AMD Ryzen + Vega APUs Tested! 2200G + 2400G Benchmarks

[@soapa4279]

720p budget gamers rejoice!

[@antreastoumazou2736]

Sophana Aik 900p*

[@ayoauxiz3944]

Hi bb

[@crm4667]

1080p low settings

[@MetaliCanuck]

I run this on Ultra settings with a 1060 zotac amp on 4k in DCS and games. Dont know what your talking about, If i want 720p ill go back to xbox360 lol

[@crm4667]

@@MetaliCanuck 4k ultra settings at 20 fps maybe I have a gigabyte gtx 1060 g1 overclocked to 2100mhz on core and 10k on memory and it won't do 4k 60 fps ultra in most games lol maybe games like fortnite with simple graphics.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Only 22mins long Paul, what happened? :D

[@b4ldski473]

Hardware Unboxed ayyy

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Nice work Paul, we came to pretty much the same conclusion, the 2200G is a value beast :D

[@paulshardware]

I had to edit out the part with the other 42 games that I benchmarked 😉

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Cheers mate I appreciate that, gotta give us bottom feeders a chance 😂

[@tangysunnyd]

Hardware Unboxed Jay got 2g vram

[@JohnDuthie]

These comparison reviews are unrealistic. Most people on a budget looking to buy a low-end system wouldn't pair a 1050ti with an 8700k. The closest competitor to the 2400G right now would be a G4560+1030. Even if the 1050ti was magically MSRP again it would still cost about the same price as a 2400G. GT 1030(90$) + G4560(80$) = 160$. 2400G= 170$. 1050ti = 200/250$

[@Ravenousjoe]

Doothe the 2400g is 4c/8t so it beats the 4560 handily. Best to compare ryzen 1200 + 1030 to the 2200g and the 1400 to the 2400g.

[@HarlesBently]

Doothe he does a high end cpu to try and eliminate a cpu constraint onto the gpu. To show what does the gpu do compared to other gpu. For an APU though, i wouldnt have minded seeing intels integrated graphics compared as well. Or hell in this case could even use the gpu with the apu and disable the onboard graphics to get a direct comparison and really show if its the graphics or cpu limitin the APU.

[@razamatraz1]

I tend to agree that on a price comparison basis that is a more reasonable comparison. That said, the 1050Ti on an 8700k is really not showing what an 8700k can do it's showing what a 1050Ti can do, which is (debatable) the GPU you might be considering if you had another $200 to spend, and the GPU that is considered minimum for proper 1080p gaming.. It's good to show because I don;t just want to see what price matches but what I might get if I can afford a bit more....how far behind the current "minimum 1080p GPU" will I be? I'd like to see a lot more tests: 1. Compare to way more systems 4560+1030 or RX 550 (I think Gamer's Nexus did this or was working on this), R3 1200 with 1030 or 550, ditto with 1050 (non-Ti) and RX 560. 2. OC tests and force 2GB VRAM (which he should have already done frankly since it's just a BIOS setting) 3. 8GB RAM testing (since this is supposed to be budget) and 8GB in one slot (Single channel) to see how badly it performs, since buying a single 8GB stick and upgrading later might be a budget path if the performance isn't too terrible. 4. More games less productivity.

[@14650]

He was just trying to eliminate CPU bottlenecking to show how good the integrated graphics was compared to a dedicated budget GPU.

[@architkapoor8024]

Razamatraz watch hardware unboxed video

[@SergeantZeta]

Good to see a new heavyweight video from you Paul, much love.

[@pontaduck89]

Zeta Is that you ???

[@brandonchelsea4506]

what does a "heavyweight video" mean??

[@SergeantZeta]

Brandon, I mean a release timed video with benchmarks and everything. Something that takes a significant amount of time versus an unboxing or a peripheral review.

[@lucasrem]

Heavy, ITX, noob lol?

[@Shaxuul]

Paul's the man!

[@slipknot2k4]

i bought one for 99$ right away instead of buying a gpu for 1800$

[@georgiivanov61]

Brother Ares 65W of power is almost too much for a laptop. Unless they release a mobile version of the APUs

[@Apparoid1]

they have, their called the R5 2500u and R7 2700u

[@georgiivanov61]

Apparoid Wolf You are right, 15W TDP is in line with Intel's mobile CPUs. And the integrated GPU is much faster. New laptop king confirmed.

[@TechyBen]

They are doing mobile versions.

[@CallMeTonyga]

looks like a solid choice for games that cant even use gpu anyways. might pick one up for a mmo beater pc

[@Schnibs86]

2400G MSRP $169. Already $189 "on sale" at Newegg WTH?

[@timba271]

taxes my bro

[@paulshardware]

appears to be in stock / normal price at Amazon, links are in the description 😁

[@Schnibs86]

There it is! Thanks Paul. I've been really looking forward to these. Not for gaming, but for business. Some of the apps my company sells really like at least 8 threads and not all my customers have VMware or Hyper-V yet. It has been too expensive to add a discrete GPU right now so I've been stuck with I7 prices for a while. Can't wait to try it out!

[@fernandocarrion426]

Adam Schneible at least that's just $20 more, not a big deal, here in Ecuador they're already selling them for $250 at MercadoLibre.com but well he might be an opportunist, hopefully some vendors will sell it for just above $200.

[@フラットライン-x8p]

GODDAMN MINERS!!

[@TechDunk]

Finally benchmarks with gpu scores! You're awesome! Would love to see some benchmarks with the CPU and GPU overclocked

[@eldebs94]

Only 1Gb of VRAM? I saw Jay-Z video and in his settings he was able to crank it up to the max 2Gb that the APU will allow for VRAM...

[@xmaxfactorx]

Jay-Z? the rapper?

[@jonathanmiller4759]

JayzTwoCents is a pretty popular tech channel on youtube lol

[@Pearagon10]

But Jay said the default was 512mb

[@MrMega200]

Maybe JayZ is saying he changed a BIOS setting? I remember motherboard integrated GPU's allowing you to allow for more memory to be reserved for the iGPU in the BIOS. Maybe, maybe not it is different for Ryzen Raven APUs and JayZ has made a mistake.

[@hentosama]

Vram allocation is pointless, check it out! you can use 64mb only (unless a program needs specific value to start) kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2Ouga2Dmrahjac

[@JarrodsTech]

Sounds like a few people experienced the stuttering issues, hopefully doesn't take long to get some updates!

[@HarlesBently]

Jarrod'sTech i get it with ryzen 1700. I have a feelings its a cpu issue.

[@theholypopechodeii4367]

Harles Bently I don't think so. One of the advantages of Ryzen is that it is quite smooth (very little stutters and consistent framerate). I can speak for this because I have an R5 1600. Seems your issue is probably isolated. The new APU's are probably just facing teething issues which will be fixed in BIOS updates.

[@Lionheart1188]

Harles Bently bs

[@Cooe.]

It's the fact that Paul & some others used motherboards that default to the 1GB VRAM partition option instead of the max 2GB limit that the boards AMD shipped out to reviewers and others will default too (and AMD has said up to 8GB will be possible with a later BIOS/AGESA update) If he had changed the VRAM setting in the BIOS, they wouldn't be there.

[@junkerzn7312]

@Cooe14 that's what I think too. Either the VRAM setting or temperature throttling... having the 2400G go above 85C is a red flag for turbo'ing. It would be nice if Paul could re-test the stuttering issue with both adjustments. Pump up the VRAM, point a fan at the mobo (no need to replace the cpu-attached cooler) to force the temperature down for testing purposes, both separately and together. But yah... it really does 'feel' like a VRAM sizing issue from his description. -Matt

[@dragon2knight]

Let 'em rip, Paul! I honestly don't think I've been so excited for a chip release in quite awhile :-)

[@Right-Is-Right]

Michael Livote I am seriously considering changing out my 1600x for one of these APU's, it would be cheaper than buying the GPU that I was planning on, even though I would buy a decent GPU in the future when my wallet gives me the OK. I also saw on another vid that cranking down to 720p makes for even better gameplay on higher settings with these AMD APU's, makes it worth considering even more.

[@riftblackshade]

Deeply impressed:) Intel should be ashamed at their igpu's

[@kevinvanneste2500]

My 2 😁 nice new apu's👌

[@riftblackshade]

I completely agree Scott. But from the point of view I was thinking of, I've never owned a amd processer in the last 20 years. I see this a great stepping stone into bigger things for the future. The possibilities that an igpu can quite possibly start getting competitive with dedicated gpus is impressive. As an intel owner and a gamer for 100+fps I still prefer slapping in a gpu in a pci-e slot. But watching amd going for this type of market I'm very impressed and just surprised intel just hasn't tried yet.

[@Cooe.]

Wesik It's because they can't. Intel could if they would, trust me. Hell, they were so desperate for better GPU tech then their garbage they licensed a semi-custom version of Vega to create Kaby Lake-G, and then hired away the Radeon Technologies Group boss to try & get their GPU efforts up to snuff in an at least somewhat reasonable time frame (they don't wanna have to buy GPU's from AMD any longer than they absolutely need to). GPU tech is absolutely gnarly & largely cumulative. It's a market that will be a nightmare for even cash flush Intel to break into, and it's gonna take them at least a couple years of throwing humongously fat stacks at Raja and his GPU team. That's how bad they want into this market now that AMD's CPU's are as up to snuff as their GPU's always have been.

[@Durthquake]

not sure if you mentioned it in the video or not, but was the video memory set to the default 1gb or did you up it to the max 2gb? At 12:30 you mentioned "you might want to increase the memory from the default 1gb" which leads me to belive you did the tests at 1gb and not the 2gb?

[@Cooe.]

Durthquake - He definitely did the tests at 1GB. He was using a different board then the one AMD sent out with their Ryzen-G review kits that defaults to 2GB, and some boards like his default to 1GB instead. I really feel this video needs a disclaimer of sort saying such, because a lot of these results are quite inaccurate because of it.

[@Metamorphisis09]

Check out Hardware Unboxed's video about the vram limit. He did multiple tests ranging from 64mbs to 2gbs of vram and only saw a 1-2 fps increase. So it doesn't really matter in the end in terms of gaming. But he does into go into detail about why you should keep it at maybe 512mb to help the pc overall.

[@Cooe.]

Seen that test, and then others using different boards where it had MAJOR effects, so I don't think that particular setting's effects are consistent board to board atm (and if the option really did nothing, it would not exist, or at least with the wide and growing range of options).

[@DuncDog]

Was the APU set to 2GB manually? Jay found that the FPS in most games increased by like 30-50% just by increasing the ram cap, with an average of over 100% faster by that combined with FPS. Your stuttering issue sounds like an allocated GPU memory issue as well.

[@AliMYBPlayz]

Linus and Paul did not change the vram to anything higher and left it at 510mb but Jay set it two which is a must for 1080p

[@nytalix642]

Well done Paul, probably the 2nd benchmark video about the new apus. Take that Kyle

[@Sopheris]

Dont get me wrong because i watched whole video and liked it, but i dont understand why you compared cheapest ryzen to best coffee lake cpu? That have no sence at all ;p Would be nice to see that APU vs ryzen 1600 + GTX 1050 and i5 8400 + GTX 1050 and see performance/$ calculation. Anyway i wanted to see mostly GPU benchmarks and you showed it. That APU is really impressive.

[@basssq3]

Sopheris He was trying to compare the APUs to intels highest end iGPU. It wasnt really about the CPU.

[@Sopheris]

i5 8400 have also intel UHD 630 iGPU, same as 8700k. But ye it makes more sence if we look only on iGPU comparison

[@jollun4561]

I agree. You can buy a server motherboard and set two 2400G's in sync for a cheaper price than a 8700k and a 1050ti. I would've liked to see some i3's in the tests. Maybe with a 1050 or so. Video was still good tho, best one I've seen so far! Would've also been cool to see what happened to the fps if he allowed the 2400G more memory. Like 2b or so.

[@lucasrem]

Sopheris 8700k, 7700k before, the benchmark level CPU they all take as base mark, all channels do that. This is a gamers channel, do gamers need this APU, and what does it runs the only reason. So that's why he uses the gamers CPU only! What GPU u run now? Need a replacement? Volta 1080Ti level, or 1050? running what?

[@Sopheris]

Im running ancient setup with quad core Q8200 and GT 9600, cant really play on it and editing videos is nightmare with 4gigs of ram. Im considering to buy R5 2600 if they release it with APU. If not it will be i5 8600k + GTX 1050 (Ti or not) or R5 2600 + GTX 1050 (Ti or not).

[@snp796]

I would have preferred a reasonable comparison

[@razamatraz1]

true but you can look up the 4560 1030 combo on any number of sites. I prefer to see how far behind a minimum 1080p card I am.

[@jimski5358]

if you play at 720p or 900p the framerate will get a nice bump this apu will do fine at those

[@steventn22]

THANKS a lot for adding the tidbit about freesync, ive seen 4 reviews and yours is the first one to address my question, great vid!

[@meistrimeez]

It should be possible to set VRAM to 2gb from BIOS

[@lucasrem]

meistrimeez You ask te right question, we have to wait for Steve Paul says, Gamers nexus. Paul is not able to do that, he does the nice showcase builds, bringing the budget deals for any budget! Can we run Vega on 4Gb what ever architecture, or more, what if you never need more 'Cuda' cares, 11 enough, you only need more space for textures!

[@deadchannel5933]

@@lucasrem Well hello there, I am here 3 years later :)

[@samuelbreen3635]

Glad to see you are posting more again i picked up your videos up a few months back trying to decide what i wanted for my next gaming pc and your videos helped alot glad to see you back doing what you are good at and helping people like me.

[@React2Quick]

the stuttering issue you mentioned that Kyle and you had with the 2400G, it appears Jay also had similar problem with his testing. But he manually set the VRAM allocation to 2gb instead of the factory 512mb and that resolved part of the issue along with switching to a different B350 motherboard

[@lkarlsen2587]

Awesome to have you back Paul, love you and your videos 😊

[@andrewbrooks2001]

Did you set the GPU memory allocation to 2GB instead of the standard 512mb? I think I missed that part when you described the machine you're running. I recall you stating that the APU / RAM was not overclocked.

[@ammarhummieda7596]

Glad you're back, Paul! Must've been the longest weekend this year waiting on this

[@SoJa92]

Why doesn't anyone test Rainbow Six Siege? If you play the terrorist hunt mode you can get really repeatable results and the game peaks at nearly 100k concurrent players on Steam while also having UPlay only players.

[@Havok0159]

Pretty sure Hardware Unboxed and Tech Yes City tested Rainbow Six Siege.

[@charliewickliffe2203]

Scattervolt does

[@Axxo852]

Great ot see you getting back into making video's again keep up the great work.

[@DSDSDS1235]

Yo first review on my sub feed! Also first ad I saw today.

[@scottharter1161]

So glad you're back in the swing of things. Big thumbs up.

[@TheAimlessMage]

Been waiting for these to release! Now I can build something and not buy a GPU that's jacked up 300% lol

[@ThisUploaded]

Josh Reno I mean, if your goal was the build a pc with something less powerful than a Gtx 950,then you're good to go. Given the price to performance there's no real competition on the market. But you could get better performance just throwing a 950 or even 1050 in a system you already have.

[@TheAimlessMage]

Jacob Mason ahh really? Im new to the scene looking to build my first build and I wasn't for sure how good the last gen was. So thanks for the tip!

[@RayanMADAO]

getting a g4560 and a 1050 is way better for the money

[@Bourinos02]

+Jacob Mason Er, the price of the 950 or 1050 ALONE is already similar to the mobo+CPU combo you get... If you're doing a new system with a low budget, it's a no-brainer, if it's an old system, you'd better be quite careful with what CPU and memory you already have before putting a 950-1050, dirt cheap systems might make these GPU choke and would be a bad investment. +Mayo taizou Way better for gaming, maybe, but it's also more expensive and you have a quite crappy CPU if you intend to do light CPU workloads with it.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

I had no PC so I got a prebuilt on sale and open box...basically got the GPU for free.

[@bryantalvarez6152]

Lovely video as always. Happy to see you back in the swing of things. Wishing you, the wife and the pups the best and keep up the good work!

[@eweezy946]

Note you can change the amount of VRAM this APU uses it goes up to 2GB of VRAM and you will have a better experience

[@matteldridge5581]

we definatly did miss u paul and your video's, keep up the great work

[@marios3202]

Paul, how much RAM did you allocate to the GPU of the APU? It makes a huge difference in scores..

[@DeathKingRecords]

He said 1GB was the limit but the boards should support up to 2GB so he is missing out alot of performance

[@stmcdowell77]

Agreed...these tests should have been done with 2GB of dedicated VRAM.

[@marios3202]

stmcdowell77 exactly. Watch Jay's video. Watched it right after this video, and the difference is HUGE.

[@marios3202]

And the hiccups and stutters he encountered were 100% caused by the last of RAM.

[@razamatraz1]

I think he had it in auto which does allow >1GB...but auto isn't the same as forced 2GB.

[@Exponaut_R-01]

I can't remember the last time I've seen benchmark charts from you but it's good to see them again.

[@peterderbeste6817]

you should be able to allocate more vram in the bios, significanty improved performance for some reviewers (and probably the reason why linus got so bad numbers, as sometimes the standard is a terrible 0.5 gb)

[@Irishhellion420]

Thanks for a solid review and enjoy seeing your videos again.

[@CT_rl3]

why was jay the only one to modify the apu's memory in order to resolve the stuttering and improve performance? at 2gb his benchmarks seemed to suggest a bit better performance.

[@AliMYBPlayz]

charles lundelius exactly, that is my complaint with Paul and Linus's video, Jay was the only one that respectively did this

[@React2Quick]

charles lundelius thank you.. but then again Jay also switched motherboards to help resolve part of the problem.

[@SerpentXTech]

Paul, thank you for the review, I look forward to my own 2400G, and seeing how it performs. Definitely going to upgrade the cpu cooler. Stay strong brother, have a good week.

[@romayojr]

RIP Paul’s character 🙏🏾 17:25

[@kV18mAs81]

Welcome back Paul!!You were surely missed-great video as always...

[@prerunnerwannabe]

My Freesync monitor uses HDMI. . . I'm a little confused now.

[@marsovac]

You have a FreeSync monitor without DisplayPort? Care to say which one? I never heard of such. If you have both and connect it via HDMI you get no FreeSync.

[@prerunnerwannabe]

Marino Šimić Nope, no display port. It's an Acer KG251Q

[@marsovac]

Yes I see that recntly FreeSync has been implemented over HDMI. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSync However I think it depends on the motherboard in that case. If it is setup so that it has FreeSync only over DP then you could be screwed. As I understood they added FreeSync over HDMI mostly because of laptops that usually did not come with DP.

[@prerunnerwannabe]

Marino Šimić Ahh, good to know! Thanks for researching that for me! :)

[@prerunnerwannabe]

D B Bummer.

[@PragmaticWisdom]

It's 5am here in Australia, and I just had to stay up and watch your vid mate. I did miss your content, although I understand why you scaled back massively. Great work as always Paul, can't wait to see the follow-ups on these APU's. #my2cents ~ I just hope AMD release the R7 2700G - probably more wishful thinking on my part - with a bigger dedicated GPU unit that allows up to 4GB of video memory, I think that would honestly rock the entire graphics industry and work around the damned inflation on the GPU's.

[@khl2445]

now imagine the 3000 series :O

[@ejkk9513]

Unfortunately, I thought the same thing until they announced it and all we got were frequency increases on both the CPU and GPU.. we should see an improvement. But not as much as we were hoping. Plus they will be using the same 14nm optimized "12 nm".

[@amehu]

Dude great graph bars and indications!

[@rdot3rick147]

Increase ram cap to 2gb n over clock will go up 30% to 40%

[@imranhq13]

what?

[@jawr1215]

How do you increase the ram/gram allowance?

[@TheGuyWhoDidUrM0M]

I read that somewhere. . .Huge gains.

[@aleksandrmikhail3803]

watch jayz2cent video...... but it's not stable yet....

[@rdot3rick147]

In bios, its set to 514mb u can set it to 2gb

[@alexandermckay8594]

Great job Paul! Back with a bang!

[@qpaoziwu]

i’m wondering why are you comparing the apu to a i7 cpu instead of a pentium cpu

[@React2Quick]

comparing the iGPU performance of the chips. AMD usually has better iGPUs integrated into their CPUs

[@issaciams]

He's comparing the igpu and he said to pay attention to the graphics benchmark specifically.

[@rouvinski7100]

He wanted to compare it to the best igpu from intel

[@React2Quick]

issaciams someone else who paid attention to the video

[@TheDarkToes]

You mean he's comparing a quad-core 8 thread processor with what was a quad core 8 thread processor line until this most recent itteration, and both have graphics in the chip? Wild. Haha

[@ابوحيدرآلشاهين-ي7ش]

Thanks Paul, that what I was looking and waiting for to start my photography basic editing needs . It seems enough to run Lightroom cc .

[@bigsportsman]

Paul, Check you GPU memory settings. They default to 512 megs take that up to 2 Gb and those drops in frames rates should get better. It appears you are running out of buffer.

[@AliMYBPlayz]

bigsportsman my complaint with Linus and Paul's video, the default is 512gb and can be higher than that even more than 2gb, Jay was the only person who did that

[@PuRe_AdDicT]

So what’s the maximum shared memory that will be available, when drivers are sorted? Seems to me that if 8gb was available it would make a huge difference :/

[@bigsportsman]

2 gb is the max for the integrated GPU but I expect that will increase as they get further into the year and the APU's get more stable and the kinks get worked out. I would look for the increase to be 4 gb for the integrated GPU.

[@PuRe_AdDicT]

bigsportsman so what’s the point of putting 16gb in a system then? Surely if the max it can share will be 4gb, 8gb ram is gonna be enough for any machine based on these APU’s

[@bigsportsman]

Sorry I was not clear. The total max "system memory" (RAM) is the same as all R3, R5 and R7 chips. In APU's there are basically to parts 1. the CPU and 2. the GPU. The difference in APU's is that a set amount of "system RAM" is dedicated to the GPU portion of the APU. This allocation of "system RAM" to the GPU replaces the VRAM (GDDR and/or HBM)usually found on "Discrete Video Cards". This is done to keep costs, package size and power consumption down as these VRAM modules can be expensive comparatively and take up valuable PCB space. The "system RAM" allocated can be changed in the bios settings. This will give the GPU portion of the APU more buffer just like the VRAM would, but is slower than VRAM due to distance and frequency.

[@philscomputerlab]

Excellent! I'd love to see the same AMD system, but with a 1030 or 550 and how that compares to the APU. And maybe an investigation into different RAM speeds and how it impacts performance as such high end RAM might not be affordable for a budget build.

[@JayP982]

I like your videos Paul but this comparison was just stupid. You have a $99 CPU vs intels $400 CPU. Your reasoning is just stupid. Come on now. Give us an actual comparison.

[@Ravenousjoe]

JayP982 the intel was there for the iGPU he even said that. As for the 8700k with the 1050ti, the 1050ti will always be the bottleneck. I think he should have used a ryzen chip because they have equal IPC, but it wouldn't have made much of a difference if any at all.

[@BrettAnderson3]

And why use ultra settings on Warhammer?

[@lucasrem]

JayP982 You all cry the same shit, why is this so hard for you? 8700k now, 7700k before, the benchmark level CPU they all take as base mark, all channels do that. This is a gamers channel, do gamers need this APU, and what does it runs the only reason. So that's why he uses the gamers CPU only! What GPU u run now? Need a replacement? Volta 1080Ti level for gamers now, or 1050? running what?

[@justjustgord]

great summary vid, really nice to see the resurgence of affordable gaming. Cant wait for mini build tut. thx!!

[@hentosama]

Read Below you can allocate 64MB! its the same! (Why did you limit yourself to one gigabyte of VRam?????,Its like testing a video card with 4 or 6 gigabytes of RAM,Im disappointed)

[@hentosama]

OK TURNS OUT VRAM ALLOCATION IS POINTLESS :D Hardware Unbox just explained how the Vram can be set as low as 64MB and games runs the same, Vega dinamically converts ram to Vram when needed, so no need to set up 2GB/4GB vram buffer. However there are some games or programs that do require specific set of vram to start. Hardware unbopxed "AMD Raven Ridge 8GB vs. 16GB Reserved Memory Benchmark & Explanation" kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2Ouga2Dmrahjac

[@Gwarnine]

i love your content man, just subscribed after i noticed i end up on your channel a lot when i'm looking for answers

[@jackveedhenrie]

Paul I da man first video out!

[@cyberpreacher4948]

Great video, Paul! Thanks!

[@hellboybihac]

Why compare it to i7s? What's the logic behind it? Why not i3s? I guess I'll have to wait for someone else's review.

[@hellboybihac]

TheDarkToes is i7 8700k a quad core CPU? No. Is i3 8100 a quad core CPU with the same integrated gpu as 8700k? Yes. Comparing 4c/4t or even 4c/8t apu to 6c/12t is idiotic at best.

[@hellboybihac]

TheDarkToes dear God you're stupid :-( I honestly feel sorry for your parents and siblings.

[@hellboybihac]

TheDarkToes you proved you're a moron. Now GTFO.

[@TheDarkToes]

Adnan Popara nope... you've proved you're the moron. Lol That's why you're utterly clueless on why this video is relevant. If you weren't such a dumbass you'd have a clue, but hey. Continue making yourself look stupider and stupider.... I enjoy shitting on people like yourself. I get enjoyment out of it. Please...

[@TheDarkToes]

Adnan Popara I mean, I've already got you pegged as someone who can't read, and someone who is unsure on why he's making comparisons between two companies with a similar product. You can't possibly know half of the words he's talking about.... I think you've fallen into the wrong section of youtube. Lol It would be hilarious if you're trying to make a profession out of this... and you don't understand why he's comparing apus with other apus? And comparing it with what a low end pc with a dedicated gpu has to offer? Like wow...

[@IEnjoyCreatingVideos]

Nice video Paul! Thanks for sharing it with us.😎👍JP

[@Bourinos02]

You can't allocate 2 gigs on the "VRAM" APUs??? That would solve a bit the performance problem.

[@samatlantaga]

You can. I don't think Paul changed it in the bios. I just watched one of Jayz videos and he did testing with it set at 2gb.

[@Bourinos02]

That's what I thought, anyway, it's quite amazing to see APUs you can actually PLAY games with!

[@stoneymahoney9106]

That setting Jay set was NOT VRAM, it was Frame Buffer - that has to be hard allocated at boot, the rest of the VRAM is dynamically allocated as and when the GPU requests it. But Jay's mobo was straight-up screwed, so he's allowed to be confused.

[@samatlantaga]

Ah true.

[@Bourinos02]

+ Stoney Mahoney 2 GB frame buffer? Do you have more information​ about this?

[@raulsaavedra709]

Awesome video Paul, very complete! Great to see you back in full throttle :) From your own findings I wonder, maybe the stuttering and lower 0.1% from the 2400G are not driver related, but precisely due to hitting those higher temps and therefore throttling

[@ugzz]

i get you didn't have one, but a 1030 or last gen card makes WAY more sense.. like go buy one at best buy level of sense imo.

[@Ravenousjoe]

ugzz so buy a 1200 and a 1030 for $190 which comes to $90 more than the 2200g Or buy a 1400 + the 1030 for $235, which is $65 more expensive than this. I see what you are saying, but it just isn't worth it. The 1030 has poor value and if you just need a stop gap before buying a GPU the APUs are the way to go. You are basically getting a GPU for $20.

[@seren8ty]

I don't know what it was all about why you weren't around but Paul you have a great Channel I love all the work you do and yes you were missed, I'm very glad you're back into the swing of things. I've been watching you since pretty much your first video at Newegg.

[@sumfoo1]

Why are they putting the better gpu chips in the Intel chips?

[@paulshardware]

AMD has traditionally had better iGPUs than Intel, heck Intel is even integrating Vega onto one of their upcoming chips

[@Web720]

Foo1ishfast Why is he inflating Intel performance with the 1050ti? Shouldn't he compare i7 + 1050ti to the 2400G + 1050ti?

[@UC3DaddyDirection]

Tenzing Khedup He added the GTX1050 Ti benchmarks just to show how much of a difference a dedicated GPU can make, even if it’s a entry level GPU like the GTX 1050 Ti.

[@AdamScott77]

I built a 2200g system for 600 bucks and it outperforms my previous iMac and I'm happy AF.

[@d4popov]

PAUL WAS HERE FIRST !!!!1!

[@samm7322]

Awesome tip on the display port at the end of the vid.

[@Horasu]

Trash video. No reason to include 8700k in your raw CPU benchmarks, and no reason to include 8700k + 1050 TI in your CPU + GPU benchmarks. For CPU you should have only compared between similar price points, and for CPU + GPU you should have only compared between integrated graphics NOT dedicated graphics. Feels like you only include these numbers to dwarf AMD APUs in your scores. Even if you keep reiterating that you include for "numbers only" your agenda is obvious. Dislike.

[@bmcginnis6543]

The problem is, there isn't really anything else to compare the two AMD apus against..

[@binkaram6577]

@@bmcginnis6543 there is !!!

[@ottoFRAGGER2]

OMG i have been waiting for this all night!!!

[@antonnym214]

P.S. super impressive information here. I subscribed and gave you a thumbs-up

[@crazyahhkmed]

I've been waiting for these to release. Now I can get started on my mother's build.

[@evergaolbird]

I have to admit, I miss Paul's videos... Great job as always man! Keep it up.

[@dalilbaby4238]

When ALL the techtubers release the same benchmarks at the same time. LOVE IT

[@WayneWatson1]

A revisit of this a year later to see how much difference with more mature drivers?

[@dandaly7305]

Perhaps revisit this 8 months later and see if the drivers have improved?

[@xxN3CR0K1TTYxx]

1 minute in and you already answered my question . Thank you Paul.

[@Xen-wy6bo]

Great review. Clear on opinion. I hate when reviewers says it's upto u to decide which is the best.

[@Scitch87]

I'm a bit surprised that no one actually realised that the info of the charts are actually wrong. Because the Orange one is labeled "Ryzen 3 2200G" in the actual chart but in the Infos on the right Orange is labeled as "Ryzen 5 2200G". Similarly the Red one is labeled "Ryzen 5 2400G" in the chart but is labeled "Ryzen 3 2400G" in the Infos.....

[@hotrodanimal2733]

Oops Paul , there is a typo on your graphic for the benchmarks, In the lower right corner you have mixed up your Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3. Hey we all make mistakes from time to time, however not everyone has over 2k people scrutinizing their work...LOL ... as always , i really enjoy your content. I'm glad to see your back to posting more content, i hope you and your wife can find some comfort from all the well wishes we have for you. I know that must have been really tough and wish i could find a more eloquent way to express myself that would be of benefit to the both of you.

[@Fifanman]

Love it. Would love to see a tiny mini-itx build for a super cheap console pc. Overclocking as well. Good stuff Paul.

[@WarsunGames]

13:50 But did you go into the BIOS an set the MHz of the GPU to over 256MHz? For those who do not know. The default MHz on the APU is set to a low number to prevent overheating an damage.Using a 350 to 370 motherboard will allow you to access GPU MHz settings. So it depends on your motherboard.

[@benharvey1985]

Extremely helpful review...Thanks!

[@levsdman4373]

Any news about the 2400G? Did they fix it now?

[@sulray]

Thanks for the info Paul..

[@exoltik3199]

Decided to go for the 2200G as a stepping stone for getting me onto the Ryzen platform so I have a base system from which to work with and improve over time and immediately be able to actually play recent games alright. Seems like it'll serve that purpose very well.

[@gundam9187]

Hey Prof. Paul. My OCD got triggered when I saw mislabeling on your graph and legend. Give me extra credit pls! Haha good job on the video!

[@JohnConnVT802]

Hey Paul ... I appreciate the thorough & complete breakdown. I have a home DIY PC upgrade coming up in 2-3 months and you have given me a few things to think about. Nicely done. (My needs are very ...nigh...exceedingly...modest...replacing my AMD Athlon II X2 250, 4GB, NVIDIA GeForce GT 630)

[@dragon2knight]

I can't say thank you enough for showing what you did to get the results you got, makes it a much easier time setting these chips up for my customers :-) It also makes me look like I have a clue doing this in front of said customers XD Great review, these are the cpu's we need right now, and AMD should sell truckloads, and they deserve it. This is the area that Intel just can't compete and that's why I love, love, love AMD right now. Upgrading down the road will also make more sense going this route as it will of course cost you much less as you mentioned. Win Win all around :-) As always, great job Paul, thanks for all the hard work!

[@genengelsa]

Great video. Would love to see how they pair with the 1050 ti too. Kind of give me an idea if getting one now and waiting for gpus to come down in price is a good option or if I should just keep waiting and go with a non-apu Ryzen and a discrete gpu. Benchmarks for pure cpu power vs. the comparable non apu models would be helpful too. Keep up the good work!

[@Armfan99]

So Paul almost 6 months later time for a follow-up to see how the stuttering is?

[@Rickles]

I think it's worth while to note how many old games and low powered games are available to play on chips like this. I think these are a great value for anyone who has off put a build because of the GPU shortage.

[@CDReimer]

Newegg initially listed the 2200G for $129 and currently on sale for $109 today.

[@thomasbatley]

Would it not make more sense to put r3 2200G and r5 2400G vs i3 8100 or 8350k (i3 8350k wast of my £££) and i5 8400 8500 8600k insted of an i7 8700k/7700k

[@InDreamsYourMine]

Why no benchmarks of the 2200g and 2400G paired with a GTX-1050ti?

[@coreymyers1839]

Paul did you have to update the bios on the motherboard prior to using the 2200g?

[@AtomicAJ74]

We're all glad you're back, Paul. Even those of us who were just sitting here quietly and giving you and the wife time.

[@michaelhorton6158]

pertinent to my current path, thank you

[@maximthemagnificent]

Benchmarking the Ryzen CPUs with a discrete graphics card to give an idea what the eventual upgraded performance might be (assuming graphics card prices ever return to earth) would've been a useful addition. Thanks for all the info.

[@danieldavis3288]

Great to see ya back Paul, do you think either of these APUs would make for a good mitx HTPC?

[@davemarshallmusic]

So pretty funny. I guess the embargo lifted at 9:00AM Eastern time. You and Linus Tech Tips vids popped up at exactly the same time. Hah

[@annasoH323]

It's interesting that your assessment of the 2400G is that it's not as great of a deal as the 2200G. When I saw the initial reviews for these chips, I suddenly had the idea of building a super-portable, desktop-grade, mini computer for my brother who's potentially going away for college next year with a budget-ish laptop and possibly a computer-heavy major (longest sentence I've ever written, my apologies). I expect he would need lots of compute power, decent amount of graphics power (not a huge gamer, but for light rendering perhaps) and supreme portability for airplane reasons. 2400G seemed like a good fit. I wonder how these chips compare to the new NUCs with Vega graphics and Intel CPUs... Rambling aside, good to see you back, Paul.

[@techpappee]

It sounds as if AMD should have included the larger (mid) wraith cooler with the 2400G. Thanks for all your hard work Paul and welcome back! We missed you!

[@poeticsilence047]

Symmetry is very important Paul. Plus I like your graphs.