Fighter Aircraft with Most Kills Comparison 3D

[@Max-oo8yo]

Ah yes the F-4 Phantom was a phenomenal plane. Way ahead of its time when it first took flight on the 4th of April 1917

[@Grom84]

kaiser germany: scheiße cheaters!!! kaiser germany: left the room...

[@4shton999]

The first flight was 27 may 1958 so must have been a typo

[@uaddedme]

That had my questioning thing haha

[@MrLalabai]

IKR! America was already making jet fighters in 1917 but returned to propeller ones to make it more fair

[@uaddedme]

Haha, good sports those yanks xD

[@fadelabdurrahman3469]

I remembered my grandpa's story when he served in WW1 in his F-4 Phantom. He said that he succesfully evaded all the Ottoman's CIWS Phalanx.

[@jeremymcadam7400]

I served with your grandpa, it was truely awe inspiring when The Red Barron shot him down with his biplane

[@Kaplan_MT]

Ah yes my war related dreams

[@faelger9473]

Must have been a real " warthunder" huh?

[@SipherZB]

@@faelger9473haha…

[@tomjones4318]

Yes, I saw that too. Probly just wanted to check who was paying attention.

[@unaimiguelgarnil]

F-4 Phantom II First flight: 4 Apr 1917. No doubts why it has 306 kills, facing biplanes lol

[@berke2642]

war thunder in a nutshell

[@unaimiguelgarnil]

@@berke2642 Ah, a man of culture as well. Btw must compress br more, F4 should be like 3.7 kappa

[@teabag_exe]

Im amazed that biplanes were able to shoot down 7 of them

[@unaimiguelgarnil]

@@teabag_exe Phantoms run out of ammo and became the bullet

[@Hansnore]

@@unaimiguelgarnil And once they knew where they weren't, they knew where they were, so they became the missile.

[@christopherskipp1525]

The F4 Phantom since its first flight in 1874 has been unstoppable. Billy the Kid devastated 1870's New Mexico with it until Pat Garrett finally brought him down in 1881 operating a prototype F-22 Raptor. Incredible.

[@CockMcBallsddd]

If only we had them a few years earlier. . .in the Civil War. . .lol.

[@Danielvslms]

😂😂😂😂

[@tillposer]

Well, due to the circumstances cronicled in the documentary "Custer's Last Jump", when Custer's Balloon Infantry was devastated by by the Fokker planes of the United Sioux nations understand the masterful leadership of what must be one findest pilots in history, Crazy Horse, the US Army Had to up its ante and develop a truely revolutionary plane. Thus the Phantom.

[@mickaeldasilva1650]

😂😂😂

[@ModernMozart1104]

lmaoooo

[@jacksemporiumofstuff]

It's a little known fact that Manfred von Richthofen actually preferred the Fokker Dr. 1 to the Phantom, on account of the Dr.1's superior low speed maneuverability.

[@robertelmo7736]

Yes, he posted in his memoirs that with the Phantom you couldn't stop from blowing past your adversary no matter how hard you throttled back. Also the lack of good jet fuel meant he would climb in the good old biplane as there were weeks where no fuel for the jets.

[@dumbsharkyboii6485]

He or she forgot to add the Fokker Dr.1 Manfred von Richthofen with 80 kills, what should be enough to get in this list. He or she also forgot the BF-109, the German ace Erich Hartmann got 352 confirmed kills using a BF-109

[@michaeld2519]

@@dumbsharkyboii6485 True, the Dr.1 should have been included, but the Messerschmitt Bf 109 is there at 5:30 with the highest number - over 20 000.

[@dumbsharkyboii6485]

​@@michaeld2519 Yeah I saw it after I wrote my comment, and after I watched the video, I forgot to edit my comment. So thats why it looks maybe a little weird

[@dspsblyuth]

@@robertelmo7736 there were no jets until late WW2 what are you talking about?

[@jjcreel9158]

The F-4 Phantom got it's name from being invisible from 1917 until 1963! That's impressive!

[@schnitzelfritz8437]

Thats a myth. The turks had the first SAMs in 1914. They werent invisible for the Ottomans 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[@Tbonyandsteak]

Ehh what??? 1917

[@nomercy368]

Hahaha

[@Mertdvrn2626]

​@@schnitzelfritz8437yeah for Real Sabiha Gökçen actually used a MC donnel f-4 phantom II

[@osmanaga9667]

​@@schnitzelfritz8437 Yok ilk 5.nesil ucagida biz yaptık f 35 falan fasa fiso

[@jarrettvdb5916]

Imagine getting downed by a guy named Dick Bong

[@freibier]

Nearly as bad as being overtaken by a racing driver named Dick Trickle

[@danielbuckle9339]

The deadly dong bong

[@chilidogcats]

Or you could have taken English Literature classes at UCLA from . . . Hugh G. Dick.

[@Komyeta]

xXDickBong69Xx joined the match *[FuckOSEA]BelkanLuftwaffe destroyed by xXDickBong69Xx*

[@Militarum_Murphy]

Flying a plane called "Marge"

[@RelativelyBest]

The fact that the Red Baron is still the most famous fighter ace ever just goes to show the importance of theatrics and a really cool nickname.

[@langbo9999]

His enemy hold a funeral for him in respect.

[@philostheodosius3281]

You must consider the time! It was during the WW1, first time planes got a major role in war history. Shooting down 5 enemy planes was already a very good success and a really big deal. The Red Baron had eight times more!

[@bsellers711]

The original seed

[@hankwilliam4861]

Yeah Dick Bong needed to work on his marketing

[@Rikki0]

You are quite correct. Ask a group of 100 people who the top scoring fighter pilot of all time is and 95% of those who answer will say, "The Red Baron". When you give them the correct answer, they will say, "Erich who?"

[@Lemonidas75]

I seriously doubt Hartmann's score will ever be surpassed, since the nature of aerial combat has changed greatly since WW2. 352 kills is a insane number.

[@SaschaDBrickman]

Nobody will surpass the Scores of the top 10 fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe. All of them have more than 200 Kills. In the German Luftwaffe you needed more than 30 Kills to be an ace in the Luftwaffe in the USAAF, the US Navy and the RAF you needed only 5 kills to be an ace. what do you need to be succesful like the german top Aces? Fighter Ace Günther Rall ,275 confirmed Kills, served from the Battle of Britain to the end of the War and after the war in the german Bundeswehr said this: First you need many targets like the Germans had in WW2 You have to be a long time on the frontline. The british and the American Pilots didn't serve such a long time on the Frontline. After a specified number of missions they got back from frontline service and trained new pilots. We germans had't this luxury because we hadn't enough people to train, so the experienced Aces flew and shot down plane for plane You need superior planes like the late FW 190s the Bf 109s or the ME-262 And you need a good organization on the ground by a skilled crew and good leaders in the German Squadrons

[@heyfitzpablum]

352 kills is a phony number, as were many of the inflated kill counts by German pilots during WW2. Goebbels had something to do with that.

[@marksbikeexports5123]

@@heyfitzpablum please substantiate your spiel with some facts from a recognized source.

[@evilbred974]

@@heyfitzpablum Even if that were so, it's pretty safe to say that no aces will ever surpass the numbers from the Eastern front of World War 2. There will likely never be a theatre of battle anywhere close to the scale of that. Technology, cost and capability mean we will never have that number of aircraft in the skys.

[@heyfitzpablum]

@@marksbikeexports5123 Why should I DISprove unverified kill tabulations from the Luftwaffe in WW2? Hartmann's claims-along with many other top German aces-lack corroboration. As I noted in the other thread, US pilots had to have supporting-irrefutable-gun camera footage to have any chance at a verified kill. Other armies required ground forces confirmation or irrefutable corroboration by other squadron members. Without supporting, believable documentation all of those claims need to be taken with a grain of salt. I won't waste my time DISproving an unsubstantiated claim. But, if you want to provide evidence to support all those kills I'm sure Air Combat historians would love to see it. His count is not widely accepted by serious historians. Substantiate them, you're the one arguing they're believable on their face. As they say in Court, it's all speculation until the evidence is presented. That's my 'spiel', what is yours? lol

[@kablah777]

The Phantom vs Sopwith Camel rivalry was legendary.

[@enot1koff]

Default civilization V game

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

@@enot1koff gotta love it when I'm in the late stone age and the other civ comes at me with UFO's and shyt

[@ronalddavis]

hell a phantom would stall out trying to get behind a camel

[@kablah777]

@@ronalddavis I was being silly since the Phantoms 1st flight is listed as 1917 @2:01

[@MiguelJimenez-uc3yz]

@@kablah777 So was he. Don't you get it? He means that if it attempted to go slow enough to even get behind the Sopwith that the Phantom's jet engines would stall out

[@phyrr2]

F4 in 1917? No wonder the Germans lost!

[@orneryokinawan4529]

😂💀⚰

[@user-hr1uw4cj2z]

Jokes aside imagine F4 going more than mach 1 against triplanes hahah

[@V-V1875-h]

They never stood a chance man, that air support was different

[@toast2300]

@@V-V1875-h I am telling you man, AIM-7s work wonders against those triplanes

[@MyMorganBlack1]

Sounds an idea for a Final Countdown remake. Instead of a 80's supercarrier going back to WWII, we would have a 60's one going back to WWI Just imagine USS Forrestal at the Battle of Jutland

[@scrubadiver]

Little known fact, it is called the phantom due to its prolific use in 1917 compared to the ability of the camera technology of the era to be able to capture it during the dogfights. As camera technology improved in the 60's we were finally able to see what was roaming the skies for almost 50 yrs.

[@KoopaTroopa4]

LMAO

[@JM-nd9zf]

This isn't true

[@scrubadiver]

@@JM-nd9zf no shit?

[@TheBigRedOctopus]

Amazing that all these planes that flew against each other all managed to have kill ratios over 10:1

[@JROC734]

This is what I'm wondering. How does a Zero have a 12:1 kill ratio, while at the same time the Corsair has an 11:1 kill ratio and in 1943 the Hellcat had I think it said a 30:1 kill ratio against the Zero? Also the F86 and MIG 15 #'s seem to contradict one another. Some of these planes seem to have inflated #'s IMO. IDK, but where does the bulk of say the MIG 21 kills come from? Also I know of 4 American F14 kills so if the Iranian F14's have 160 kills then the total F14 kills would be at 164.

[@averagewso]

@@JROC734 I'm also doubting those F4 phantom kills from world war 1

[@joshuaamado559]

@@JROC734 because they shoot down bombers/transport aircraft too.

[@Rroff2]

Often there was another tier of aircraft which were the "meat grinder" more plentiful but not as powerful as the headline combat fighter for instance the Hurricane to the Spitfire (though their kill ratios were quite close) as well as bombers, logistics, reconnaissance, etc. aircraft as mentioned above.

[@alexanderschoneberg8610]

@@JROC734 Consider in WW2 were a lot participants with lower performing planes. The Zero for example got a lot of kills in the Invasion of China where they fought outdated Chinese Planes. Kill Count makes no difference if you Shoot down a equally able Fighter Plane or some 30 Year Old Close Air Support Plane, both count.

[@margaaltsachsin2069]

you forgot the Starfighter. 269 of them crashed and killed 116 pilots ....

[@HabszStadT]

The constructor became an ace by accident

[@Gamer_field]

That’s straight facts there

[@Gamer_field]

When the Germans bought the, the person that bought them who was from the German government well his son died in one of the, layer in the year or something

[@alessiodecarolis]

In early'60s E. Hartman was a general in the new Luftwaffe and tried to stop(in vain) the purchase of the F104s, the minister of defense labeled him as"not qualified" for the matter (!)

[@logoseven3365]

@@alessiodecarolis ...and he resigned in protest. History proved him correct.

[@manuelvalentin2648]

The BF109 is such badass fighter that even Darth Vader looks at it with admiration.

[@bogusmogus9551]

Too bad he couldnt fly one because he wouldnt fit in it. The cockpit is tiny.

[@JenniferWeis-h5y]

Star Wars I thought I was the only nerd lol

[@JenniferWeis-h5y]

I thought I was the only Star Wars nerd lol

[@Lukos0036]

Ah yes, the p51 Mustage. When your Mustang forgets to shave.

[@wyleeelpuppo4868]

Now that is a funny comment.

[@mozebyciowy]

Couldn't stop laughing.

[@bombedboomy1962]

Am I the only person who doesn’t understand this

[@wyleeelpuppo4868]

@@bombedboomy1962 It's an old quote from The Cosby Show.

[@Lukos0036]

@@bombedboomy1962 Typo in the text in the video called the P51 "Mustage" which sounds to my head like a portmanteau mustache and mustang.

[@Kevin-fj5oe]

from the kill alone, you can imagine the scale of ww2 air battle.

[@Vickzq]

Absolutely. And that's still very low compared to ground troops and navy.

[@thedanester4101]

Yea, is this the combined total of the amount of people killed by that type of aircraft? I'm very confused 🤔

[@ShaunHensley]

@@thedanester4101 A kill in dogfight terms is a downed aircraft, even when the pilot safely ejects

[@thedanester4101]

@@dylanwalter8307 I always assumed there were a lot more kills

[@108hindu]

@@thedanester4101 many kills were never tallied. There was a strict verification process. If possible, When there was doubt, there was a search of sorts for wreckage and the downed pilot.

[@acealtiier584]

The MiG-15 and Sabre entries are pretty contradictory..

[@goldenshark3182]

That’s what I was thinking, no way did the Mig-15 get that many Sabre kills.

[@Archer89201]

MiGs killed lots of bombers, prop fighters and early jets like f-80 and meteor beforw the F-86 came to challenge

[@Archer89201]

Also the first regiment of MiG-15s were flown by soviet veterans of WW2 including some aces so definitely they took heavy toll on allied planes, later when the newer regiment with less experienced soviet and the hastily trained and inexperienced Chinese / North Korean pilots went up against veteran pilots in sabres then the kill ratio reversed

[@GHOSTOFONYX10]

I think he substituted "Mig" and "Sabre" for aircraft

[@ZuNk]

@@goldenshark3182 No way did the sabres get that many mig kills :)

[@fsdds1488]

I love the fact that while everyone are talking about F-4, nobody realised that this guy uses scores from single air regiment to replace the combat performance of La-5, as if the 5th guard aviation regiment have all the 10000 La-5 ever produced.

[@jakubw.2779]

Ah yes, the legendary WWI aircraft F-4 Phantom II. It was truly ahead of its times in terms of carried ordinance and speed

[@spook9949]

Yep, they turned back to Propeller in WW2 because it was too strong

[@jeffreybrewer8649]

2:45 "F-86 Sabre shot down 792 MiGs for a loss of only 78 Sabres" 2:55 "The Soviets claimed to have downed over 600 Sabres" "A recent RAND report concluded that the actual kill:loss ratio of F-86 v MiG-15 was 1.8 to 1"

[@kyleminks6374]

Vietcong ground to air missiles: “I’ve downed so many bombers they left”

[@Person01234]

RAND is of course a think tank created by McDonnell Douglas. It's almost like there's propaganda or something. NGL 792 vs ~600 sounds like a plausible ratio to me at least.

[@krzysztofgawe1089]

It's a good example on how to manipulate data. Are US lying about lost planes? If that's so i think it makes a little diffrence. But the thing they allways forgot to tell is how many B29, P51, and other Pistone planes they lost because of MiG manace. Nobody's lying, they just allways forget tell all the truth. Both sides

[@alex987alex987]

@@krzysztofgawe1089 "Write more, why pity the heathen bastards?" -- Alexandr Suvorov, on the subject Turkish casualties in the report about Izmail fortress siege Overestimating enemy losses by at least 3 times is an ancient military tradition, it can be traced back to the earliest written sources available.

[@noneofyourbusiness9489]

@@Person01234 I worry about your reading comprehension. The RAND reported significantly downgraded the number of kills scored by US pilots. US kill figures are often inflated but loss figures are well documented. 600 Sabres lost in air to air is a laughable figure and clear communist propaganda.

[@Urmel331]

The Me262 killcount is absolutely astonishing, considering how short its service life was.

[@Spike-ey4bg]

And Hitler ordered that it be used in a bombing role/ground attack plane

[@kvakerbillduck9500]

Not realy, if you consider that me 262main target vere bombers, with guns less suited against fighters.

[@John15-v.5-8]

The Me262 was used as a bomber interceptor, ground attack aircraft, and somewhat of a night fighter. The Bf109-k4 and P51 could easily outturn the Me262. That’s why fighter units for Germany kept the k4. As for the 10 P51s that got shot down, just realize that if you’re a clueless pilot, and that thing comes behind the p51, its 30mm cannons are going to shred it apart. So I feel bad for those 10 pilots lol.

[@matrin2]

That's because this list is pretty suspect in it's ratios and it's kill claims. It seems like these are just face value wikipedia article kill claims that pilots made and anyone who has studied combat loss assessments will tell you, they are usually exaggerated pretty significantly. I mean the La-5 is a great example, in the video it says 128 kills and in the wiki article it says the 5th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment was one of the most successful, claiming 128 kills. Clearly not an exhaustive work of the confirmable kill counts or even total claimed counts. Still a neat video though, I won't deny that, but take most of these numbers with large grains of salt.

[@hayyanazzaky5504]

@Kaiser Von Bahr ll

[@BOMBON187]

My great grandfather was always proud to have shot down a F-4 Phantom with his Fokker Triplane. He received the Medal of Honor for that.

[@stevec.8411]

in videogames all things can happen...

[@simondavies4603]

My research concludes that the statistics here are highly questionable.

[@Ygorij]

The same. Massively produced fighter la-5 with over 6000 build during wartime, and only 128 kills, when a lot of aces fight on it? Same for p-39.Vice versa, for German plane seems, Dr Goebbels make statistics.

[@ENDZ_Tempest_Shadow]

@@Ygorij German aces kill counts are not exagerated if you try to imply that. It's also easy to see why it's entirely possible. German fighter pilots unlike U.S ones wheren't being sent home after a certain amount of missions flown. They stayed in service and continued flying until they died, which led to many german pilots achieving the ace status. And especially at the later stages of the war, the russian air space was crowded with targets so german pilots would very much pick their engagements. If you think it's all Nazi Propaganda , remember that there was also 1 Russian Kv2 tank that held back and knocked out an entire german Tank battalion or look up Audie Murphy. Crazy shit happens in war

[@philbrownsey-hughes2793]

agreed! very speculative on many of those! like where was the BF-109?

[@turdferguson4124]

I agree. Many of theses stats don’t seem to add up. How can the Japanese A6M Zero have a kill ratio of 12:1 if it only shot down 1,500 U.S. aircraft? The F4U Corsair and P38 Lightning each have over 2,000 kills and the Hellcat had over 5,200 kills.

[@carloschu7127]

Dont worry guys, WW III , is around the corner, and if Earth is still spinning after another great war, you can rewrite the new statistics.

[@gregthornton4209]

P-38: My Dad's plane ...today would have been his 98th Birthday. He was in the 475th with Bong and McGuire!!

[@ALWhite-ub1ye]

Yesterday would have been my grandmother's 98th, as well. She lost her fiance at Pearl Harbor and married an AAF veteran after the War. It's hard, knowing you'll never hear those stories in their voice, again.

[@fatboyrowing]

Men like your dad are responsible for a large number of people not speaking German. Bless him and the millions of other brave souls that stood up against tyranny in both theaters.

[@XyCTuK]

My grandfather flying on MiG-21

[@megasardines5558]

My great grandfather loves my grandma

[@kevinstraw3731]

Fuck ya man, we salute your gramps and 475th

[@Booster_ysh]

To think that one man shot down more planes than the entirety of F4s pilots is something

[@jpteknoman]

considering that the battles in WW2 were 150 vs 150 planes and often even more and all combat was at gun range where getting away was pretty hard, its normal to have pilots with dozens or even hundreds of kills. F-4s and other modern planes engage in long enough ranges that they often get to disengage and go home before they get close enough to be locked in a kill or die situation... and the number of planes taking part in combat is much smaller, considering the amount of weapons a modern plane can carry, often 4 or 8 are enough to get the job done when in WW2 you needed 15 B-17s with 60 P-51s as escort to get the same amount of bombs on target.

[@Inforadar-y3e]

@@jpteknoman yeah, for example, one phantom can hold 18,000 pounds of weapons, while the b17 could only hold 8000

[@jamesricker3997]

Most of his victories occured on the Eastern Front against poorly trained pilots. He missed the early phases of the war when the Germans were facing poorly trained pilots in horrible aircraft

[@Walker_62638]

Yeah, it was basically because the Germans at that time had excellent and almost unmatched aircraft but it was also because of the guy's skill.

[@Walker_62638]

@@jpteknoman normal, yeah would like to have you flying in the middle of machine gun fire from 50 bombers mate.

[@HalIOfFamer]

"sabre, around 900 kills and around 100 deaths" Mig 15 "killed 600 sabres" Bro took info from 2 parallel universes.

[@albertodonda5994]

About Me262, when I was young, books said "no documents because Germany was in the chaos... but may be around 100 kills". Then, after internet era, this number is constantly re-invented. After "flight simulator" it became 300-400. After recent IL2 game, it became 600-700. And now, after KZbin, I see is now 735!

[@azarisLP]

@@albertodonda5994 Some people say Me-262's are still circling over Germany, shooting down planes to this day.

[@waynemanning3262]

Most of his stats are very questionable

[@Phack00]

I also feel that this list is bullshit. Where are the German Fighters from WW1? Italian fighters from WW2?

[@ninjaanimationstudio5876]

If F4 Phantom appeared in 1917, then MIG15 fought literal sabers

[@grantspaete3677]

2:02 I’m just surprised the U.S. didn’t use the phantom in both world wars

[@TheCpadron19]

That's what i'm saying lmao

[@WhoIsTheEdman]

Well, for WW1, the innovative homing missiles developed by Lieutenant Henry D Sidewinder were rendered ineffective by the reduced heat signatures of the enemy's Fokker D.VIIs, and because the D.VII's maximum speed was well under the stall speed of the Phantom, it was impossible for the F4 to win in a turning battle with the D.VII even when the F4 had a gun, which it often went into service without. Gunpods were developed, but the combination of all those issues, along with outrageous fuel requirements and the need for smoothly paved runways meant that most F4s were used in reconnaissance roles, where pilots would accelerate to almost Mach 2 and move into an inverted dive to take photos of troop formations with the pilot using a Brownie camera. So, it's not like they were never used, it's just that their primary use didn't align with what would've been desired. Why they weren't more effective in World War 2 is kind of puzzling - again, there was the issue of the missiles being sub-optimal for low heat signature enemy aircraft, but by 1942 most of the F4s were being moved to service with external gunpods, so no problem there. The main issue here was that since the entire fleet was mothballed after 1918, there was a lack of operational competence with fielding the aircraft, and since it couldn't be designed to be launched (or land) from carriers, this limited its primary role to European theaters of combat, where fuel contamination fouled the engines of 35 percent of the aircraft they could muster, and without experienced mechanics, couldn't be fixed.. The remaining 65 percent of remaining arcraft took part in missions to avert V1 bombings, where their high speed and heat-seeking missiles were devastating against the new German weapon, but which didn't contribute significantly to air superiority.

[@TheCpadron19]

@@WhoIsTheEdman The fact you went so in-depth for a bunch of bullshit is impressive.

[@tomx641]

This is why the German's didn't use radar in WW2. RAF used the F4's ARMs to take out the radars.

[@rcstl8815]

@@WhoIsTheEdman Dude, it was a Polaroid Land camera, check your history.Other than that, your creative funny interpretation of history is appreciated!

[@Inquisitor6321]

Eric Hartmann's total of 352 victories is so mind boggling. MOST nations never had 352 planes in their air force registry, let alone loose them all to one man. What adds to how amazing this feat was, is that he got them all with the Bf-109. Those 7 American planes he shot down were all Mustangs. Four of which he got on one sortie. His combat debut was in October 1942 and he survived the war.

[@olegflyer]

Ну да, скромность не входила в число добродетелей Хартмана. Пишущей ручкой он орудовал явно успешнее, чем ручкой истребителя...

[@Paul_Maurone]

@@olegflyer I'm exactly sure about what you meant.

[@rogermunoz]

Oh yeah, germans casualties of eastern front represent more than 80 percentage of total. The batles of the eastern front are the majors batles of history in land and air.

[@H-cranky]

He went on to fly the f86 as well

[@dspsblyuth]

I’m pretty sure I’ve destroyed 400 planes in a sortie in one of the Ace Combat games. It’s not that far fetched

[@generalset]

Hartmann’s victory count was high but even crazier was the fact that Gerhard Barkhorn, the second best ace, got 301 victories (which is really impressive as well) they are the only pilots to achieve over 300 victories so not only was it really a race for third place, Hartmann’s still managed to get 51 more victories over the person who ever got “close” to his victory count.

[@airshark2764]

i doubt these men ever engaged in dogfights, they do hit and run without using tracers and never took a risk

[@nowanimportant8887]

@@airshark2764 Still doesn't take away from the fact that their skill as pilots is insane.

[@hansvonmannschaft9062]

@@airshark2764 They probably did engange in dogfights, and they were even probably shot down at least once, as I read about a German ace who escaped captivity to then get back in the air. The detail I'd humbly remark would be the fact that they actually *_survived_* the whole war, and began fighting from the (somewhat) early years. That was I believe, even a greater feat than achieving such a great kill amount.

[@lVideoWatcherl]

@@hansvonmannschaft9062 Well, the kill count gives an idea of the amount of danger the pilot was in during the war - a high air-to-air kill count, like with the fighter aces, means that the pilot was often in heavy air-to-air combat, otherwise he wouldn't even have that amount of targets. Pilots with lower counts could simply not have had the opportunity - but they of course also didn't have in any way a comparable amount of risk. So the survival is contextualized by the kill count, making it, I'd argue, even _more_ impressive.

[@e-curb]

When Gerhard Barkhorn was called up in the early 50s by the occupying powers to see if he wanted to join the new Luftwaffe, he quickly agreed. He was sent to England for training on the new aircraft. During an early flight he ran into trouble while attempting to land. He barely got it down, crashing it. He was able to climb out of the wreckage before it caught fire. Looking back at the plane, he was heard to say, "dreihundert und zwei".

[@TheCaesar88]

That thrilling moment in the video where you reach 6000 kills, there were already the Spitfire, P-51, Zero's, Hurricanes and others and you still have not seen any German prop

[@123kane5]

@The Caesar "the thrilling moment" I'm trying to understand your perspective, I cant. Personally I wouldn't take pride in a country lead by a nazi leader that caused the death and suffering of millions of innocent people, including civilians and military. Seems your political views are quite clear. You disgust me.

[@andrewince8824]

Roald Dahl, the much beloved childrens author, was an ace. Despite a disastrous start to his flying career when he crash landed his Gloster Gladiator in Libya causing quite a bit of damage to his person, Roald would return to the cockpit, this time flying a MK1 Hawker Hurricane. In this bird he'd fly in Greece fighting in the Battle of Athens. He served alongside Pat Pattle who sadly died during the Battle of Athens. Upon the loss of Greece, Dahl served from Haifa, Egypt.

[@ScumBunny]

Haifa is in Israel (then Palestine)

[@glrious132]

Oui

[@diacoal2433]

He tells the whole story in his book "Going Solo". A great read

[@Skonnchy]

Wow I had no idea he was a pilot let alone an ace. I remember enjoying a number of his books given to me by my father during my early childhood, good memories.

[@icouldbeanyone.9345]

He was also an Anti-Semite.

[@rolandhunter]

"The Bf-109? It's fits like a glove!" -Günther Rall, Bf-109 Ace.

[@WereWulf1981]

My favorite versions of the ME-109 were the G and K, specially the Me 109 K4! Oh man that one was a really bird of prey

[@alejandrobustos693]

@@WereWulf1981 bk.103 30 mm cannon,b-17s loved them.

[@kodalycat906]

For two of the greatest ever...Galland and St. Marseille

[@skarczew]

@@WereWulf1981 Gs, especially from G-5 onwards, were ugly as hell :P . Bulge here, bulge there... :P I prefer F versions - sleek, nimble, and deadly. Hans-Joachim Marseille would approve my words :) .

[@brandonstrife9738]

Gunther rall was shot down 9 times.

[@afenijmeijer9027]

Interesting but I would like to know what the sources are for these statistics.

[@rrice1705]

Same here. I have a feeling some of these are exaggerated "claimed" kills.

[@ranchhandrandy3213]

Same

[@davidkleinthefamousp]

As a longtime student I’ll confirm that these figures are generally accepted. The kraut got most of his shooting untrained soviets in dog airplanes. Bong likely did way more than 40 but USAAF rules of proof are strict.

[@itwoznotme]

its called guesswork! this is youtube......no facts required!

[@hagakure81]

@@rrice1705 Yea me too. The Sabre vs Mig-15 counts had me stop the video as it just doesn't make much sense. Its possible OP or his source has muddled Mig kills on Sabres with Mig kills against all aircraft types (say B-29's, F-80's etc), but Mig-15 claims of 600 Sabres downed while just before that stating that the Sabre killed 792 Migs for the loss of 78 Sabres really makes little sense. Heavy grain of salt required here I think.

[@B-A-L]

You can finally add the F-22 Balloon Buster to the list!

[@mibi2999]

An interesting fact: the F6F Hellcat, P47 Thunderbolt, and F4U Corsair all used the same engine, the R2800.

[@damocles5069]

Just in some point. Later Corsairs and it's variants got different engines up to the Korean War ^^

[@robertmaybeth3434]

double wasp? That's the one

[@danielsmith2253]

WoW..did not know that. thank you and dont you just Love airplanes? I can not get enough.

[@raindoset5408]

Didn't seem interesting to me

[@smoraptor]

As far as I know some bombers did as well. People do that a lot, even today. It's a lot better to take a proven engine design with all of the spare parts and experience than to make one for each aircraft model lol

[@RookFox]

Dude with 300 kills: exist Ace combat protagonist: pathetic

[@B3Nutzer]

2 german pilots have over 300 kills.

[@SupaMan2122]

ISAF right?

[@RookFox]

@@SupaMan2122 Mobius 1

[@robertc6381]

It's fake. Germans use different score system.

[@venomkg9723]

@@robertc6381 they Flew Every day, in 3years of war over 1k Sorties, makes 300+ kills realistic. Especially how Bubi flew.

[@hashirrehmat983]

This is what I want, next:tanks ranked by kills

[@binweizang2915]

Toyota killed the most

[@mrnorthz9373]

panzer 4 would be the winner probably. but the tank crews would be interesting

[@namakudhani1]

@@mrnorthz9373 yea panzer iv or stug, they got lots of kill notably in the eastern front

[@mrnorthz9373]

@@namakudhani1 ive heard it was panzer iv somewhere. and the most kd ratio is ferdinand i believe

[@colobopsis5685]

@@mrnorthz9373 well, if you only have less than a hundred vehicles you will get more kills, at least by scaling

[@jeremylong2797]

Ah yes famed f4f ace pilot, homer Simpson.

[@Oneshrimpyboi]

AND HE'S FLYING HIGHER, THE KING OF THE SKY! HE'S FLYING TO FAST AND HE'S FLYING TO HIGH! HIGHER, AN EYE FOR AN EYE, THE LEDGEND WILL NEVER DIE!

[@user-hr1uw4cj2z]

yes Ledgend

[@skibidabndada6683]

Underrated comment

[@ds_lyst05]

@XxVENOMxX Sabaton, that's all I have to say

[@lordterra1377]

Voss deserves a Sabaton song made for him.

[@dominicgarcia4048]

You just made my day

[@scotthix2926]

The most surprising number was the ME-262. With 700+ kills in a very short time frame. For it to not make a difference just shows how many allies planes there were.

[@KirbyTheEpic]

There were more than 15000 P-51s produced, over 10000 of both the b-17s and the b-24s… late in the war most of the 262 sorties were conducted with around 12-24 planes going up against 1000+ bomber formations with 1000+ fighters escorting them… this is kind of the reason why Germany bet everything on winning the war fast and didn’t really have any backup plan when that didn’t work out.

[@scotthix2926]

@@KirbyTheEpic that has always been the german strategy of war, fast quick powerful. Franco-prussian, WW1, and WW2.

[@Charlietolemy]

@@KirbyTheEpic that's been the german/prussian doctrine for a long time, it's called "war of movement", Prussia was in no position to fight a war of attrition due to their small size against France or Russia, but their doctrine helped them win alot of battles against them.

[@scotthix2926]

@Kek Gorilla he is in all the videos

[@spencerstevens2175]

WW2 production numbers were insane

[@YouGotPropofol]

“Kills”. Rest In Peace to all the young men who died in these planes. All sides.

[@nicholas6626]

Fighter pilots have a pride of sorts, they take pride in killing another pilot, knowing they bested them at their best. Its a sort of gentleman's duel. So it would be a hishonor to their legacies to beat around the bush.

[@kbonh22]

Not all actually killed the pilot, plenty of pilots were shot down multiple times and survived.

[@markcook4043]

A kill is a destruction of a enemy aircraft even if lands back to base and unrepairable. Many spitfires and hurricanes that fought in the battle of Britain returned with 20mm cannon shell damage so that's a kill pilots in WW2 where Knights in the air.

[@0451K]

Well, not the Nazis I hope.

[@gimlithebrave6354]

@@0451K Yes RIP to the young Germans too - plenty of young impressionable German men coerced into service by the powerful evil Nazi high command, not their fault their leaders were evil.

[@andibonfim1284]

Thanks for you Excellent work in this video ❗ 👊😎

[@Burninnapalm]

“F-86 Sabre shot down 792 MiG-15’s in the Korean War, losing only 78, a KDR of 10:1” *literally the next slide* “MiG-15 shot down over 600 sabers during the Korean War” Me: “uhhhhhhh something doesn’t add up here”

[@wymple09]

Because there were nowhere near 600 Sabres shot down. Not even 60.

[@azynkron]

@@wymple09 Really? Who told you? Kill counts will ALWAYS be rounded up, count possible kills e t c. And of course the other way for then enemy that will tone down the number of losses. 792 kills for the F-86 is complete BS.

[@wymple09]

@@azynkron Not as much BS as claiming 600 Sabres shot down.

[@Minuz1]

@@wymple09 Check the text under the MIG-15 slide, it shows a K:D ratio of F-86 1.8:1 MIG-15 (And it's an actual research)

[@hesoyam881]

He probably meant 600 aircraft and not sabres

[@AVlad-eg3ds]

Are you nuts? La-5 - 128 kills?! 5th GvIAP (5th Guards Figher Aviation Regiment as you call it) claimed 657 aircraft shot down (739 including those destroyed on ground) while losing 320 aircraft. Yes, not all wins and losses where while they were flying La-5s but most of the wins are. And yes, this is the unit that has most wins among all the regiments of Soviet Air Force during WWII. BUT! 5th GvIAP was not the only unit flying La-5. And other units had their wins too. P-39 - 149 kills?! Only 16th GvIAP had at least 3 times more than that (618 in total, but not all of them on P-39).100th GvIAP had 428 air kills. 104th GvIAP had 423 air kills. All of them on Aircobras. And there were more units, that were less effective, but still had air kills on there account. The same goes with Yak-3, though it is a late model and probably has less kills than any other main fighters of Eastern front. Yak-1, Yak-7 and Yak-9 are completely missed. As well as La-7 and LaGG-3. All of them have thousands of wins in total. Your video is a complete rubbish.

[@PolarizedMechs]

Yeah, those numbers are ridiculously low. The Russians did very well with their P-39s, and the La-5 was a pretty good aircraft.

[@dmitrytitov1133]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." (c)

[@AVlad-eg3ds]

@@dmitrytitov1133 totally agree. Modern West follows Goebbels practices up to the point.

[@bernardm2312]

Was the Yak-3 really far superior to the Spitfire and Mustang? I appreciate it's the opinion of one pilot but he was an ace.

[@ДенисС-п6щ]

Так точно. Только Покрышкин, Гулаев и Речкалов, летая в основном на Аэрокобре, сбили под две сотни вражеских самолетов, на троих.

[@munyos3592]

Saburo Sakai’s biggest achievement was not the fact he downed 60 fighters but the fact that he didn’t lose even one of his wingmen throughout over 200 times of fight. The time near the end of the war, in terms of the quantity and quality of fighters, it was almost impossible to even survive. Sakai showed his samurai soul not as the soldier of corrupt Japanese military but as one Japanese man.

[@muamero.8528]

Read his book, really joy to read!

[@PolarizedMechs]

And did his last two years in service with one eye, after nearly being killed at Guadalcanal. He was a hell of a man.

[@explorer1968]

He also was a gentleman in wartime since he refused to shoot civillians at all!

[@suchterlp86]

Hartmann hasn‘t lost a wingman too

[@sebastien3351]

Your last sentence sums it up very well!

[@petersteirer5728]

Wow! Like the other videos you've made, this was excellent. Thanks

[@AmazingViz]

Glad you like them! 😁😁

[@pbrstreetgang5314]

Fun Fact: There is some debate among WWI historians on how The Red Baron died, most believe he was killed by another fighter plane. Some researches have found that this might not be the case, there are records showing a British solider killed the Baron with a well aimed shot that hit the Baron's side while engaged in a dog fight at low altitude.

[@ianpodmore9666]

It was an Australian soldier.

[@roarkedunn2688]

The soldier in question was Argentinian, if I recall correctlt

[@darrellmatthies6895]

@@roarkedunn2688 Aussie's

[@darrellmatthies6895]

@Stefan W. Aussie's

[@brigadist1585]

Don't steal another Nation's glory, Tommy. It was an Australian MG-Shooter😉

[@litestuffllc7249]

It may be interesting to note that - the Me-262 achieved these numbers with a restriction by Hitler to allow only 2 experimental fighter wings. The rest of the 262s were allocated to bombing duties after Hitler delayed introduction by 6 months in order to allow the 262 to carry bombs. Also the much maligned Brewster Buffalo and F4 bobcat have very good kill numbers; while the Finish ace showed that the pilot has a great deal to do with the outcome of battle.

[@Kardia_of_Rhodes]

Don't forget doctrine, Finland got those kind of ratios by focussing mostly on intercept missions rather than trying to take the USSR head on in the air. Fight smart instead of hard.

[@ScottRKrol]

The most important aspect of the high kill ratio for Finnish Brewsters versus Allied was the climate. Brewsters performed completely different in the cold versus the tropics. Factor that with the pilots and the doctrines (most Soviet aircraft at the time didn't even have radios, they were using manual semaphore) and you end up with a crappy aircraft that managed to kick ass.

[@litestuffllc7249]

@@ScottRKrol So the cold; probably the altitude of operation also. The Finish had some much better fighters; 109s and Hurricanes but some how this buffalo was even more successful. Basic training - the Japanese in 1943 were much worse than their predecessors who had been well trained. I think early Soviet pilots likely were pretty poor like their ground troops in comparison to the Finns.

[@jameshenderson4876]

Interesting but untrue. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXW8eZdnhdqFa7c

[@kenmoeltner3311]

@@ScottRKrol The primary reason for the difference in performance was the version of the plane. The Finns had a much lighter version versus the US Navy kept adding requirements to the original design that added considerable weight. Things like self sealing fuel tanks, actually not a bad idea, but the Finnish version did not have all the additions.

[@eliharman]

"Respect my Authoritah!"- Erich Hartmann

[@ismu34]

mein

[@mikefelty2625]

And Eric Cartman is in the row below dressed as Hitler with Kyle, his Jewish friend next to him, and Kenny in the cockpit.🤣

[@Jack-id4qm]

Kyenny

[@thomass6434]

LoL

[@dahawk8574]

The Blonde Knight of South Park.

[@jrrboca5247]

Thanks for the valuable info. Appreciated. 🙂👍

[@ODST_Parker]

This really puts things in perspective. More modern air combat results in hundreds of kills in the most active conflicts, while WWII numbers in many tens of thousands. Such an unbelievable amount of loss, both aircraft and pilots.

[@ChiGyu620]

That's because modern air forces have far fewer planes than WW2 era air forces. Mainly because modern aircraft are exponentially more expensive. WW2 fighters are basically just an automobile engine shoved into a simple aluminum air frame. They can't compare to the highly sophisticated 100 million dollar jet fighters in use today.

[@peterclarke7240]

You don't say?!?! My god, it would NEVER have occurred to me that those were the reasons! I thought WW2 propeller pllanes made out of wood and canvas could EASILY be compared to modern jet fighters! Thank you SO MUCH for educating me and EVERYONE ON HERE with your exceptional insight and knowledge. You should write a book.

[@ObliviousBeast126]

@@peterclarke7240 That person was giving a genuine reason. Even if it's obvious to most, it's likely not obvious to everyone, so there's no need to be like that.

[@peterclarke7240]

@@ObliviousBeast126 Oh, I'm SO, SO sorry. Oh, the SHAME! oh the IGNOMY!!! Wherever shall I put my face?! Oh, the dishonour...

[@garethmurtagh2814]

The scale of the German scores emphasises the scale of the losses the USSR suffered in the early years of Barbarossa, at times they were sending up pilots who’d barely had any training. The Luftwaffe pilots themselves likened it to infanticide

[@raiderfandew]

These figures are, to say the least, highly questionable.

[@mj6463]

Those F 86 vs mig 15 numbers bro 😂 the info directly contradicts itself

[@-ruttley3457]

The figure for the LA5 are literally for only 1 fighter regiment

[@moffjerjerrod1579]

Stats are literally all over the place

[@madkills10]

Yeah the 262 with 1200 kills when they were such a rare plane

[@0Turbox]

@@madkills10 Where did you saw that number? I can see only 775 air victories.

[@arash2236]

F4 phantom: Haha I'm da best well known fighter Messerschmitt 109 and Erich Hartmann : sry , who is the best well known fighter?

[@Jasontvnd9]

Bit unfair though since the BF109 was doing great in Russia against inexperienced pilots in various underperforming yaks. The moment they came up against modern at the time British Spitfires and American Mustangs they where the inferior plane.

[@thegreatseprano9918]

@@Jasontvnd9 it is foolish to say the Bf-109 is an outright inferior plane to the Spitfire and P51, the Bf 109 could pull prolonged negative g manoeuvres that the spitfire couldn’tbut the spitfire could turn better, the P51 was faster but the Bf 109 was more agile. You can’t just subjectively say that one play is inferior to another.

[@constantinethegreat6713]

Hans-Joachim Marseilles: *Excuse me?*

[@ramirezyoutubeyt2373]

@@thegreatseprano9918 Ur Both Going to Argue each other?

[@CRENOKOGOD]

@@Jasontvnd9 late war German Air Force was full of inexperienced pilots as well so your reasoning can’t be used.

[@jamesbroughton7870]

Very interesting I liked and subscribed

[@AmazingViz]

Awesome, thank you! 😁👍

[@billmcsill4274]

Snoopy flying an F-4 Phantom is a terrifying thought. I'd put him up against any so-called ace.

[@Ned-Ryerson]

Don't forget those T-Rexes in F-14s!

[@PolarizedMechs]

Sadly Snoopy was limited by having Woodstock as his WSO. Poor bird couldn't see out of the cockpit.

[@Portrait_of_Stalin]

6:46 Kozhedub started fighting in 1943, so he could not participate in Operation Barbarossa in any way. It can also be noted that he also has two American P-51s on his account, which attacked him over Berlin in the 45th

[@Portrait_of_Stalin]

@@alnothere ?

[@Dejaelvicio507]

His squad continued to shoot down F-86s in Korea until they were replaced by inexperienced ones.

[@PolarizedMechs]

It's still questionable whether or not those were P-51s. The USAAF recorded no Mustangs lost on that date, and Kozedub himself wasn't sure.

[@Portrait_of_Stalin]

@@PolarizedMechs, those definitely were P-51s. We also have depositions of american pilots, shot down by "Focke-wolf with a red nose". Kozedub's La-7 and german Fw-190 look similar for unexperienced pilots, and a red nose is an element of standard soviet late-war camouflage. Moreover, we have Kozedub's report to his commandment and to special department (ancestor of KGB).

[@BlackMagick87plus1]

И все на фотопулемет запечатлено) Ещё автор про миги и сабры наврал. На берегу одной речки в Корее Ли Си Цины из далёкой северной страны похоронили в промышленных масштабах американские сабры и бомберы, после чего американцы даже боялись вылетать

[@grantss1]

It is sad that Homer Simpson is so maligned when it turns out he's a Wildcat ace. Time to show more respect for our veterans.

[@emjackson2289]

Its why he was selected for the astronaut programme instead of Barney Gumble.

[@JW-nx6hj]

The wildcat was a nice little plane that did the job

[@abercrombieblovs2042]

Actually there’s an episode that shows Homer’s father in the infantry, as a squad leader... so I don’t think Homer himself, nor his father really touched a plane during the war.

[@northerntruthseeker]

@@JW-nx6hj The wildcat was actually no aerial combat match to the ZERO.. But since it was an armoured aircraft compared to the flimsy design of the ZERO, it had a higher survivability rate and could endure dogfighting a lot longer than the ZERO..

[@frankiebishopaviation6489]

this is a cool video 👌🏼

[@felixu95]

Find it funny how the Mig-15 and F-86 sabre stats directly contradict one another. Were 78 Sabres lost or 600?

[@scottcrawford3745]

Was literally just looking for this comment so I didn't duplicate it. Rather a large contradiction/ disparity in those claimed kills... but then we all know about the Soviet Union's tendency to "embellish" their reports...

Possibly other aircrafts, there weren't only Sabres and MiGs in combat. Against MiGs, some "early" jet fighters such as the F-84 took a mauling...

[@PolarizedMechs]

Nobody really knows. Both sides were guilty of overclaiming. So neither side probably did as well as they thought.

[@rkalle66]

MIG got it kills before F-86F was deployed to Korea. And Sabre had its advantage as Soviet pilots aren't allowed to communicate in Russian pretending Chinese/N. Korean fighters. If you can't tell your wingman what to do ... Side fact: The US paid $ 100k to No Kum-sok defecting in a MIG-15. There was a reason.

[@felixu95]

@@rkalle66 And an F-86 airframe costs $500,000 US, and a peregrine falcon can dive at over 200 mph. Some wild cats poop amazing tasting coffee. What do those numbers have anything to do with 600 > 78?

[@mothersuperior7942]

The fact von Richthofen scored more kills than many WWII pilots in biplanes and triplanes shows exactly how good he was.

[@redskullz1249]

It's a little less impressive given that he was flying against other biplanes lol. Plenty of German aces in WWII overtook him. Allied pilots didn't rack up the kills the same way because they were periodically rotated away from the front, unlike German pilots.

[@kaneo6162]

Until he met Australians. Rommel had the same horror. And the Japanese had their first Land loss. You're just plain welcome, world.

[@vermas4654]

@@kaneo6162 'Stralia always had a habit of making things difficult for others. Only they can bring themselves down. Luckily for the world, they are entirely capable of doing that as well

[@leiaorgana5098]

@@vermas4654 We like to make alot of silly rules to keep us angry, that's the trick to our success... so far.

[@jeems2066]

@@redskullz1249 But if you consider the scale of the air battles in WW1 and WW2, the Red Baron was pretty damn good.

[@IrishCarney]

3:04 weird that they show this Italian plane with German markings. It was by far the most effective in Finnish service. The Finnish WW2-era roundrel was a blue swastika on a white circle so I get why the channel might avoid that, but why not the Italian markings?

[@DrunkenJoeh]

It's just the Luftwaffe's Balkenkreuz, which has nothing to do with the Nazis. You could say the same for the swastika on the Finnish planes since they predate the Nazi regime. But I get it since KZbin tends to be quite strict with those kinds of things.

[@wovaapeli]

@@DrunkenJoeh There is a swastika on the tail of Hartmanns plane.

[@AreeyaKKC]

Called the Hakaristi. It was the family emblem of the family that donated Finland their 1st aircraft in mid 1910s

[@Gun_Talk]

Those F4 phantoms ravaging the skies over France in World War 1

[@minegamer5680]

Erich got so many kills that he just paint his aircraft white so people can see how many kills he have.

[@gnosticbrian3980]

Claimed 'kills' and actual kills are not the same thing. In the Battle of Britain, German pilots claimed to have shot down three times as many British aeroplanes as were actually lost.

[@samuelgordino]

@@gnosticbrian3980 Same thing for the Allies. Overclaming happens in all air forces.

[@anomaly3055]

@@gnosticbrian3980 Germans would have had a solid chance to win the war if they had as many tigers as were claimed to be destroyed. Accuracy is never a priority for propaganda.

[@dusanokic869]

@@gnosticbrian3980 You should know that even Germans didnt believe Erich, so they had like special teams just watching Erich getting kills. So i believe that Erich had that many kills...

[@robertmaybeth3434]

...UND! He didn't even get started until 1942, yet.... If he'd been a night fighter or otherwise spent more time against the allied heavies, it's not as likely he'd have such a score but we will never know... Hartman avoided dogfighting. He also waited until "the enemy was filling my windscreen before opening fire" he believed in getting in close, very close

[@ronkaufhold6253]

F16: all together 76 kills Red Baron: Pathetic

[@ronkaufhold6253]

@Loli4lyf I don't want want and I hope I'm dead when ww3 starts. And WW3 will be fought witch internet and technology not so much with weapons

[@RotgerValdes]

Modern fighters just don't get enough targets

[@aliapraus117]

@@RotgerValdes Yup, air battles are rare when AA technology is so advanced.

[@kellymoulton3792]

Ahhh... but the F-16 is Still flying and the Red Baron, ummm... Isn't. 😉

[@aliapraus117]

@@kellymoulton3792 VERY good point.

[@lucascain8180]

the f4 performed a fly over at the signing of the treaty of Versailles ah yes

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

I love coming back to AmazingViz from time to time, old friends are the best friends.

[@Chreeeis]

The Sabre vs MiG was the most equal combat line-up in aviation history, and the most equally exaggerated.

[@randallturner9094]

The MiG-15 kill claims are almost 10x the total Sabre losses. They’re presenting them here as fact. And by total Sabre losses I mean public by US law data, pilot names, dates, etc. Soviets did the same thing with WWII kill claims. This video is garbage. Check the figures. It’s not controversial.

[@Kbcqw]

352 air kills by a single guy! Wow! What a legend.

[@AndrejMazak]

fo simple fact ignorants

[@alexandr8414]

В статистику немцев шли слова. Он вернулся с вылета и сказал: Я сбил 5 самолетов, именно столько ему и писали. Никаких подтверждений не требовалось. Он порой "сбивал" больше самолетов, чем было на этом участке фронта. Так что количество его побед можно смело делить на 5 или даже 10.

[@siralfred221]

Snoopy and his flying house lmao

[@kalpanaanubhav]

@XxVENOMxX What would happen if your country is charged with warcrimes for funding LeT, JeM and Taliban. Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan Zindabad. Haji Baloch Zindabad

[@cannedrice_]

@XxVENOMxX it's not a war crime if it's not wartime!

[@kalpanaanubhav]

@XxVENOMxX Let's say that it is a revenge for what ISI did in Kashmir. Btw if India manages to make Balochistan independent, then RAW would be in the big league with Mossad, ISI and FSB

[@mr.kittee9046]

@@kalpanaanubhav chill out and watch me commit Geneva Suggestion.

[@cannedrice_]

@XxVENOMxX thanks :D

[@streetmanz477]

Your short videos are pretty nice, i hope to see your channel get more views in the future

[@AmazingViz]

Glad you like them!

[@ronniefarnsworth6465]

In WWll US pilots were always rotated home to teach more pilots, test new aircraft and help the War effort home. They could never amass massive Kill totals like other nations. Semper Fi

[@LardGreystoke]

On the plus side, it was harder to get killed as well.

[@ronniefarnsworth6465]

@@LardGreystoke Yeah, sadly a handful of US aces died testing new aircraft, probably the best know was Richard Bong the 40 Kill P-38 Ace, he died in a crash testing the new P-80 Jet !!!

[@JamesinAZ]

@@ronniefarnsworth6465 Yeah. There's a memorial to him at the John Wayne Airport in Burbank, CA. Atleast there used to be, I don't know for sure anymore haven't been back there in years.

[@ronniefarnsworth6465]

@@JamesinAZ I Hope it is still there, but who knows in these sad "Antifa/Karen" times in CA. !!! Lol Hickok 45 thumbs up !! Semper Fi

[@JamesinAZ]

@@ronniefarnsworth6465 I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. It's why it's so important to remember our heritage and history and not get revisionist. In fact, that very memorial is where I found out about Maj. Bong and his feats in the South Pacific.

[@noastenalv1758]

I'm questioning the numbers for the P-39 and Yak-3, seems to be a bit low

[@childabusegaming5135]

I think the P39 number is only from aces listed on Wikipedia

[@noastenalv1758]

@@childabusegaming5135 propably, considering that Pokryshkin alone shot down 59 aircraft with his P-39

[@bradenehlke7652]

And also the la-5 considering one pilot alone has 60 kills

[@noastenalv1758]

@@bradenehlke7652 exactly

[@MDzmitry]

If the kills listed here were true, WW2 would've been lost. It was straight up idiotic to really put a P-39, "the top-scoring american fighter in history" at 130 something kills. 10 aces from a single soviet regiment (16 GIAP) shot down 219-220, and that's confirmed ones, not to mention the rest of the pilots

[@jeg5gom]

Darth Vader with the -109... PRICELESS!!

[@acmelka]

Homer Simpson w F4 Grumman

[@philostheodosius3281]

One fighter ace is missing: H.J. Marseille, at the age of 22 he shot down with his Messerschmitt Bf 109 around 158 British, French and US fighter planes in a time period of just 2 years. That's incredible!

[@titantanic7255]

The fact that a guy in a tri-plane from ww1 got more kills than everyone who used the F-16 altogether is insane

[@DavidJones-mn7ie]

Maybe you didn't realise that there was a world war going on at the time?

[@WaveForceful]

@@DavidJones-mn7ie Not just this, it shows how mass produced each plane was due to the need for them. For example, in 2019 the UK has 601 planes. The spirtfire shot down nealry 3x that in the war. It just shows that now were are in a time of relative peace, the need to produce vast numbers of planes is just not needed.

[@DavidJones-mn7ie]

@@WaveForceful It couldn't happen now even if a huge war started. WW1 planes would be built in days or weeks. Today's planes take many months or even years

[@WaveForceful]

@@DavidJones-mn7ie Yeah I dont think we have the industry anymore to build things such as planes or ships. I mean to build a modern carrier or destoyer is a multi year project. Carriers WWII were mostly battleships with the super structure replaced by a wooden runway. Even battleship could be build in relative little time. We have the industry for different things, mainly electronics and automobiles.

[@John15-v.5-8]

@@WaveForceful It’s not that we dont have the industry, its just the fact that carriers during world war 2 were not only significantly cheaper, but also no where near the size of our conventional nuclear powered carriers today.

[@LordBaldur]

So the thunderbolt had 3,752 kills while the lighting had 3,785 kills? That's very very frightening.

[@Mike-gt1cs]

Scaramouche, Scaramouche: will you do the fandango?

[@cristsan4171]

Trick: 1) gain altitude 2) drop down like lightning hitting your target hard 3) regain altitude 4) drop down like lightning on your target again 5) repeats

[@Cervando]

Galileo and Figaro were both magnifico pilots it would seem.

[@Hamann9631]

@@cristsan4171 Until some butthead general who won't be hurt demands his people sacrifce themselves to be honorable and not cowards. Those generals should be hung by their countries for war crimes.

[@fetusofetuso2122]

while FW190 and BF-109 had more than 40000 combined.

[@Jafes2011]

So you're saying that almost 5000 Yak-3s only did 273 kills in total, and Yak-9 (the main Soviet fighter of WW2, which was later used in Korean war) was not mentioned at all. Judging by your statistics, the Soviets absolutely lost the battle in the air, which led them to losing the war on the Eastern Front, Nazi Germany won, and now we are all living under the dominion of the German race in some alternative universe.

[@netyimeni169]

ja, Kamerad.

[@smokepeddler]

We are. USA foreign policy. Operation paperclip.

[@RacoonEars]

Советы сбивали самолёты танками. Ну или балалайками. Именно поэтому Рейхстаг штурмовали на боевых медведях. И без балалаек. Сложнейшая операция. Все знают что медведи не берут пассажиров без балалайки.

[@roskcity]

@@bomaniigloo seethe

[@willw6280]

Somehow 20,000 spitfire's only shot down 4000 planes according to this.

[@LawLinternets]

2:40 - "The Sabre shot down 792 MiGs for a loss of only 78 Sabres" *two second later* "The Soviets claimed to have downed over 600 Sabres" 🤔🤔🤔

[@siyns]

"the soviets have claimed" is not necesarrily the truth i suppose

[@Игорьсуздальский]

​@@siynssame with USA sources

[@Игорьсуздальский]

@@VladimirLabovic спасибо за поставки снарядов Украине , Косово должно быть независимым

[@VladimirLabovic]

@@Игорьсуздальский And you are Ukrainian... Are you a former Serb or a former Russian? Ukraine got its name from the Serbian Krajina people who moved there and formed New Serbia and Slavic Serbia, Ukrainians are not a special people, but an anti-Russian creation, just as the Croats are an anti-Serbian creation.

[@VladimirLabovic]

@@Игорьсуздальский And you are Ukrainian... Are you a former Serb or a former Russian? Ukraine got its name from the Serbian Krajina people who moved there and formed New Serbia and Slavic Serbia, Ukrainians are not a special people, but an anti-Russian creation, just as the Croats are an anti-Serbian creation.

[@craigwilkins4218]

You forgot William Avery 'Billy' Bishop. Topped the list of Canadians and was second among all Allied aces with 72 kills. He was officially credited with 72 victories, making him the top Canadian and British Empire ace of the war.

[@guestuser1671]

They also didn’t mention the many German WW2 aces with 40 or more confirmed kills. Hartmann stood out but he was far from the only one.

[@dad2162]

@@guestuser1671 he didn’t mention them because 99.9% were wholly unsubstantiated

[@naelius8521]

Gerhard barkhon made 301 kills for the Liftwaffe

[@saskafrass1985]

Wanted to add this myself. Good man from Owen Sound.

[@sheltr9735]

@@saskafrass1985 And a nice little airport!

[@ThePalaeontologist]

5:09 _I don't think the Empire had Wookiees in mind when they designed her Chewie_

[@dexfuris7724]

list of air to air combat kills: exist IL-2: im goona ruin this man whole career

[@200010michal]

@Infinity well, soviets called it flying coffin. They lost about 10 760 of them. Its armour is a myth.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@200010michal ... its* armour (it's = it is) ...

[@skarczew]

@Infinity Not "soo many". Il-2's losses are counted in thousands. K:D 760:10760 ratio does not look good for a fighter, and I don't believe the numbers anyway. According to the Wiki, Luftwaffe command claimed 6,900 Il-2s in 1943 and 7,300 in 1944, and I wonder how it was in other years. Over 36k produced, 10k lost, so where the other 26k went to? Btw, "flying tank" was a soviet propaganda slogan. Germans called it Zementbomber, because it flew like a brick.

[@skarczew]

@Infinity Hahaha xD .

[@UselessBlax]

@@200010michal ⬆️

[@cascadianrangers728]

I didn't know the me242 had so many victories, it must have the best ratio of kills per # of jets manufactured ever, because the aircraft was made in very small numbers for achieving so many air to air kills

[@raywhitehead730]

Most were US bombers shot down.

[@gordonbott7563]

I don't believe that 735 Allied planes were shot down by the Me 262. I have studied the operational record of this aircraft and the actual figure is approx half of that

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

Me 262*

[@MesCaLiN21]

@@gordonbott7563 I say exactly the opposite. It is very likely that the Me262 shot down significantly more than 735 aircraft. First you need to know the procedure for confirming an aircraft has been shot down. During the Second World War, aircraft being shot down were rarely reported over the radio, but only after a successful landing and then had to be confirmed by an officer. But especially in the Luftwaffe, many pilots never made it home. So it certainly happened often, especially towards the end of the war, that a pilot shot down aircraft but was no longer able to report these kills. And especially with the Me262, landing was the Archilles' heel because Allied fighters were circling at the airfields. Not to mention that many machines were lost due to technical problems. Therefore, operational records, if they survived the war at all, only show the absolute minimum number of kills and only of those who could report and certainly not even close to the actual number of kills. 1945 the chance of surviving a me262 run was maybe 1:4 or even less. So if there are 540, as i ve found in the net or 735/2 as u stated, confirmed or verifyable kills by the Me262 i´m pretty sure u can easily put some on top. Most of the Luftwaffe film footage was either destroyed or has not been released to this day. I remember how the Red Army completely destroyed the Luftwaffe's central archive at Tempelhof Airport in Berlin. They suspected riches behind an armored door and blew it open. In fact, thousands upon thousands of highly flammable film recordings were stored there. The fire lasted several days and destroyed everything. What a treasure of kill cam and experimental aircraft test flight recordings have been lost... Last but not least: You shouldn't forget that most of the kills done by Me262s were bomber kills. And these kills are of higher quality than fighter kills. These planes are much expensiver and more personel on board. It was also much more risky and skill needed to shot down a bomber out of the pulk. A single hit could take out a Me262 and usually the bombers were superior in numbers and escorted by fighter planes. Not to mention that the sky was swarmed by allied fighters in 1945 on the travel to the bombers AND on the way back to the airport. So even when its 735/2 or 540 it should count double^^

[@Soap.--]

​@@gordonbott7563an estimate is 500-1000 so putting in at 700 is a safe bet, its not lower

[@gmsniperx3623]

Love you vids!!!

[@gramps5595]

Of the 12 to 13 hundred pilots killed by the Sopwith Camel, approximately one third (c. 400) were the allied pilots who were killed in training by their unforgiving crate. Of its 18 foot length, the first seven feet comprised the pilot, controls, twin Vickers and ammunition, petrol and 9 cylinder rotary engine (pistons turning with the propellor around a fixed crankcase). This made it a volatile but most responsive fighter aircraft. It was simply the best of the allied 'turner burners'.

[@ericwilson8144]

Don't forget Hans-Ulrich Rudel credited with the destruction of 519 tanks, one battleship, one cruiser, 70 landing craft and 150 artillery emplacements.

[@KirbyTheEpic]

He was an ace to boot, with 7 kills! And a stark raving neonazi after the war who helped nazis flee to Argentina then ran for office in West Germany in a german nationalist party, but who’s watching? 😬

[@ivanovandriy8577]

Yes, yes, and Hitler was killed by saboteurs in the cinema, I saw Tarantino.

[@josephking6515]

And wasn't there about 700+ trucks as well and all in a Ju-87?

[@Ned-Ryerson]

@@tommykirk3403 Nope, he was pretty much that; the most successful flier of WWII. And a raving Nazi, not just neonazi.

[@ButscheSchmidt]

@@KirbyTheEpic Rudel was a Nazi not a Neonazi.

[@groam6666]

Fun fact, one of the reasons Germany had a lot of Ace's was because they never rotated their Ace's out. In contrast to the U.S., a good pilot after so many missions was sent to train new pilots.

[@briansiler7462]

And "Buy War Bond" rallies."Daddy Warbucks"needs the MONEY.

[@illegalewahrheiten2911]

Nothing to do with that. The US didn't need thousands of training instructors. If you fly with a 100 other guys and you encounter 10 German planes, it's hard to rack up a lot of kills. There is also a lot less incentive to build your skills. A German pilot was never lacking for targets, and he also needed to be a damn good pilot to survive in the air against numerical superiority.

[@vukbajic4904]

You must've spent a lot of time in this video, and it pays off. This is the most underrated channel that I have ever seen

[@UUUU-dn9wz]

Lol this video is bs

[@vukbajic4904]

@@UUUU-dn9wz why?

[@GötzVonBerlichingn]

@@vukbajic4904 incorrect information about plane's kills. And almost all of planes in this video are american. So it's to biased and one-sided video

[@vukbajic4904]

@@GötzVonBerlichingn I hate the US too, but the best ones are German, so why are u pissed?

[@panteleymonschekochikhin-k1978]

@@vukbajic4904 because the numbers are outright lies?

[@caspasesumo]

Can't comment on the statistics, but I thought the presentation was masterful.

[@TheBelrick]

The Battle for Germany cost the Allies 39000 aircraft and 88000 crewmen lives. It was a very expensive victory.

[@edelweiss-]

@@TheBelrick and also many tanks. Germany destroyed most tanks and planes in the war.

[@Alex205461]

Germany lost! That's the fact, rest just talking!))

[@aldoni5937]

3:34 Homer, you just had 1,327 kills d'oh!

[@brigadist1585]

Duff Beer makes real Heroes🍻

[@farimeraj7019]

15:00 omg i found my country pakistan

[@ElVerdeVida]

what about boeing 767 ??

[@deniswilliams2212]

Cold dude…

[@YaBoiFetz]

5:18 That is a Focke-Wulf Ta 152, not a FW 190

[@theholyinquisition389]

@XxVENOMxX Not really, while the Ta 152 is pretty similar to the FW 190 D models it is still a different aircraft

[@Vickzq]

You're right. First look it seems like FW190 Dora... but it's a TA152 H.

[@Poglavnik088]

Yup its a Ta 152

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

And It's supposed to be Interceptor

[@alessiodecarolis]

Yes, probabilly was the only German fighter really superior to the P51, luckyly about 100 were built btw March/April 1945, if I well remember only one sqn was fully equipped with it before the war ended. And they couldn't fly all of them for lack of fuel!

[@joonamikkonen_]

It always impresses no matter how greatest of any other kill ratios or how great soldiers or tankers or pilots Germany had: it never won enough. Battles may be won but in the end, they were too, humans only and they were by 1944 heavily outnumbered. Red Army had over twice as men in Eastern Front in 1944. And millions of more men poured into France by Western Allies and they had pretty much endless resources so needless to say they inevitable lost - but the damage done by the German Armed Forces was overwhelmingly massive that no human can imagine.

[@СссСсс-о6ы]

И финляндия , нагадив в штаны , предала своих союзников .теперь , внук предателей , подсчётами щанят . Финны всегда предают.

[@joonamikkonen_]

@@СссСсс-о6ы I literally have no idea what are you sayint.

[@Sterling_Silver04]

WWII especially, it was a numbers game. They simply didn't have enough manpower or resources at their disposal. I compare it to if the state of Montana tried to take over the entire United States. Germany isn't that big and towards the end of the war it was all about numbers. But yes, despite the odds I agree their force was quite impressive.

[@mohelemadembe2630]

This kill count is false make the Americans to have the biggest share the phantom never had more kills than the French mirage uncle Sam deceiver

[@акула_черная]

@@Sterling_Silver04 Ты только численность немецких войск считаешь?А как-же венгры,румыны,итальянцы,австрийцы,чехи,словаки,ФРАНЦУЗЫ,испанцы,финны,норвежцы.Все эти перечисленные отправляли в вермахт целые дивизии,а отдельные представители и армии.

[@Merecir]

No country flying Saab aircraft has ever been attacked. The fear factor is real.

[@rbilleaud]

No one has attacked Sweden in a very long time. Has little to do with what aircraft they fly.

[@alexandermiles2890]

@@rbilleaud Anyone conquring Sweden would be faced with a socialist everyone loves anyone pacifist mess. They'd be kissed and hugged to death and then hit for taxes and child support!

[@Merecir]

@@rbilleaud Soviet war plans says otherwise. When the Swedish Air Force had number that made it the fourth largest in the world their plan was to go around Sweden in case of ww3.

[@tarpattituopponen7783]

Maybe it’s because only peaceful nations are buying them. Jokes aside it’s a good fighter. Maybe not the plane itself but with the same money you can achieve much more. Easy maintenance, cheap operation and quick turnaround. Finland is buying either F35 or Gripen. Unfortunately I think it’s going to be F35. Air Force wants always the best toy out there.

[@datadavis]

@@alexandermiles2890 yea it's a nightmare. But living here cultivates my hate for my fellow enemy countryhen(we cant say men anymore, its transphobix hate speech or some shit) and thats good.

[@icemanstg]

Ace with 40 kills - OMG - what a hero. Hartmann, Barkhorn & Rall: "Hold my beer" 😂

[@mibraheem2263]

I was searching for the 109 and thought they missed it but guess what its the top fragger

[@indigosumo1994]

It was the last one

[@PyroBlonde7777]

The Germans got the majority of their kills against poorly trained Russian pilots in out dated aircraft. You'll notice even the most decorated German Ace only shot down a hand full of American aircraft.

[@jamesjack6769]

@@PyroBlonde7777 A lot of Soviet pilots were flying American aircraft.

[@PyroBlonde7777]

@@jamesjack6769 and yet the point stands.

[@jamesjack6769]

@@PyroBlonde7777 Bär and Priller ,to name but two , had nearly two hundred kills between them, all against western opponents. If you say that it was mostly RAF types you'd be correct as the Americans were a bit tardy getting into the fight. 😁

[@netsuwan_praphot]

"There was no victory without sacrifice"

[@e.jisaac2365]

Victor reznov?

[@TheJokie83]

Archibald Witwicky

[@alexm7627]

Jesus is the embodiment of that

[@ivanovandriy8577]

@Glitch Bumblebee, of course.

[@lucasproductions2260]

5:19 kenny is a luftwaffe fighter ace lol

[@Vasili_the_cat]

like Porco Ross IJN pilot)

[@nasp669]

The germans really know how to fly

[@nightsilencer9224]

The Germans knew well how to inflate their victory accounts. The “victories” of German pilots on the northern front are indicative, 5-7 per day for each... when Soviet aviation did not take to the air at all due to snowstorms. As they say, the absence of an enemy in the air is not a reason to give up an extra victory. And the accounts of the German super-aces are generally inflated simply by the system of photographic recording of these “victories” - a camera synchronized with the gun captured the hit, plus the score. But the enemy is not shot down at all, and the next round of fire on the same plane is again a new “victory”. This is how they made 5-10 from one shot down. And sometimes they didn’t knock down at all, but this is not a reason to refuse to increase the score.

[@roozbehabtahi4146]

​@@nightsilencer9224so much BS in a single paragraph.

[@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373]

Yes ,one of them killed 100 school children when he commited sucide in the Alps

[@jkobstube4314]

The red baron had 80 confirmed kills in a WW1 plane! Those things where literally made out of cardboard, that's insane

[@dumbdemolition1012]

Cardboard, paper, wood, and stick grenades for bombs

[@lemomannmusicproductions4074]

If we are taking "literally" seriously, it wasn't cardboard, but canvas. Not less impressive in the slightest, I'd just like to point out.

[@rikk319]

Wood and canvas, wires to keep the wings stiff, and a rotating engine that made it easier to bank in one direction than another. And no parachutes.

[@cheesefrogsnail]

Yes and René Fonck the french ace of WWI had 75 confirmed victories. The counting method on the french side was tougher than the german one as 3 witnesses outside the squadron were needed to grant a victory on the french side. The red Baron was killed in 1918 after all, meanwhile René Fonck never got a single bullet into himself or his plane. Sidemen of the french ace said he was "not human" as ennemies were down before they knew he was there. He killed up to 6 german planes in a single day (twice).

[@24YOA]

No they """literally""" weren't lol