Alter Reality Games (ARG) | The History of Yu-Gi-Oh!

[@UltimateBurstLP]

MBT’s yugioh history lessons are genuinely one of my favorite parts of this series

[@eavyeavy2864]

Wait till he call nekroz deck as djinn deck

[@thederpiestofderps]

You guys mentioning the custom banlist you guys announced a few years later really makes me miss you two doing event commentary

[@taylorseymour2906]

Covid Custom list for the PPG circuits was amazing. I had just gotten back into yugioh around that time and I had always been so impressed the players took Konamis fuck ups into their own hands

[@myheroandmadaralover2372]

@@taylorseymour2906 the only propulm is i can tell how byiest it is

[@TheCagedK]

@@myheroandmadaralover2372 huhhhh

[@Effrenatus]

@@myheroandmadaralover2372 byiest 💀💀💀

[@NicoTb4]

I was only around for the ppg, and seeing both cimoo and mbt was the only reason I ever tuned in

[@AsheGreyLane]

A revisionist history series where they change the bar list based on hindsight would be fascinating to watch

[@endlessness]

history of jank

[@zdelrod829]

@@endlessness TRUE

[@doubl2480]

MBT and Cimo's grandsons using Tachyon technology to time travel and warn their ancestors to change the banlists of the past... sounds like something I heard somewhere else recently but it sounds fun nonetheless x)

[@zeke7076]

I’ve thought about this kind of thing before, it would really be interesting to see what the meta would have been like especially during Tier 0 formats that didn’t have their big decks

[@ZackeroniAndCheese]

This sounds like fun

[@sebastianl4135]

I really appreciate you guys are going the distance and incorporating other aspects of Yu-Gi-Oh! including entities outside of Konami creating custom formats, and now that the History of Yu-Gi-Oh! is also running right into The History of Yugitube which has so many custom formats, I'm just saying: Prog Season 1 is also part of The History of Yu-Gi-Oh! Really add that spice to the tail end of Ouroboros. :-p

[@sobbles6242]

imagine if they do a prog eppisode that would be amazing. mbt on his playoff pool and cimo on his prog pool would be so hype

[@JohnnyMacs19]

@@sobbles6242 i mean they sort of have to don't they? It is part of the history

[@esekay3648]

This series is honestly one of the greatest things on the internet . Great production and all. Gotta respect cimo grind tbh.

[@MrZorage]

Don't know what i love more, a funny back and forth game of Yugioh or JOESEPH BLOWING MY EARDRUMS OUT. Thanks again buddy

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

It's so cool that there was a custom banlist that ARG made as a 3rd party, being able to push Konami more towards what the fans of the game want from the format rather than what their pockets want in selling product, in this case The Secret Forces as much as humanly possible, is always what should be prioritized so that the game is in a healthier state.

[@geiseric222]

I mean Nekroz was still the best deck so it failed pretty hard at that

[@ellachino4799]

@@geiseric222 it failed, but it tried. It was the first time. It could've gotten better with time but oh well.

[@eic1990]

The point behind it failing and no one ever doing another ban list for big in person tournaments like that was simply that the player base is not also printing the cards so they can't know what bans or limits will help with incoming new cards. That's why Konami is the best at it.

[@Merik2013]

@@ellachino4799 The ARG Circuit also offered cash prizes. They were trying to emulate Star City Games, but I still remember their first outing which was held during the height of Dragon Ruler format. As I recall, all but one of the top cuts were full blown Dragon Ruler decks. Nary a Spellbook deck to be found. The one rogue contender I recall was singled out for an interview for playing a Worms deck of all things. The stream hosts were audibly frustrated with the way things turned out. The format was stacked against the ARG Circuit from the start and its a real shame because I was rooting for them. I always thought it was idiotic that Kazuki Takahashi forbid Konami from offering cash prizes when the first arc in his Duel Monsters manga featured a cash prize as a major plot point and motivation for one of the three most significant characters in the series.

[@SquibbyJ]

I just realized Cimooo puts his recording setup in the description and that’s really cool of him.

[@SpectreXS]

Love to see a competitive custom banlist make it into history. All competitive games must be reminded that they CAN play without the owners of the game dictating what they should or should not do when competing. Of course, missing out on official tournaments prize pools and whatnot does sting, but people need to remember that you don't HAVE to settle for bad banlists etc.

[@cooldeadpunk777]

MBTs explanation of why ARG did what they did sounds really like current format. Whose gonna call ARG and have them do this again

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

ARG is now just a card store I don't think they have the resources to do custom tournaments the way they once did and in general I believe the custom banlists by third party brands have mostly ended up going poorly for that brand. Since I don't hear much about PPG Yugioh tournaments anymore. Also the ARG announcement was in July with Nekroz having been overwhelmingly dominant since February. so the equivalent would be a custom banlist in april or March.

[@geiseric222]

Also as mentioned the ban list didn’t even stop nekroz do tear would be the same either way

[@Rumple108]

@@U1TR4F0RCE I think there was a ppg scandal

[@Sillimant_]

@@U1TR4F0RCE People Partaking in Glue was a horrendous one, feels like the final nail in the coffin for third party banlists

[@cascada5200]

1:43 Deck List / Breakdown 13:10 Duels

[@JohnBluemon]

Thank you.

[@onegladmorning4423]

I remember ARG dropping this and players goin wild, hard to believe its been 7 almost 8 years

[@Xernitory]

it is insane that nekroz still does this well while literally being neutered

[@maskofthedragon]

The whole point of Nekroz was that it was overtuned to Hell and back

[@hannibal9852]

I miss these days. My friends and locals played under this list until konami finally released their new list. I know it's not well liked thru out the entire community, but I wish more companies did this so konami will take notice and fix the current list (yes, it's still garbage even after the Dec 1st list)

[@Flatfootsy]

One of my favorite times in yugioh. Off the back of HAT, Duelist Alliance format, and right into ARG this was the timeline of how I really got to get into the game. I loved ARG Circuit Series and I do miss it dearly.

[@jayd.doubledubs]

Whoa, I didn't think you would cover stuff like this! In fact, I didn't know stuff like this became popular. This is awesome!

[@DeepCDiva]

As someone who kinda stumbled in the YGO scene mid Prog Season 1, it's INSANE to think that Gage, MBT and Cimo were fairly important to the history of the game before that. It makes sense, but holy shit

[@Ashacarlosalbert]

"Im gonna fiendish chain the aqua spirit." That sentence.

[@teamdemonygo462]

Ah I remember my first, and unfortunately my last, ARG tourney. It was ARG Chicago 2019 I believe it was and was playing Draco. Biggest highlight while there I ended up getting a top 32 Striker mat but I didn’t earn it I just found it in the garbage and all because there was a small bit of water on it but it was basically unnoticeable and I was able to take it home.

[@ObeliskTGS]

4:19 - One other thing that ARG was criticized for at the time of this list being put out was that some level of shadiness behind it as well. Prior to them dropping it they were buying up as many Tellarknight cores as they could while vending some events and wouldn't you know, the list they put out is *heavily* favourable for Tellarknights who they now have plenty of cards to sell. For a company that at the time championed itself as not being like Konami this didn't put them in a good light. Furthermore like already mentioned there were people going "who are these guys to say what a banlist should be like" and as many of us know that YGO players tend to come up with some...not so good banlist takes. Thus we have a format with a banlist made from YGO player's takes and while an interesting experiment in concept we'd later learn that banlists would not be so cut and dry in making/executing and that there's a reason why banlists should never be left to the players to decide. There's alot that goes into making them and why Konami goes about handling them in their own, terrible ways.

[@robertandson7919]

I was today years old when I found out ghost ogre was printed in 2015

[@robertgreen6499]

Having this in history of yugioh really does make it complete. I remember ARG running their series for both Yugioh and Force of Will. MTG had SCG as their second series. I miss those days for TCGs once Streaming on Twitch or JustinTV was a thing, and just having something on during the weekend to fill that void of coverage for the big TCGs. What is funny Force of Will just before the current banlist basically had this happen. Where the community banned a couple cards that were a problem, but at least they got permission from the company to do it. Keep up the fun content, and maybe when Jank gets to this time frame play some Jank decks that were played in this format.

[@pokemasterskye4231]

History of Yu-Gi-Oh! episode wins Cimoooooooo: 60 MBT: 52

[@Caernunnos]

Honestly. This kind of player run events should make a comeback

[@michaelaburns734]

Game 1 11:10 Game 2 22:38 Game 3 26:20

[@HexStickman]

I think something like this would be incredibly fun to experiment with in the future, especially since we’re bound to deal with a similar meta trajectory to this time.

[@Block360mc]

Can't believe Cimo was on Alien Nekroz

[@wor2xfs250]

lmao

[@richardoglesby2997]

I made top 16 in arg chicago in 2019. One of the last ones before the whole thing went down hill. Was a well run tournament from my experience.

[@cheesebuger13]

I played in the last ARG invitational in 2019. They eventually made it so it had the same ban list as Komani at that time. The company doesn't exist anymore, that's a story I don't quite know all the details of.

[@MsMiDC]

I think there is a video on YT from Gage (Nyhmnim) about Metazoo, in which (again i think) he goes over about how ARG came to a close. It had to do with the big boss being an absolute asshole IIRC.

[@doubl2480]

@@MsMiDC Oh I didn't know about Nyhmnim doing a video of it, but I heard of Metazoo from another KZbinr who speaks of card games, Kohdok. I might misremember (or mix-up with something else) but wasn't it a crazy story involving NFTs or some kind of cryptocurrency?

[@MsMiDC]

@@doubl2480 Gage didnt do a video of it, he streamed it and someone else took it from stream and uploaded it. But yes, Metazoo was an absolute shitshow involving NFTs, crypto, and some questionable celebrities. A very very insightful video, and highly recommend it, because Gage is insanely smart and a good speaker.

[@Hempujonsito]

@@MsMiDC it's up on Progrussy's

[@dadocta5168]

Hopefully everyone here has their highlights of History 2022 ready to submit for Cimooooo.

[@huffypuffy2761]

24:50 for Denko jumpscare

[@maskofthedragon]

0:26 Banning RML is pretty based

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

1:41 MBT's deck: Tellarknight 6:20 Cimoooo's deck: Nekroz 11:11 Game 1 22:40 Game 2 26:20 Game 3

[@javiersilva6452]

24:50 Denko Jumpscare

[@eringobraugh2485]

I love how MBT talking about all the reasons people didnt like the format just sounds like it could be about the current Tear 0

[@HareHaruhi]

Everyone hating on Musk, meanwhile I'm just thinking Twitter was better before Parag Agrawal

[@xatuyou8045]

The most impressive thing about this is people didn’t learn from it. Pro play games tried a similar thing to similar results.

[@tagg580]

Ah the smogon of the yugioh timeline

[@ShurMaster]

Except Smogon was kinda neat, since Ninty doesn't really do 1v1

[@Terrantular]

When there's 4 options to roll for, instead of making 5 and 6 rerolls, I like to split it in half and just roll/flip twice for left/right pair and then left/right target.

[@MegaXypher]

Not to be THAT GUY, but when you activate nova alpha to negate a card and draw a card, it can’t draw if the card is already in the GY or banished, because it can’t be destroyed if it’s already in the GY. I’m not sure how much of a different it would make, but just a small thing I noticed and is easy to forget about

[@williamfalls]

Gorz, the king of every archetype.

[@speeddemonish]

Gorz, the Alien of Nekroz. Truly a stellar card

[@MagGunDO17]

Wait, so you mean to tell me In 2015 Chaos Sorc hadn't been fully unlimited by Konami.

[@zetarho111]

Love this! Please redo matches with Shaddols and Burning Abyss!

[@netherin5686]

I've driving past ARG before, the actual store in Medina, Ohio hundreds of times. Never went in, it always was a little imposing. Guess I'll have to check it out!

[@FWAAzn]

14:47 I thought you don't draw off of Stellarnova Alpha, if the card it's trying to negate was discarded for cost since it can't be destroyed in the graveyard.

[@gardianx5293]

Yeah, you have to destroy the card to trigger. It's a mistake on their part. I wish it always let you draw...

[@mtb8135]

15:00 the counter trap doesnt draw unless u destroy the negated card wich didnt happen

[@jaredstivers]

If you guy stay in the ARG format. Could MTB, Gage and Cimooo have some people talking about this format. See what the Yugi Tubers actually thought about this at the time. For Historic context

[@jaxonfenn6976]

Yet again Joe's commentary provides GREAT insight. Love that stuff

[@Sillimant_]

but who is joe

[@musicalnihilist5143]

I usually skip the deck breakdowns because I like to be surprised doing the duels but I had to watch the whole thing.

[@RisingJericho]

The fact that these guys banned Vanity's Emptiness gives them a place in my heart

[@zackeryJ228]

I remember when the A.R.G Circuit 2 day Event was Livestreamed on Twitch.

[@insanemakaioshin]

1. We need a history of Tier 0. Can you do a video covering the tier 0 formats? ex. Tele-dad vs Zoodiac 2. Can you do a game of modern Yu-Gi-Oh with everything at 3? I don't think some cards are as busted as people think! 3. Can you bring back Sealed Saturdays?

[@KiRAyylmao]

Everything at 3 just means ftk turbo coinflip, MBT does do tournaments on his channel unbanning massive chunks of ban list

[@Nyhmnim]

ARG in it’s prime. Good times, good memories.

[@xatuyou8045]

How much did they pay you for that?

[@julianallen7595]

My nigga MBT said “Trapaholics”😂😂😂 He,s officially invited to the cookout

[@nearn8517]

Chet 15:03. He doesn’t draw, because brionac wasn’t destroyed.

[@LuisGaliciaGomez]

New clip for MBT 22:50

[@Zygroid]

Uh Cimo you should have done this this that that dat datarara tarara tarat tat

[@charlottesfunandfreechannel]

You going to do an episode in duel links when it comes to year it came out As I think you show off all Yu-Gi-Oh history

[@gamezharks]

Cimo playing Nekroz Alien was kinda interesting.

[@AKingofBacon]

Yo, shout outs to Cap G for secretly carrying this series

[@mayayamato7351]

24:51 Denko Sekka jumpscare

[@qweschuning]

23:49 TRAPAHOLICS MIXTAPES 😤👌👌👌👌👌

[@GamingManMike]

31:19 Wait, couldn't MBT detach Honor Ark's material, to keep it on the field? Like I know Unicore negates effects, but isn't Honor Ark's detach maintenance cost, not an effect?

[@Spiffyy69]

The effect to detach a material to protect itself is negated so no. if unicorn said "extra deck monsters can't activate their effects" then the 101 could detach to protect since it's not an activation but it says negate their effects.

[@GamingManMike]

@@Spiffyy69 Aaah OK that makes sense.

[@andresraffler]

I only started playing the game in 2018, but from all I've heard PPG really feels like the modern incarnation of ARG

[@peteryanes3413]

Na arg was way different n was better to me

[@DoctorMckay101]

ngl, from the pov of a MtG player, I don't understand why anyone would be against ARG making another format. Heck, like, in MtG we have a quadrillion official and community run formats (Canlander = best format) and even then the 2 LGSs I attend to make their own rulesets and banlist for tournaments from time to time.

[@confetti7543]

this happened bc konami stopped doing 3 month f&l cycles and the playerbase whined that the list didnt drop on july 1st. ultimately on july 15th we got a (small) ban list anyway and this was forgotten. also, arg overhit like every deck in the format lmfao. this was likely bc DUEA decks felt really opressive and a lot of players were nostlagic for early 2014 where the power level was relatively low and u could kinda get away with whatever.

[@yurazah]

honestly, konomi really shouldn't be in charge of the banlist... its constantly dictated by ulterior motives

[@arkus5595]

Can't wait for “History of Nekroz Castor” in Jank

[@TheRibbedDamascus]

Yknow... I'm gonna be so sad when they reach present day yugioh... 😭

[@Sparky-ck5hr]

If these guys play trinity format in 2019 I will literally Cream

[@nnnp634]

I would love a series where they try other formats like Trinity, Nova, Rush, Speed Duels, Duel Links, Junior Journey etc

[@gocardsandstuffshatteredle2406]

Wow, I got to actually watch for the first time in the entire history of yugioh, Aqua Spirit get fiendish chained. Haha

[@Lightnthdark]

What would a video be without Mbt chewing on his nails during opponents turn. I can’t judge cause I still bite my nails too

[@dakotadoyle7573]

I wonder if ARG was called that because of everyone's feelings on the Nekroz Meta

[@opigator]

Where can I find this announcement video with gage in it?

[@reggiekurt93]

Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIfTpqR5oKygoas

[@opigator]

@@reggiekurt93 thank you

[@cyberas3840]

Fun episode but can someone explain to me the fusion gate ban? Seems so weird when paired with everything else shown.

[@KSK993]

Was really excited to read the answer and it's just a bot 🤢🤢

[@xatuyou8045]

Something involving an ftk

[@JohnBluemon]

Try different tier zero formats with the main tier zero deck either not allowed or limited to an engine of it's former self.

[@christopherb501]

ARG's ban list: the Yugioh equivalent of King Henry or Frederick Barbarossa declaring their own church just because the current supreme pontiff just plain irked them.

[@scythermantis]

WHY DID Number 101: Silent Honor Ark get destroyed when it still had a material attached???

[@Raminator243]

Negated by Unicore

[@michaelgrey1503]

See, the reason that ARG made this list is kind of my problem with Konami. Konami doesn't hit stuff when they're not doing premier events, but events are still happening in the form of locals. It's my problem with this last banlist. No events until a certain date, who cares if an unfair deck is running around? I and many other players do when they have to sit across from bullshit week to week.

[@shirochan420]

gungnir is good to summon in this matchup the popping puts in tons of work way more then protecting, nekroz deck is more then unicore stall and trish banish

[@matheusweberschneider5498]

i swear cimoo should bet on everything, this guy`s luck

[@TVFFY]

anyone remember slacker magicians arg dank series?

[@OmegaRpg953]

Great vid

[@CosmicDoom47]

As someone who primarily plays Pokemon (where the most popular format - Smogon - is completely 3rd party with no affiliation to Nintendo) I find it interesting that ARG's list was so controversial.

[@Payohloh]

The main difference with pokemon is that no one play the game as its actually meant to be played. The most popular online format is singles when competitive is clearly meant to be played doubles. Its probably more comparable to doing a banlist for a custom format than the actual game

[@CosmicDoom47]

@@Payohloh That's definitely true. Even before doubles/VGC was a thing, Pokemon definitely benefited from the total lack of balance. When you accept that Pokemon is intrinsically unplayable competitively, it makes custom rulesets a lot more palatable.

[@Gamemaster13000]

You mean to tell me that Konami saw someone else make a banlist outside of their influence, said "Oh yeah, well how about this!" and preceded to release an objectively inferior banlist?

[@socialaccount0000]

I like how Nekroz was the only time when ritual cards weren't just good, but *broken* . You could say Chaos Max Dragon or Drytron, but A. Chaos Max to my knowledge was never broken, just decent. And B. Nobody uses Drytron just by itself, they use it with Herald of Ultimateness

[@xatuyou8045]

Drytron was broken. It was just competing with an equally broken deck in virtual world.

[@jamespolk6146]

ARG Format sleeves. Sounds like ARG is a thing way back when?

[@default0118]

i love the story of these different formats

[@samwill7259]

Are we about to get a Nightmind episode about YuGiOh? ...because I would watch the HELL out of that I want to see a bad Creepypasta version of a YuGiOh character

[@salzburysteak]

Cimo refuses to get proficient with Nekroz

[@Raminator243]

In fairness to him the deck is pretty complex, and the dude has a life. He’s got videos to edit, so he can’t master every deck he plays on these shows. Watching misplays is a bit frustrating tho

[@salzburysteak]

@@Raminator243 I understand he’s a busy man, I just wish he’d do a tad more research on a historic point in yugioh when he’s running a series called “History of Yugioh” plus he hasn’t edited his videos in years, conversely MBT seems to learn and understand decks and formats much more aggressively then cimo

[@SandroCartoons]

Imagine if they did Yugioh BAM over on Kongergate???

[@Andy_ARBS]

Bam is on kongregate? I thought it was gone everywhere

[@TheAzideen]

anybody has a link to mbt or nhymnim or cimoo videos talking about ARG seven years ago ?

[@braindeadporter]

I've always wondered why nobody played droll against nekroz. Did people forget that the no searching card existed against the deck that searches a million times a turn.

[@gardianx5293]

That's actually a really good question and yeah, droll hits nekroz pretty hard. I've played a lot of nekroz since 2021, and the deck doesn't enjoy being under the droll lock much. That being said, the deck's extremely resilient and can keep playing even with just one search and put up a board to not get otk'ed thru so it can resume playing on the next turn. Tearlament format does make nekroz struggle though. Got triple d.d. crowed which was infuriating last local.

[@xatuyou8045]

It’s more likely they didn’t know the card existed. This random rare from starstrike blast that only saw play in spellbook. This isn’t a guarantee it would have helped because spyral still managed to be tier 0 even if with droll around.

[@wor2xfs250]

Cimoo used the best alien card to win

[@thenightstalker6165]

Why would arg ban rm library and fusion gate I can't remember any relevant deck playing those

[@davida.m.fonseca1434]

15:00 Stellarnova Alpha ... You can´t draw bcuz Brionac was not destroyed.

[@theskullboy8700]

Stratos the list you were looking at was for ARG

[@grimkaizer8417]

I played at this time and I have no memory of this. This is a genuine surprise.

[@scythermantis]

*NOBODY EXPECTS THE THIRD GORZ*