AMD's Crazy Apple M4 Killer

[@Nesformers]

I am BEGGING AMD to unf*ck their Mobile chip naming scheme. I know OEMs pushed them to do the "multiple recycled nodes on a single generation" thing for marketing's sake but for god's sake it feels like you need a PHD to actually know what architecture is in the processor of the laptop you're buying.

[@CHutch-w2u]

What a baby. Get over it dude your an adult ...I guess in theory

[@MrKarco]

it really doesn't matter what it's called. The main thing is price/performance and perf/watt. It takes literally 2 seconds to google a chip and figure out which architecture it's running..

[@quantum5661]

and im begging AMD to actually put this sort of hardware on desktop sockets

[@chrisbullock6477]

People love complaining about unimportant things or jumping on bandwagon about meaningless topics when the user experience, Performance improvements, thermals..etc are what's important. Way more than a companies naming decision.

[@chrisbullock6477]

I don't have a PHD and still I'm educated enough to know what I'm purchasing.

[@purandhar-hm6vx]

16th thread , 32 core? In voice over at 0:20 .

[@Liatin1]

mega core architecture! /s

[@hupekyser]

It's the new dual core per thread architecture for dividing the throughput by 2. Genius design

[@eddtru]

AMD Bulldozer/Piledriver Vietnam flashbacks

[@rajarshi07]

Hyperthreading with a new name​@@hupekyser

[@haakoflo]

Came here to say that, too :)

[@floppa9415]

Bro using the old Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Wallpaper. Thats epic!

[@ekinteko]

I thought that looked familiar!

[@cruz1ale]

wow, 16 threads with 32 cores? this is some new tech right here

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

return of bulldozer lol

[@cybersamiches4028]

Half threads

[@domifresh8079]

"Hypo"-Threading unlocked

[@Cho-denki-rabbit]

Meta threads for the imaginary workloads, to accelerate dividing imaginary numbers 😂 Į

[@GyroCannon]

These CPUs might be good as a Mac Mini competitors but until we have battery life numbers, I don't see them in MacBook competitors at all

[@anand.suralkar]

It has more battery life than macbook m4

[@ThePrestigeification]

@@anand.suralkarit has 10 hour battery life according to ASUS. That’s not even close to the M4. Where are you coming up with your conclusion?

[@Boi28-i2i]

​@@anand.suralkarlol are u high?

[@RedForceProductions]

the fact that a gaming and production beast like this was marketed only as an AI product is nuts

[@fVNzO]

This would be huge for on the go AI workloads if asus DOES NOT literally charge 5-10x the market rate for memory like apple. That's all they have to do. Get the chip into a thin 16" macbook competitor and give users 128GB *without being greedy*. The only issue would be software compatibility, but it's definitely solvable over the long term. And simply giving users more memory for a reasonable price would be a massive selling point.

[@MrHamncheez]

Ya, without CUDA ai workloads are going to struggle for a while longer while the alternatives develop

[@tablettablete186]

I think I would use the NVIDIA digits superchip, which has 128GiB of unified memory

[@richardmartin8112]

Chuck this in a zephyrus g 16

[@Agallx]

Effectively a quad channel 8000MT/sec TDP limited 9950x. It should beat the 9950x with ~2.6x the memory bandwidth in some use cases, especially if we're talking 120W vs 250W.

[@Ray88G]

Running local Ai will be soo mucfh easier

[@yeshyk3694]

I would say it's less TDP limited 9950X and more like OC'ed, previous Zen4 laptop chips already came within 90% of the same desktop chips, while using like 70% power

[@stranger01422]

Dude 2000$ msrp isn't bad at all. It could be 1800$ in just a few months with discounts.

[@animecutscenes3414]

Don't say this shit, next years ai pro max plus fe 695+++ laptop will launch at 3k plus for a 15% performance increase

[@yuki1zz668]

Tbf if it’s competing against MacBook Pro it’s decently priced (compared to apple since it could be upgradable) and it also has touch screen now the only thing that would make it bad it’s if the battery life it’s even 2 hours less or if it dies on sleep mode by morning no one will buy it.

[@cesartmkt]

i hate the 6900hs + rtx 3050 flow model, a lot of laptops with bad battery in minus than a year, i hope ASUS can make a better job in that department

[@dd22koopaesverde58]

literally no point 6900hs apu is close to 3050 laptop 35w

[@thatzaliasguy]

Finally an all AMD gaming laptop in a tablet formfactor PERFECT for Linux!

[@darkness-j6f]

except for the price i really hope when it going in a mini pc product or other the price is gonna be reasonable it have so much potential

[@electrodacus]

@@darkness-j6f Yes, I'm also looking for a mini pc form factor with 128GB or ram to run Linux.

[@Sharku427]

SteamOS bro, it would double as a travel combo for steamOS gaming and with that external dock 5090 at home with a OLED tv.. book, just link up wireless controller and its living room 4k gaming pc to its neat, the price will not be neat.

[@arthurpizza]

This is so close for my wants. If we get OLED and pen support, it would be nearly perfect.

[@MidnightToker24]

Linux sucks unless you’re only working from a web browser.

[@H0prince]

that chip in a budget gaming laptop, I'm sold

[@deltasixtwo]

wow, every core has half the threads peak technology

[@one_step_sideways]

AMD hired this man

[@AzVfL]

Hypothreading

[@BuzzKiller23]

Cool. Let us know when the actual review comes out.

[@MaheerKibria]

This is the processor that made PC mobile interesting to me again. And this device has me excited since at least on their website they are going to have a 128GB version of this which means It is a viable mobile workstation. The AI performance being misleading or not depends on how you look at it. I've often run into GPU VRAM limitations on my 4090 when using AI to train it on my own art in order to use it for previs so yeah even if it's slower the fact that it will be faster overall because it won't be memory bound is a good thing. Also, I think the microSD is fine. You can get a microSD to Full SD adaptor for $10-20 while maintaining the speed and use it to transfer from a camera. Yeah, its a bit more work but it's not the end of the world.

[@ChrisBa303]

My main problem with all the "Macbook Killer" is that most of them make Apple look like a good deal. Most M3 Macbook Air killer cost 200-400 Euro more and even the Rog flow z13 costs 200 Euro more than the M4 pro macbook pro. I hope they really bring down their prices.

[@rinsenpai135]

This. This AMD mega chip won't be a Macbook killer if it costs nearly twice as much as the entry level MacBooks and MacBook Air, while still needing a dGPU to accelerate workloads even further.

[@ryanvacation7319]

Not yet. But it’s close.

[@Rabaikal]

They drop in price quite fast though compared to apple products

[@rj7250a]

@rinsenpai135 The Ryzen 395 is a premium chip for premium laptops, it is not meant to compete with a $1k Macbook Air, it is way more powerful. It will compete with $2k Macbook Pro with the M4 Pro, wicb have similar performace.

[@Piquliar]

The power packed into this thing aside, the port selection is really impressive imho considering the form factor when many laptops don't even come with such a solid port selection.

[@christophermullins7163]

I would be the most interwsted in the performance and batter life of a lower tdp setting on battery. 1080p 60 in cyberpunk at 3+hrs would be incredible. Probably still a couple geberations off but this is the point that things really get interesting where full AAA compromise free gaming is fully viable. smaller hand helds are still several generations off.

[@Trevellian]

When you test this with DaVinci Resolve, please check whether it has hardware acceleration for H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 color. So many cameras now output this as their highest quality codec, and none of AMD's CPUs accelerate it. All of Intel and Apple's chips do accelerate it. Without acceleration, h.265 10-bit 4:2:2 edits poorly.

[@MKR3238]

Is it because of 4:2:2 instead of 4:2:0?

[@puertadlm163]

All you’d have to do is enable gpu acceleration. I edit with a 5800X3D and a 7900XTX and I edit a lot of Sony A1 4k H.265 422 10bit footage. Its edits like a dream no proxy needed. So with the Ryzen Ai max having such a large gpu why are you concerned with the CPU?

[@IRudra]

As said before is it because in Intel and Apple case, it s the iGPU which is doing that work😅?

[@alihammad6318]

@@MKR3238 Yes

[@seanedits10]

The full review gonna be fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@lordv1le859]

Question is why are they comparing a 30W chip to ones that runs at 120W? The M4 isn’t a 50W CPU is a 50W chip.

[@ekinteko]

This. The M4/Pro/Max are currently the best chipsets because they are the fastest, quietest, and last the longest for mobile devices. He hasn't really shown how it actually compares properly. Like an apples to apples, by plotting the performance, battery life, etc etc. Like you said, a 40W CPU is NOT the same as a 40W Chipset. Especially when that CPU wants to ramp up to 60W and we have some iGPU/NPU cores also begging for energy. That's not even mentioning the better union of software and drivers that a singular Apple supports compared to Microsoft/AMD/OEM dynamic. I do think AMD narrowed the distance, only for Apple to pull further ahead. We probably need another full-generation (+3nm) to see the gaps close, so another 1.5-2.5 years wait.

[@lordv1le859]

@ there’s a reason why they used the M4 Pro and not the Max. That’s because the Max levels the new AMD chip whilst still using less power.

[@ekinteko]

@@lordv1le859 You're probably right. But it's not journalistically honest. Most of us watched this video to see how AMD did catch up to Apple, but this does not seem to be the case.

[@rj7250a]

@lordv1le859 First, the wattage figures of the AMD chips include the whole package i assume, not the CPU only. It is a 120 Watts limit for the whole package. Second, the cheapesy M4 Max laptop is $4k, while the Ryzen laptops will start at $2k. It is like saying that a $1k Iphone levels a $500 Android in speed, it is a pointless comparision.

[@younessbourass6847]

How does it compare performance wise to the m4 max 128 gb ram

[@electrodacus]

The M4 max will have higher performance but is more expensive and not x86 compatible so no Linux. The performance is closer to M4 pro.

[@WybremGaming]

@@electrodacus multicore performance, single core it's barely beating a 5 year old m1.

[@jacobplyler3470]

I want to see this utilized by Minisforum.

[@robmoye7373]

Or Beelink

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

Quad-channel memory integrated into the GPU and CPU, it will be super fast in normal task's. This may be a small breakthrough for laptops with windows, I can't wait for the first tests.

[@kaszas272HU]

The biggest problem with the Flow Z13 series is the keyboard always dies and as Asus says its unfixable soo my question is . Are they fixed it with this model or not ?

[@occasionalshredder]

Hopefully apple gets some competitors but man when I got my first MacBook an M2 Max pro I was blown away, all day battery life, doesn’t die when it’s closed and renders videos twice as fast as my 5800x3d or even more

[@player.8663]

when will you review thermalright royal pretor and knight

[@7nbdy7]

ive owned the z13 i9 4050 2023 for about two years at this point and im excited for this

[@walter1824]

Just call it Ryzen 9 395 Oh, 03:38 and also *the real* Ryzen 4070 😂

[@woofaki5550]

What i would like to know,s the battery is user replaceable,and if so how easy it is to be removed.

[@yonatankurniawan9026]

Imagine adding a 360 hinge and sticking in a second display. That will make it a productivity beast. And it will be a perfect Zenbook duo.

[@yeshyk3694]

see GPD Duo

[@MaxDankOG]

1080p mini gaming PC of my dreams is coming soon! Forget discrete graphics!

[@J4sonkempson]

Running bazzite

[@glanerao1356]

AMD 9800X3D Is crazy insane 🔥

[@jake-ly]

Its amazing and we've been wanting this. The only negative I can see with the onboard GPU is most local AI right now requires Cuda. Unfortunately there's no getting away from Nvidia for that yet

[@Ray88G]

It does make sense , especially the quad channel memory

[@thibaldus3]

No pen compatibility for creators?

[@christianr.5868]

It has pen capabilities, all rog flow x13 models do

[@thibaldus3]

@@christianr.5868 Really? No one is speaking about it.

[@MattAK]

I would love to get a mini pc with one of these in it. I don't want/need a tablet form factor but a mini pc would be perfect.

[@ennio5763]

A comparison to the M4 Max would be more appropriate for this range of power

[@samwise8731]

We need this spec inside the Zenbook Duo 2025!!! Imagine running VMs on the two different screens.

[@thoreberlin]

Reminder: AMD still doesn't support adaptive Vsync, so a VRR display is an absolute must! Otherwise you fall for half refresh rate once your refresh rate falls below monitor refresh or you have to choose between poison and cholera: triple buffering (stutter) or vSync off (constant tearing even when you are above monitor refresh).

[@kevadu]

I'm much more interested in getting this chip in a standard laptop form factor. Why would I need it in a tablet? I know HP announced something but they don't even have a price or release date. Kind of looks like it will be expensive though. Why are there so few models using this...

[@elkoku2002]

If it runs in a tablet just imagine how can perform in a laptop!!

[@arya_amg]

It's just flex to put it in a tablet It will be in laptops

[@kevadu]

@@arya_amg I'm sure it will eventually, it's just frustrating that so few products have actually been announced. It's literally just this and the HP. The HP one is a laptop but it seems to really be going after the "AI workstation" market, talking about stuff like 128GB of RAM configurations and will likely be very expensive...

[@IRudra]

I only want a mini PC with that beast… The tablet version ll be limited unless you keep it with charger

[@zlonewolf]

The AMD naming is confusing but they're going after the Nvidia with xx70 naming and Apple with their xxAI Max and Max + Maybe for the American market its weird but the rest of the world its common sense.

[@katsuo11]

What’s strap are you rocking with that beautiful Hamilton khaki auto?

[@mariussm7797]

I don't understand why ASUS didn't bring back the Zenbook Pro line-up using this without dGPU inside....

[@mehdiazad75]

I remember to have the same wallpaper on my galaxy note tablet back in 2015 😢

[@TheGrizz485]

When is the review embargo on this thing.

[@yeshyk3694]

I think Feb

[@blowawayvids]

Imagine this in the Legion Go

[@xblur17]

@0:48 why is AMD comparing it to 12 and 14 core "Pro" parts, when Apple has an M4 Max variant with 16 cores? The Max is usually 20% faster in these workloads than even the 14-core Pro, so maybe that's why... They were scared to get smacked by reality. Real shady stuff...

[@bob_smite]

It's interesting how chip companies are trending to unified memory for consumer AI workloads. Because of the slowing down of process nodes, shortening the distance between components seems necessary. Apple has M chips, Nvidia has Grace and Blackwell in Project Digits, AMD has Ryzen AI, Qualcomn has always had it... Does Intel even have a unified memory solution with a powerful GPU? They've only had low power iGPU unified memory for consumers.

[@fVNzO]

That's not really the main reason why they're transitioning to unified memory. We are just simply at a place now where it's feasible to have memory either on the same interposer or close to the CPU using low power LPDDR5. Consoles have been using unified memory for decades. LPDDR5 just happens to be now *good enough* for graphics workloads which wasn't the case before. And it has the advantage of making a much cheaper system. But don't get it twisted, LPDDR5 is still a major bottleneck in for instance AI due to the less than ideal bandwidth compared to GDDR. It's just a very natural extension of silicon to slowly iterate towards unifying the entire compute platform. That wasn't possible until very recently because of density, chiplet and efficiency advancements. APUs are nothin new, integrating the PCH is nothing new etc. What's new is, it's finally catching up to the software consumers want to run.

[@592Johno]

Their new battlemage GPUs seems to be really good. Cus they can pull off huge performance gain with way less hardware compared to their previous gen. I hope they can scale it up or down depending on the application. More competition, the better.

[@pweddy1]

The quad channel memory will make this an absolute beast even compared to desktops.

[@dimarak8866]

Can you write or draw on this with a pen?

[@TheGrizz485]

Releasing this With only 32GB memory is silly. It cost them probably $50 to bump it to 64 and make it much more useful for developer how wont mind dropping $2500-$3000 on something like this.

[@GenomiMontavani]

After getting an OLED Steam Deck and OLED monitor, I unfortunately would only become interested in this product when they upgrade that IPS display. Sucks because everything else looks amazing, hopefully that’s something they’ll add as an additional option soon.

[@CaSsErDoDoLiVe]

This is the device that I am most excited in entire CES 2025

[@JjJetplan]

I really wish this had some sort of dedicated occulink or a tb5 port. Would have really future proofed this product for me, as it could already easily replace the core of my mobile studio set up. :\ smh so cool tho

[@Jabid21]

Isn’t it nice that companies are finally starting to provide better CPU, GPU, memory bandwidth designs because they want to cash in on AI? Even Apple increased their base memory to 16GB on MacBooks. It’s still nice to see hardware’s getting better and more efficient regardless of the reason for it. Strix Halo looks like a good chip to build portable or SFF gaming devices.

[@EdwardElric6464]

This chip looks sick. Now put it in a ROG Ally with Steam OS.

[@nameless_stranger]

Its not on the level of M4 Pro 14c or M4 MAX yet, but I believe AMD can pull it off in the next few years. It's gonna ba an exciting upgrade in the next generations!

[@CHutch-w2u]

You don't have a clue

[@nameless_stranger]

@CHutch-w2u I missed the part where the confusion comes from. This is the most bot name ive seen lol

[@skorpysk]

as much as i agree with the naming being bad We then have to think back about the common rule of life, that's more often than not correct, worse it sounds, better it is

[@orthoboy9670]

The faster they can bring APUs to the entry level in PC building the more dominance they can have over market you only need a fast ram to compete against discrete graphics

[@BunnyKhatri-pd8zm]

Its not the chip, its the OS (windows)

[@backgammonbacon]

If it runs those large LLM's at reading speed its going to sell a ton for home use, when your GFX card runs out of VRAM it uses the CPU or falls over, no point being fast if you don't have the RAM. I'm starting to see that the mainstream PC journalists simply do not understand AI work loads. Can't wait for larger desktop NPU's.

[@_shreyash_anand]

This device has SO MUCH potential. I just hope AMD's software doesn't let it down. That massive memory pool is it's greatest asset. The GPU software support it's greatest liability. AMD isn't well supported for AI workloads. Almost no 3D applications support hardware acceleration with their GPUs where the huge VRAM can also be very beneficial and even in apps and jobs where they are supported, competitors such as Nvidia and Apple are generally significantly faster. I hope they work on this because this could be great. If they don't, and they haven't for some reason for years now, they will lose all the advantage they have with this. Corona and VRay, 2 apps they're using in their own benchmarks do not have any hardware acceleration for AMD GPUs. If you put an RTX 3050 Laptop alongside on that same graph, it would literally be off the scale. Please AMD. Work with devs and software companies. Do not fuck this up. We already know Nvidia is making their own SoC. Please.

[@VipreNZ]

SD card reader is perfect for creators wanting to pull photos or videos off their cameras.

[@henrikg1388]

I'd like to see some benchmarks before I say it is anything for gaming laptops. Not there yet, is my guess. Would like to see their new GPUs in mobile formats rather.

[@StaySic4Ever]

One extra that would be awesome is to see an X3D model even if it's 8-core chip. Awesome to see this finally a larger iGPU chip. Would be amazing to see desktop variant like console chip that would be such option for a small and powerful PC though.

[@yeshyk3694]

I want too, seems like it (X3D cache) has high idle draw, maybe they can fix it?

[@StaySic4Ever]

@@yeshyk3694 nah this was more AI oriented chip so I take it was no need for more cache but GPU stuiff

[@joels7605]

AMD Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust. We shall call it Geoff.

[@mg4340]

The price of this thing reflects how much the ROG paid for the marketing and advertising

[@dpxr]

Will it run SteamOS?

[@toma.cnc1]

16 thread 32 core ???????????????????

[@estusflask982]

Is it ARM?

[@SourianteOrange]

Hi! Vey surprising results. Can you tell more information about Zephyrus 2025 models? Are they a good competitor and replacement of Macbook m4 line in terms of performance, efficiency and battery life? Thanks in advance.

[@Bingfast]

I would be more interested if this meant the prices would drop but nope

[@wenenwo5341]

i really want asus to make more premium laptops i also want them to increase WHs on ryzen ai max+ laptops for more battery life

[@justincase9471]

16 thread, 32 core? That's a very special CPU indeed, they shoud call it AMD LYMP.

[@criminalcuteness3952]

Why is the laptop mobile space more exciting than the desktop space right now

[@pieflies]

All the non-Mac laptops I’ve ever owned died due to issues related to overheating, so if they have a good cooling system they’re on the right track. I’ve never had or known anyone who had a Mac laptop that had overheating issues, and their lifespan is significantly longer in my experience.

[@busybee2148]

Apple M4 max is there and M4U is on the way And what they showed is just one area in real world test we only know if Amd one is comparable to M4 ones

[@leophoenix1452]

Finally we got the real ryzen 4070 for real!

[@Chris.Brisson]

We need to look at TOPS per $.

[@electrodacus]

TOPS are less relevant for large LLM's and the more important is the memory bandwidth that is the limiting factor.

[@addy614]

Why aren't they using these in a thin and light laptop like a Asus Zenbook? I'd queue up to buy. A thin and light with GPU performance between 4060and 4070. Holy shit!

[@DizConnected]

Is AMD going to release a Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 CPU that drops into AM5 motherboards?

[@yonathandevash7657]

I can't wait until some company releases a Mac mini/studio like small computer with this chip

[@And-vx6ry]

😢 i wish lunar lake came with 16 cores and device like this.

[@aliettienne2907]

7:47 A laptop with a detachable keyboard 🤔? This is like an evolved tablet form factor. Hey, not too bad 👋🏾👋🏾. If it retain the same performance as a laptop then this is excellent. 😎💯💪🏾👍🏾

[@Bojcha76]

16 thread 32 cores?

[@marc3964]

``16 thread, 32 core? or 16 core, 32 thread?

[@KrYPTzx]

16 core 32 thread

[@teamredstudio7012]

To avoid confusion, that USB A port is not USB 2 but USB 3.1 Gen 2.

[@nnnnnn3647]

still crap/

[@chadwolf3840]

X86 needs an m4 competitor badly esp with snapdragon

[@JayDee-b5u]

I don't think this has much to do with windows devices. This is x86 no matter the operating system.

[@salsaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Ipad kids got blessed with this one.

[@pumpuppthevolume]

how does it compare to 8700g

[@ploed]

Still waiting for a solid Microsoft Surface Pro with AMD Hardware.

[@FoxxFire]

Sorry I can't help but make this one last comment. "Unified memory" is Apple's marketing term, as is "Max." Why is AMD copying Apple's marketing terms? Just make up your own - your chip is good enough now that you don't need to follow anyone else. Copying Apple's marketing feels like it cheapens the awesome chip you created (IMHO of course).

[@1introvert_guy]

The part about “unified memory” isn’t correct. The term unified memory has at least been used before by NVIDIA, although in a different context. I’ve seen references to unified memory architecture even in some Intel based systems (e.g. Aurora supercomputer nodes have a unified memory architecture). As I see it now, it’s more of a technology term than a marketing term.

[@undertone2472]

AMD doesn't know how to be a marker leader 😂

[@Luke-qs2cg]

Do you genuinely think the word max is an apple marketing term? Where have you been for 100+ years?

[@solsticeprojekt1937]

16 thread, 32 cores! That's ... horrible! LOL :D

[@Wyn3e]

My ranked teammates

[@nyverinorlyth9555]

Please test the device on Linux for the full review

[@WybremGaming]

2800 single core, barely faster than the M1 lol. Also a total of 100watts vs 40 on the M4 Pro. It is good for x86, happy to see it.

[@metallixro]

Ok where is the 600$ Mac Mini competitor ?! Nowhere ?! Thought so :))

[@ChrisKadaver]

I would consider this at around 400 USD with tax included. That's what I paid for my Acer nitro 10th gen i5 laptop with GTX 1660 ti a couple of years ago. Buying something newer and more modern I just assume to get more performance. But not at a cost increase.