An Honest Look At Mr. Enter's Indiegogo

I take a look at The Mysterious Mr. Enter's ambitious indiegogo campaign, to see if it has a chance.
Growing Around's Indiegogo: www.indiegogo.com/projects/gr...
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[@PIEGUYRULZ]

Hey guys, just taking the pinned comment here to say that Mr. Enter has responded! kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5jGnneGrJyfnNU I still have concerns about reaching such a high goal, but it is reassuring that they are seriously thinking over a lot of elements of the campaign and project. I give him big props for listening and responding, and I sinserely hope that however he gets there, he can find a way to make the show he is so passionate about.

[@theotakuguy8957]

PIEGUYRULZ Thanks

[@mediawatcher9225]

PIEGUYRULZ it’s clear he cares, so I’m sure he won’t be like butch hartman

[@emokidfromhs2205]

demonyes chaos theory Jesus fuck dude I can’t even understand that. I had to keep rereading it. Please learn to punctuate your sentences. It gave me a fucking headache.

[@ShaDHP23]

demonyes chaos theory learn to type, you prejudiced jackass

[@Reckno64]

I have high enough hopes for him. Just getting the campaign started with all the details of the project is its own battle. He still has a long ways to go, but I definitely think he could get there....

[@PFish2322]

I appreciate the objective look you're taking at this rather than pandering to either the "Mr. Enter is Amazing and can do no wrong" or the "Mr Enter is absolutely terrible and should never succeed" crowd. I really want to see this succeed but I really do think Enter has "eyes wider than his stomach" sort of speak, making this into an actual series is going to be insanely tough and even if he reaches the 300k goal, I have my doubts about how much mileage he'll really get out of it.

[@elsie8757]

To be honest? I never really understood why, out of the handful of failed Shorty McShorts Shorts he saw potential in, the _Flip-Flopped_ premise was the one Enter clung to and chose to run with in the first place. I always thought he'd have MUCH better luck trying to salvage Too Many Robots.

[@casualvanilla]

If I had to make a guess, probably because he liked the idea of kids being dominate over the parents. I say this because I believe he has stated that he dislikes his own parents.

[@samflood5631]

I actually liked Shorty McShorts Shorts.

[@Cometstarlight]

I've followed Enter for an extended period of time and I have to say that through all that time, I've never "gotten" his idea for Growing Around. Kids rule the world, I get it, but kids being the teachers? Are they just born knowing all this stuff? Why do the parents have to do homework if they were the teachers when they were kids? When do you become an adult? Do you then become subservient to the kids? What about when adults have kids? I don't think this is for me, but I hope he gets something out of it.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

There was a livestream that is archived where he and one of the animators answered some of this. The kids and adults act as they should, it's just the kids have control of the government,politics,economy etc. Kids teach adults in school kid stuff (how to have fun, upkeep and usage of your imagination, quick thinking etc.) as a way to keep adults wanting to grow and change and not become detached from their childhood

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

Cometstarlight The parents raise the children until age 3, and then they have as much authority as the adults did beforehand. Kids learn stuff on their own when they want to, like there is no college (but certain jobs have special training courses needed like Summervale's police force) kind of like adults post-college.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

Cometstarlight You become an adult at 18 (teenagers supposedly are equal to younger children, but as you get older it is harder to get hired) but it wasn't explained by him or Ava how the transitioning process works

[@thecreatorofthedark]

It sort of sounds like a weird kids next door type show

[@brysonturner6019]

I think Enter said the show will explain this.

[@kartoonfanatic]

The most concerning part to me is the line "if this doesn't work, it'll not only be my first cartoon, but my last." It's good that he acknowledges that this is his first dip into this large of a production, but that is not the right attitude to go about it. Most cartoonists have several ideas they like to play around with, who's to say enough people are going to get into this idea to keep it going? He's looking at all these modern cartoons with 'da feelz' moments, and he wants to do all these heavy, relatable topics, but you have to be able to get us invested in the characters and smaller ideas of the show before any of that would even matter---every cartoon with these moving moments we remember from childhood started from a simpler place. And it sounds like his embarrassment over this possibly not working out will legitimately cause him to quit trying to be a cartoonist all together, which makes me wonder: Does John want to be a cartoonist, or does he just want to push THIS idea?

[@deadlywork]

I don't want to be overly mean or harsh, but if I'm being honest, I think the whole problem with this campaign is that simply, people have no reason to pawn up that much money for it and he would know that if he was honest with himself. Firstly, Enter isn't even that popular. Like yeah 100k subs is a big number in relative terms, but there are way bigger channels out there who would struggle to get this much. And for the people who DO know him, his entire reputation is built around being an animation critic and rightly or wrongly, it's not an entirely good reputation. Being a critic does not mean you will be a good creator. He's not someone known for actually PRODUCING animated content that people enjoy. If this was say, Egoraptor or RubberRoss or some other well-known animator that would be a different story, but it's not. Enter may have submitted some scripts or even published a book but it's not something that has gotten wide acclaim; outside of his small fanbase or a few miscellaneous curious people, not that many know about it or have read it. And as for the indiegogo campaign itself, there are simply too many questions. One, we have no idea who exactly is going to be animating it (something pretty much every good crowdfunding campaign will tell you). Two, he flat out admits that even IF this somehow gets funded, the show is basically screwed long-term because there's no way patreon will be enough to produce an episode in a reasonable amount of time. Thirdly, there's not necessarily much indication of what the show will be like in action; Enter has made some scripts, yes, but he doesn't link to them in the campaign. As it stands, he's someone who in the grand scheme of things is not that well-known (and people who know him often don't like him), asking for a lot of money to do something he has no real experience in, and without much explanation of how things will actually work once he has the money to fund it. Would you give your money to fund something like that? Because I wouldn't. He would be better served collaborating with a more experienced animator and paying them a wage to animate something he wrote, basically what you said. That would be way easier and a better way to build up a reputation to get people's attention. Some people have expressed "just" uncertainty about this, but I just flat out think that this isn't getting off the ground and never had a chance.

[@Pikaman20008]

I think he realizes there’s a chance this won’t work out, which is why the campaign is a fixed goal rather than flexible. If he doesn’t make the goal, he’s not going to keep the money

[@deadlywork]

Sure, but my point was that he should have known that there was never any chance he'd ever get that much money. That might seem overly harsh to say, but I already explained why asking for this amount of money was never feasible. He posted a video where he explained why he asked for that much money, and I get his reasoning, but all that means is he should have tried some other way to bring this project to life.

[@Pikaman20008]

DW inc. Except he’s already said that if this doesn’t work out that the project isn’t dead and he’ll try another method. So really there isn’t a problem with him trying this way. At the very least, it’s helped spread the word about his project to more people that could be interested in it

[@train4292]

Doesn’t help that he lost 600 Subscribers just because he announced the project...I guess they’re called a hatedom for a reason

[@corntastrophy]

@@train4292 Did he really now?

[@Bobcatgirl03]

Let’s be real here, I’m like 99% sure The Breadwinners didn’t have a $350,000 budget attached to its pilot, and that got picked up for a show.

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

BobcatAngel Which is why he should have asked for a much smaller sum of money.

[@100billionsubscriberswithn4]

I think $60,000 would be a bit more reasonable, both because I doubt he needs $350,000 for just the pilot and because he's DEFINITELY not going to reach 350,000.

[@bubberboy4858]

BobcatAngel I read somewhere that Seth Macfarlane did his family guy pilot with only $50,000

[@SlainOracle]

"Not a drawing lesson from Mr. Enter, nothing egotistical like that." Holy shit, PGR, stop being such a savage.

[@QueenCloveroftheice]

"This first cartoon will be my last." Aww, honey, no... Why would you stake your entire future on this? That's the definition of folly.

[@tyeishaleisure]

QueenCloveroftheice agree. That kind of attitude will leed to failure.

[@DrakoVongola11]

So much this. Part of being successful is learning to deal with failure, learning from mistakes and trying again and again until you get it right. The entertainment landscape would be pretty barren if everyone gave up after a single failure Sadly this seems to be in line with Enter's MO. Historically he's shown he can't handle criticism, and he doesn't take it well when things don't go his way. Above all else I think this is what truly dooms his project, even if by some miracle it does get funded his attitude is going to make cooperating with people very difficult, and considering he's not an animator himself he really needs to be able to work with people and accept critique or the whole thing is just gonna fall apart

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

He has dealt with failure before the evidence suggests, so he is just trying to get more donation money faster with such a statement.

[@train4292]

The hatedom would love it if it was his last though

[@antiheartless45]

Didn't Walt Disney take an all other nothing risk if he didn't take it and put his heart soul into it we would have Disney today

[@Galaxybee73]

I feel as though this project is suffering from a bit of tunnel vision. Mr Enter has been working on this project for years, so I can understand the ambition here, but also theres many things that can be improved or done differently.

[@stephenbrown4698]

Even though I’m a fan of Enter and I want this to succeed, I appreciate your honesty going into this. There are some problems that’ll get in the way of this succeeding, but hopefully he sees them and improves his indiegogo accordingly. Considering the questions that the premise alone would raise, I’d recommend he have an FAQ section for those questions (11 or 22 minute episodes, how do the kids age, etc).

[@TheTundraTerror]

As a fan of Enter... _dodges thrown bottle_ I feel like he's biting off more than he can chew. I feel like John should scale it back to a smaller 5 minutes skit. Without any idea of what the voice acting, animation, or even tone are like, I have a hard time seeing this really working out in terms of funding. Likewise, knowing that John has Aspergers may make the production a very rough one. Animation (and just entertainment in general) is about compromise and when you have something like Aspergers.... you tend to push against that. Trust me, I would know... Got it out of your system? Right. That said, I hope it goes well for him, but I also hope he understands the kind of issues he *will* have to face. I also hope he looks at the criticism, not as an attack, but as the advice it's meant to be.

[@swishfish8858]

Problem is, with his reputation, a big sum of his criticism WILL be attacks...

[@bobjeezorham7658]

My guy, I have Asperger's Syndrome and I tend to be quite the agreeable person. Compromise would be no big deal to me. Granted, the condition is different for every person, so perhaps I'm just an exception...Mr. Enter has proven that he as a person (as far as we know) has these flaws you mention, though. I'm not so sure as to the fate of his project, though.

[@swishfish8858]

As someone that ALSO has Aspergher's, I hate it when people use it as a shield. It's like using Linux instead of Windows; everyone else may use Windows but I'm still a functioning computer like everyone else. I just have some quirks you don't. But you have quirks I don't, so it all balances out~

[@CowboyJoseph64]

most of everything is made for windows instead of linux, but I digress...

[@swishfish8858]

CowboyJoseph64 - You try to come up with a better analogy on the spot. For the time I had, I think I did pretty damn well. >:c

[@ballistic_goat]

his pilot is gonna cost more than my house, wtf.

[@Kumaclaws]

Personally I just find the plot to be trite, you know? It's just a typical "kids rule the world" and "the one in power isn't normally in power" story. Not to mention that he's... stubborn, to say the least, so I might also have to question if he could make compromises with people and change around his story. Add in everything you said and this could be either a miracle and end up great or it could be a complete disaster

[@burntcinnamon1735]

Matt Trulock Why would he re-write the story when he already published the book

[@lakamokolaka]

Miss Ani He said that was a first draft in his video

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

I would like to mention The single review of the first "growing round" book on Amazon describes the book as an almost dream-like essential nightmare of froidian implications on pedophilla, incest, parenthood and the very nature sexual relationship that would make Xaivers double speech look subtle by comparison, though this project was done completely unironic. Ironic, mr. Enter can give criticism on such matters in other shows, but not imply the same criticism himself. Maybe the final project wouldnt be as psychologically tearing as the first book/pilot draft was but I don't really care to look further into this rabbit hole of most rehashed ideas.

[@bored_person]

There are a lot more reviews of his book then that.

[@lakamokolaka]

ijfharvey Question is how many are from Mr. Enter fans and then actual parents who read the book because they saw it

[@troymclame1743]

I never thought PIEGUYRULZ would ever talk about Enter again

[@BJSepuku]

why ? did something happen between them ?

[@reallyrll]

Yeah, why? What happened between them?

[@FarCritical]

Aren't they on good terms?

[@mrwaffleman8732]

ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS

[@WilliamMBell]

They did two collabs around 4 years ago, but after that, they kind of just parted ways. They really aren't on any terms. If something major DID happen between them, they'd have probably taken those videos down.

[@MortalAnonymous]

I often find that critic types who try to make a film or show or some project like this themselves, often fall into the exact same traps they critique, and it's evident as early as the promotional material how janky the end product will be. When Channel Awesome made their movies, or when they do any full-on skit, it's dry, trying too hard and hard to watch. Mr. Enter has been talking about this for a very long time, but it's never sounded really any different than the "kids are in charge" shows he's complained about in the past. I fear he'll fall into the same trap and become exactly what he's trying so hard to prove can be done differently. That's honestly how it feels like the whole idea started: trying to show the "right" way to do a kids-in-charge scenario with the book, and then it snowballed. Mr. Enter also does have a tendency to be strict and yet contradictory in what he thinks can and can't work, so I'm not sure how well he can write concept for "wild" and "chaotic". Bottom line, I bear him no ill will, but I've also never been invested in this project because of the various patterns I've seen established, and the base idea never quite grabbed me to begin with. Points for passion, but I see this particular campaign simply petering out in the future. Perhaps classes would be better in order if he's never done this before. What does "Growing Around" really even mean? In all honesty. I've never managed to get my head around the name.

[@Zenssei]

The concept of the show didnt click with me tbh But i still wish him luck to bring his show to life

[@germ5269]

OMG PAPA ZENSSEI

[@StarrNOM]

I think the themes of it could work (kids maturing while maintaining a positive childhood, was the gist I got from the plot synopsis?), but I personally wouldn't have it as the main plot. In my opinion, it needs a better hook, and, as Pieguy touched upon, this is further troubled by how Mr. Enter's writing capabilities are never showed off in the fundraiser video. I have nothing against Mr. Enter, but, if the show were to follow his review's flow (this sounds mean, but I'd have to describe the overall feeling to many of his reviews as...bland), I am doubtful of its execution.

[@therealmittromneyful]

needs more violence. what he needs to do is make it so the kids are divided into two groups in a wartorn city of guns adn explosions and the two sides of kids are fighting over control of the big city blood everywhere!

[@Wishbone4evr]

No! Don't tempt the gods!!! O_O

[@Zephyrs009]

Frankly, I find Mr Enter overhated in the community. Is he an amazing channel, without flaws? No, far from it, but he isn't the Devil of the community either.

[@LoudToon99]

He's certainly better than Vailskibum and AniMat at least.

[@Zephyrs009]

Alex Ramirez being better than those two is like being 1st in a footrace against cripples: yeah you won, but is that really surprising? He's No Verlisify or Kavos. He's just Okay.

[@onettaviator5396]

Nothing Original Who even would be the devil of the animation community?

[@onettaviator5396]

Alex Ramirez Wait, what's wrong with them? I keep hearing their names being thrown around back and forth without any context.

[@Zephyrs009]

JustSomeKid InTheComments frankly idk

[@GuyNamedCrystal]

I feel that Enter's Indiegogo is way too ambitious, even more so than Butch Hartman's. He's asking for $350K to make a pilot, and considering his public image (not just online, but he's even disliked by certain people in the animation industry) and that he himself has no experience working on an animated show makes me believe that the project will be a disaster. And even if the production of the series is successful, I don't see what would make it stand out, since so many other kids shows have covered the topics that Enter wants to talk about in respectful and meaningful ways.

[@gustyko8668]

A Guy Named Crystal agree

[@hankreardenfan1019]

Read the scripts. They're pretty good.

[@lakamokolaka]

JusticeforShylock101 I disagree they are mediocre at best

[@aaa1e2r3]

Is he really that disliked by people in the industry? I am familiar with the opinion of him within the KZbin community but not as much with the animators community

[@cartooncritic7045]

Big Booty SmaII Girl That’s why he took those videos down. He’s ashamed of the kind of person he used to be and is trying to make a better name for himself.

[@TheUltimateZMAN]

$350,000 dollars to someone who isn’t even an amateur, is he insane?

[@DrakoVongola11]

I don't think he's insane, just ignorant. He clearly did not think this through No one drops 350k on a cartoon pilot unless it has studio backing that can guarantee more funding. I realize he wants professional quality animation, but that is simply not sustainable. He wants to produce TV quality animation with a TV quality budget based on Patreon donations and that simply isn't going to work, Enter isn't nearly popular enough to garner that kind of consistent support, I don't think even Pewdiepie could make that kind of money through Patreon He seems to have put a lot of thought into the cartoon itself but almost no thought into how producing it is actually gonna work :/

[@rutyqutykandi1361]

@@DrakoVongola11 I think PewDiePie could because he likely would have connections to people and this would cause more backing. Then again he already makes a lot of money so he might just pay for it himself.

[@AlexThe1Menace]

See, both Butch and Enter have some pros and cons to their Kickstarter ideas. On one hand, making a pilot for $350,000 is far more manageable and realistic to do than starting a brand new streaming service for $250,000. However, MR. ENTER raising $350k is WAYYY less likely to happen than an industry figure like Butch Hartman raising $250k. So both gotta compromise or something cause both have huge odds against them.

[@boxylemons7961]

Ex-Fan of enter here, few things I wanna say 1. I'll admit his art style has improved somewhat, it's no longer just bland looking children's drawings with the occassional pseudo-badassery or overly self-pitying/overdramatic, his avatar appears to look a lot better than just a shitty drawing of himself with a few expressions usually looking over-angry, but that said it basically just looks like the loud house/some slice of life anime except far less good and all the characters look like weird gnome mutant people with down syndrome. 2. Knowing enter's general reputation, as well as his dogmatic attitudes towards animation, lack of open-mindedness, inability to take criticism meanwhile actively criticizing and slandering various writers & cartoonists[I particularly remember him refering to the creator of da boom crew as a racist despite the fact he was one of the first black cartoonists hired by disney. hell I remember watching a show he made when I was a kid 'The Proud Family' which I remember having a pretty depressing episode about segregation, so he's by far not a racist] among much other shit he's done, I highly doubt he's qualified to be in the animation industry, even if someone somehow manages to pick up his pilot, It probably won't last long still. Oh and the moment his cartoon gets criticized & he completely refuses it is the moment he loses any fucking credibility. 3. Why the fuck he need $350k to make this? how much money he make average via patreon? I'm pretty sure if he even got just 1K he could hire some people to make his pilot actually animated half-decently or written decently[but knowing his previously mentioned dogmatism, he probably wouldn't like them going 'outside the boundaries' of what he considers acceptable]. I'm pretty sure most cartoons airing right now anyways probably have a lower budget than what he's fucking requiring for a simple goddamn pilot. 4. His whole shtick about how the entire show is based around moral lessons urks me and brings back unpleasant memories. Yea there's shows that were succesful based on giving you moral lessons primairly [Veggietales, for example] but fuck, enter fails to realize concepts like 'not letting the idiot box be the sole teacher in your life' & 'comedy deriving from misery', I have heard his abusive childhood lead to this delusional behavior from him, I'm pretty sure those two things alone will make me fail to enjoy this cartoon, it's probably gonna be obscenely preachy and politically correct[for lack of a better term] when it comes to it's humor. 5. Reading the part about how there's going to be 'No Filler' but also how every episode 'Will have a Moral Lesson' seems overtly idealistic & perfectionist. you can have a show where both can happen, fuck I'm not neccessairly against the idea of 'Dark/Storybased/Philosphical Cartoons'. The Problems I have with this is that the show seems to have no self awareness about the ridiculousness of it's premise & he has no details of what the actual plot is going to be aside from the premise, Furthermore even the best of shows have shitty episodes, and that's true for all shows both animated and not, fuck, it's true that there's bad parts of good stuff in every medium really, so saying that EVERY episode will be great in both 'driving the plot we still don't know shit about foward' & 'delivering mr enter's obviously genius social commentary about the human condition' or whatever is absolutely stupid. hell there's been shows that didn't do neither [like ed, edd n eddy] yet were still great, again, not saying that animation should never try to do anything grander but you can still do good episodes without either, I'd honestly rather have that than a show with a poorly done overarching plotline with preachy, badly-written messages[which enter's show I feel most likely will have]. In conclusion I am suprised he did a kickstarter but the rest of this is nothing shocking, it seems exactly like what a mess of a cartoon enter would make, I still agree that animation shouldn't be looked down as a medium but ultimately going by enter's style of doing shit isn't going to help at all. I highly doubt this cartoon will last more than a single season, and by no means is this going to be animation's own game of thrones or breaking bad. I do hope there will be shows that can take that title[shows like Avatar & Gravity Falls imo are the closest things we've ever gotten to that] but this definetly ain't it as I've said. I think the moment he refuses to take criticism for this series will definetly probably be the moment his career ends.

[@BlackBeWhite2k7]

That whole "if this first animation doesn't take off, it will be my last" bit was way over-dramatic and felt like he was fishing too hard for pity pledges. Also, That other part later reaks of as much insecurity over the whole "cartoons are for kids" notion that plagues a lot of cartoon reviewers, here, as an interest in fleshing out the concept for anyone outside his fanbase. Although I've never found him to be that good of a reviewer, I don't actively want him to fail given how long he's been at this, but this really doesn't seem like it'll end up any other way.

[@blaa6]

Maybe you can discuss this with him as a friend. Maybe a video discussion?

[@WonderousSmiles]

Well, that's the thing. Hes trying to do a kickstart for a pilot, but it seems iffy to donate unless we see something. It's completely blind, which doesn't encourage confidence. He should've went the Bee and Puppycat route, give us a really good pilot, THEN make a kickstarter to...well, kickstart a series. I think his biggest pitfall is trying to hit a television standard, with an internet budget. That's not gonna happen. All he REALLY needs are a few decent youtube animators with flash (before you knock it, you can do amazing things in flash as long as you're not seeing it as a shortcut) That ALONE would cut the animation budget and time down. But, with all that being said. I don't like the concept. I don't like that he stole it from a failed cartoon short (It failed for a reason, John!). So like...in this world, you're born as a parent having to take care of your actual parents. And if you're unlucky enough to have siblings you have to play married with them?? And as you grow older, you quickly lose all autonomy until you give birth to parents of your own, where you'll have to act out a sibling relationship with your spouse. What. Like, what happens when you decide not to have kids? Are you forced to have children? Are you placed into a foster home? And what of the teenagers, where do they fit in? The premise sounds like it would be a GREAT dark satire on terrible 'kids rule the world' cartoon premises. But it's played straight, and I don't know what to make of it.

[@IkkoArts]

I never knew PieGuy bought the rights to Kickstarter Crap from idubbbz

[@Erik-fn7kj]

Blueneonkid um wtf?

[@Jimmyishere6546]

Erik C *indiegogo excrement

[@robohex6]

pieguy's a little too nice for kickstarter crap

[@mike_280]

“Bout Peeguy, thees prouject louks very goud! I waunt to wautch Mr Enterrr’s cartuon!”

[@Burro..]

the system indiegogo doodoo

[@ashyslashy22]

John’s campaign is much better put together than Butch’s. That’s sad, considering Butch has been in the business for decades. John clearly put his heart and soul into this project and it is very respectable.

[@JCOdrjones]

*"Hack fraud critic tries to make hack fraud cartoon!"*

[@adamkaunfer4384]

Both Butch Hartman and Mr. Enter's campaigns are very ambitious, but the former is too ambitious, and who knows whether it will pay off in the end. The latter is clearly a passion project for him. I hope both turn out well, but I think realistically, Growing Around is more likely to succeed.

[@alexklepp6479]

Adam Kaunfer Me too.

[@casualvanilla]

We generally know what we're getting with Growing Around, we have no clue with Oaxis.

[@SylentVoidkeeper]

That might be true. Except that the first project has the added benefit of having Butch Hartman's name on it, and he's a big name in the animation industry. He has a presence for himself. Enter has been tossed and trashed through the KZbin grinder in the last few years (for both legitimate and illegitimate reasons), and he's not close to a high standing. But his project seems better and more interesting than whatever the fuck Butch is even doing.

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

Adam Kaunfer I'm sorry but Mr Enter's is WAY too ambitious as well. 350K is an extremely large goal for a PILOT!

[@TheGreatestCommenter]

Bro Bush has a lot more knowledge and experience in animation then Mr Enter could ever dream of having

[@BlinksAwakening]

I do not understand why he's so obsessed with this idea, it very honestly sounds terrible. Guy needs to start with a significantly better premise before committing so many years of his life into the idea

[@billybarnett9518]

I would suggest making it more like Uncle Grandpa, it follows cartoon logic.

[@BlinksAwakening]

Well Uncle Grandpa is a pretty terrible cartoon as well, if that's the tone they're going for, I can see why this isn't appealing to me at all. The world needs more cartoons like Adventure Time, Regular Show, Gravity Falls, Star vs. The Forces of Evil, Invader Zim, and early Spongebob. All this other stuff we see right now is just so bad, and yes I'd include Uncle Grandpa in that bad category along with the likes of Teen Titans Go and the Powerpuff reboot.

[@billybarnett9518]

BlinksAwakening Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but people did eventually warm up to Uncle Grandpa and it got fans, me included who liked it when it first came out. Uncle Grandpa wanted to be a cartoon that followed old school cartoon logic.

[@billybarnett9518]

Agro Dolce I'm curious as to who said it was.

[@BlinksAwakening]

I'd rather watch Spongebob for old school cartoon logic, especially OG first 3 seasons of Spongebob, that's how you do that genre of cartoon justice.

[@twokindsofovenfries32]

There are loads of high quality animated series which don’t cost 350 000 to make on youtube

[@EntityofDarkness696]

Ultimately, while I can see how one would see him overshooting, you do have to respect him going all or nothing into this project.

[@EntityofDarkness696]

I can respect his attitude though, him going all or nothing is something I can respect. Also, if he does succeed, what is there to respect then as oppose to admire?

[@frogglen6350]

the entity of darkness It's the people who donate who deserve respect. No the E begger

[@EntityofDarkness696]

1. Respect is what you get for doing something, admiration is what you get for achieving something. 2. He has since tried to better himself from past actions 3. What holes? The premise makes sense to me. 4. While I do not doubt his book received some negative criticism, are you sure that was the only reason the book had poor sales? Not the fact that it had poor advertising? 5. Pedophillia subtext? Umm... that is not a part of the premise, he has stated that. 6. Considering the costs it takes to make televised animation, 350k is fairly low. If you think I'm pulling out of my ass here, in 2009 Seth MacFarlane said that it took $2 Million to make an episode of Family Guy.

[@EntityofDarkness696]

I don't respect him for crowdfunding, I respect him for trying to get a large project off the ground.

[@train4292]

the entity of darkness if it took 2 million too make a family guy episode then that changes everything!

[@CM-ne9ej]

Honestly, the premise is decent enough, and I enjoyed reading his scripts. I do think the hate the guy gets is pretty unwarranted. That said..I think what makes this a sinking ship is that he's trying to get into indie animation as a writer. Most people do it theirself or at least do it with a friend, whereas he wants to pay for every single damn episode. It'd be a hercluean task to get three episodes out if he's lucky, it's just not gonna work

[@Burro..]

Meh, not happening. 5 years for a "decent" script and an overly general and pretentious synopsis is not a good omen. Half of the pitch sounds like hopes and dreams. "Oh this series will be fantastic! It will make you have FEELINGS". As for the Patreon thing, I get the feeling he actually believes the pilot will be a huge success and will attract more patreons to fund the next episode once in a blue moon.

[@ripwitch9833]

That and it's a different monster creating your own show than criticizing one (which this whole thing is just to prove he can do a better job than this one show he criticized that he took the concept of [I don't remember the show's name] ).

[@dannypalin9583]

I used to like Mr Enter, but I went off him after realising that he just overthinks TV shows and whinges about them. Now, you don’t have to be a five star chef to say that your meal is bad, but he’s making his own cartoon. The man who complains about cartoon characters being too mean, and once demanded his fans to harass writers on social media...is trying to show everyone how it’s done. Growing Around sounds pretty crap so far.

[@Mehhhhhhhh]

The plot of Growing Around just kinda... Bores me. With all the confusing details thrown out it's just another sappy family cartoon. That's what I'm getting at since there's no pilot scripts or animations made. and a quarter of a million dollars? That cartoon better have the best animators, story tellers and graphic designers out there.

[@msssmouse]

The story honestly seems pretty cringey to me. Like... is this aimed towards kids, or adults, or just like... adults that like kids shows? I guess I don't quite fit into the mold of an adult that is REALLY into kids shows(I like Steven Universe, and that's mostly it)... So I don't quite see the appeal. Kids aren't going to have the money to fund this, and I don't see the wide appeal to an adult audience either; aside from touching "mature" topics, which I admit is good for a kids show but at the same time... A kid's show. I wouldn't mind it being aimed towards kids if the plot sounded interested, say like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Teen Titans(original)... But the plot of children ruling the world just sounds very silly for something that I'm supposed to put money into. Aside from that, I very much doubt this project will succeed; at least with this current indie-gogo project. Even if everyone of his youtube subscribers donated $1, it still wouldn't meet the hefty sum he is asking for... And knowing youtube, yeah no, all 200k followers are not going to donate. I don't see much interest of non-followers donating either, as like mentioned... the premise doesn't sound very interesting. Not enough to grab out of his already supporting fans.

[@billybarnett9518]

He said in his live stream that kids can watch it, but he didn't really say it was a kids show.

[@ripwitch9833]

Billy Barnett, that's the stuff he needs to put on his indiegogo page, not only mention in a 4+ hour stream

[@trentc2392]

Yeah honestly it being for adults who like kids shows seems pretty accurate

[@frogglen6350]

Ashlynn Galvan Yeah. I am subscribed to Enter. I ain't donating

[@AlternativeSack123]

I guess the main issue I see with it is that there seems to be a bit of a conflict of interest in a show aimed at older audiences which has kids as the main characters and focus and a story that sort of screams “dumb grown ups don’t understand!”

[@siverfanweedo]

Mos cartoon pilots are made in house by the creator of the show but since enter doesn't draw that's what starts all the problems he may be over paying the artist but who am i to know since i am assuming this will be made 12 frames per second and it'l clock in around 12 minutes he'll probably have about 5 artists on board for the whole thing or less

[@ronjoe17]

I still don't understand how adults are supposed to work in this show. If kids rule the world and parents are childish, does that mean when a kid turns eighteen they slowly lose their responsibilities? When two parents have a baby, at what point do they tell their baby "okay, you're in charge now!"? I feel like he should've went in detail about the characters and their relationships, the world and some episode plots (other than "we're gonna have episodes about same sex couples/death/etc") so we could get a better feel of how the show is actually going to work. Cause otherwise, it just sounds like a standard "kids have their own society" show, an idea that was already done well in KND and Recess

[@maxresdefault_]

I love Mr.Enter, but Tomska (a considerably larger KZbin channel) just did his own Kickstarter campaign for £250,000 for about 4 episodes of his show, Crash Zoom. Though this only payed for half of the total budget, it was based on a pre-existing series and was a reasonable goal. I really hope that this show is funded, but I'm skeptical.

[@IsabellaCataldo]

I’m looking forward to seeing the final product when it comes out, But I’m a little bit skeptical of the messages he wants to teach in Growing Around. He mentions he wants to tackle the subject of sexuality…on a show where most of the characters are children who wouldn’t be old enough to grasp the concept of sexuality yet. While it’s true that shows like South Park have children as the main characters and have talked about sexuality before, in South Park’s case it’s usually not the kids themselves talking about the sex. Not to mention Enter himself has said on several occasions that he is asexual to the point where sex stuff grosses him out entirely. Are we really sure someone like him can explain the concept of sexuality? That would be like asking a blind person to explain what colors are, or a person who’s been in a wheelchair his whole life to explain what walking feels like. Something seems off about it.

[@IsabellaCataldo]

Zoe Riddick I understand, but if you really want to explain to kids that homosexuality is a thing that exists, I think a more effective strategy is to treat it like it’s no big deal. If you really want LGBT+ to be treated as normal, maybe have a character who just happens to be gay and nobody questions it. Steven Universe pulled this off really well with Ruby and Sapphire’s relationship. The focus is not on them being lesbians, but that their love makes them stronger, which is true of any functioning romantic relationship. Ruby and Sapphire could be a straight couple and nothing would change. If handled like that, it shows kids that homosexuality is no better or worse than heterosexuality. If too much emphasis is put on the homosexuality itself, you could end up portraying gay characters as nothing more than annoying stereotypes, which only ends up hurting the LGBT community rather than helping. That’s why I’m a little bit concerned about it.

[@tylerdoesstuff6834]

Yeah, you can't explain to me what a color is. People have tryed.

[@LeafRazorStorm]

"Captain Underpants" handled the topic expertly in their last book. When George and Harold meet their grown-up selves in the future, Adult!George's wife is treated the same way as Adult!Harold's husband. They both raised happy and healthy families, and that's all that matters to the story.

[@IsabellaCataldo]

Leaf-Razor Harold is gay? I haven’t read the books in a while and I don’t think they brought it up at all in any of them besides the example you mentioned, probably because it wasn’t relevant to the story at all and it wouldn’t make sense for a fourth grader to be interested in romance all that much, so I’m guessing Harold figured out he was gay long after the events of the story. Good on Dav Pilkey for having that representation there without it feeling forced.

[@HebiHouse]

Zoe Riddick That's the point. He's so asexual that it comes off as aromantic. How can he write a gay romance scene when he can't even deal with straight romance?

[@PlotlinePlus]

Seriously, seeing a RebelTaxi video in my recommended in my recommended is poetic.

[@mrshmuga9]

"I've never made an animation." "I need $350K and also I'm going to experiment." And he thinks he's going to win people over, how?

[@MegaDeathRay10]

He won’t answer my question about if terrorism exists in growing around

[@Nyorane]

This gonna crash 'n burn, son.

[@blondiesaband]

It seems like the kind of show he would make a really long Animated Atrocities about.

[@seanmyster6]

I'm glad you did this video, because you're one of the few people I would trust to give a fair critique on anything relating to Mr. Enter.

[@toon4thought]

I agree that the main concern I have is the budget. I respect that he has to keep himself honest, but you do have a point when you say aiming for professional quality may be asking for too much. $350K is not by any stretch impossible, but at this rate it seems he'll barely only make it to the halfway point, if even that. And yes, I do really want to see this happen. I think it has massive potential and should be supported. It's just... its hard for me to feel like even the max support he'll get will be enough.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

Toon4Thought I know he is trying to get RebelTaxi to try to support him on this so I hope that works out because they have a huge influence and fanbase

[@toon4thought]

Pan himself has expressed interest and approval over the project. Though his Reddit followers don't seem to be in the same boat, unfortunately, probably because of how much Pan has expressed his dislike for Enter in the apst.

[@sarahmiscellaneous521]

I pretty much agree with you on every point. I used to watch Enter, back when I was first interested in animation and would watch pretty much anything about cartoons. I haven’t watched him for years since there is so much better out there in my opinion, but I do want him to succeed and live out his dreams. However, the concept is really bizarre. I’m not saying that it couldn’t work, but if the show is going to tackle serious themes I feel like this setting is very inappropriate. If it was simply a light hearted comedy that just stuck to its own bizarre cartoon logic, then sure. But to tackle real-world topics in such a questionable setting? It just doesn’t feel right. Im not sure what serious topics he’s considering, but things such as sexuality, trauma, etc. would be really uncomfortable with children who just act like adults, or adults with the mental capacity of children. I also have serious doubts about his ability to work with others, due to his distaste of any criticism and constant overreactions. I hope I’m wrong though, but I really don’t think I am.

[@tyeishaleisure]

Sarah Miscellaneous I’ve read some of the scripts, and the show is too cartoony to cover the heavy topics. Just my opinion.

[@RonquixoteDIII]

I used to be a fan when I was younger but his content is suited for animation novices tbh. The more you know about the industry and story telling the less impressive he seems. Once you find others who can analyze like pieguy or strider he becomes mediocre. Plus his comedy style is adolescent type ranting and among people who do it like nostalgia critic, he's not even that good at that. Idk I used to really like him but now If I tried watching a video nowadays I'd sigh my lungs out.

[@sarahmiscellaneous521]

Tyeisha Leisure I haven’t really read over his scripts, but I agree. I hope if this does get funded he ditches that goal for the most part. Gay character? Yeah sure. Character dealing with the emotional struggles of being gay? Definitely out of place.

[@sarahmiscellaneous521]

Ronquixote D. III Yeah, totally. It also helps when you’ve gotten old enough or know enough about the industry to form your own opinions. Like I may not agree with pieguy on everything but his points make sense. Enter however doesn’t seem to understand comedy and basic cartoon logic.

[@tyeishaleisure]

Sarah Miscellaneous just from reading the scripts I can tell you that he would have to raise the ages of the characters in order to be able to cover heavier topics or else it will be very inappropriate. The main character Sally is only 3, and her brother is only 7. These two are also acting like a married couple.

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

lol no >Be MrEnter >Somehowgetsfunded >IBelieveInMiracles.JPG >Start production of my shitty cartoon >Gets caught in a redundant loop during the writing progress >Fucks the sound quality >Voice acting turns out to be a mess >Starts thinking of koalas >Depressionsesion.mp3 >Pulls a Spoony >The cartoon never sees the light of day >All the kids demand their paren'ts money back

[@seto007]

9 months is far too long a development cycle for a single episode. Imagine if a show like Steven Universe, Adventure Time or SpongeBob only released a single episode every 9 months. It would be incredibly hard to get invested in, and would likely be forgotten about over time. Even A Fox in Space, which received both critical and viewer acclaim when it was released, has largely been forgotten about due to how long it's taking for the other episodes to come out.

[@richardthorndike6608]

the episodes are made all at the same time.

[@casperrabbit7254]

To be fair, SU would release five episodes every 9 months 😍

[@SarcasticAriel]

I think this cartoon is confusing. When I told my friend about it he thought elders were killed in this world and I tried to convince him that wasn't the case but I don't think we even know what happens to the elderly in this world. In fact there is a lot of things that we don't know.

[@thethingthatwouldnotgoaway5881]

Viktor Nikiforov I feel you.When I heard the concept,lots of questions flew into my mind.What happens when the kids grow up?Do they just lose their rights?Do people become younger when they grow up in this universe?How are the kids supposed to handle a government when they get triggered over something as simple as people disagreeing with them?How is this supposed to explore gender and sexuality if kids under 10 can't even feel sexual attraction?

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

Best thing is my opinion is EXTEND THE DAMN TIME! One thing that kind of surprised me that wasn't answered in the livestream is why he set such a short amount of time. Hoping next Sunday we will get an answer to that

[@holy_magikarp]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes Growing Around's plot. The story and promo art feel very dated? It gave me the vibes of a budget Nicktoons cartoon in the 1990s. And this whole plot about kids being in power has been done before. It's called "Kids Next Door". And it's basic concept is way more believable than Growing Around. I can accept kids being secret operatives living a secret double-life, but I can't accept an entire society run by kids. Who put them in power?? How are kids more knowledgeable than adults?? Is this some sort of benjamin button scenario??? And also I really hate this "ooo, we're gonna explore sensitive subjects " bit that he did. Lots of cartoons tackle sensitive subjects, (e.g. Gumball, Steven Universe, Hey Arnold etc) but they don't sell their show base on this fact alone. I can't help but see it as pandering to the "woke" crowd.

[@davekendall5936]

HolyMagikarp What's the "woke" crowd?

[@holy_magikarp]

Dave Kendall Ah, my bad. I guess you can substitute the word 'woke' with social justice warriors? I'm just referring to that crowd who will blindly praise any show so long as it includes taboo topics which they support such as lgbt, sex etc etc

[@holy_magikarp]

Agro Dolce sorry my dude, they actually dont show KND where I come from, so im not sure if everyone has heard of it

[@davekendall5936]

HolyMagikarp There's also a crowd that blindly praises anything that's traditionally animated, or even just 2D animated.

[@alexchap7744]

The 1990s aspect is intentional apparently, which makes sense when you remember how much he praises the 90s as a decade, (to be fair, it was a good decade animation-wise,) on top of all the 90s shows he's reviewed positively. I also believe mentioned at some point that he wanted to invoke the nostalgia of 90s cartoons.

[@sandiman21]

I don't care for Mr. Enter's work, but you were warming me up to the project... until you mentioned that he wants to cover contemporary topics and issues. I turn to animated works largely to escape that stuff. If I want modern topical arguments, I've got highly opinionated people around me in my day-to-day life whom I frequently disagree and can fill that role just fine. I get wanting to differentiate your work (and if you're going the kids make the rules route, that's a cliche that typically only lasts for a single episode in a regular cartoon) but I feel this could turn out to be following the crowd of contemporary political discussion in the worst of ways. Just my thoughts, but I do wish him the best all the same.

[@frogglen6350]

sandiman21 Plus, there are already cartoons and anime that handle serious issues.

[@train4292]

Fair point

[@CaveatCartoonShows]

Even if he does manage to succeed, I don't think the final product would be particularly good or note-worthy, no matter how much money or resources he pools into it. The problem with Mr. Enter is that he thinks just because he can critique cartoons, he knows how to make them. I've read through the scripts he posted online and his writing is incredibly bland. His work is neither "bad", nor "good", it's merely competent. This is because he's a stubborn critic who thinks there's a universal criteria that can make a work of fiction "good". It just feels like he's so focused on avoiding tropes and cliches he personally criticises in his reviews that his writing becomes too clean and watered down. Even though this crowdfunding campaign is a big risk, Mr. Enter himself is NOT a risk-taker when it comes to storytelling. Risk is what prevents any creative work from being bland. He thinks avoiding "bad" tropes and cliches is "risky", but in actuality it's the opposite, since tropes and cliches are merely tools. Mr. Enter's work is bland because it hides behind the idea that, if you merely strive to be competent, the only criticism people can give you is "this is not to my personal taste". And this is to say nothing of the fact that he, himself, doesn't understand how animation production works because he has no experience making cartoons. He never made any crappy Flash cartoons at the age of twelve like so many passionate animators have done. Mr. Enter can't even draw, so it's hard to have any faith that he actually knows how to oversee this project. I know he's at least practiced drawing a few times, but he seems to have no commitment to actually developing his skills. I'm sorry, but why would you try to create something in a visual medium if you have no artistic skill? Yeah, sure, he can hire other people to do the visuals for him, but there's a reason the vast majority of people who create animated shows are talented artists themselves. Mr. Enter shouldn't be directing storyboard artists or animators if he can't do the work himself. On a surface level, Enter might understand how shot composition and timing work, but being able to replicate those with his own hands would give him a much more rounded understanding. This is probably why the visuals for Growing Around aren't good. The character designs and backgrounds are just bland, nothing special. They have the same generic look every Western cartoon seems to have these days. I don't think this is the fault of the artists Mr. Enter has hired. As the one heading this project, Mr. Enter is responsible for making sure his team is outputting quality work, but if he doesn't know how to draw, he's not qualified to do so. For example, he can't provide his artists quality sketches or drawings to work off of, which really dilutes the level of collaboration between them. So, yeah, to conclude my long rant, if this campaign doesn't fail (though it likely will), I don't think Growing Around will be anything special. It'll be a bland, perfectly clean piece of animation that strives to be nothing more than generic: Serviceable but unimpressive animation, inoffensive but uninteresting characters, and competent but forgettable writing. This is because it's headed by someone who has never worked on anything resembling a cartoon before, and who thinks avoiding all possible criticism makes for engaging storytelling.

[@bigmacsauce1953]

Unicorn Bunny he didn't draw the characters tho....

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

As someone who is an artist and works for an animation company, you’ve summarized my feelings on Mr Enter perfectly. I don’t really like his reviews tbh, but I still really would like for him to succeed with his work. Unfortunately, the way this entire fundraiser was set up is incredibly shortsighted and even nonsensical.

[@kelly_seastar]

My concern for Growing Around is that it's based on a dropped pilot for a cartoon called Flipped Flopped. I mean just because a work is abandoned doesn't mean it's not copyrighted.

[@onettaviator5396]

I'd give him a shot: other than that one movie of Fairly OddParents, I've never seen anything like this. And I think I'm probably like, twice the age of the show's demographic. So yeah, this'll probably be something new for kids. Overall, seems legit, let's see this! Edit: Just read one of the scripts. It's actually a little better than it looks! Good stuff :D

[@jackmcmorrow9397]

Honestly I don’t think enter is a good enough writer or producer to make this work. He had to hire someone to edit his videos for him because he was so bad at doing it himself that he’d constantly miss huge editing problems. That’s not really the kind of organizational skills you want on a tv show.

[@EbonyPenmarks]

I'm just reading his book, and the language is not developmentally appropriate. Grade 3 literature is still very straightforward style of prose with figurative speech used sparingly for the right occasion. It's also not consistent with the character's age. One moment the protagonist speaks like a child. The next, it sounds like an adult using speech cliches.

[@ginogatash4030]

are we just NOT gonna talk about how creepy and unapealing his premise is?

[@otaku4life697]

How so? not arguing I just am wondering why you think so.

[@ginogatash4030]

Otaku 4life it's about kids who act like adults, and adults who act like kids, Enter is infamous for putting a weird paedophile vibe in his writing. if you look at the reviews of his DA fictions or look at them yourself (wich are suppoused to be the scripts for this), the reviewers were all freaked out by how the kids were portrayed in them, and honestly i felt a bit uncomfortable too. plus the idea of adults acting like children is just pathetic, especially if you know Mr Enter's manchild like attitude, and the "father" is just a Mr Enter self insert.

[@jennifercorbett8640]

@@ginogatash4030 Okay, so, because he DARED to write stories about kids, that gives you the right to make up shit like this?

[@ginogatash4030]

@@jennifercorbett8640 to be clear, I'm not calling him a pedo, there is no concrete evidence to that, I said that his WRITING was weird and gave off a pedo vibe, which was likely not intended, I probably should've phrased it better.

[@jennifercorbett8640]

@@ginogatash4030 Haven't read any of his stories, so idk what those vibes are.

[@cordyceps7531]

I feel it will fail, like No offense to Enter, but I’ve seen the art and stories and it’s all just kinda cheesy and nothing special

[@heathers7789]

Me too. It's not a very original idea imo.

[@billybarnett9518]

Originality is dead.

[@billybarnett9518]

Agro Dolce I wasn't trying to be cool, I truly believe that, nothing is original anymore.

[@mynamesnotrick]

That's bad too, unfortunately. Big ambition, but mediocre writer.

[@train4292]

Hey at least you have an explanation for why it might fail, unlike some people

[@Moony1568]

I really don’t see this working out too well. Enter has no prior knowledge, no experience, and no skills in animation. Hell, I dont even know if he as a degree in art or film (I honestly don’t know that. If he does have a degree, please tell what it is). If he’s trying to get this show to a network, I don’t see that happening with his lack of skill. He’s also very stubborn so I can’t see him wanting to take criticism from executives. If this is going to be a web series, than yeah it may have a chance but the goal he set is too high and unrealistic. Is he trying to create a full length pilot, 11-22mins? Or a short, 6-8? I’m also very skeptical about his idea. I have so many questions about it and there’s not enough information to answer them. I know he had a livestream but I shouldn’t have to go to his channel just to get information on this show. It should all be right there on the campaign. I can’t see him getting that much money in a month. I do want to see the show but I honestly believe that he has a better chance creating a book series out of this.

[@LeafRazorStorm]

Mr. Enter says he's never going to college because it causes nothing but mounds of crippling debt just for a chance at a job that might not even exist in four years. So yeah, no degree and no plans for a degree. This is the guy who wants your $350K.

[@deadlywork]

To be fair, you don't necessarily need a degree in order to be a professional in an artistic industry. They only care about your practical skills, literally every single artist says this. School is mostly just good for making connections. Egoraptor has never went to college, but regardless of your opinion on the man, he is a professional-level animator who could get work and he's never been to university. But with that being said, yes, he has no real experience with animation or scriptwriting for an actual show and he flat out admits this. I mean, it's good that he's honest, but it's also a big reason why people aren't going to fund this campaign.

[@Moony1568]

DW inc. It’s his lack of experience that worries me. I would be extremely shocked if he actually succeeds

[@Moony1568]

Leaf-Razor His views on college are so toxic to me. Yeah debt sucks but college degrees give you a boost in whatever career you’re trying to get into, even art careers. You’re more credible with one.

[@LeafRazorStorm]

Plus, even if you drop out, all those small projects you made for class can make for a nice portfolio of what you're capable of. More of that experience Mr. Enter desperately needs.

[@missiontobeaman3111]

*I do animations for free. Single handedly. It takes a while sure but it does NOT take that much money.*

[@unstableanimations]

I'm animating my own series, and the cost right now is so much less than Mr. Enter had for this project.

[@phantom-pr6op]

I've read some of Enter's scripts and watched most of the live stream last night. The work itself seems really good quality. I love the writing and the characters. It might not be anything groundbreaking, but it's certainly charming and ambitious and I'd like to see it get funded. However, it's after the pilot that I worry a bit more. It seems like his attitude is let's get this pilot done then see where it goes from there. That's a reasonable mindset, but I'm worried we won't see any action from it past the pilot unless Netflix or someone picks it up and aids with the funding. He's saying he'd like full creative control which I applaud. But that also adds major restrictions on which networks could help air it.

[@Burro..]

phantom130 5 Where can I check the script out? That's the thing that'll make it or break it for me.

[@TheStarBot]

Burro Ater on his dA

[@phantom-pr6op]

Yeah. Makes me wonder if this is better suited for books, perhaps with the occasional animated short on his channel. Like I said, I admire what he's trying to do and the dreamer in me would love to see it work out, but I have my doubts.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

Idk if he would be allowed due to his reputation on KZbin, but I feel if it was KZbin Red exclusive or at least came out on KZbin Red first it could help with getting more revenue. He probably wouldn't like it and neither would most of his fans (myself included)but it would allow him I think a more concrete and stable cash flow, and maybe (and this is most important) get sponsors, his channel has never had sponsorships and idk quite why, I feel it is of his own volition that he doesn't do sponsors. But I feel the show and his channel could benefit. It feels like selling out I know but if you need the money things like that sometimes need to happen to get it.

[@phantom-pr6op]

Fair point. Not sure how much I agree about his public image being tarnished. Aside from some things that happened in his beginning which he has apologized for, I never really agreed with much of the criticism either. So maybe I'm just a bad judge on that front? I've heard people complain a lot about him being too nitpicky and there are some things he complains about that I'm willing to let slide. But doesn't that make him a better fit to try to do his own series? Since you'd assume he'd look at his own work with the same critical eye? Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm just curious where this goes. And I hope that the people who back him get what they were promised.

[@birdsongphylactery]

You were way too nice about this, it’s never gonna happen and probably shouldn’t (that said I respect your restraint)

[@lordoflard1425]

you're trying really hard not to burn bridges, i don't blame you

[@headspill]

With how biased, critical, and negative Mr. Enter is with other cartoons that aren’t his own, if this show eventually DOES come out and get made, and it bombs... he’s gonna make a total ass out of himself.

[@attackonlui1367]

This man already has a Patreon and can barely reach his goal of 500 dollars per review and is doing Indiegogo for roughly a quarter of a million dollars?

[@rhondahoward8025]

I love how brutal you were in your critique Pie. No offense, but Enter isn't professional by any means. He's ambitious, like you said, and stubborn, but not top notch and not polished. You should see how he responded to a college student who tried to critique his Growing Around pitch. Spoiler: Not Well. In fact, he made fun of the dude for _having_ a college degree! I don't mean to be cynical, but I think he's biting off more than he can chew. This type of story doesn't really wow me at all.

[@DragonMaiden77]

He has been talking about this project for years now, and it’s gone from being a TV show, to a book, to a TV show again. He can’t handle any criticism, he is considered extremely toxic in the animation community, and who is to say he will even go through with this phase of the project? This is not the first time Growing Around the TV show has fallen through because he said he couldn’t handle the pressure from it, even though he had voice actors and animators for it. I wouldn’t throw my money at someone who I know can’t follow through with something

[@el-karasu6070]

DragonMaiden77 how is he toxic? Because he made mistakes in the past?

[@lakamokolaka]

Odacity He sent people to send death threats to writers of spongebob for a joke about plankton on the road. Dude this is the real world, stuff like that that does not go away because you say sorry in the animation industry and it will follow him for a long time also. The creator of ren and stimpy fucked up on ren and stimpy years ago and still has not gotten a long-term job on anything else due to it, because sorry does undo the mistakes you made when it comes to this industry at all. It is just like school and how you have a reputation people will hear about before they even see you. Let's say for example you broke a bunch of children's noses in the 10th grade and said "sorry," for it. But doesn't mean in 11th grade when something bad happens the teachers who know won't look right at you when something goes wrong, or the kids who do won't try to avoid you because they haven't forgotten either. The industry is just like that, they are the kids who will avoid you if you have a history of being intolerable aka the people who will hire and work with you. They will also blame you due to your past when things go wrong aka any higher-ups who see a problem behaviorally and know about it. I will honestly be surprised if he did not get blacklisted because in this industry you can get a popular show canceled for just pissing off a producer of your show.

[@georgemouse504]

lakamokolaka Did he really "send people" though? Did he say "Hey go send this guy I don't like death threats"? Or did rabid fans do what rabid fans do, regardless of what anyone says, using publicly available information, such as Twitter handles?

[@georgemouse504]

lakamokolaka And how long ago was this? Did he not apologize and learn from his mistakes? People screw up, from what little I remember that was very early in his career anyway. What recent reasons are there to hate him any more than anyone else? Hell I see people say PhantomStrider is the worst reviewer ever, so whatever

[@lakamokolaka]

George Mouse It actually does not matter in the industry. If you were the head if all of the targeted harassment that enough grounds to be on the shitlist. He made a video that cause the writers to get harassed and they saw what he said about them. That all they need to put you on that list is stuff like that

[@KamiAnimeS1]

Loving the videos lately I haven’t been watching for months but your still great

[@CleaveTheDragon]

The amount of money he's asking for is unrealistically high, it's the kind of budget that you would expect if you worked for a large studio, which he has adamantly said he's against, employing professionals who are working on a full season in a production line. One single episode, to be shown for free online, it doesn't really need all that. I'm not surprised since Mr Enter isn't an artist, let alone animator, and doesn't know what kind of methods are the most optimal for achieving his vision in a realistic degree, but my impression is he wants to make something on par with live television and is using that as a basis, when it'd be better off sticking to maybe something Flash-esque where you can rely more on pre-made assets and limited animation, something that's worked out very well for a ton of successful animators on youtube I'm sure. A crowdfund for that kind of pilot, where the implication is that there's this big base of works to reuse and build reference off of, feels more achievable to me than "making one pilot, and than if that miraculously does well would translate to hundreds of thousands of dollars on patreon" which is just absurd.

[@lakamokolaka]

250k for animation for a pilot? I am sorry but that isn't realistic in the slightest. Not even the fan anime from a guy named misty costs even 50k and that including sound and all of that and he has already produced two episodes of his project that has fighting and everything. Enter has a more down to earth show, no way it costs 250k for the pilot alone compared to that

[@AlienFaun]

Oh yes. I'm glad that you bought up that KZbinr. He had the money but really lousy at budgeting.

[@KazeShikamaru]

But that was bad and people made fun of it. I wouldn't bring up that anime if I were you.

[@lakamokolaka]

Maurice Fleshman I am just saying animation wise even that did not cost half the budget and that was a fan product

[@Pikaman20008]

You do realize the animation for that was absolute garbage right? Thus the need for a higher animation budget.

[@lakamokolaka]

Pikaman20008 But the problem was also with the animators they hired. See the animation would of been alright but this is another point pieguy brought up depending on who you hire it doesn't really matter how high the budget is if they really do not have the skills to do so. Also it was managed poorly it didn't need more money, it was also the problem that the guy running it also had no expierence in managing that stuff. There is a pilot on right now on kickstarter that has 25k as its goal and it made by people who have expierence are making an western action show. You do not need 250k for this kind of show if even professionals are doing it for not even half that

[@willbthebassist539]

I was afraid this was going to be another video shitting on Enter like pretty much every other video about him on KZbin, but these are actually really reasonable critiques on his project. I'm not much of a fan on his nowadays, but I do hope this gets funded somehow.

[@Official_Anonymous]

Why doesn't he just make the pilots shorts instead? I'm sure that would be much less costly than a full pilot...

[@casualvanilla]

That's what everyone was telling him. What's worse is that I know several shows that have had pilots shorter than the standard episodes. For SpongeBob, Help Wanted is around 7 minutes instead of 11. That Breadwinners pilot is definitely less than 11, and the pilot shorts for the Fairly OddParents are all shorter than 8 minutes even.

[@snowstorm9310]

You should call this Series IndieGroceries. Going shopping for Indiegogos

[@LunatheMoonDragon]

I've been scrolling through all the comments and there's generally 2 big things people are saying; "This will fail and here's why" and "I kinda like him, sure hope this works out for him after all" Essentially, no one has faith that he will actually reach this goal, the best they can do is hope he can pull the money out of his ass. Which is sad. I'm actually kind of in the middle. I unsubbed from Mr. Enter years ago when I stopped enjoying his videos, but I kind of do like the plot idea of Growing Around. That being said, it's still highly confusing to me and LOADS of questions need answered. It's like he went "haha wouldn't it be funny is kids ruled the world?" but didn't stop to think about how that might work, in a magical or non magical sense. So the "children" of the show have sex and produce more "adults?" The whole thing is weird. And it's not like the show can ignore it, either. If Mr. Enter is adamant about touching on topics like death and sexuality, he HAS to address how that shit works in universe. Like, yikes.

[@foundit3262]

Good job on the critique, but I have to admit that I'm scared for ya. Knowing the reputation of John's audience, they could immediately dislike bomb this video to oblivion once they hear anything negative you say about the project. Let's hope they don't find out about this and have your comment section saved from becoming a cesspool of negativity. God's speed, my guy.

[@fuzzybuzzy3159]

found it It's crazy how fellow Mr. Enter fans can take offense to other people's critique so personally even though Enter himself has told his audience to... Not do that, lol.

[@TheLadysAtelier]

Excuse me? I watch and really like MrEnter and his videos and I don't see how anyone could not like this video if they're a fan of him. Because he is treated respectfully in this video and actually criticized reasonably. I don't know where this preconception that his fans are so stupid they can't even understand a video that genuinely respects him isn't hating on him came from, but I suggest you don't just assume things like that in the future.

[@spongyoshi]

I hope it does not as well but I had no idea MrEnter fans could be so negatively vocals since I've heard way more critique against MrEnter than the contrary.

[@KazeShikamaru]

But a lot of Enter fans also like Pieguy. Someone was worried Enter haters would come after him. also, I have talk to a lot of them on his DA. They like the videos. It's not right to judge someone's fanbase like that dude.

[@LeafRazorStorm]

Mr. Enter's already lost 600 subscribers over this campaign. The hate-bombing's gonna happen whether PieGuy helps or not.

[@anonymousyoutuber1405]

I feel like you're getting more Hot Tea Spilling over time and I love it. Every time pieguy pulls out the receipts people listen.

[@HebiHouse]

I know this is gonna sound harsh but I hope it fails. The plot is so stupid and confusing that the amount of questions on how this world works and functions outweigh my desire to watch this. I also have a weird aversion to characters with uncreative names. So having a main character named Sally makes me uninterested. The art style is crap. It looks like coloring books that you find at a target or a Big Lots for a dollar. And the writing. My God is it uninspired, bland, boring and janky. I read three pages of his book and I was nodding off. He wants to make a show about these people? And he doesn't understand kids, at all. He states that there won't be any sexism or racism because kids aren't judgemental. Ah ha ha ha, you wanna run that by me again? Not judgemental? Kids judge other kids all the time! If a kid is a little weird the other kids tend to avoid him or exclude him! Kids insult and name call often! A world where they rule would be chaotic because there's no adult to talk them through their feelings or explain to them that people have feelings and you shouldn't purposely hurt them!

[@HebiHouse]

Agro Dolce Sorry I didn't see this earlier! In my own case when I was Elementary School there was a whole thing of Yugioh v. s Pokemon. So those who liked one could only hang with their own 'kind' til a teacher told them to knock it off. Girls v. s Boys. The biggest one. In that young age boys would exclude girls from playing with them because they were girls and didn't want their friends to mock them. 'K-i-s-s-i-n-g' song as the biggest example.

[@HebiHouse]

KZbin Whiner Yeah. Shorty Mc Short Short's Flip Flopped

[@poodoodrilldick7757]

This is what happens when a critic going nowhere thinks he can get the most help anyone has ever gotten by making cartoons with having "guy who yelled at pony cartoons" be his only experience. Critic =/= Writer

[@BajaGryphon]

Its ether that jimmy neutron movie or that one fairly odd parents speical..

[@Crazy56U]

Spoilers, it never had a chance.

[@StevenVillman]

I'm subscribed to The Mysterious Mr. Enter's KZbin Channel, and i have watched about a half dozen to a dozen of his videos; but I'd *_never_* knew about this animation project (and the related Indiegogo Campaign) of his until now!

[@ChibiRuah]

I’m pretty interested in the idea but come on. 350k is just so much of money for him to pull in. This needed to start small, maybe so flash animators.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

ChibiRuah He is going to be using ToonBoom to animate it

[@Moony1568]

Catherine Knight-Diaz Toonboom is more expensive and harder to use than Flash. And he should put what this show actually is (links to the script, a better description, FAQ, etc.) in the campaign.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

His FAQ I believe has been updated and a KZbin video was made to answer a lot of these questions.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

ChibiRuah I think the amount itself isn't the problem, it's the time the money is expected to be raised. 350K in a month is asking a lot of people in not a lot of time

[@gamedragonify]

Imagine paying to fund a show made by a guy who's video editing skills end at "jump cut"

[@serpenking]

I'm interested in the project and will be watching how it goes. I listened in on the live stream, and it was fascinating. This is clearly a passion project, and as a writer myself, I wish him luck.

[@phantom-pr6op]

Growing Around is slice of life and mostly episodic as far as I can grasp at it. I suppose it would be kind of like taking Clarence, but setting it in the world of Codename Kid's Next Door had the kids already taken over the world haha. From what I gather it has sort of that charm of some modern Cartoon Network shows like We Bare Bears, but while it isn't always the focus (many episodes will just be about having fun), it won't stray away from respectfully teaching kids important lessons in a way I hope will be similar to Hey Arnold, Arthur, or Sesame Street. :)

[@magma1264]

Mr Enter wants $350k for a pilot Yet the Eddsworld fundraiser asked for $250k for an entire SEASON *EDIT* : oops, my mistake. apparently Eddsworld's goal was actually $50,000. Which is weird because I remember it being much larger That being said, I don't think Mr Enter is trying to scam people with this goal. I think he's just genuinely incompetent and doesn't understand how budgeting works From my understanding this is a more dialogue/story driven cartoon, so unless he wants the animation to somehow look Disney quality, why does he need that much for the animation? In his response video, he compared the budget of GA to the budget of Constant Payne (which was $300k) despite the fact that cartoon was a more action oriented cartoon with super detailed backgrounds and studio backing, which Growing Around is clearly not. I'd understand if Growing Around was an action cartoon, but from what I can tell, it's just a typical basic children's comedy

[@ew275x]

I think Enter should be a competent illustrator or learn 3d if he wants to do something like this. Learn what and isn't feasible, look and talk to other pilot creators on KZbin. He could also do comics like what Pan Pizza does to test his ideas out. Plus it just seems like he has an axe to grind with the industry and that's why he made the short.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

ew275x He will be getting outside animators (mainly from DeviantArt I think) He has two right now. His main role is he is the writer (He has written 28 episodes so far and posted some of the scripts on his DA)

[@mynamesnotrick]

He sucks at drawing.

[@ew275x]

Catherine Knight-Diaz Yeah, not a fan of him just writinng scripts, he needs to storyboard, unless he is hiring someone for that. Storyboarding can make or break episodes in animated series. Plus 250K just for the animation... is he going to resurrect Satoshi Kon? I still feel Enter should get his hands dirty for animation. Even a scriptwriter like Mari Okada has moved into directing anime.

[@thisisawsome34253212]

I think that the funding will come entirely by Enter's fans, because outside of that Mr. Enter has a dreadful reputation.

[@twixieshores]

Which means he won't reach his goal.

[@aaronbasham6554]

Here is what mysterious mr. Needed to do. He needed to take one of these scripts he had posted to deviantArt years ago, and make an animatic for it. That way, he would have sort of a proof-of-concept for this on the Indiegogo, and would be able to show it off in Greater detail or give a better idea of what he was going for

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

I don't know about the show, but I read the first book, and it was as good as I had hoped. Obviously, it's very kid-friendly, and the first chapter seems pandering as it builds a seemingly perfect world. However, it's got more than its fair share of darker and more emotional moments, such as the family drama between Sally and her mother as well as the psychological torture that the mayor used to stay in power. It was all presented in ways that were palatable to children, but the plot wasn't insultingly simple, and it contained some nice themes. It's clear that Mr. Enter is good at taking his own advice when it comes to writing for children. While the cartoon may or may not work out, I think Growing Around has quite a bit of potential.

[@literallygaston2489]

MeowTheRainbowX You’re allowed to have your opinion but I really don’t see what’s so “kid friendly” about this book. This “drama” between Sally and her mother was Sally basically emotionally abusing her, not to mention the writing is well, not good in general. You can see that Mr Enter doesn’t read much. The only thing I can hope for is that he wants the cartoon to take a different direction.

[@ids5621]

Imma keep it real with you chief, his show looks garbage

[@pac45x]

Ok so I don’t care about Enter’s past actions and his personality that much. I think he’s an ok person who makes good reviews. However: 1. Kids Next Door already pulled off the “kids are the higher ups” thing, making this show look way less original. 2. Tackling serious subjects in what looks like a kids cartoon is rather forced. 3. With $8,000 raised as I write this, Enter’s not reaching that goal anytime soon, if not ever, especially if you have only 100k subs. 4. All he’s shown is some drawing and his scripts which I haven’t read and I don’t care enough to read, why can’t we at least get SOME form of animation to show us how the animation might look? 5. I heard his book is painfully mediocre, so if that didn’t succeed, how would this work out? So yeah, this is probably going to bomb. If it works out I’ll be proud and all that, but if it fails I’ll be searching KZbin for other people’s “animated atrocities” on it.

[@VeridisJoe]

Someone like Enter who makes a career off of bashing and talking down to writers, creators, ect, i don't see where exactly he'd get a chance to pitch this. Best of luck to John but this 350,000 in a month is kinda crazy. Whatever happens, happens I suppose.

[@TheSpecialPsycho]

Veridis Joe He doesn't bash writers at this point. He's actually toned down, a lot. Look at his past few reviews.

[@catherineknight-diaz8977]

Ditto on that he had gotten a lot better with that and respected death of the author more. He also tends to look at shows in a much less personal perspective then he used to

[@VeridisJoe]

Catherine Knight-Diaz Well that's very fortunate.

[@100billionsubscriberswithn4]

Doesn't change the fact that he DID bash writers to a ridiculous extent at one point. Even if he's changed, the people he pitches to could find that and decide not to hire him.

[@boxylemons7961]

if someone ends up critcizing his cartoon & he refuses to accept his criticism[as usual] I think he'll officially lose any semblance of credibility he has left. also hi verdis joe

[@TheAutobotPower]

Is pretty impressive, can't believe almost 250 people like to thrown heir money to the garbage.

[@jennydeath5182]

I’m gonna call it now, if he gets all the money he’s gonna pull a spoony

[@WaferTots]

maybe he should have made a webcomic :/

[@politicalmemes1296]

$300,000 in 1 month yea right...

[@GrievousFrom]

I hope it works out. He seems really passionate about entertainment. On the other hand, 350K is more than I would expect him to need.