe, and other things. But that light test isn’t the one I’ve used previously. I’ve always done targeted rosettes and looking for lavender etc in the cardboard light. So to help alleviate my particular fear of buying Alpha/Beta/Unlimited which light was that? Are there specific bulb colors, or wavelengths, lumen counts, or can I order one just like the one in your hand?

[@DajuiceMain]

Rudy what happened is someone sent in there card to Psa got a 7 wasn't happy about it broke it out transfered the paper and a copy to a empty case copy case from China but real label. Probably got the original regraded

[@Bo55world]

I used to install cable and internet. Working in a house once and saw a guy had a bunch of cards and open psa cases. It was in the hood. I didn't ask any questions but I know he isn't only person doing this.

[@lucuslopez6866]

Those cases are pretty easy to find and pretty cheap. Looks very similar to psa cases except they can be opened when closed without cracking too much. I brought a bunch of those cases from the china town I live near to.

[@TheMrSlyxx]

The whole point of graded cards is you're not supposed to be able to re-seal them. Use Beckett. Thicker cases. This was obviously opened from the top. If you try this with a Beckett case it will shatter.

[@Pandahboymtg]

There was someone here in Tampa selling a Timetwister with some other Magic cards on Facebook marketplace for $500. It was most likely fake because it was the first photo in the listing. I tried to message the guy but he kept giving me excuses and saying the cards were at his girlfriend's place or some other thing.

[@psychoapplesauceeater8562]

I just started being interested in buying some slabs because I started buying higher end vintage cards. How do I educate myself throughly to protect myself. I know mistake will be made but I need to make sure

[@TragicMTG]

I knew my tool would be famous some day. I wonder if it can light test through a sealed case??

[@wisconsincheez2307]

Rudy showed great skill at playing with your tool.

[@pnkfloyd71]

Did you make that yourself? Where can one get one? That is an awesome tool to do the light test!

[@Rubberneck1965]

Where can I buy one of those lights?

[@ComicCryptoStock]

I think the light through a sealed case should remain white. Definitely need to test that.

[@TragicMTG]

@@ComicCryptoStock I made a video on my channel to test the theory. It works.

[@EdwintheMagicEngineer]

Your heart breaks for that buyer :(

[@GM-rs2fv]

Edwin the Magic Engineer not really. It isn’t hard to educate yourself a bit before spending $4k on cardboard by watching channels like this and not buying power 9 from some guy on the street

[@EdwintheMagicEngineer]

@@GM-rs2fv You know that now, but people whom are starting out don't.

[@thekingofvirginia5014]

Couldn't it be that someone from psa swapped out the real one and sealed it up n sent it out?

[@finalhearts676]

That fake card could fool me man. Im a Pokemon collector and some of the vintage non-holo fakes now are at 100% identical to original.

[@JeffBoski]

When the 2 is trying to make a run for it, run away from the deal!

[@justingagnon2061]

Boski I was watching your video today with DeGen dan and I watched his videos now I'm here i wasted hours on youtube thanks man

[@patrickdillon754]

You should be able to find out who got it slabed originally

[@joshuawoodcock2894]

i bet if you had a set of tools for changing phone screens you could open one of them up with very little damage

[@saintseiya2887]

PSA 10 GEM MINT TIME TWISTER....DANG ..GOD DAMN HOLY COW

[@flawrencebligh1746]

Rude dog! I primarily played magic back in the day when...well, when the cards first came out. Anywho, you've been getting me back into magic lately, and even considering magic as an interesting investment option. How interesting the magic market! Good work, sir.

[@AyAyRonGascon]

Woah!! I’ve never seen the WSB fella in the back😂🤌🏻

[@captaincarpo9783]

My big question centers around the misaligned mana “2”. Why is it that way? Are counterfeits really high res scans of real cards or are the individual design components of a card de/reconstructed with editing software?

[@v1p3rx]

This is what i found on the card Thank it was from the ebay sale info: This sale is for one 1993 Magic: The Gathering Timetwister from Unlimted graded 7 and authenticated. Please see actual scans of front and back of card.

[@Mephiston]

is there a link for it somewhere, cause i couldnt find this on google at all.

[@bbb_888]

Thank you for this video!!!! It needs more views

[@93desousa]

Someone on KZbin a while back was showing off counterfeit psa case with fake holo sticker and everything.

[@madzen112]

You know, if someone started making counterfeit magiccards that's just new cards, to improve the game, that'd be pretty cool. Like a bootleg new block, Pirates of Ravnica or something like that.

[@GundaManBatan]

i know a little bit about magic but didnt know they also had fakes out there also amazing opening that slab now i know how to open a slab more efficiently

[@techrafta]

I don't understand why some ppl get cards.... and then smoke 160 cigs a day in the same room with all the windows closed... then wonder why they all go off coloured.

[@7Alberto7]

Tragic is the man,great channel and great content

[@m-tron5966]

so this is the fear now....whether you know or not if a card is Legitimate, whatever you send out to be graded, will definitely be replaced by a fake, that people will sell of unknowingly thinking its real...starting a vicious cycle

[@sqike001ton]

So quick question I'm kinda a novice at collection but would the case yellow and the card fade for UV the bad card design would be a the give away but do the cards fade from light ive woundered this and this made me think about it