An honest look at the CSB Ancient Faith Study Bible

In this episode, we take a look inside Holman's "Ancient Faith Study Bible" which is available at: tinyurl.com/4emcrtfy
The video on the CSB translation by ‪@markwardonwords‬ can be found at: • The CSB Is the Best Bi...
My previous review of the Ancient Modern Bible by Thomas Nelson Publishers can be found at: • A Bible teacher review...
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[@sandracoombs2255]

I have seen at least three other bible reviews of this Ancient Faith Study Bible and none has given the detail you have provided. You took us right through this bible letting us see all its aspects and contents. Really excellent review. 5 stars. Thank you. 😊

[@Poppop-yp7zm]

We’re really blessed to have so many resources to further our study of the scriptures!

[@BillWalkerWarren]

Cool review. My thinking is the clear plastic sheet is to stop the first page from wrinkling. Also you could always use it to protect the maps when you trace routes out with your fingers . As for the limited scope of time covered in the Bible they might be planning for sequels like the Near Ancient faith study Bible and the Medieval faith study Bible or the pre- Reformation study Bible lol 😆 Great channel brother Blessings

[@livinright1]

Excellent review! I just ordered this bible after watching you and several other pastor's recommendations 🙌

[@davethinkingsystems]

Thanks for the video. I went and got a copy of this after watching your video and really like it. Its nice to see something different like this.

[@MM-jf1me]

On just an aesthetic level this Bible looks gorgeous. Thank you for your comprehensive review and for mentioning where the notes came from! I don't think any of the other reviews I've seen of this Bible mentioned that commentary set. I thought your description of this Bible being a super condensed "'best of' of a 'best of'" was both funny and very useful information.

[@waltwestbrook6651]

Thanks for this. I used to own the ACCS and I studied with Tom Oden at Drew. I'm grateful the convenience/thoroughness of this book. This is the first of your reviews I've seen. I've subscribed and look forward to seeing you again,

[@ArleneAdkinsZell]

Thank you for all the details and information, makes the decision to obtain much easier.

[@JeansiByxan]

Wow! Sounds like a goldmine for a history nerd. Thanks! Will be purchasing this for sure.

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thank you, JM🌹🔥🌹🌹

[@shanedarden5238]

I have this one but have not looked at it a whole lot . I need to check it out

[@lindaharrison3240]

These bible reviews are excellent. What a great idea for your channel, and we benefit from your thorough reviews so much. Thanks for saying that every heresy of our faith has already occurred in the first 500 years? I'll have to re-watch this video to find that exact location, but I came back to the video for that reason. I hear SO much smack talk about the bible from unbelievers and it reassures me to know that there's nothing new out there; it's already been addressed. Thanks so much for your channel and your wisdom. Praise God.

[@SibleySteve]

Despite this Bible lacking the apocrypha and the LXX leaning version I prefer (after all the fathers relied on the LXX), I went ahead and bought this Bible yesterday. As a professional printer, this is a great product. I love the low brightness of the paper, it’s almost tan like the UBS Greek NT, easy on the eyes. I LOVE the limited and beautiful artwork that provides a low key old school wood cut print hack. Sometimes the Baptist theology lands like comic relief at the end of a note, but as a former Baptist seminarian I just think this Bible is a cool weird mash up of Baptist contribution to church history. Would have loved to have less notes pages and replace those wasted sheets with the full Didache or Athanasian creed or even anything printed instead of lines on a page (as a printer it costs the same whether it’s words or lines, so more words please). Great review. I prefer the text of the Orthodox Study Bible or the NABRE or NRSV, but this is the perfect Christmas gift for history and Bible lovers.

[@PrentissYeates]

This is an incredible review. I have the CSB study Bible, and have a leather soft CSB ancient faith study Bible ( I won it in contest, and really enjoy it). My primary use and learn study Bibles are the ESV study Bible, CSB study Bible , the KJV reformation heritage study Bible and Nelson’s NKJV study Bible. But the Bible leather lust in me- I bought the Holman hand made series in the ancient faith study book, just for the pure fun of looking, holding and reading an extremely well done bible-

[@AmericanShia786]

Since you are a graduate of Gordon-Cromwell, that gives me another reason to subscribe to your channel. I didn't attend that institution, but I have a respect for the books and KZbin videos of Ryan Reeves who taught there. Buying the Ancient Faith Study Bible would get the CSB bible translation into my library. Back in the day, when I was in my 20s in the 1980s, I liked the NKJV and NASB 77, but NOT the NIV or the Amplified, two other translations I tried to like. It was a big step for me to embrace the ESV. It took the release of the ESV Study Bible and Concordia's ESV Lutheran Study Bible (not to be confused with the ELCA's NRSV Lutheran Study Bible) to get me to use the ESV (at the expense of the NASB 77, which remains on my shelf, but is seldom used). My study of the Early Church Fathers is tied to my study of the Protestant Reformation from Anglican, Lutheran, Dutch Reformed, and Eastern Orthodox perspectives. So, I doubt if I really need this study bible. However, it would be an excuse to get the CSB into my library. I learn a lot from some bible review channels, so I will check out more of your videos.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the channel! :-)

[@RonnieHyde-mh9dc]

Based on your review I ordered me a copy. Though I am still in the opening chapter of Genesis, I am finding the notes in it to be wonderful - even thought I do not yet know who all of the authors of the notes are. Thank you very much for your review of this Bible.

[@dozicusmaximus]

Thanks for the breakdown of this bible dude. Also I dig the shirt. The Lone Wolf and Cub movies are a good time.

[@DiscipleDojo]

It's actually the Three Storms from Big Trouble in Little China! 😁

[@dozicusmaximus]

@@DiscipleDojo haha. Oops. Same hats and 3 of them. Big Trouble in Little China is definitely a good time!

[@DiscipleDojo]

It's the GOAT movie in my opinion! :) I do have a Lone Wolf and Cub inspired Mando/Grogu figure on the shelf behind me now (but I didn't have them when this video was made).

[@rubyflipper]

I have this. It is truly beautiful.

[@jacksonr8336]

Man, I wish I had this Bible right now. I'm actually looking over John Chysostom's homilies on the Gospel of John from the ante-nicene, nicene, and post nicene church fathers series that this Bible derives from. And wow, it is just so much to take in, so much more then what most people would ever desire to do. I would really like how this Bible condenses all the info into one study bible for easy reading, which would make it a great Bible for people trying to reconnect with the church fathers.

[@colleengolesh9785]

It's best just to read the early Church fathers directly, most are quite readable. Read Confessions, it's a beautiful work.

[@claybrackeen8798]

It’s great. I love the commentary of the church fathers. It’s been a truly inspiring resource as I have read through the Bible over the past 2 years.

[@sushantnaik6364]

JM I have fallen love with this introduction of Ancient Faith Study Bible. It is great to know about their faith on God and His sayings. It is incredible.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Blessings to you, Sushant! ❤

[@markauman1441]

@@DiscipleDojo Do you think you could do niv biblical theology study bible other wise known as zonderman study bible. I find your reviews as some of the best on youtube

[@thetruthshallsetyoufree2040]

I love this Bible!

[@belz2915]

You have inspired me to look into the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture set!

[@DiscipleDojo]

Glad it piqued your interest! You hear that, IVP? Where's my commission?? 😅

[@MM-jf1me]

Same here! It sounds like a wonderful resource!

[@MO-bo2du]

This is a really cool Bible. That said, I feel like they could have provided more detailed bios/profiles and included some images. Also, this Bible REALLY could have used an article on early church history…..

[@PieceOfMyMind.]

I'm guessing that the plastic sheet is to use if you want to block out the ghosting from the pages.

[@eclipsesonic]

I just ordered the goatskin edition of this Bible. I can't wait to get it. The idea of seeing what the early church fathers thought about certain Bible passages sounds really interesting.

[@susyhebner2456]

Curious as to where you found it in goatskin! I want one.

[@passionatetechnology8306]

Amazon has it. I just bought mine new for 60 dollars in goatskin. Retails for 170 or so usually

[@susyhebner2456]

@@passionatetechnology8306 I didn’t see it in goatskin so bought hardback. It’s a fantastic Bible. Just might have to pick up a goatskin when Amazon has it back in again. Thanks again for sharing with me. ❤️🙏

[@Proclivitytolife]

Haha, at around 2:43 he was about to say Church fathers and caught himself and said "interpreters" instead of "fathers". "Early Church ffinterpreters" lol

[@d.c.sodyssey4783]

You mentioned the comments in the Bible are pulled from the Odin's Ancient commentary set , would you know if that means comments try to span up all the way to middle ages before the Reformation what Odin's set tries to do to give a broad selection, or are most comments throughout kept under the 6th century thereabouts.. thanks

[@DiscipleDojo]

From what I saw, most are Patristic era/Pre-Reformation.

[@jasonmalstrom1043]

I picked up this study bible a few days, driven more out of interest in starting to leaern about the church fathers, and definitely enjoying it. The lack of the other two creeds was extra frustrating to me due to there being two blank pages around that section.

[@israelrivera3009]

I got it recently. This one having easily double the study notes than the ancient modern sb, makes me to dont mind the other stuff, since the main reason of a SB are the study notes. 😊

[@jtgamer-nintendo-xbox]

Will this book get me get back in touch because I’ve been so out of touch just reading the regular version of the King James. I don’t understand a lot of the stuff in the early days of the church or nothing. This is very little information. It’s not a lot of detail.

[@d.c.sodyssey4783]

Just a follow-up question, about this study Bible review, as this Bible pulls the ancient comments from the multi volume series by Thomas Odin, he also did I believe another hardback series compiling Reformation era comments, would you know if there is another Study Bible out there that compiles comments from that other series as well? or if any publishers plan to?

[@DiscipleDojo]

I do not know if there is such a Bible.

[@giftenjoyer3664]

11:03 If I'm not mistaken I think this is slander against Origen. He was a respected scholar.

[@user-eu5ln2sn5s]

It is quite revealing that with all the innumerable translations of the Bible, as well as commentaries on the Bible available today, there are more divisions within the Church than ever before! Which begs the question what is wrong, what is missing?!

[@KimNguyentrade]

He also castrated himself, I don't recommend it😂. I love ur recommendations, I Amazon it! Thanku for such a thorough review of this Bible, I'm sold.

[@felipesoto4955]

I am torn between buying the ESV study bible and this one. Thoughts?

[@DiscipleDojo]

ESV Study Bible is a better all around resource

[@claybrackeen8798]

This one. Get a study Bible, too. Different purposes!

[@jacobshepard654]

i bought this for my sole study bible 💀. but i did get introduced to philosophy when i was in middle school so if you understand philosophical thought especially Christian philosophy. then you will more than likely love it. gives you insight into how the Holy Spirit was working through these men especially Constantine (he did have his faults e.g. he swayed…. A LOT no im not judging because we have all at one point or another been the 1/99 that He chases after) did say “church strife/division is worse than war.”

[@twfourofsix]

Does the CSB Ancient Faith Study Bible only include Patristic quotes that support Baptist beliefs?

[@DiscipleDojo]

Not that I could tell.

[@CarnivoresinChrist]

My understanding is that the early church fathers held a very high view of baptism. Most of them saying that baptism was necessary for salvation. This is not a Baptist view. I would be very interested in seeing what they included on this topic. Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38 or 1 Peter 3:21. This would be an interesting test to see if the Baptist Convention allowed their theology to influence what they included.

[@CarnivoresinChrist]

I bought and returned it. It is beautiful but the quotes related to issues that contradict the Baptist doctrine are excluded.

[@claybrackeen8798]

No, not at all.

[@jesmarco374]

Could the plastic sheet be a loop for small print for hard to see people?

[@DiscipleDojo]

What do you mean by "a loop"?

[@hirakisk]

I found the discussion at about 9:40 and Bible verses about God creating the universe out of nothing or from existing material and the Early Church Fathers comments on it. But, if your Bible has the books of the Apocrypha in it, there are verses in it that say point blank that God created the universe out of nothing. For example, 2 Macc. 7:28 "I beg you, child, to look at the heavens and the earth and see all that is in them; then you will know that God did not make them out of existing things." This was my one complaint and why I did not purchase this translation, the Early Church Father used the Apocrypha and commented on it. I would have like that included. Even as a Protestant, it was still a part of Christianity for 1500 years and is good for study and understanding, even if you don't believe those books to be inspired scripture like the rest of the Bible.

[@susyhebner2456]

Very well said! Now I will get more involved in the apocrypha. Might I ask which translation of the Bible you use? I have the apocrypha in KJV, ESV & RSV & NRSV. Thank you in advance for any info you will share with me. 🙏

[@hirakisk]

@@susyhebner2456 I use both the NRSV and the Orthodox Study Bible. The OSB has an English translation of the Septuagint as its basis of the OT and uses the NKJV for the NT. I like the OSB because almost all of the OT quotes used the Septuagint and you can see them in context. Some of the other translations use the Masoretic Texts of the OT which were translated differently to obscure the references to Jesus. For example, the Septuagint translates the verse in Isaiah as "virgin" and that was how it was always understood. In the Masoretic Text, they focus use "young woman", which is what many other English translations use.

[@susyhebner2456]

@@hirakisk Thank you so much!! I will be ordering me a OSB as soon as I can find on. Hopefully I can find a goatskin so it can be my daily reader. Any suggestions please don’t hesitate to advise. Thanks again! ❤️🙏

[@lindaharrison3240]

14:30 Found it!

[@OG_BeeRad]

The only thing I wish was changed in this study Bible, is I wish they would have put the biographies of everyone in one spot instead of speckled throughout the whole Bible.

[@philippamassey3998]

Would you prefer this to the apologetics press study Bible?

[@DiscipleDojo]

I don't know what "apologetics press study Bible" is, I'm afraid.

[@richardbaranzini8805]

I think Apologetics Press is a Church of Christ operation, so I would be careful of what its study Bible says.

[@ArthurFleck-tx9di]

It's for signing the presentation too..

[@DiscipleDojo]

What does that mean?

[@ArthurFleck-tx9di]

@@DiscipleDojo Traditional thing. Your name present this bible to then their name..

[@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800]

14:02 “ it is owned by a denomination in the Southern Baptist Convention but that doesn’t mean it isn’t excellent work…”. 😂😂 Me: laughs in Episcopalian.

[@BlainsTube]

But if we refer back to church history, we probably won't reinvent the wheel. Isn't it just better to stumble along and rediscover long standing truths, freshly? But I'm sure you're going to bring up the point about learning about heresy and wrong paths, from past church history. Well, I guess I'll have to give you that one, since I probably won't live (on this earth), to be 300 years old. "Time" is limited, so discovering truths that have already been found would be efficient.

[@markbeedy6784]

I have not watched this video, yet. But I have an issue with the caption; An HONEST look at the CSB Ancient Faith Study Bible. I think EVERY review that any so-called expert on the Bible should be HONEST. Those of us seeking information on the various versions of the Bible expect honesty. Now I have some serious doubts about those of you who post videos- are you being HONEST or are you just trying to convince us to buy something that may not be useful reading.

[@DiscipleDojo]

Actually, many reviews are hestitant to criticize and critique Bibles in order to avoid alienating publishers. Dojo reviews are candid and honest in this regard. I do not recommend a number of the Bibles I review.

[@olegig5166]

Be interesting to know what this book says at Heb 3:16.

[@paulsimmons3380]

For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? - Hebrews 3:16 For some when they had heard did provoke, howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses: And with whom was He grieved forty years? Was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness? And to whom swear He that they should not enter into His rest, but to them that believed not? So we see, that they could not enter in because of unbelief. After again repeating the testimony, he adds also the question, which makes the argument clear. For he said (he repeats), Today if you hear His voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. Of whom does he speak (he says) [as] having been hardened? Of whom [as] not believing? Is it not of the Jews? Now what he says is to this effect. They also heard, as we hear: but no profit came to them. Do not suppose then that by hearing what is proclaimed ye will be profited; seeing that they also heard, but derived no benefit because they did not believe. Caleb then and Joshua, because they agreed not with those who did not believe, escaped the vengeance that was sent forth against them. And see how admirably he said, not, They did not agree, but, they were not mixed- that is, they stood apart, but not factiously when all the others had one and the same mind. Here it seems to me that a faction too is hinted at. - John Chrysostom

[@olegig5166]

@@paulsimmons3380 thanks for your contribution, however I'm not sure which reading came from which source. Seems this translation instance hinges on two little words "some or all" and it also seems the use of one or the other depend on either the shape of or direction of a small punctuation mark used back in the day. (Who knows, this mark may have its origin in an unintended drop of coffee and then copied and recopied over time.) I'm just working from common sense here, therefore it seems to me if a translator had a choice, he would choose the writing which most agreed with the whole narrative. However I do understand in this instance the translator of the book of Hebrews may not have had any knowledge of the book of Numbers. I will admit to a certain degree of skepticism on my part which stems from a lifetime of doing business with folks and attempting to surmise their knowledge of a subject based on their storyline. For example if I'm conversing with a self proclaimed hydraulic engineer, I might make judgment of his knowledge depending on the comparison of his words today with what he said yesterday. It seems to me the whole issue centers around which of the copy of a copy of a copy of an original the translator chooses to use. We all know there are numerous "originals" out there, each with a different history of original. I find it interesting that one group of versions seem to have similar results in reading while other versions have different results. What's a layman to do? Many times common sense just kicks in and rules choices. I know what Numbers says about Joshua and Caleb, therefore I lean towards the rendering which most agrees with itself and tend to apply this honestly to the rest of the whole by assuming one set of "originals" more reliable than the other.

[@israelrivera3009]

@@olegig5166​​⁠ Were you really interested in what an Ancient Father had to say about Heb 3:16? …….or just wanting to start a debate of apologetics of the whole bible.? 🤖

[@olegig5166]

@@israelrivera3009 sure, it's a good indication of from which manuscript it was translated. So far as a debate, a conflict within a text is an untruth at one place or the other, I find it interesting to compare the number of folks who defend the mistake against the number who admit the mistake. Funny, the ratio is quiet similar to the ratio of saved folks we find at Dan 7:10.

[@israelrivera3009]

@@olegig5166 a truly interesting insight, ill have to analyze that passage to fully understand what you said....just read it in a hurry and didnt get the ratio against the myriads...

[@Zomfoo]

Emergent church feel? Makes me not want to get one.

[@shanesolar3924]

How is the southern Baptist convention going to explain “ancient faith” to me? They have no apostolic succession

[@davidgagnon7806]

By quoting the church fathers.

[@shanesolar3924]

@@davidgagnon7806 who were all Catholic? All of those same church fathers preached the papacy and the immaculate conception. They literally called Mary the mother of god “theotokos” going back to polycarp who was the prominent student of the apostle John

[@davidgagnon7806]

@@shanesolar3924 Good point. So who DOES have apostolic succession?

[@shanesolar3924]

@@davidgagnon7806 the Catholic and orthodox churches primarily.

[@naomijefferis4709]

​@@shanesolar3924 Jesus was immaculately conceived - that's simply biblical Christianity, not a Roman Catholic doctrine. And Mary being exalted as 'mother of God' wasn't introduced till 431. The early church wasn't RC per say until Constantine just universal.

[@angelamc2923]

I sent this puppy right back immediately after a short perusal, because I quickly found a couple of very offensive quotes. I was tricked by the ad copy claiming that the selections were going to be "Christ-centered" into thinking that a modern Protestant offering would avoid the nasty things said by the church fathers, and select edifying things. It's not like there isn't tons of material available to select from. One horrible selection was from a training book for nuns. All of the ancient commentary material is available free online, or for purchase in Bible software. Also I'm pretty anti- Augustine and the direction he impelled the Catholic church, and don't consider anything from his time and later "ancient Christianity." So I prefer a less Augustinian resource. I wouldn't recommend this offering. I got the CSB Baker Illustrated study Bible, and the Ancient Modern Bible instead, and bookmarked the online site that has the ancient commentary.

[@claybrackeen8798]

I didn’t find this pro-Augustinian at all, and I too am pretty anti-Augustinian!