AMD announces new CPUs... Intel should be worried

[@Cool-kk2vl]

I think the best part about zen5 is that amd doesn't increase max boost frequency and any cache, but somehow increase big performance and more power efficient. that's amazing

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

Intel just keeps adding more and more power to their cpu's thinking it makes it better -_-

[@rudrasingh6354]

A few months ago leaks suggested Zen5 struggled to get same clocks as Zen4 and even thought we might see lower clocks. The fact they managed to squeeze them out to the same clocks as Zen4 while keeping or increasing efficiency is amazing. Zen 6 should hopefully get more clocks with power efficiency still, compared to Intel. What's also good about Zen5 is the reduced chiplet latency. That's huge. Should improve gaming performance if someone gets a 12 core or 16 core cpu. Might even mean double x3d chiplets (probably not)

[@ldope3904]

Intel making my CPU coolers work overtime

[@JButterZJ]

I dont call 16% average big. COS that IS what IT boils down too And MHz overclocking speeds only stable at 6)6400 for years was a Joke anyways I Like AMD but people today dont understand that after the CPU the RAM comes and helps the CPU And the RAM speeds AMD supported dont Help any CPU and are way more instabile than even Intels oc 8400 which was crazy anyways. Lets pray the New Boards and CPUs are stable cause Performance inst AMDs Problem IT Always was stability and fuckups

[@sengan2475]

​@@JButterZJ16% is bigger than zen 4 IPC gain over zen 3

[@Overonator]

I wish AMD was as strong in GPU space as they are in the CPU space.

[@JellyLancelot]

My last upgrade was from a 980Ti to a 7900XT, I love it. And as with all AMD GPU’s, it ages like fine wine. Don’t miss the green offerings at all. Their Radeon software is also leagues ahead of Nvidias software offering.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@JellyLancelotTechnology doesn’t age like fine wine. If they did you would never have to upgrade because older GPU’s would be faster than new ones as that is how wine works.

[@bigbob3772]

My Power Color RD LE 7900xtx is amazing, Its hangs with a 4090, but RT is still NVidia's domain-for now. 4090 is not worth more than double the price for a few % faster . AMD GPUs are wonderful, don't let fanboys think otherwise. And I am NOT a fanboy, I want fast and a good value proposition.

[@transient_]

Yes, because competition would maybe lower prices. No, because we don''t want another Intel.

[@lennyvalentin6485]

Aye! That said, the 7900XTX is a really strong GPU, and after AMD got their idle power draw under control (only took a year!), and now more recently, fixed the random driver reset problems I was having (only took a year and a half!), it's a really nice GPU. You should be able to get it for less than a 4080 too.

[@CliffB1G]

Gotta love the AMD currently doesn't know what end of life is and keep dropping CPU for a "dead-end" platform. Thank you Dr. Lisa Su Edit: To everyone who like this comments; Thank you and hope something Good happen for you or to you. Also you might want to avoid the replies.

[@Riyozsu]

Amd is that friend that stays with you while you are tying your shoes while the rest of friends move away without looking back.

[@Fatal_Inertia]

Common Lisa Su W

[@brandonhoffman4712]

​@@KozureOkami888 So how did the 5800xt and 5900xt hold intel to the wall?

[@selohcin]

AMD's great CPU options don't make up for their absolute ripoffs in the GPU sector!

[@brandonhoffman4712]

​@@Riyozsu I love this sentiment! Although i wouldnt spend $360 on a dead end. I would be one of the kids that moved along. Im currently hanging out with my intel i7 3820 4core HEDT processor buddy while it ties its shoes. He's an OG by tech standards, his socket is a forgotten memory to most but me, the x79 chipset. My goal was a 10 year PC. Now HEDT is priced outside a feasible model for doing this. My processor was $440 on sale, now its $2,000 for HEDT...

[@icecube3618]

What AMD is doing is great fir gamers. The fact that they are willing to keep a socket around for 10 years is incredible and makes me hope that AM5 will Get the same treatment as AM4 when and rolls out the AM6 socket. Also continueing to devope CPUs for a last gen architecture shows their commitment to long lasting support, which I hope will also be given to AM5

[@snails6997]

Yeah. At this point, AM4 guys might have enough fuel to go for straight jump AM6. Just like AM5 to AM7.

[@ejtaylor73]

Or is it their commitment to money? They probably had a bunch of silicon left over and binned them down to squeeze every last drop of cash out of it as possible. No, I don't blame them, that's business, and I'm not saying that's a negative thing for them to do, as it does help/benefit the consumer also. Yes, it is amazing to see a socket stick around for so long, and I will probably be one of those that jumps from AM4 to AM6 or 7, my current AM4 does everything I need it to, so no need to upgrade.

[@Neonmirrorblack]

They likely didn't really develop "new" chips, but instead used previously binned chips that didn't really meet a specific spec. It's likely just a rebranding of weaker chips.

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

“Great *fir* gamers”? What is a *fir* ? 😂😂😂

[@MainBrainDaneInsane]

@@Digikidthevoiceofreason they're just a different branch of gamers. We shouldn't arbor any fell thoughts of them and tree them with respect. 😁

[@KillaGorilla-l7z]

9700x only 65w from 105w in previous generations is crazy.

[@2EZTim]

I can't wait to upgrade to it from the 7700x to pair with my 4080 super

[@kevincampbell989]

Love to see it.

[@2EZTim]

@@kevincampbell989 That pairing is gonna go crazy right???

[@MerrillDragonAge]

The 5700X is also 65W

[@shrekoc5570]

I think the fact that the 7700X and 5800X were 105W but offered barely any additional performance of the refreshed 7700 and 5700X models is what's crazy. I'm glad AMD has come to their senses for this launch.

[@xer0334]

The average is actually 16.9% according to their graph so they are being modest by rounding down

[@AlicksL.S.]

That 9700x WILL be extremely popular in the sff pc community I bet you

[@ArdentMoogle]

Yeah 16 thread 65w is crazy for SFF

[@karanKarnani]

Sorry for my ignorance but what is SFF?

[@microjet9563]

@@karanKarnani it stands for Small Form Factor for PC cases.

[@bocimino463]

You called it. I'd use it if I didn't need more than 2 sata devices. One problem with socket AM5 boards I've found is the shortage of storage ports. The ones I've found were single NVME and 2 SATA. My SFF needs 3 drives and the nvme.

[@Brunark]

I was just eyeing it on seeing 65w only too. Def a candidate for my next SFF downsize

[@f688xt6]

Either way, this is great news for builders. AM4 is still a relevant platform, and AM5 is going to be supported and continues to push the cutting edge. Now, we need to see some builds with the media outlets, like you Jay.

[@raven4k998]

Intel's working on a new CPU architecture but it takes time to design it so for now they are doing what they can to shore up the old I series chips till the new chips are ready for debut

[@drunkhusband6257]

Let's be honest here, cpus just aren't advancing as fast as they used to. Pretty much anyone who has a late gen zen 4 cpu or a 12th gen Intel or beyond will be fine for quite a looong time.

[@akin242002]

On the flip side, you can get a good CPU at discount price from Intel 13th gen or AMD Ryzen 7 7000s series.

[@10th_Doctor]

Exactly, that's why I bought an i7-13700k instead of paying a couple hundred more for a 14700. My 3090 and 13700 should last me a lot longer than the i5-6600k I replaced. I could still play demanding games on the 6600 I just figured it was time for a major upgrade since it was holding my 3090 back.

[@RuiN4265]

That's because were getting closer to the limits of silicon

[@messiahmozgus]

I assume my zen 5800x is still gonna be my am4 limit, budget wise?

[@BigDrewski1000]

​@@messiahmozgus Depending on your use case, yes. That chip should last for quite a few more years tbh.

[@shiftyhoot]

Wdym intel should be worried ? Intel didn't have answer since ryzen 3XXX series, they already behind, so what to worry if you already behind

[@WhiteHawk77]

I’m waiting for the 9000X3D chips and Nvidia 5000 GPU’s and then I’ll be going all out.

[@RenpySage]

Let us know how many kins u sold to afford that rtx 5069 ultra ti super (jk)

[@2bnator]

how long does it usually take for these to come out? I mean the 3D chips

[@biomechanism1]

@@RenpySagewill it have 8 gb of vram?

[@XxAtomic646xX]

@@2bnator will release jan 2025

[@2bnator]

@@XxAtomic646xX nice, my apprenticeship starts in august, so i still got time to save up

[@MrHav1k]

Your move Intel. I think they'll have something very impressive with Arrow Lake later this year. I think they've had enough with the "space heater" comments. Going from 7nm to 3/2nm is gonna be a massive jump for them.

[@bobnope2732]

Just picked up a 7800x3d, you’re welcome, y’all.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Huh?

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

​@@NBWDOUGHBOYhe's saying it's not over 9000

[@lukegreen2147]

I got one at the start of this year, best Decision I ever made

[@foxthroat3410]

my 5820k died couple weeks ago after 8-9 years of service, then bought a 7800X3D. Love it.

[@Renegade_Rabryn]

I just picked one up too 😮

[@gscurd75]

10:00 To be fair, 14 gen is just binned 13th gen so you can't really say they used the socket for 3 generations when one of those generations is exactly the same but with slightly higher clock speeds.

[@justacollegestudent5147]

And 13th gen was a basic clock speed increase. Frankly it shouldn’t be considered more than a one gen socket. Even saying a 1.5 gen socket is way too generous.

[@thetruestar6348]

They need to do something about motherboard prices

[@sonofanewok751]

Indeed!!!!!

[@tlv8555]

Decent B650 boards cost $150-200, thats more than reasonable.

[@Bigdog1787]

They are getting expensive because ddr5 is not easy to support the amount of data they need to pass through the board. That's why things are getting expensive now.

[@Riyozsu]

With 800 chipsets, 600 'should' start dropping in couple of weeks

[@offcourtcity]

bought colorful b650m last october no worries so far.

[@Aative]

This is why I went with a 7600X a year ago. AMD has proven that they keep a platform around for a long time, and I'm starting to get to the point where (for some video content) I would want to upgrade my CPU to a Ryzen 7 or 9 class of a newer gen and upgrade the cooler but have the option of keeping the motherboard for a transition period.

[@CaptainSwag101]

I am very satisfied by Zen 5 being on AM5, supporting PCIe 5 and DDR5. Fives all around.

[@mfrunyan]

then you can add a 5-series Nvidia GPU

[@mikiehill67]

Yo I'm still on AM4. I run a Ryzen 7 5700x. I love that they are making more Ryzen 5000 CPUs. I have a lot of good CPUs to pick from when I want to upgrade. The best part is that they will still be good and relevant. LOL

[@brandonhoffman4712]

I can still game on my 12 year old intel i7 3820 HEDT processor. I call it relevant enough. Not for anything competitive though. My ps5 blows its doors off and was like 1/4 of the price, thanks to console wars, it does stay competitive!

[@jamesgodfrey1322]

I drop a 5800X3D into my AM4 motherboard well worth doing

[@erickruse4679]

@@jamesgodfrey1322 Ya, the new AM4 offerings don't appear to be faster than my 5800X3d, and they are only 75mhz faster than my 5800x out of the box. My 5800x does 4725 all-cores just plugging it in. Notice they don't use any comparisons to what's already available, rather they cross the isle. A 5950X3d would have mattered for the platform...

[@chs_ambs8356]

X570 + 5800X3D. My only regret is I should have gone with a B550. I'm building a second PC next year and will let my son use this one. I'm definitely getting a B650.

[@mikiehill67]

@@chs_ambs8356 I already have a B550 motherboard so I can just upgrade to the 5800X3D from my 5700X

[@dave9785]

Now I realize I made a really good choice by going with AMD over Intel's CPU...

[@saricubra2867]

Intel only makes sense for few particular models that don't have AMD equivalents, like my i7-12700K and i5-13600K AMD simply has better lineups.

[@thezfunk]

Intel hasn't been the way to go for gaming in quite a few years.

[@brandonhoffman4712]

My how the tables turn. Intel forced AMD to run to TSMC long ago because it couldnt keep up. Now the tide has shifted and intel needs government subsidies because it cant keep up. And is running to TSMC for help as well...

[@MrHav1k]

@@brandonhoffman4712 Intel actually did that back when they couldn't get 10nm working, now they've gotten all of that working and are back to making new nodes, but they're sunk costed into those TSMC wafers so they gotta use them. They actually plan on buying less TSMC wafers by 2026.

[@kor-cv9uz]

ROFL ooh really hows that

[@FlyingShoe]

About the BIOS thing... I recently rebuilt an old PC that has a Gigabyte x370 K7. It has version F51i that's running a Ryzen 1800x. The BIOS currently being run was released 02/2023 (after 5800X3D support being added). Next one for that board is 03/2024, just haven't updated to it yet.

[@Retadin]

I still maintain Asux is why you had so many issues with your AMD rig.

[@drkskwlkr]

You might be onto something there.

[@hongchengzhang307]

我也这么觉得

[@НААТ]

my asus b650e-f is perfect. managed to overclock my amd 7600x to 5.65ghz all core and my ram from 6000cl30 to 6400cl30 1:1 mode.

[@ZackSNetwork]

Not true I never had problems with AMD on an Asus motherboard.

[@drRangowsky]

I am on my 4th Asus board in 6 months... Prime b550m broke every time after any Windows update... Bought a Asrock board instead, same shit, but this time iz came dead... Bad luck for me, not blaming AMD for IT!!!!!!

[@DJSammy69.]

AMD is on fire in a good way! Those 65w cpus are gonna be awesome. And that AM4 still supported with new-ish cpus is epic.

[@thewildcard600]

they could have gone for the "5950 non x" naming for marketing reasons but they did the opposite. i respect that

[@smahon23]

on fire is right and not in the good way

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

tbh that 5.5 ghz 8 cores at 65w is beyond insane supposedly par w 14700k

[@Sybertek]

Long live AM4!

[@Riyozsu]

It's almost immortal now

[@snails6997]

...may its reign shall be long.

[@BlizzardWind99]

The new dark lord (sorry watch too much TLOTR)

[@selohcin]

@@snails6997 Its reign has already been very, very long.

[@jamesm568]

AM4 works with a 4090 just fine. I didn't trust the AM5 first gen.

[@xnonsuchx]

SMT is the generic term for multi-threading, not just AMD’s term. IBM also just uses SMT for its 4 or 8 thread per core POWER CPUs.

[@SlyNine]

If you watch this channel enough you notice Jay just says nonsense a lot. One time he claimed SSR just flips the image upside down. He also started messing with the bios flash buttons while a computer was running. Then it wouldn't boot and he wondered why.

[@CantankerousDave]

Symmetrical multithreading was the term for it waaaaay back in the days of the Amiga, so 30+ years.

[@lu34lyf]

@@SlyNine 🤣🤦

[@JDs_RandomHandle]

I'm still rocking an 1800x with no issues. My 1080ti is showing it's age but I can play the games I like at the settings I don't mind so, no new computer for me.

[@BeB02090]

Longevity FTW. Nice! Man, when you finally upgrade it's going to be awesome.

[@Slane583]

My nephew is still using the computer I originally built for his father in 2019 which has a Ryzen 1600 on a ASRock B450 board. This past Xmas I got him an RX 6650XT to upgrade him from my old R9 Fury he was using. The new graphics card alone helped boost his fps more. Eventually some extra ram will help him out when it comes to editing his videos. Luckily he doesn't want anything new unless he knows he'll get a performance gain that'll help his productivity. Shiny lights and fancy colors aren't his thing, he goes for functionality. :)

[@prdx8543]

Don't worry.. when the time comes, just get a 5800X3D and you are set. No need to buy lots of new stuffs.

[@longjohn526]

@@Slane583 I swear RGB lighting and software is the cause of 50% of gaming problems. I see it all the time on Steam forums where tons of people are having problems with new game like Horizon Forbidden West or Ghost of Tsushima where I have none of their problems because I purposely built this system to be RGB free. I even got a solid side case instead of windowed because after building PCs on the x86/X64 platform for the last 36 years I long ago stopped being fascinated with what the inside of a PC looks like. I'm still on the Windows 10 install from when the PC was new in July 2020 and it's stable as a rock because I don't do all the stupid tweaks many of which haven't been relevant since Windows XP such as manually setting the Page File size because as long as you have enough free drive space Windows will manage it just fine even with modded Skyrim wanting as much as 48 GB Windows will parcel it out just fine

[@Slane583]

@@prdx8543 That's what I'd like to do with my 3700X in my second system. I'd like to replace it with a 5700X3D. I built that out of all of the old parts from my main system. I'd like to give the 3700X to my nephew eventually to make his computer better. :)

[@wolf1438]

with AMD crossgeneration support AMD should put in to mandatory all motherboard manufacturers to have built in bios flash option without needing to have CPU installed.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

some have but really its scary to flash wo screen lol

[@elchancho8432]

This is why competition is great Can’t wait to see what Intel has in stock

[@Doflaminguard]

6ghz 300w CPU.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

More like 500w i9 15900k

[@rudrasingh6354]

It's hilarious the 14900KS guzzles more power than most GPUs

[@Herbertti3]

Intel oven™

[@nipa5961]

6.3GHz "15th gen" at 450W.

[@rogerpearson9081]

I am maintaining my admiration of AMD from when they first brought out the dual core chip. I built a system for a friend with a mirrored RAID and it was so visibly faster and smoother that I never considered a single core chip again. Being able to increase IPC without having a hotplate CPU with a ridiculous TDP is also a huge winner for me. Bringing out new chips for AM4 is a master stroke. I would consider updating my Ryzen 5 3600X CPU and that is one of the advantages of AM4 longevity vs the 6 month life of Intel sockets. Nobody wants something that will be outdated when they want to upgrade to a better chip 2 years down the track when it becomes affordable only to find nothing available. AM4 is still worthwhile if you want a good system vs bleeding edge and a long life for lower powered budget jobs like NAS boxes etc. Long live AM4!

[@HalfUnder]

It's gonna be interesting to see how the 9900x runs. The 7900x had a 170w top and the 9900x now has a 120w tdp

[@brandonhoffman4712]

Sounds like PC's are reverse trending on the space heater front! Mine literally has a radiator larger than my cars heater. When it runs so does the cold.

[@HalfUnder]

@brandonhoffman4712 I got fairly lucky silicon lottery wise with my 7900x. During winter it'll idle around 40c and in summer around 43c just on a 420mm aio. So similar or better performance but with 50 watts less tdp....I won't complain at all. Well I'll complain when Asus drops the x870e extreme board and decides they're gonna charge 2k for it this time around.

[@jondonnelly3]

Mine is lovely does 4.6GHz all cores, all day long. I still getting the 9950X. ​@@HalfUnder

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

TDP means nothing. Actual power usage is more important.

[@craigjoe8691]

I was on the market for 5800x3D now ill have to reconsider

[@HosakaBlood]

dont trust amd number pretty sure those 9000 gonna be worse in gaming tha the actual 70003d same happen when amd annouce 7800x3d they say was 31% faster than 13900k and end up being only 4% on avg from hardware unbox review

[@saricubra2867]

​@@HosakaBloodWith a 16% IPC increase it will be faster than Zen 4 X3D without gimmicks.

[@Basti12293]

Which processor are you using currently?

[@mrazbyte3150]

Haha, I went from a 2600 to a 5600 just recently.

[@richard-davies]

​@@saricubra2867 Depending on the game the regular 9000X should be on par with the 7000X3D ones in gaming, it's the 9000X3D ones which will be the proper 7000X3D successor. Those 9000X3D chips depending on the game you can most likely add another 10% to 15% performance uplift for gaming over the 9000X.

[@PindleofKujata]

I'm glad I bought my AM5 platform on Black Friday. My MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk will be good for a long while. Dropping a new CPU into my board in 3 years and extending the life of my computer will be great.

[@MrJwyne]

Exactly!

[@BiscuitBarrel179]

I got a B650 Tomohawk last year as well (7700x) thinking at the end of 2025 getting the latest and greatest CPU. Now I have even more time to decide if and when to upgrade.

[@delanescott7872]

i built my computer back in like 2019 or 2020 im about to drop that 5900xt in it as soon as it drop!!!!

[@Bound4Earth]

This is what I expected from Intel when they replaced the CEO with an engineer. I really hope something like this is in their pipeline. I know they cannot just repeat what they did with the Core2Duo because they have no mobile chip to convert especially because AMD already matching or beating them in laptops, but they need to do something. AMD jumped up power and heat with the Ryzen 7000, but continue to drop power use and heat every gen which Intel hasn't done any generation to compete. They overclock it similar to Pentium Xtreme 4 when they failed to compete. I want that old innovative Intel back and I hope they have something hidden.

[@Echristoffe]

That’s wild. An old platform with a updated cpu can compete head to head with intel last gen platform and cpu

[@Denbot.Gaming]

the 5800x3d from that gen still beats the current intel CPUs for gaming, my 5950x still trades blows with the 13/14th gen i9s.... the limited p cores isn't always the best option

[@bygalaxy115]

​@@Denbot.Gaminguntil you overclock the i9s which is probably the point of anyone getting those cpus right now

[@Denbot.Gaming]

@@bygalaxy115 have you not seen the news... you shouldn't really be overclocking them, intel actually want you to run them lower than stock until they get a fix out. Core degradation issue, degrading cores within weeks of use under any load

[@bygalaxy115]

@@Denbot.Gaming if you know what are you doing and not just increasing the speeds to 6ghz and let it burn then you are okay

[@Denbot.Gaming]

@@bygalaxy115 get you head out of the blue ring... intel have officially released a statement, and by the way the 13900ks is 6Ghz out of the box, but the vid table is all wrong, it set to give the CPU way too much voltage. once its degraded the cores need more voltage to maintain stability, the more degraded it becomes the more voltage it needs... leading to higher temps. for example, a system I setup last Feb (2023) would run CPU Profile at stock 6ghz and maintain a temp under 50°C, just over 12 months later, its now 99°C and thermal throttling down to 5.2Ghz, and the random system crashes are ridiculous, they started around 4 months post build. I've probably been doing this longer than you've been out of nappies

[@charlesemerson6763]

I'm still running a PC with an original first run Ryzen Threadripper. It has the odd moment, mainly video memory but it still keeps running. All my PC's over the last 25yrs have been running AMD processors with no problems . I did once buy a full intel system, I think it was I5 processor, and it wen in the bin. It went back so often to get fixed that in the end the shop where I bought offered me a replacement PC which just happens to be AMD and it also stills runs.

[@justinpatterson5291]

A 16 Core, 32 Thread CPU would be epic to have. However. I like my 5800X3D, and its 96MB of Cache.

[@IcecalGamer]

🤞 2026 5950x3D And beyond !

[@saricubra2867]

Crysis was my most played game and my 12700K reaches the same framerates but only with 25MB of cache instead of 96MB. I love the extra 4 cores for streaming and it bought it for 330 USD new. Sad that intel will abandon monolithic sillicon and they will get watered down high latency low IPC chiplet garbage.

[@RealGreyGhost]

games dont even use all those cores anyway so its wasted money for a gaming rig

[@spvvk3621]

@@RealGreyGhost I'm sure he's got other uses as well but yea it striked me a bit too. People forget that Crysis is literally Windows XP era that can be maxed out on a good Core 2 Duo with capable graphics.

[@jamesm568]

Only if my flight simulators would use all them cores. I felt dirty buying a mid-range 5800X3D

[@yogurtfluff1]

I can already imagine the graph off between the Steves.

[@pdegan2814]

Spec-wise, the 5900XT looks almost identical to the 5950X, I wonder if there are any actual differences besides the 100MHz reduction in the max boost clock to justify a different model number. Plus, that price Jay mentioned is pretty much what the 5950X goes for on Amazon right now.

[@MrPruske]

i thought it was going to have full 3d mem..

[@KRGraphicsCG]

Just bought a 5950X two weeks ago and I'm glad I did

[@fretbuzzly]

I just upgraded my 6+ year old 1700 and 1080ti to a 5950x and 7900XTX. I'm guessing I'll be on the same mobo easily 10+ years. Crazy.

[@TrowGundam]

Your mistake with AMD was definitely the X3D. For a non-enthusiast, that just wants performance, X3D is fine. But for a tweaker or someone that just wants to tinker, X3D is just way too sensitive. I've had a 7950X since pretty much launch, and other than when I was tuning the Curve Optimizer, it's been rock solid. Sure, maybe I lose out a bit on top end gaming performance, but well the non-X3D was benchmarking higher for a lot of code compile, which is my day job, so a tiny hit to gaming is acceptable, for me.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

i dont understand but raising voltages next to a memory is never a good thing

[@patricklee8552]

the specs have not changed one bit from the 7000 series to the 9000's other than Zen 4 Architecture to Zen 5. Glad I went ahead and got the 7950X a year ago. No buyers remorse here.

[@asherdales]

My next build was already decided to be all team red because they're producing things that I want. Intel and Nvidia feel like they've just been in cruise control and thinking people won't go elsewhere just because of the name on the box.

[@Crunkmaster]

people buy nvidia because it's simply more capable hardware for people who need results. intel though, i can't imagine why anybody would buy any intel chips these days when amd is getting 98% of the performance with 1/3 the power and 1/2 the cooling required

[@Kevin-gf4im]

I tried this route. Regretted my 7900xtx big time after one week of owning. The stuttering was insane compared to my 3080ti. I don't get it but the way AMD handles shaders causes so much stuttering. You can disable anything and everything in the bios and adrenaline software to help it some but overall just an unpleasant experience. Good luck to you if you do go all red.

[@DigitalJedi]

@@Kevin-gf4im I've not observed any stuttering with mine after nearly a year of ownership. I had the high idle power issue for a single driver release but it got patched within a week. Other than that it's been a rock solid system. One thing about the AMD shader thing is that they compile shaders the first time around on the fly, while Nvidia will do it in the background when the game isn't running if I remember correctly. Both have pros and cons but the Nvidia approach does generally stutter less on the initial few minutes of a new game. After that both should be cached and behave the same.

[@crumbman]

Those are great news. I'm sitting here with my overclocked Ryzen 7 1700X and I can't wait to get a solid upgrade for doing programming work and playing games later this year.

[@GhostofZuuzGaming]

My guess is am4 will be around until zen 6, am5 will be around for zen 6 and zen 7 then probably drop am4 and bring out am6 with ddr6 support for zen 7, 8 and 9

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

i mean w 5800x3d am4 will be relevant for alot more years to come, its par w 7600x

[@Koshmar-13]

Sounds pretty nice. I'm still definitely holding out for the X3D models. It is interesting how high they are getting the Cache already on these 9000 models. I imagine we're going to start seeing caches above 100MB which is pretty awesome.

[@DankestJedi]

Well damn, talk about being quick!

[@silentcoyotecreations]

That’s what I’m sayin!

[@sansmoraxz]

I think a huge thing about a new CPU for AM4 you missed out on is ppl having old PCs in decent conditions who are looking to upgrade for some reason without a full board / component replacement. I got a B350 with Ryzen 5 1600. I did a GPU upgrade a while back. For CPU I was undecided. Windows 11 is not supported by my CPU. A new CPU for this socket is a decent option, not sure if I would go for it, but nice to know that it's an option.

[@93pachocho]

AM4 the GOAT

[@marxerr]

i “upgraded” to intel i914900k but man do i actually miss am4

[@andrewtaylor9704]

I was going to build an AM5 machine but my current X570 has more life in it with the new 5900XT - I’ll do that instead and get a few more years out of it. I always want performance but the stability I’ve got now is insane and there’s no need to do a full swap. I’m very pleased.

[@delanescott7872]

same here!!! im about to drop the 5900xt in this bad boy and keep on trucking LMAO.

[@mccalejk2]

Hopefully they fix the horrendous boot times

[@Sekowon]

Start the pc when you wake up, go do your morning routine, you'll never even know it was slow /shrug

[@cooleyzz]

My 5800x3d with a m.2 boots in like 15seconds. Huh?

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

Ddr5 and am5 are so slow on first boot due to memory training

[@saricubra2867]

​@@cooleyzzMy i7-12700K boots in 5 seconds with two cheap and "slow" Kingston M.2. The 5800X3D is in reality a slow chip, yes it pushes high framerates but that would be like turning up a 40% of my CPU.

[@Impecable..]

Turn on power down mode and memory context restore, lowers boot time to 10ish seconds at the cost of like 3ns of ram latency

[@GLHerzberg]

5:00 TDP is a maximum limit value not a nominal running value. Thus, I'm confused by your statements implying that the IPC is being realized while the 'power' is reduced. This is apples and oranges.

[@LordApophis100]

14th gen is just 13th gen with 200 Mhz more clock, so cheers for keeping the same socket Intel :D

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

its not, the 12 and 13 are

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

14-16 gen use full 10nm, and 17 so on 7nm which will be used on upcoming core ultra desktop so yeah that core ultra is cpu from the future

[@alexsmith8571]

Curious what the wattage on the x3D chips will be and if they will make the 12 and 16 core all 3D vcache. I would love a 12 core all 3D vcache at 105w

[@rockstar6790]

I’m surprised AMD still release new AM4 CPUs. I’m eyeing that 5900XT CPU to replace my 5600X CPU

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Just why, 5950X existed for years

[@zakur0978]

​@@Dr.WhetFarts well the good thing is they still make those cpu. but ye, R7 5800X3D is the best gaming on that platform the new R7 5700X3D is for value(cheaper), doesn't make it better maybe the 5900XT will be cheaper than 5950X no idea, i don't really care about high core count cpu

[@kyoudaiken]

Timestamps: 0:33 - AMD Keynote intro - Notes about platform support of AM4 and possibly AM5 2:01 - Introducing AMD Ryzen 9000 |- 2:41 - AMD Ryzen 9 9950X and Zen 5's IPC uplift |- 4:28 - AMD Ryzen 9 9900X - Fifty watts LESS! '- 6:05 - New chipsets X870 and X870E 9:50 - Unmatched socket longevity |- 11:00 - AMD Ryzen 5000XT series update and preliminary prices that got withdrawn '- 12:34 - Weird performance charts compared to Intel Core i7 13700K 14:25 - Ryzen 9000 performance charts 16:30 - Final thoughts

[@Odder-Being]

If it comes to power consumption Intel is so far behind Amd its starting to get ridiculous. I am so happy with my 7800X3D it does like 55 watts on average with 120fps at 1440p. Now that's awesome for the coming 5 years.

[@saricubra2867]

I think that power draw is similar to my i7-12700K while gaming. Intel messed up with e-core clocks and how they handled P-core IPC after Alder Lake. Easily with hold up for a decade and it's the best i7 after a decade of meh.

[@CVLova]

what game?

[@Odder-Being]

@@CVLova Almost all games but now i am playing Cyberpunk finishing up Phantom Liberty. Btw my 4080 does 110 watts on average 120fps@1440p. Usually total system power consumption is around 175 watts with 120fps@1440p dlss quality mode. Not bad at all when gaming 4 hours a day.

[@CVLova]

@@Odder-Being Thats good :D

[@JakeOrion]

17:42 Jay, can you do a video on the program Project Lasso on how disabling "Windows dynamic thread priority boost" improves performance? I am curious if the P/E cores are conflicting with each other causing micro stutter and FPS improvement in certain games; Metro Exodus Enhanced for example. Read Black Ops 4 is another one that benefits from this.

[@jackass992]

The biggest problem with the AM4 socket was its power limitations but if AMD can keep increasing performance and efficiency then maybe they can keep the AM4 socket around for another few years. Good to see AMD is still trying to keep budget options open for people who just need a CPU replacement or just want a slight upgrade but don't want to buy a new motherboard, ddr5 ram just for it all to be bottlenecked by their GPU

[@earthtaurus5515]

I reckon these are the last two CPUs AM4 will get. However, they will continue making AM4 CPUs as that socket will be in demand for a long while.

[@italianbasegard]

@@earthtaurus5515you could’ve said that about the 5600X3D or countless other AM4 processors 😂

[@earthtaurus5515]

@@italianbasegard True lol. However, given the max core count is 16 on AM5 at the moment and since the 7950X3D has some funky scheduling issues I doubt we will see a 5950X3D. Not to mention I also doubt AMD will backport 16 core chiplets to AM4 as resources are better of being spent on AM6 etc (If AMD had Nvidia's capital then it may have been possible but since they dont...). So, it stands to reason these would be the last new cpus for AM4.

[@MagiconIce]

@@earthtaurus5515 I wonder, reading all this talk from different sources that Intel is going through a troublesome "phase" the last few years, if AMD is actually catching up and becoming comparable in market share and size. It would be good for us consumers, you never want a monopoly in any trade, there needs to be competition between businesses, so they strive to outperform their competitor also in price, keeping prices as low as possible without sacrificing quality or not too much of it.

[@earthtaurus5515]

@@MagiconIce Arrow lake should hopefully be somewhat competitive on desktops but it may not be competitive across the board with laptop as well. Hopefully I'm wrong about the latter. AMD is most likely keeping their x3d variants for the arrow lake launch and they'll assess the situation then. In regards to a monopoly, of course no one other than blind fanboys/fanatics want a monopoly. These things generally happen in waves albeit very, very, very slow waves. In a few years time AMD would have hit the wall with x86_x64 ergo why they are branching into ARM. One could argue Intel may have hit that wall sooner. Remains to be seen how they re-group. Then there is RISC V to consider as well. Both ARM and RISC V already has stiff competition albeit RISC V is not mainstream yet. Intel may end up spinning off their fabs, who knows what the future holds. Anything can happen.

[@Redmage913]

AM4 - longest supported since socket 775, another legendary socket that worked from Pentium 4 through Core 2.

[@pauljoseph3081]

Intel has been chasing AMD for years now and still couldn't catch up.

[@saricubra2867]

Alder Lake did on desktop and obliterated them on laptops, who buys a laptop for an AMD CPU? I mean, the 13980HK is just a hilarious CPU that doesn't need to exist because it's extremely fast. (13th gen and 14th gen are still basically Alder Lake+).

[@longjohn526]

@@saricubra2867 Personally I wouldn't even bother with a Pay More Get Less gaming laptop, for one thing a laptop is no substitute for a 34" Ultrawide monitor

[@nipa5961]

Intel is so far behind and they only fall more behind each gen. Sad. I hope they will get competitive again in the next 5 years.

[@riverpirate1022]

Dunno what bizarro world your living in, intel has and always will lead the junk imitation reverse engineered trash AMD products. Side by side same spec PC comparisons for decades in real world usage and gaming prove this over and over again.

[@ethancbaker2002]

@@nipa5961same I love competition cause it’s good for the consumer!

[@jessicalawson1417]

Glad I got a 5800x3d instead of upgrading to am5, might be the time to jump to am5 now though when those x870 boards come out

[@dragonman910]

I'm waiting for 7000 series pricing on both cpu and gpu to drop more before upgrading my 3 year old 10850k + 3070 system.

[@blearmoon]

can someone explain to me if my 7 7700x should be at 90c to have full utilization or not ? By increasing my cooling and keeping my 7700x in 60=70 range while workload decrease performance and rendering speeds and so on ? please help i see so much polar contradicting messages about it

[@dj4aces]

I'm rockin' an AM4 board still, and I'll be honest, I'm curious about how these new AM4 chips are going to perform. If they look solid in independent testing, I might grab one and upgrade to AM5 (or 6 even, who knows?) when I can better afford it.

[@Waldherz]

By the way Jay, 7:21 is not correct. Intel has 20 CPU lanes for ages now, allowing full speed pcie support for the x4 nmve slot and the x16 top PCIE slot at the same time. THis has been a thing for 8 years or more now. You even talked about it multiple times in the past yourself.

[@G0dspeeeed]

No core or cache increase... this was actually the best case scenario for Intel. ~15% IPC improvment is also not super impressive considering the IPC comparision was 6nm Zen4 vs 4nm Zen5 now. If Intel finally gets the efficiency right and keep the cores up, they might actually be very competetive again

[@DigitalJedi]

That IPC claim is very similar to what Intel made about lion Cove as well, which IIRC was 14-20%. Looks like it's going to be a close race this generation.

[@zakur0978]

​​​​@@DigitalJedithey still have L1 L2 and L3 cache to play with, they seem to help a lot in gaming right now intel had more L2 cache and the X3D cpu of amd bigger L3 Cache size and letancy help with games if intel increases the core to be perfectly stable without issues at 6ghz + bigger L2 and L3 they will beat Zen 5. the problem is Zen 5 + 3D Cache

[@BladeCrew]

Meanwhile, I am still on Zen+, I love my cpu too much and is doing its job. I still got my Ryzen 5 1600 AF clocked at 3.7GHz since 2020. I am using a ID Cooling FrostFlow x 280mm liquad cooler and temps never go above 53C(Its winter now).

[@jeffboerger5676]

Excited about the new AM4 CPUs.

[@Snow.Drifter]

What's with chopping down the number of PCIe lanes through the chipset on the 800 series boards vs the 600?

[@frossstysan]

Intel got instability issues

[@blues3531]

I feel like this is backwards, when has this shifted? Instability is why I've avoided AMD since like 2012.

[@frossstysan]

@@blues3531 , I have asus z790 apex and 13900k. 13900k is shit. Only six months passed and I now I got game crashes instantly (didn't change anything in bios settings out of box)

[@lucyc776]

@@blues3531 Current 13th and 14th Gen i9 processors are wildly unstable because the motherboard manufacturers pump them with too much power. There wasn't even a "default baseline" until recently.

[@Lif7ed]

I remember getting my hands on a Ryzen 7 1700 and being blown away by the performance and overall stability. I knew this Ryzen range would be absolute killer, I can't believe it is now on it's 9th series!?

[@AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup]

It's not rly on its 9th series... Not for desktop anyway... 1st gen Ryzen was 1000 series, 2nd gen was 2000, 3rd gen was 3000, 4th gen was 5000, and 6th gen was 7000 series. 9000 series will be their 7th gen. Any other sku's (4K series, 8K series, etc... ) were just APU's or mobile chips ported over to desktop, not generational. That said, I also had a 1700, and was thoroughly impressed with it, when it launched in March 2017.

[@Lif7ed]

@@AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup Thanks for the insight, haven't really followed it as much as you but clearly doing bits they are. Cheers.

[@arishatz91]

Based on the intel leaks its not worth waiting for intel 15 gen or am i wrong? Should i build a ryzen system?

[@BHall51683]

Any X3D stuff rumored for 9000 series AM5?

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

i honestly theyre abit too fast, like unless you have 360hz led even 5700x, or 10700k is still capable

[@Yahfz]

At 17:50 you said some games park the p-cores and run only on the e-core, can you name any of these games? :)

[@DadPool_Hyde]

so, if you don't like asus anymore, and, I've had terrible luck with my current asrock, what would you go to for a good solid board on AMD? (currently have a 5950X and looking to bump up to 8950X or 9950X now I guess....

[@kevinerbs2778]

The mention of the temperature being a limit on 3D V-cache cpu's at 16:48 is incorrect. The 3D V-cache is limited by mostly voltage & some & amps. The lower TDP was to keep the voltages & amps in check. Not the temperature, the lower TDP is why there was lower max TJ-max on the cpu. Watts is voltage x amps = watts. The higher voltages & amps can fry the vertical nano structure to connect the L3 cache. Secondly you do not need high speed ram for a 3D V-cache cpu you where trying to do something that was completely unnecessary for it.

[@LimeGlass]

I want to state that my experience with a 7800x3D has been nothing but perfect. Awesome performance and the problems Jay said with the vcache on only half the cores doesn't exist for 7800x3D because they cut the cores in half so that there is only 1 bus and not 2, removing the transferring over the bus with the 7950x3D. Which is why the 7800x3D is the fastest gaming CPU right now until these come out. The max temperature at 85 does suck, even when water cooled, but you do not hit that when gaming. Only on heavy CPU tasks.

[@brandon3500]

Just to clarify from what I've read. The "ideal" memory speed has gone from 6000Mhz to 6400Mhz. Im not quite sure about an "extra" NVME connection as with the x670e MSI Meg Ace you get a direct x4 5.0 NVME (next to the ram) along with the x16 5.0 GPU Lanes. It would be nice if the new x870e/ 9000series CPUs would support x4 DDR sticks better. I'm also curious as to the IHS thickness issue for cooling.

[@DosonTheGreat]

What I don't get is they're saying the new boards will support higher memory, and then he goes to say you can use your old CPUs with the new boards, almost implying you can use the faster memory on the new boards with 7000 CPUs, but isn't the memory controller on the CPU? It SHOULD be on the CPU. You should, in theory, be able to use a 9800X3D, let's say, on a x670e MSI Meg Ace with the higher memory frequencies, right? I can't find anyone talking about this.

[@KieranShort]

In your about box it says 5950XT but it's 5900XT. :) As you say, the 5900XT It gets an extra 4 cores and 2MB of L2 Cache (over the 5900X) to give it 16 cores and 72MB cache like the 5950X, but the clock is still 4.8ghz (and has the same TDP) vs the 4.9ghz of the 5950X. Not sure if it has the 3d vcache or not. I'm interested in 5950X vs 5900XT benchmarks to see if we have a new AM4 king.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

hm interesting cpu

[@TheEnasalin]

So I'm not sure if i understood right, but you basically DON'T want to install an SSD in the CPU adjacent NVME slot, because it will split bandwidth between CPU and GPU? Or is this being fixed in the new MOBO's?

[@zakur0978]

something with intel 1700 motherboard i guess and pcie 5.0 from what he said when the motherboard has PCIE 5.0 on one nvme kai pcie x16 slot. then if you fill both of them with pcie 5.0 devices(nvme and gpu), the bandwidth will be shared(cut in half from x16 the pcie will be x8 i guess) but we don't have pcie 5.0 gpu yet so, it's not an issue yet PCIe 5.0 x8 has the same bandwidth as PCIe 4.0 x16 ______ Right now if you put nvme gen 5 and rtx 4090(gen 4), it will run perfectly without bandwidth sharing(no performance decrease) because the nvme will run on pcie 5.0 and the pcie 4.0 since the best gpu is 4.0 right now that's what i understood

[@brickbunny9686]

2:05 What about Square Jerk?

[@nightwalkerj]

I would love to someday see something with as many cores and power as a 5950 at 65 watts just so its easier to cool. I miss the days when my idle temps were in the 20s - 30s.

[@Neonmirrorblack]

Waiting to see what happens first: Intel announces a great CPU for once, or AMD announces the 9800X3D. For gaming, AMD hasn't announced anything interesting yet CPU wise. Everyone already knows the X3D variants will be superior for that, and buying a non 3D now for gaming is just throwing money away. Also, the 5900XT is likely NOT a "new" CPU, but old silicon that was not up to spec and simply rebranded.

[@kewing827]

Wonder what the performance difference will look like between the 5800XT vs the 5800X3D.

[@JoshHarmez]

I have been out of the buying game for a few years, coming back now its crazy to see you can get 5.5ghz from a 65w tdp cpu

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

id surely buy 9700x if i ever in need of one, i mean pentium g power w perf of current top gaming cpu is silly

[@4ryan42]

So I could upgrade from a 9900k to a 9900x now?

[@saricubra2867]

Yes, your 9900K is now AMD FX in comparison.

[@quirkyMakes]

I love the fact you and nexus come out with a video at the same time

[@Denbot.Gaming]

10:40 .... Hell yeah... I was running an FX8150 since launch, up until BF2042/CODMW2 launched, was still managing 60 FPS at 1080p on that CPU paired with a RX590, even in warzone... it was originally built with a HD6990, the one with two dual GPU cores on one board, that was a power hungry hot card, two 880mhz cores with 4GB VRAM back in 2010 was it. Luckily I did the drop in upgrade to a RX590 just before it went daft, got it for £140.... a few months later they were selling for £500-600

[@DynoMore]

On the same board I've moved from a 3600 to a 5600X and finally to a 5800X3D. Doubt I'll update this system again, but I really value having an upgrade path. It will definitely make me consider AMD again for my next build.

[@KAPTKipper]

Interested in how these new CPU will work with older B650 motherboards. While the socket is the same, does the chipset crimp performance too much.

[@gerakore8948]

idk what changed since the early reviews of the 7950x3d and when i got it about a year later but i am not seeing any of those problems. i'm guessing the softwate/bios fixed all that.

[@c.m.7037]

What does the "E" in X870 mean?

[@douglasmurphy3266]

These are real architectural IPC gains too. Zen 3 and Zen 4 got a lot of IPC from beefing up the L2 cache. These Zen 5 gains are like intra-chip communication & bandwidth, special instructions running faster stuff. They can still increase "effective" IPC further if they choose to release chips with more L2 cache, or 3D-Vcache. They left a bunch of performance on the table by not juicing the chips to the absolute limit with power levels as well. Zen 5 might have 2 or 3 "generations" or refreshes. This is just phase one until they see what Intel releases later this year, and they have a lot of room to play with when they respond.

[@JusstyteN]

ever since i swiched from intel i wasnt so happy. i already upgraded from 7600x to 7800x3d, its so dam efficient. although i wish they would improve their SOC idle draw. but its 10w not much now i also switched from nvidia because i aint paying their crazy prices and exploding connectors and im like, meeh the GPU is better in terms of FPS but now its also a little more power hungry. the biggest sale point for me was their privacy, i dont plan to go back nvidia any time soon. rn all amd setup draws 75-90 watts from the wall 7800x3d and 7800xt, not horrible but they could improve the GPU idle power use, still worth it imo

[@Tech-Tempest]

Looking forward to the benchmarks. I'm thinking about upgrading from my 5900x workstation/gaming PC. Think you can add a Vray benchmark?

[@reptilez13]

Its not just them keeping AM4 alive with new stuff, its the fact they are actually compelling especially for certain people and at good prices. I remember Intel releasing weird CPUs for old sockets now and again but they made no sense and were like 2x anything close to a logical price point lol

[@CursorDriver]

@JayzTwoCents, it would be great, if you test new AMD CPUs not only in workloads, but also in connectivity features. Because of problems that AMD motherboards has with USB earlier, when your devices might disconnect and reconnect regularly if you connect several USB devices at once especially if they was of different versions - USB2 + USB3. It's very interesting how it would work on start when they bring USB4 in addition to USB3 and USB2, if you connect good amount of devices of different versions altogether at the same time.

[@TheCgOrion]

The efficiency increase alone could make the challenge serious for Intel. They already had a lot of catching up to do (as far as power usage). I realize most of Intel's problem isn't an inefficient design, but chips that are driven way too hard, in order to compete.

[@JanusDarke]

From what I have heard USB4 is optional on B850 & not present at all on lower, be it 840/820. It's also the exact same silicon as the 600 series.

[@victorm316]

I'll admit. I'm a Intel fanboy. But lately I've been thinking on switching. Can't believe I'm saying that. We will see how the numbers are and what Intel does.

[@philipnel8471]

Hay J I was just wondering after your comment about pairing with and 4090, Are you able to enable the BAR function for Nvidia GPU's I remember something about it only being available when you use AMD GPU with AMD cpu and the same NVIDia and Intel. So my real question is how much of an impact does it make if you cant use the BAR function of Nvidia and whatever AMD calls theirs.