America's Cup Match: Key details analysed

[@mccandless]

You must do a live stream during the cup, you can't let Freddie get all the post race live air time. MozzyLive is a must

[@sjc9832]

I reckon these boys could get themselves on the Inside Tack!

[@Paul_Thomas]

Who is Freddie?

[@wilimow]

​@@Paul_Thomas Freddie is a part of team GB, Cyclor His second job is making youtube videos tho, on the Team GB youtube which are really good. Id love to listen to mozzys commentary during a race!

[@Tim_in_Vancouver_Can]

Absolutely agree. I look forward to your analysis each time you post. I’d love to watch that !!!

[@matty665]

I fully agree, I would rather listen to Mozzy and his mates than the officials.

[@morgananderson9647]

I love this conversation & analysis. It's almost like the waiting room for the podium finishers at an F1 race where they can all watch the race highlights and make comments. I would love for you 3 to do a livestream commentary we all could hear during all the final match racing. It would be so much better listening to your insights. All the best, M-

[@aardvarkmindshank]

This 👆

[@Spartan902]

Cheers Mozzy, Rob and Tom for the chat. 🍻🇦🇺 Can't wait for the final!

[@DaveandGinny972]

Been glued to the entire series for years now on the run up to the 37th. You always manage to point out 'stuff' that I've completely missed. Makes the entire event all the more interesting...cheers guys.

[@daniel.mcleay]

Please do more of these videos Mozzy great with the boys

[@yachtmustang]

You guys didn't talk about the big differences in mainsheet control and the impact this might have on aero efficiency. There were times in the round robins when TNZ looked like they could sail with smaller sails and hence less aero drag which might be as a result of their better aero control. This might give them an edge upwind which, as Rob suggested, is where the biggest opportunity is to gain control.

[@MozzySails]

True, completely missed that bit we had spoke about it before. It will be interesting to see ETNZ stern camera and the actual utilisation of thier twin mainsheet set up

[@nem447]

This channel defo deserves more subs and views...greetings from NZ 👊

[@MozzySails]

Glad you think so!

[@eastlandplumbinggasfitting9687]

So good to see the boys back , so much insight. Hope to see you again soon

[@guybrandon750]

Great to see Rob and Tom back at last!!

[@real2gone]

Great to see the team together again. Loved Rob's Dad joke!!! Another great vid, Tom. EDIT: Great choice of sponsor's product to drink!!!!!!!

[@MozzySails]

Thanks! 👍

[@seoulkiwi]

Many thanks for all the Cup insights. Been fabulous. 🇳🇿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@timjones3094]

Thanks for the commentary boys ! Tim from Oregon USA

[@kurtsettle4903]

Thanks

[@MozzySails]

thank you!

[@jamesaron1967]

Thank you so much for all your videos examining the tech and techniques of the teams in this America's Cup. It would not be the same without your analysis.

[@redcavnz9618]

Excellent the full crew with beer is back!!!

[@kenglasson2920]

Totally, great to see

[@aardvarkmindshank]

Brilliant as always. Well done chaps.

[@pierpa]

I have a wild guess that LR's starting strategy was constrained by the limited manouverability of their boat in tight manouvers. They had had a couple of skids in pre starts earlier in the series and might have decided to stick to a timed start because of that.

[@gregmorrison7320]

I'm a Kiwi and I'm predicting the NZ boat will be faster because that's usually just what happens. But I'm glad the Brits made the final.

[@dulls8475]

They should be. The advantage of the defender is pretty hard to beat.

[@CG-99]

Arrogant confidence is dangerous - you'd better hope the kiwi sailors are not as over confident as their supporters.

[@LotusEliseNZ]

Not necessarily. Brave design decisions killed them in '03 and the boat was a dog. We know the kiwi boat's not a dog because they sail alongside the challengers for a good chunk of the LV cup these days, but I suspect the boats won't be too far apart speed-wise.

[@jweitzenheimer]

As a half Kiwi I'm supporting those boys but if they're gonna lose I'm glad it's Ineos. We won't know until after the first two races

@@CG-99 Hardly arrogance. What supporter ever expresses a wish his team will lose. I bet you don't. Though there is a country that has made a virtue of the magnificent defeat. We know you poms have a fast boat but we still want to win. As do you. There. That's sport and best discussed over a couple of beers.

[@danwong731]

Just a thought.... Seeing as INEOS dev was powered by an F1 team.... Have they utilised the disturbed air coming off the platform as a design feature? This is certainly something F1 has experience with (hence they've changed the rule in F1). The stabilizers on the upper rudder housing? The twist of air flow across the belly of the hull? Hmmmm..... Love the content! Thanks man!!!

[@floodo1]

Can’t wait, would be amazing if it was close and lasted for many races … fingers crossed

[@MartinHoffFoilingSailboats]

Good stuff @mozzysails and crew! About the start strategy, I agree ITA ended up being fairly predictable. But starting at the middle, with your competitor starting at the pin, seems to be the best spot to start, for a couple reasons. Key context here is that, the vast majority of races are defined by the first cross, and that boats are evenly matched on speed. And - this course has boundaries, and is narrow. - starting on the starboard side of the boat that's on the pin gives you an option: it allows you to tack away on a wind shift - the port-side boat does not have this option - taking away early, if you are confident you are ahead (or faster) just enough that you can absorb 1 tack loss, means you get to the first cross with starboard rights The pin boat has no leverage options until they are against the boundary - only a drastic speed edge gives you option.

[@firstnamelastname2669]

Makes sense but I'm still surprised they did it again in the last race as it hadn't worked out too well.

[@MartinHoffFoilingSailboats]

​@@firstnamelastname2669 I think you're right, don't keep doing what doesn't work. Now, if you're evenly matched on speed, and you execute, this approach should give you the upper hand. So I'm starting to think that ITA found itself a click slower. I think she was slower on the acceleration to the line, or just a smidgen late to trigger. A couple meters behind there gets amplified. What can you do here if you are a click slower? Short of a pre start tangle, I don't know what I'd try.

[@jweitzenheimer]

I wondered why LR did not keep pushing Ineos to the boundary. I thought they had them but I guess the sailors didn't see it that way

[@gvz1538]

Great commentary, thanks guys!! Jerry from Tucson (yes, the desert and too far from the ocean). It's going to be exciting racing!!

[@johnstephen2869]

Greetings to Tucson from NZ. (would love to see it one day) Yes Mozzy Sails is likeded

[@GeneticDrifter]

Best America's cup content out there

[@AndrewCollins77]

Great chat as always gents. One thing you didn't touch on was the effect/role of the leeward helms and trimmers too. The leeward helm is probably doing things like course calculations and monitoring the wind situation, but the leeward trimmer (and sailing cyclor) could be monitoring/adjusting all manner of things. Have heard Ben (I think) say 'My Trav' a load of times as well, so there is possibly a bit of steering/power combo for the windward pilot going on. Ineos' trimmer position being at the back would have a better view angle to the foil to monitor ventilation etc as well.

[@macscott5290]

Re your last point. Freddie let slip on one of the last inside tacks that one of his jobs was watching main sheet loads? Could be that he stays away from max effort at key times in tacks and gybes (with the other 3 going max effort) and he does his max efforts when everything is stable sail wise? Given the oil reservoir on the boat you could probably have the same average max power across all 4 cyclors but spread the max effort times (assume same on the other side). Would be interesting to look at when the rear cyclors are putting out max effort?

[@MozzySails]

We're a bit dependent on when they show the cyclor power graphic, but it's something to look out for

[@cello.s]

Have seen often that they switch in cycling mode and not all cyclors doing the same effort. Heard that at american magic one cyclor choose the gear for all of them assuming that they had to push at the same time where in the final the high watt numbers changed from time to time between the sailors. looking forward to live data of this as some races were definetly decided by the amount of power available and how fast the sails were trimmed. Thanks mozzy for all your work into these videos. Loving it!

[@PeterBrand-ky8zw]

Exactly. What I said later before I read this: On the cyclors doing critical trim adjustments. From what you said it sounds like normally only 1, and maybe for brief periods in manoeuvres 2, of the cyclors will be trimming. And at each tack and gybe that’ll switch to the other side of the boat. On the power data you often see one cyclor around 200W while the others are >400W. So isn’t it the case that the one that has to use his brain is backing off the physical effort a bit? So the two non-sailing cyclors are the primary power source and the two sailing cyclors take turns - one pedals hard while the other trims and pedals gently, and swap at the next tack/gybe.

[@macscott5290]

@@PeterBrand-ky8zw That’s what I’m thinking. Also links into two other points that seem key in this series 1) balancing sails and foil trimming at key points in time and 2) the rumours of auto pilot modes and software updates. Could well be that Freddie is tasked to press button A then wait for load level of X on the mainsheet before pressing button B. With that press being cross linked to foil trimming work through bespoke software? Also links into @MozzySails previous point about the benefits INEOS and LR got from LEQ12 approach earlier on? I do a bit of cycling and I could definitely manage that level of workload when putting out half my peak power (which is a lot less than Freddie’s numbers 😀). EDIT: just had another thought. This approach also links into INEOS towing mast idea. They might have been able to tune their software model between the top/bottom halves of the boat better/earlier with loads coming through the mast and foils at the same time?

[@DriverDad58]

Good to see you all together. Looking forward to the racing!

[@greggvandenbosch8230]

it seemed to me that in the pre-start Ineos was frequently putting themselves in position to "sweep" in front of Luna Rosa, just like a fan to suck their wind and get them off the foils. They would flick around so fast that it must have significantly disrupted air flow

[@MEastland]

Isn't it remarkable for all the huge amount of recon and data out there, we (& it seems you three) still have no idea who will be quicker? It makes it a lot more exciting. Thanks for the great insights guys.

[@WildThingss]

No idea? You must not have checked the data you mention.

[@WaiWill]

@@WildThingss To be fair, it'd be a mistake to assume that the data we have gives us a decisive picture on who is faster. As ETNZ where always going to the AC, they used the LVC as a training exercise to air out tactics/strategy including variable speed run's, so it's fair to assume that we don't know their top end speed yet. To be honest, I don't think speed is going to be the deciding factor anyway, it'll come down to strategy, build quality/reliability, then speed and of course a bit of luck.

[@GordonjSmith1]

Really interesting conversation. My thanks. PS Also your insight on the live feed on YT - between you and Jemmet (Jon Emmet) there is a lot that adds to the experience .

[@dadcooks1347]

Counting down the hours... I think this cup will be amazing viewing, just from a racing/tactical perspective, let alone the speed/technology. I'm a Kiwi and I really want TNZ to win, but if we had to lose it to anyone, seeing the cup held in the UK would be pretty cool. Bring it on!

[@minime453]

absolutely! kiwi here, I'm glad the challenger is Ineos which seemingly guarantees at least one more cup cycle in the 75s

[@Alpinefolk]

Another kiwi here. I’m still pissed at Etnz for taking the cup to Europe so I’m happy for them to lose. That said I’d have preferred them to lose to Luna Rossa. I’ve been glued to every AC since 1987 but this one has been a bit meh. The fact that racing is from 2-4am hasn’t helped. The racing has gotten closer and better but not a single pass in the LV final?

[@motorboomersnz9888]

Totally agree! You guys are brilliant. Your analysis is so good.

[@Trajan2401]

​​@@Alpinefolk4-0 it ain't gonna happen 😂.

[@realclean123]

Love your work Mozzy. As a Aucklander I was originally strongly opposed the choice to hold the competition in Barcelona. In hind sight I think its been the best move for the Americas Cup. I love the variability that this open ocean venue has brought to the racing. The sea state and winds have elevated the demands on the teams and brought in an element of chance that an inshore venue might never bring. Every race has been a outstanding display of walking the knife edge. I mean how nuts was the final of the LV?! If this racing was taking place in Auckland i reckon it would have been boring af by comparison. Happy to eat my words on venue choice, despite not having the magic vibe in my home town. I would love to see the kiwis take it out again but to be honest if ineos win then its may well make things even more exciting for the future of the cup. As a spectator I'm all for that! Either way we can't lose. I'm super excited for this to kick off! How lucky are we?!

[@sjc9832]

Another kiwi here, totally agree. Except for the handful of times they were on course C, Auckland was flat and steady with no passing lanes. Barcelona has given us something new most days!

[@LotusEliseNZ]

Love to see the 38th AC/LV match races being circumnavigations of the Isle of Wight!

[@Codetapper]

@@sjc9832 But there wasn't a single pass in the entire LV final, that's been so disappointing. If you look back at San Fran 2013 for example, the first 10 races or so the lead changed so often as one boat went across to have starboard advantage on the next cross. The boats were forced to tack and gybe much more. This series has been pretty boring, especially the downwind legs as the leading boat does about 3 gybes and they're at the mark, no overtaking, you are pretty much relying on the guy in front falling off the foils to overtake.

[@sjc9832]

@@Codetapper there were a few passes in race 9 and in the abandoned race, while the 2013 LV final had no passes and the same boat led at every mark (except when NZ's boat shut down while they were leading in race 2). I agree the 2013 AC was amazing, but so was the USA vs ITA semi this year. It's really really hard to create the conditions for competitive match racing in a design competition, and I think they've done pretty well here.

[@davidpicken6879]

One of the unwritten rules of the America's cup is always have a big chunk of pace that you keep in the bag until you reach the final. Linked control software can be very good at hiding the boats true potential.

[@qtrfoil]

25:30 Roll control. Is asymmetric flap employment allowed? And/or cross controlled to rudder? Bring the bow through quicker with less rudder drag, back to speed more quickly?

[@BradMcAlpine]

Incredible data from your youth team. Good luck to Ben.🙂

[@petertelford5338]

The ETNZ ability to flatten the windward sail in light airs makes them unbeatable. power over anything else wins. if you look at the cross section of any high lift aeroplane it is a thick wing with flat underside and rounded underside. hence lower pressure created on the upper side equals lift. on ETNZ it means massive power differentials to the d mo.o leech control wire

[@Quantum3669]

I wandered if Luna Rosa were liable to fall off the foils when battling before the start. This happened at least once. After that they played it simple in the start box.

[@dulls8475]

Good point. She also nearly fell of the foils in good winds after rounding marks. At least a couple of time Jimmy shouted out he did not know what happened there...

[@charlottescott7150]

Thanks Mozzy, Tom and Rob.

[@mikeh996]

Love these War Room/cupboard chats lol About time the boys got decent handles too🍻

[@tristankiddie1710]

I'd say that the advantages the kiwis are getting within those rules pales in comparison to the growth and race craft that Ineos has gained.

[@Animosity6792]

Exactly that. It's a way to mitigate the deficit of not having multiple boats in Defenders series.

[@matthewungar2138]

Where did all that “gained” race craft experience go? So incredibly disappointing thus far. Just a complete walk over by the Kiwis.

[@tristankiddie1710]

@matthewungar2138 race craft is only helpful when it's close, when you can get in and mix it up. They did well in race 2. The kiwi boat just seems better. These aren't gains from being able to access the race course, it's a fast boat and a very slick crew. Let's see how Ineos comes out in race 4 after the kiwi aggression today

[@jenniferbutcher759]

After 3 races, and looking at the race telemetry and data, Taihoro does seem to be the faster boat, and the faster boat usually wins the Cup. (Unless there is some mechanical failure or catastrophe) watching the post race commentary and debriefs, looks like Ineos Britannia know this too… in regards to the penalty in the race 3 pre-start, Ineos complaining about the penalty is like having 2 cars at an intersection, the Kiwi car has the green light, the Brits car has the red light, both cars know that there are cameras all over the intersection, and they also know there is a traffic cop at the intersection, yet the Brits CHOSE to run the red light, put both cars in danger, and then got all upset when they got caught and were given a ticket… Anyway, good luck to both teams for the remaining races!

[@MikeCaffyn1]

Great chat - lots of insights. Luckily for me I'm in France so guess where I'm going next week. Should be fun.

[@vascodawilson]

Do you think we could ever get interviews with all the teams after the AC has been won, who sit down together and spill some of the beans behind the tech and tactics they implemented for the campaign? I'd love to hear what indepth details they could share and what insights they gathered for the competition. It's almost like having a laugh after the race and share the little secrets that they used.

[@TheWaltonius]

MSM - Mozzy Streaming Media. Great coverage from all of you, thanks, from an old IOR fart [who watched the '83 Cup live...]

[@JohnRichards-o9t]

Thanks so much for an in-depth comparison. There is only one area in which I disagree with you: to my eye I think Britannia is a beautiful looking boat, though I'm very keen for it to finish second.

[@davidgibson6716]

I loved it... having a late liquid lunch again, top form - a nice homage to a previous episode where the chaps appeared, post lunch libations

[@davidtydeman1434]

Thanks for demystifying what is becoming a technology competition 👏👏

[@tiagdvideo]

You could say that it always has been a technology competition

[@PeterBrand-ky8zw]

It’s been a technology competition for 173 years.

[@CarkeekW]

it took me about a second to work out the lidar was being used to check the sail shape in practise vs sail making and aerodynamic theory but it took till now to realise the lidar was also checking the live sea state , maybe even the wind speed and direction under the hull to prove end plating options. Im sure the discoveries will continue I just hope the software makes it out into the world so we can all enjoy the benefits.

[@Windfix]

I also wonder what impact ETNZ main trimming set up will have? I recall from one of your earlier videos that ETNZ have a setup that’s quite different to everyone else. Is it possible that this enables ETNZ to generate more power in their main to get up on a smaller foil when it’s light?

[@scottdawson1607]

TNZ have apparently changed there sails and have a smaller rudder so i wonder what there logic actually is, as a 🥝 i will be quite fascinated to see what happens

[@kelbatt7729]

7-2 ETNZ is what happened

[@julian4548]

Very excellent thank you all.

[@Silvius.2]

Rob sorry but painting on Taihoro looking good like a fish fast in water where sea surface breaking light.... ineos only looking like Mercedes german car....

[@AndyUK-Corrival]

Great insight guys as always, this AC final is either going to be very close or not very close at all given the differences. I really hope that INEOS are on the pace from day one but the Kiwis are seemingly always one step ahead. I anticipate there may be a lot more pre-start, engagement but will have to wait-and-see and not too long.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

You didn't predict a result?😊so good

[@Supasarge]

Would love a teardown of the manoeuvring calls on Ineos. By whom and when.

[@Trajan2401]

Looking grim guys NZ too good 😁

[@johnmartin7158]

As in AC 36 and now AC37 in the last half of both series final, ETNZ’s confidence and performance were growing significantly. There was no way we were going to lose race 9 given an equal start.

[@JuliusMartens]

Would be nice to also get a longer cut of your discussions 🤩 sometimes it felt like it was cut a bit too short. And as I haven’t delved into the world of foiling sailboats prior to the Barcelona regattas I could certainly do with some translating for dummies when you get into the more technical stuff 🤣 But agree with prior comments, I’m always waiting eagerly for your analysis after each race! 🙏

[@pointphotography9125]

The band is back together 💪

[@PaterDJ]

would love you delve into the trade offs with what appears to be more oil hungry ETNZ boat vs added hypothetical efficiency

[@greybuckleton]

I want alternative commentary from you guys!

[@davidharris8567]

Would like to hear your opinion on the defenders more radical rudder change that they have now made

[@doublett4193]

Need more beers for this poscast😂😂😂😂

[@eeslhpl16]

Regarding early/late starts due to software issues, I don't believe the participants are allowing for the dynamic aspect of speed changes in the start (heading up and accelerating) caused by aero drag. If simply air drag increases at the square of wind speed, a lot of drag is coming on the yachts in the final seconds before the start. Nothing like sailing in a traditional yacht.

[@mike_qbik]

0-2 well, NZ sail slick, even they do look more lively, they simply are faster. gaining on less wind. Ineis looks very bulky, also creating bigger drag as can be easily seen from the water disturbance from the helicopter shots. … light wins trully againts Ineos

[@almac9203]

Ineos want bigger winds.

[@Jaime_nz]

Kiwis are ready for the start mate

[@jimhealy4890]

And finishing first too 😅😅

[@TheSparcguy]

Sir Peter Blake once said. “Don’t shout until you get across the line”

[@peterebel7899]

@@jimhealy4890 The have half a day time zone advantage ;-)

[@practicemanager3640]

That’s right … go Kiwis !

[@dulls8475]

@@TheSparcguy He came from a different generation of Kiwis where being modest was more important than being all mouth.

[@BlueMoonday19]

Love the chat lads,keep them coming. Would absolutely love it if you did a live stream commentary during the races. Pleasssseeeee 🙏 🙏

[@BlueMoonday19]

Totally agree with Rob on the idea that in most racing sports, the biggest gains are made in the slowest sections of racecourse.

[@davidstanford]

I'd be interested in your analysis of how the weather may affect each team. So to what extent have each team designed for a particular weather conditions (wind and wave), and if the result may be swung by what actually happens with the weather. I'm interested in if INEOS's more bulbous bustle could be an advantage in touch downs when wavy. There was one race where they seemed to use a touch down to stabilise their track when they lost steerage. Do both boats work the same way in this scenario?

[@PeterBrand-ky8zw]

I’d love to hear more about the loadings (on rig, sails, controls, hull, everything). You touched on it in another video on LR’s breakages. Ben has said they’re red-lining a lot of the time. Shrek said something too about the importance of easing off the power to avoid breaking the boat and how the whole thing is packed with strain gauges. Surely each team only has access to that data on its own boat? Is the cup going to be lost by the team that breaks their boat by pushing the red lines too hard? Or will it be won by the team that is able to consistently get closest to the breaking strain without hitting it?

[@rockerctereo2851]

The colour of the boat is a direct connection to Maori culture. Red , Black , Green Blue are our 4 major colors

[@eastcoastlow]

Thanks again for a great video, excellent insights and analysis as always. Would love to get a bit more insight into the relationship between heel and cant angle and the resultant effect on leeway. I seem to recall Ben and his trimmers having some robust chats about this during the early part of the series? Enjoy Barcelona!

[@roythompson6137]

Hope to catch you in BCN!

[@MozzySails]

Drop me a message on Facebook and hopefully we can see the GBR fans for a drink

[@PeterBrand-ky8zw]

On the cyclors doing critical trim adjustments. From what you said it sounds like normally only 1, and maybe for brief periods in manoeuvres 2, of the cyclors will be trimming. And at each tack and gybe that’ll switch to the other side of the boat. On the power data you often see one cyclor around 200W while the others are >400W. So isn’t it the case that the one that has to use his brain is backing off the physical effort a bit? So the two non-sailing cyclors are the primary power source and the two sailing cyclors take turns - one pedals hard while the other trims and pedals gently, and swap at the next tack/gybe.

[@johnbenefield922]

Great chat guys " 25:28 we worked it out in 3 seconds so they likely figured it out" brilliant banter.

[@ianlovely1124]

I think taihoro is using dazzle camouflage I it's paint scheme. Thus is going to make it harder and maybe just a split second later for ineis to recognise a direction change. Ots another of those small margins. I think inros missed a trick there but still hope they can bring it home.

[@jamesaron1967]

You mean like WWI ship camouflage? Interesting comparison. Never thought of it that way.

[@giovannigaleotti2623]

LR played percentage game but had their chances dashed by breakdowns and mistakes. Ineos was also very fast in big sea state and that was probably something LR hadn't reconned on. If you are three behind and have been batting around 50%, your chance of winning three in a row is less than 15%. At 6-4, LR had to choose whether to mix up its playbook or count on flawless execution and the rest is history.

[@Quantum3669]

What I would like to know is why did Luna Rossa have so many structural issues with the sail mechanisms. Was the design/ set up putting higher stresses/forces on these components compared to other boats?

[@BRMCaptChaos]

It would appear the data harvesting “unfair advantage” is a little extreme. Understandable that the contract detail was designed to stop a disadvantage to the defender, but quite clearly ETNZ boat has been hacked using challenger boat data. It’s not even close.

[@chrisbc61]

With these massive weather events going on this week the weather modelling must be v difficult & potentially expensive? Might make any last minute choices very tricky ... modular foil etc. When is the final measure?

[@barryscott6222]

Not sure if this is truly accurate or not... but... TNZ boats seems to lean/cant into the windward side a lot. And Ineos seems to cant away from the windward side a lot. Not sure what to make of that.

[@stefanzzz6778]

The two team I wanted to complete for the AC. Can’t wait.

[@jonnyhepworth4063]

Great vid .. loved the comparisons.. hope your boat didn’t get mashed in the twister at HISC !

[@MozzySails]

We actually had two twisters hit in the same day. The first one just missed the 800 then the second which was on the news hit the 29er the other side of the club

[@GordonjSmith1]

Does Tom's mum know that they are drinking beer in his bedroom??

[@MozzySails]

shusshhh! don't tell!

[@skynineUK]

Any thoughts on the shape of the bows of both boats? Inios had the bustle that I think probably saved them from the LR 10 score in diving.

[@irhgsy]

Any briefing is improved by the guys drinking beer! Doesn’t detract from an excellent discussion.

[@Alancoles-c6v]

Do you think Ineos team are more aggressive in there sailing , more like real match racing ,where as team new Zealand have not raced like that this series or the last series.

[@Chip_in]

Beers on love to see it ⛳

[@8cervezas648]

Good chat lads. Get a beer night organised in BCN! There are plenty of us rattling about the race village looking flor something to do after the racing finishes.

[@rbcg105]

Need an unofficial mozzy sails party. Friday or Saturday

[@timjones3094]

Let me grab a beer

[@glenmitchell5166]

Sail plan's and sail area. Is there any difference as Team New Zealand say they have new sails

[@TeamBB-vg2zz]

Love the format, we need live from Barca now please

[@vaughanbarrow3574]

you covered rule 20.5 previously, regarding flywheels, but can the shoes of the cyclors be waited to give the same effect as a fly wheel, but because it is not attached to the boat as the rule dictates, it becomes legal. thoughts

[@aflipperhorace]

Is your boat OK as we saw the tornado go through your sailing club. We are down at the ferry sailing club. Hope every one was OK.

[@MozzySails]

My boats were fine. What was strange is we had two tornadoes just a day apart!

[@martinleepgg]

Cleaver NZ, as holder, they make the rules. Dolton is a street fighter, well used to America's Cup strategy, bottom line the fastest boat will win. All the yap in the world won't change that.

[@charleswalters6064]

Ben mentioned in his post LV interviews that they were running more tensions through the boat. Do you think this could be behind their increased speeds…. Or even behind their design philosophy of a bulkier hull.

[@paulsmith4220]

If you get the stiffness you need in a slim hull why wouldn't you? With a weight limit there are many permutations of how you achieve an appropriate section. Gonna be interesting no matter what.

[@charleswalters6064]

@@paulsmith4220 I agree. But then again, LRPP, Alinghi and AM did pull quite a few fittings off their boats as the semi-finals and finals progressed. Wondering if higher loadings are becoming more of a thing as the competition progresses. In any case, I suspect that none of the teams will openly admit this..!!

[@paulsmith4220]

0:02 @charleswalters6064 Could just be they were doing a lot of sailing at the top end of the range. Designers would tend to optimise for the expected conditions and err of light for the top end as that was not really expected to be so dominant.

[@victorlarkins2404]

Chur chur Mozzy and lad's 🤙

[@strayliner11]

Who you guessing to win? And you cant all pick the same. ETNZ for the win 😊

[@TheEnzedone]

ETNZ to be smashed. 😂

[@strayliner11]

@@TheEnzedone Well at least your loyal, I can respect that. Its going to be very interesting indeed. 2 very capable boats and teams.

[@Trajan2401]

​​@@TheEnzedoneummm what was that? 😂

[@macscott5290]

Have a great time out in Barcelona! Looking forward to the live stream 😀

[@MozzySails]

😁👍

[@patrickflanagan317]

Might be like the last cup cycle, Kiwis were a bit rusty but in the end came flying through. I think it will be close and GB have shown they can sail flawlessly. Kiwis mainsheet and new sails could be the marginal difference but they will have to get an even start at best to have a chance Goooooo ETNZ!!

[@PatNanai-bw2kf]

Yep, defenders have a long time to rest, hence why the challenge has a big hill to climb. I can't wait for AC final it's gonna be epic! #TeamTaihoroLessgo

[@CharlieMatthews-i1q]

Not sure if I've missed it in a seperate post or on here but is there a difference in terms of the rudder set up between the 2 or are there quite strict parameters around this?

[@MozzySails]

there is quite a difference. INEOS has the elevator placed behind the vertical of the rudder and ETNZ is the other way. INEOS also has the ability to lengthen or shorten depending on how it is installed each day

[@CharlieMatthews-i1q]

@MozzySails interesting. So is it fair to say that if there is a challenging sea state that gives us a bit more of an advantage there?

[@crisgrant3745]

Great analysis (and editing) guys. I think your right about NZ chosing a revised optimum wind speed design based on the LVC results - ie low end performance. Time will tell...glhf!

[@sailorman8668]

'your right'? I think you meant 'you're (you are) right', right?

[@josephwhite4043]

You should consider how fighter jet pilots train.. max effort, max heart rate, doing math, and eye-hand coordination under quite a few gs. There are some people out there that can do it….