The Three Faces of Darth Vader

[@peterbarlow5709]

Count dooku is easily one of the most under-utilised and underrated villains of the franchise, RIP Christopher Lee

[@seanbaby1060]

I’ve been saying that for years

[@diogocruz21]

Rip to a legend I disagree with you: Count Dooku is overrated. He is not that powerful compared to other sith from the Old Republic. But some fans treat him like he is. He is cool, sofisticated and menacing. They made a good job in the Clone Wars and in the movies. But again, i don't think he is underrated.

[@amanimckenzie32]

@@diogocruz21 The Old Republic sith aren't canon anymore and they're quite op. Most of the Old Republic sith were unbelievably strong that the sith of the prequels and originals were no were near them.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@diogocruz21 There were thousands of Sith during the Old Republic. Only a handful of them were more powerful than Dooku and even fewer were as good as him in lightsaber duels.

[@diogocruz21]

@@amanimckenzie32 unfortunately yes.

[@ronanhimelrick8424]

“It’s like poetry, they rhyme” -George Lucas

[@BenJaguar237]

"It's Poetry Time George, It's time to make things Rhyme"

[@seanmcmullen4274]

fuck...beat me to it

[@blakebrockman2131]

For george it was... Unfortunately for people like Ryan Johnson, all star wars was, was subverting expectations. 🤦

[@MJ-SCUTI]

@@seanmcmullen4274 same

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

that line makes the most sense in context, please watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWi9iGSdqaifoNU

[@thingusbingus8181]

Think about what happened to them before they died, Maul loses his legs, Dooku loses his hands, and Grievous burns alive. Obi Wan cuts his legs off, cuts his remaining hand off and lets him burn.

[@kainezilla3688]

This solidifies the theory for me.

[@plasmaa352]

Oof

[@bbp2930]

Damn

[@tr0n4556]

Obi-wan, destroyer of worlds, and Vader maker.

[@ur_boyfriend8612]

@@tr0n4556 all hail space Jesus

[@MandatoryFruit]

I love the appreciation for Christopher Lee as Count Dooku in this video. He really isn't given enough credit for making Dooku as badass and elegant as he is. Rest in Peace the absolute legend.

[@MandatoryFruit]

@GOLDBOND vs BALLS Geez, chill the fuck out bro. Compared to Ian Mcdiarmid, Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson etc. I rarely hear people praise Christopher Lee for his role in the prequels. That doesn't mean he doesn't receive praise. Who put your balls in some vice grips?

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

Heard that apparently Dooku was initially meant to beg for his life but Lee objected too it saying. It didn’t make sense for his character. Which I like since it makes Dooku realized he was nothing but a palm to Palpatine. Where if he was begging not to die comes across as a sore loser

[@nathanmartin8875]

Yes, it does help my ego...

[@williamdavies7457]

@@MandatoryFruit you calm down jeeze

[@lewiskazinsky7334]

@@JohnWilliams-wl9px Lee also replaced Qui-Gon with ‘Peter’ in his script, so that when he rehearsed his lines he could channel the grief he was still feeling from losing Peter Cushing. When he says, “I wish he were still alive. I could use his help right now,” he *meant* it.

[@annagomez5530]

I love how Anakin and Obi-Wan are always connected even in their enemies, including Dooku. Maul despised Obi-Wan as his arch-nemesis, the one who crippled him, just like Vader. Dooku respected Obi-Wan as a true Jedi and worthy opponent, the same way Vader viewed Obi-Wan even with his own hatred of him and only he was allowed to defeat him. Grievous saw Obi-Wan as the grand prize, whose defeat will prove to himself how powerful he really is, just like Vader wanting to finally prove that he is the strongest Force user to ever live.

[@Matt_Myers91]

Underrated comment. ❤

[@neilmcdougall4927]

It's comments like these that help unravel the workings of star wars as George has riddled about it's depth in the past

[@nathanmartin8875]

Connected as in Weequay pirates?

[@mineralgrey8332]

Like I said in the comment above, if things would of taken a different turn. Obi Wan would of surpassed both Yoda and Mace in power and sheer skill. Him and Anakin where the Calvary of the Jedi, they could clear a whole battlefield themselves. Dooku had so much admiration and respect for Obi Wan because Obi Wan was trained by Qui Gon, making Obi Wan some sort of a grandchild to Dooku. Since he’s teaching where passed in to Obi Wan by Qui Gon. Anakin saw Obi Wan as he’s father, brother, he everything. Second only To Padme. Even though Anakin is the chosen one, Obi Wan is the only one to Rival him and be his equal, it’s no wonder Vader sees no one but Obi Wan worthy to be the one to defeat him. The only one to give him the battle he craves. Maul is what Joker is to Batman, Obi Wan humiliated him practically countless times. When it comes to Grevious, it’s like Kakashi Hatake when he died in Naruto Shippuden. Everyone was in shock and almost dropped in dispair when Kakashi was killed by Pain. It was a huge blow to the moral and a huge blow to their hopeful outlook in battle: Kakashi was practically a one man army, to be taken out cause a massive shake in the psychosis not only in the mind of every Leaf Shinobi, but also Lady Stunade and Naruto himself. The same can be said with Grevious wanting Obi Wans head, he knew that killing Obi Wan would be a massive blow to the Jedi, especially to Anakin, hell Anakin would probably succumb to depression if Grevious ever managed to kill Obi Wan, the blow would definately affect all of the Jedi as a whole We forget how pivotal Obi Wan was and is during the clone wars and rise of the sith. Hell even Sidious feared Obi Wan as much as he did with Dooku.

[@chancecole437]

I have to say, it’s so refreshing to just listen to a fan who unironically enjoys the prequels. There’s too much negativity out there and it’s fun to just listen to someone enjoy stuff.

[@artsman412]

Agreed. They're flawed, for sure, and I have my own issues with them, but I do think they're WAY overly hated. Personally, I never had that much of a problem with them.

[@danmenard6917]

@@artsman412 Since the Sequel trilogy came out, people's distaste for the prequels have cooled, it seems. I'd always been a fan of Star Wars my whole life, I love the prequels as much as the original trilogy, hell, I even can see the merits in the sequel trilogy too, but then trying to explain my views just gets me shouted down by everyone. I've given up on trying to help others turn their thinking around regarding the sequels. Its like back in the days when everyone hated the prequels.

[@treytonjohnson1]

People like the prequels now, but holy shit is there so much sequel hate. Every single Star Wars comment section is full of toxicity, even when it’s totally unrelated or uncalled for.

[@Erolsaurus]

@@treytonjohnson1 Indeed

[@danmenard6917]

@@treytonjohnson1 Agreed. Are they flawed? Sure, but that's because they swapped directors and tone halfway through. Are they bad though? Not really. As I said before, each film has its merits.

[@Megatron_95]

Oh Dooku, George Lucas definitely didn't use you enough in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith

[@Megatron_95]

@Tom Ffrench good point. But I still prefer him over Maul.

[@sharpspoon7371]

Can we just set for the record how unnecessary Episode 1 was outside of Maul?

[@finrodbrs]

Fortunately, Clone Wars did.

[@Сайтамен]

Watch deleted scenes, they are quite interesting.

[@richardbean1707]

@@sharpspoon7371 Eh, I appreciated Qui Gon too lol

[@WTZWBlaze]

“In a manner of speaking?” More like “from a certain point of view.”

[@bigshow771]

THANK YOU! Such a missed opportunity.

[@alexbg9658]

I just commented the exact same thing 😂 glad it wasn't just me.

[@bigshow771]

@@alexbg9658 I started to throw in a "So uncivilized.", but managed to resist .

[@td644]

I was about to comment the same thing when I saw this.

[@smokeydabear4525]

You are correct, from a certain point of view.

[@B---tw3kh]

These villains also represent what made Vader behind the scenes. Maul is played by martial artist Ray Park, an almost entirely physical portrayal that was later overdubbed. Maul wouldn't be anything like himself without the contributions of Park, who with little dialogue had to create a complete character that walks and moves and acts like the ultimate badass, just like David Prowse. Dooku is played by the well spoken veteran actor Sir Christopher Lee. Due to Lee's age, Dooku is a very vocal character, he is reserved, calm and often speaking during his fight sequences. His stature is almost completely verbal instead of relying physicality, just like James Earl Jones contributions to the character of Darth Vader. Then you have Grevious, the completely artificial, CGI character. Grievous is the least human of them all, his body being artificial in the world of the film as well as the real world. He is the suit that defines Vaders look, but he's also the final contribution to the character, Ben Burtt. Burtt used technology to give us Vaders most iconic sound, using a scuba mask and a tape machine to produce the sound of Vaders breathing

[@josephpenarrieta9619]

This comment deserves to be on top

[@Dave_Chrome]

This is genius

[@RenegadeShepard69]

fantastically put.

[@justin188541]

Well said, sir.

[@jonreylen3166]

Quoting another legendary character, you're god**** right.

[@vortexflash4944]

“A milk machine like General Kenobi.” Never heard this description before, but it is SOO accurate. 😂😂

[@projectbighead1278]

I would let general kenobi milk me

[@chancebrown106]

I had to play it back!

[@themaccave08]

Funny how Darth Maul, General Grievous and Darth Vader wanted revenge against them and Vader beat the other two to killing him. Though inadvertently connecting him to the force.

[@danmenard6917]

@@themaccave08 Granted, Obi-Wan LET Vader kill him deliberately. Obi-Wan could theoretically still kick Vader's ass any time he wanted to as a Force Ghost and Vader'd not be able to do anything about it.

[@themaccave08]

@@danmenard6917 not unless I die.

[@poslednisoud]

George Lucas: *creates paralels between three villains to create the ultimate one* Disney: I don't know. Ressurect Palpatine or something.

[@skywalker2676]

🤣🤣🤣

[@alphariusfuze8089]

*Dew it*

[@ltb1345]

“Have Han Solo’s son wear an outfit that looks very similar to Vader, the toys will sell like crazy!”

[@zacharygrosser4115]

OOOF

[@InitialPC]

@GOLDBOND vs BALLS In the books palpatine was brought back but it was a contained incident and was not a pivotal event in the EU unlike in the sequels

[@dylanlewis5113]

I like to think Grievous's backstory change isn't a retcon. During his reconstruction, his memories where altered to make him think he chose to willingly become a cyborg.

[@Scary_Snail129]

Ooo I like that. That saves his canon story.

[@pricex3]

idk i dont remember honestly

[@tracytron7162]

For me personally I think he grew to appreciate the changes and became somewhat obsessed with upgrading himself, as well as somewhat gaslighting himself into thinking it was his idea as a way of perhaps retaining some pride

[@yeolelad888]

@@tracytron7162 I prefer this idea more then “Oh he got brainwashed”

[@heyheyitsjae2475]

I'd love it was something like the crash ended up turning him into a 60% machine by necessity, but as time went on he added an extra 20-30% by choice 'cause he liked the first upgrade so much

[@k.edfrothy8745]

Something he didn’t mention, but has always stuck out to me, is the fact that Dooku didn’t reveal Palpatine’s secret despite the fact that he knew he was about die.

[@FullFatVideos]

Was he too honourable - or too scared?

[@sks.56]

@@FullFatVideos there is a theory that sidious was keeping dooku's mouth shut with the force before he was decapitated

[@astra8308]

@@sks.56 I believe the canon explanation is that Dooku thought it was all part of the plan up until he got his head cut off

[@Cryptokeeper0421]

Nah he was originally supposed to, but they edited it out

[@tweso1499]

“Dooku, cringing, shrinking with dread, still finds some hope in his heart that he is wrong, that Palpatine has not betrayed him, that this has all been proceeding according to plan- Until he hears “Good, Anakin! Good! I knew you could do it!” and registers this is Palpatine’s voice and feels within the darkest depths of all he is the approach of the words that are to come next. “Kill him,” Palpatine says. “Kill him now.” In Skywalker’s eyes he sees only flames. “Chancellor, please!” he gasps, desperate and helpless, his aristocratic demeanor invisible, his courage only a bitter memory. He is reduced to begging for his life, as so many of his victims have. “Please, you promised me immunity! We had a deal! Help me!” And his begging gains him a share of mercy equal to that which he has dispensed. “A deal only if you released me,” Palpatine replies, cold as intergalactic space. “Not if you used me as bait to kill my friends.” And he knows, then, that all has indeed been going according to plan. Sidious’s plan, not his own. This had been a Jedi trap indeed, but Jedi were not the quarry. They were the bait.” - The Dark Lord Trilogy: Star Wars Legends: Labyrinth of Evil Revenge of the Sith Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader (Star Wars - Legends) by James Luceno, Matthew Stover a.co/h6zHlZK

[@sjeason]

I think grevious has more of a connection to Vader then just being a machine. In his backstory, he was a great general and war hero of the Kaleesh people that lead their armies through what seemed like impossible victories. It was thought he had the favor of the gods, like how anakin was the chosen one. Grevious had a lover who was killed in war which he spent the rest of his time grieving, not unlike Vader and padme. And when everything was taken away from him, he was convinced by dooku that it was entirely the Jedi’s fault even though the whole thing was dooku’s plan, which mirrors palpatine getting Vader to blame all his suffering on the Jedi despite it all truly being Palpatines fault.

[@trevturp6891]

Part of Grevious's tragic backstory is the Jedi's fault.

[@Yukzula]

@@trevturp6891 the same could be said for anakin

[@trevturp6891]

@@Yukzula I know

[@nont18411]

@@trevturp6891 so that came the name “Grievous”

[@seamuswalker6879]

Me; doing homework Full Fat videos; the three faces of Darth Vader Me; the negotiations were short

[@SupremeLeaderOfTheBluepremacy]

The homework: YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

[@nabongobong9155]

Cant believe the prequel memes are still relevant lol

[@wingedbluj1674]

@@nabongobong9155 a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@eightnickel1513]

23 minutes are short?

[@gizzywoo2709]

@@eightnickel1513 he said negotiations not the video

[@TheMan-vn3tp]

one connection you missed between grievous and vader was how the loss of his wife motivates just about everything he does.

[@Scary_Snail129]

yeah

[@barnousauresrex2662]

Oh I forgot about that

[@StupidWeb]

The novelization for episode 3 has some incredibly insightful moments. When it comes to the high ground, when Obi-Wan said "it's over," Anakin thought about all the times he'd heard the story of Obi-Wan defeating Maul, despite the high ground, and Obi-Wan recognised it. That's why he said "don't try it," And also when it comes to Dooku vs Skywalker round 2, in the book, Palpatine told Dooku to toy with Anakin, to see if he would even be worthy to take on as an apprentice

[@thewarner2139]

Novelization is no longer canon. The current lore still has Anakin attempting to defeat Obi-Wan the same way the latter bested Maul, but Kenobi had it well scouted. Now, Dooku was not instructed to hold back against Anakin. He was legitimately defeated when Anakin tapped into the dark side.

[@StupidWeb]

@@thewarner2139 ok that's fair. I wasn't fully sure about that, but I still think it's possible that certain aspects of it could be canon. After all, most legends have some truth in them

[@GabyGeorge1996]

@@StupidWeb I believe that, so long as it doesn’t contradict anything in canon, it’s still applicable

[@StupidWeb]

@@GabyGeorge1996 exactly

[@MeloeTheLavendeer]

or it was just obiwan being tactical mlg god 1 million and doing the classic hegity weg you have no mor leg

[@karanhdream]

I loved Maul's last words and the irony in them. Luke's motivation was never revenge but saving his father. The last one Sidious desired as an apprentice was such a polar opposite to Maul, Dooku and Grievous. He chose to become a Jedi as a young man rather than being taken as a child. He experience loss and pain yet never surrender his moral compass. He looses a limb but never his humanity. The Star Wars universe puts a great emphasis on the notions of both fate and choice. When faced with the same trials as Maul, Dooku and Grievous, Luke makes a different choice even though the parallel style of storytelling would have him only walk the same path, like a cursed fate. Yet even when walking a similar path, he made different choices because there is always a choice. When faced with the same choices as the others before, he made a Bilbo Baggins of himself and chose compassion, courage and mercy. Something Sidious could never understand. The ultimate difference is Luke found something more precious to him than anything Sidious could ever offer. He knew that power cannot give you everything and what he wanted, no amount of power could give him: to save his father. Only love and forgiveness could grant his wish.

[@phyllip5382]

this is why luke is a farmer at his heart, not a jedi; it aint much but it’s honest work

[@jonathonvillajin9488]

“Between fighting Maul, Dooku, and Greivous, Kenobi has been trained to fight Anakin Skywalker his whole life.” Damn... mind blown

[@jonathanskinner7647]

You complain about grievous not being that intimidating, but if his legends/ 2D counterpart showed up, then no one would have made it out of the ship in episode 3 alive

[@Erolsaurus]

He should've been that in the prequels. Hope to see a future book, series or film that makes Grievious his legends self.

[@lucianobattistoniromero4618]

@@Erolsaurus well we never saw Grievous kidnapping Palpatine in canon so you could have a headcanon that most of what happens in clone wars 2003 actually happened

[@bengi8907]

I agree.

[@coolgreenbug7551]

You could have it go both ways, where he is a force to be reckoned with, but if you can actually stand up to him he starts to show his cowardice.

[@Сайтамен]

@@lucianobattistoniromero4618 But it was at the end of the war, when his chest was crashed, while the whole 2008 series he is coughing.

[@julius-stark]

There's a scene in the Vader comics where Boba Fett tells Vader the name of the rebel pilot who blew up the Death Star, and Vader figures out who Luke's mother is, and calls up the Emperor who is like "wow I can feel your anger all the way across the galaxy, what's up?"

[@mljesus7743]

Who would have thought that after the stigma of ‘just being cash-grabs’ the prequels true thematic deepness and epic genius starts to be realised. I know the other SW content undoubtedly expanded on that genius but the groundwork was set down by Lucas. Fantastic video Full-Fat, looking forward to more.

[@emblemblade9245]

They still have a kind of awkward execution in the movies at times but the backstories and thematic appeal provide so many hours of intrigue and entertainment and I’m really glad they exist.

[@darthcjvader100]

In canon, Grievous' hate for the jedi is parallel to Anakin's hate for Tuskin Raiders. Both killed people who meant a lot to them (Anakin's mom and Grievous' friends and family). Grievous' hate for the Huk (opposing species that has tormented his people) is also parallel to Anakin. Anakin wanted to save Padme and Grievous only wanted to save his people. In canon, Grievous also chose the cybernetics because he saw the remaining parts of his body useless.

[@caedengoering]

What’s an additionally intestinal parallel is that Dooku makes both Anakin and Grevious robotic. Then Obi-Wan de-limbs both of them as they combust in fire. Very subtle, maybe even unintentional parallel. But very cool. Great video!

[@legoverse1412]

Something to mention about Grevious: the lightsabers and fighting style is meant to create intimidation and fear to negate a Jedi’s ability to focus on the Force. Obi-Wan was able to defeat him because he didn’t fear Grevious, he knew what he was. Vader certainly knows something about intimidation

[@coolgreenbug7551]

Grevious is the most intimidating, but he's just a cat making himself look bigger than he is Vader then goes on to be 10 times more frightening, and is able to deliver every part of it

[@hunterkiller1440]

The prequel expanded lore is unrivaled and unparalleled genius. The prequel movies were meh. Thank the Force there are good writers who love Star Wars.

[@IvoryTowerPodcast]

@hunterkiller1440 Well, if you have seen the Sequels. You know how far those have fallen. And.......... you know the rest..........

[@tvman250]

“Meh” So it’s treason then?

[@coachgoltzbizpro23]

Thank the Force Clone Wars existed to resurrect it's potential...

[@supergamerboy7899]

Revenge of the sith is amazing

[@tvman250]

@TheSovietOnion l I don’t know, you’ll have to give an example. I feel the dialogue has done its part and generated a fair amount of meme material. In my eyes the dialogue is practically the sacred text itself.

[@xero1048]

I literally never realised how each of the villains represents a part of Vader. I’m gonna enjoy the prequels far more now

[@Consensusmedia]

When people say the prequels suck...show them this...no bad movie is this deep

[@bayholeman9952]

Truuuuu if they were that bad no one would still be talking about them they’d just be largely forgotten

[@Consensusmedia]

@@bayholeman9952 kinda the way the sequels are...too soon? Well I forget about them constantly.

[@casecao8412]

@@Consensusmedia Considering how many comments I see trashing the sequels at every given moment, I'd say they're still fresh in people's minds...

[@tedsowards]

The prequels are more genius than I give them credit for. I think they definitely will last the test of time more than the Disney sequels.

[@vashythewabbit8288]

The problem was the execution, aged CGI, and the bad dialogue. There was so many great things that could be seen in the story from the symbolisms and very subtle foreshadowing.

[@coolgreenbug7551]

@@vashythewabbit8288 While the Sequels are the inverse of this. Everyone on those movies were bringing there A game, except for the script department which for Star Wars was the most important part to nail

[@skywalker2676]

@@vashythewabbit8288 bad dialogue was in every trilogy tho lol 😂 some of that shit in the OT is cringe asf 😭😭🤣but yea George dialogue is awful

[@ltb1345]

@@vashythewabbit8288 The dialogue really wasn’t that bad, especially when compared to that of the “Sequels”. Practical effects also don’t look as life-like as people say they do anymore, especially people wearing alien costumes (see the aliens in the “Sequels”).

[@firetarrasque4667]

@@coolgreenbug7551 Except arguably The Last Jedi, which suffered from this weird problem where the director was able to thematically tap into Star Wars really well, but wasn't able to write the Star Wars Galaxy as a universe, and also had a weak as fuck premise to work off of. Characters tend to lack continuity between it and the previous films, established rules in the universe are broken in frustrating ways, and established pieces of lore are disregarded in favor of clumsier solutions, but at its core, it thematically continues the track that the Prequels and Original Trilogy made. The OT established the Jedi as an unquestioned good, and the Empire as a villain who just needed to be shot to death, the Prequels (tried to) questioned that narrative and disillusioned us with the Jedi Order. Rey, in TLJ, represents the OS, while Luke represents the Prequels, and at the core that's a really compelling conflict that ends in a realization which builds into something great for the conclusion of the series, but then Ryan forgot what universe he was writing for and got distracted with unnecessary side-plots.

[@Jessie_Helms]

It’s because Kenobi is a defensive master, but Dooku’s style is perfectly tailored to counter that.

[@readwrecks]

“In a manner of speaking?!” Don’t you mean “from a certain point of view?”

[@Dagenspear]

Aw man! I posted that! God is funny!

[@corruptangel6793]

There is nothing cowardly about Greivious in ROTS, I don't know where you got that idea from. Escaping a hopeless situation does not make one a coward. Especially since his first escape very nearly kills Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine himself.

[@GreaseGrab]

It sucks how much Grievous’s character gets treated in canon. I’m not saying I wanna op 2003 version I just want a competent intimidating badass who can kill Jedi.

[@bluprint27]

We need a Grievous movie

[@CT--my4lf]

@Mackenzie Bauroth: It should start on Ka'lee, with him being shown as the incredible sniper and great leader his people saw him as. They see him as a demigod, catering to his every whim. Eventually, he would have a dream of a warrior slaying a great beast. He would go to kill it, only to find the warrior from his dream is not him, but a female warrior. The two would slay the beast, and then become lovers. He would eventually go to war with the Huk, as they have desecrated ancient Ka'leesh burial grounds. In time, his lover would suffer a horrific death at the hands of the Huk, causing him to change his name to "Grievous", as it is the only way to express his pain. Afterwards, he would lead a major offense against his enemy, who in their cowardice, run to the Republic and the Jedi. The Republic forces the Ka'leesh back to their home planet, and blockades it, causing mass starvation of innocent Ka'leesh people. Grievous would attempt to have the blockade removed, but to no avail. Eventually, the Huk would once again destroy Ka'leesh burial grounds. Grievous, with the approval of the tribes elders and many of his best warriors, would set out in a rickety rustbucket ship to cease their assault. The ship would unfortunately be sabotaged by a traitor hired by Dooku, causing to explode over the ocean. Dooku would then arrive in the night in a risky bid to capture Grievous' body. Grievous would be held in a bacta tank by Dooku, with the Count giving him a choice: Die dishonorable in a bacta tank and his people will die, or become a cyborg and Dooku's right-hand man, with the blockade being removed, allowing Grievous' people to thrive once again. Grievous would obviously choose the latter. The movie would then move to a live-action, more grounded Battle of Hypori, with Grievous slaughtering clones and his forces closing in. He would then fight three jedi at once, killing them all. Afterwards, he would be approached by Dooku who would scold him and tell him to be less destructive, for Palpatines plan is not yet ready. Grievous would begrudgingly comply. The film would then have Grievous' own voice monologuing over his parts in Episode 3, and only finishes at his own death. The film would then show a small, dark control room dimly lit by glowing green screens. It would then follow a large, cloaked figure arising and walking down many pitch-black halls It stops at a massive room lit by hundreds of bacta tanks, each with an abominable double of Grievous inside. Stolen organs, cybernetics, and control chips make up the "clones", each one requiring manual control from the general himself through a computer. The real Grievous would then exit his base, revealing his new and improved droid army. The time has come for the Ka'leesh to rise. Dooku and Palpatine wanted a monster, and the entire galaxy was given one.

[@ltb1345]

@@GreaseGrab Agreed. 2003 version was ridiculously OP, but I don’t like how he was characterized in The Clone Wars 2008.

[@d3hybrid713]

Im not a huge fan of the series but im a huge fan of greivous and would have to agree

[@commandercaptain4664]

Maul: *spirit* Dooku: *mind* Grievous: *body* Been knowing this since 2005.

[@BlazerK1914]

I really like Grievous from the 2D Clone Wars, being a Badass cyborg who fought many Jedi masters, even struck fear into their hearts. Too bad he’s not like that in Episode 3 and CGI Clone Wars. Despite that, he’s more useful than the Knights of Ren😄

[@Redoren966]

Yeah but he didn't have much personality

[@wallywest4727]

God 2D CW Grievous was a beast, i remember being so hyped as kid when i found out he was going to be in Episode III so yeah i was very very underwhelmed with his scenes in the film.

[@Redoren966]

@@wallywest4727 Yeah but what personality did he have

[@Erolsaurus]

@@Redoren966 Obviously he hates Jedi because he kills them alot.

[@wallywest4727]

@@Redoren966 Did he need one? He's a Jedi hunter who Jedi fear, that's all we need on him. Before the CG Clone Wars gave Maul an insane amount of depth he had little to no personality in E1 yet he was still widely regarded as one of the better things in the prequel Trilogy because of look, presence and actions. Grievous actions in the Clone Wars mini series made him great, he could take on many Jedi with ease yet wasn't OP as Jedi Masters could hold their own with Mace outright one shotting with a force crush. In the film though he's this coughing coward who doesn't stand a chance against Obi-Wan, considering at that point in time many of us have just watched him slay Jedi and move at extreme speed in the 2D Clone Wars it was annoying and jarring to see the film version be almost nothing like that version.

[@johnburgh]

I think this works most on a personality level, Maul being hate and anger, Dooku being arrogance and the feeling of superiority and grievous being the lust for destruction. But an interesting idea, never thought if that

[@VNM-Venom252]

If we look at Grievous’s origins in canon it kinda makes him and Anakin a bit similar. Basically Grievous wanted to become a Jedi and was denied because he wasn’t force sensitive enough. This really bruised Grievous’s ego and led him down the path of becoming the cyborg jedi killer we all know of. Now let’s look at Anakin, one of his biggest flaws was his arrogance and when he got denied the master rank by the Jedi council it bruised his ego and helped push him down the path of becoming Vader.

[@vngelicath1580]

To be fair, it wasn’t primarily his bruised ego (although that didn’t help…) He wanted the rank of Jedi master so that he could get into the restricted section of the archives to find a way to save Padmé - at the end of it all, he chose the way of the Sith because at least they promised him a way to save her where the Jedi denied him that knowledge.

[@elliotkouame3849]

@@vngelicath1580 I believe that the "secret Jedi knowledge" motivation for Anakin is from the Revenge of the Sith novelisation, which is non-canon.

[@VNM-Venom252]

@@vngelicath1580 I think in canon it was just his bruised ego.

[@VNM-Venom252]

Which is something I’m not against. It adds something to Anakin, yeah his story is tragic but he still had some flaws that he could have worked on.

[@Avenger85438]

That's a thing a lot of Anakin defenders forget. He had loads of personal flaws and refused to address them. A desire for power and authority, to force people to act the way he thought was right. Insecurity, and possessiveness over his loved ones. A lack of dedication to Jedi work ethics. And a highly aggressive disposition. It's these things and his own desperation that made him turn. Not the Jedi, they where his and Sidious' victims. Also I don't think the Jedi are bothered about how strong one is or isn't with the force. Just their character. So I don't know if that book is accurate. Some authors tended to go overboard with their personal interpretations, rather then maintaining consistent character depictions. Cough! Karen Traviss sucks. Cough!

[@wegwerfacc2667]

"There can only two, a master and his apprentice." The master will be killed by the apprentice, to establish himself. Sidious circumvented this, by choosing a new apprentice every 10 years. Maul, Dooku, Grievous, Vader. Only that Starkiller failed, as did Luke, allowing Vader to kill Sidious therefor fulfilling the prophecy. As Vader was the last Sith alive at the time, he ended both Jedi and Sith, then and there.

[@ouroboros5793]

Greivious wasn't trained by Sidious, not a Sith and was around since at least The Battle of Geonosis. He was only trained with lightsabers by Dooku to kill Jedi and had no force potential, relying strictly on fear, his mechanical body, and above average fighting prowess, but primarily fear. I'm also fairly certain Dooku left the Jedi shortly before or after Jinn's death; Palpatine showed Dooku a hologram of Jinn's death to Maul...in a twisted way to coerce him to the dark side. Starkiller and TFU was never canon to the series either, just saying

[@thefourthfrank8814]

The concept of Greivious slowly replacing himself with machine, can still connect to Vader by reflecting how Anikin slowly desired more and more power

[@phineaskelly6171]

Last time I was this early, Obi-Wan had the low ground.

[@Erolsaurus]

So 32 BBY?

[@Breezyz]

Those faces no longer have any meaning for me.

[@elishawilson1429]

They are the faces of your true self you've only forgotten

[@Erolsaurus]

All around me are familiar faces, Worn out places, worn out faces, Bright and early for the daily races, Going nowhere, going nowhere, Hide my head I wanna drown my sorrow, No tomorrow, no tomorrow

[@dynamicduck8803]

I feel that, in a way, Aniken's loss of his best friend Obi Wan made him fall further into the dark side. Not when be killed him, but when they became enemies.

[@dylanlewis5113]

Disney changed the canon so that Dooku had already left the Order before Qui-Gon died. Heck, Dooku was even interested in the Dark Side back when Qui-Gon was his Padawan. He even used Force Lightning to save Qui-Gon. Source: Master and Apprentice by Claudia Grey. Not sure which version of Dooku's fall I prefer. Both are interesting.

[@rcbmmines4579]

I always did have a similar idea idea that the three villains were essentially prototypes for Sidious' ultimate apprentice and pawn. Vader's predecessors being heightened aspects of himself. Maul the fiery and savage monster, Dooku the cold and sophisticated fallen Jedi and Grievous, the machine. Interesting choices by Lucas.

[@evancreagh4663]

I have exams that go towards my Leaving Cert in 3 days but this is more important

[@lizardlegend42]

Nice to find another Irish person here, I'll be in your position next year

[@evancreagh4663]

@@lizardlegend42 forgot that the rest of the world probably dont know what Leaving Certs are...

[@lizardlegend42]

@@evancreagh4663 translation for everyone else: Leaving Cert is a synonym of hell

[@Felix-sb5wp]

Good luck you guys

[@buffoonustroglodytus4688]

The fuck is cert

[@magus1017]

Take notes boys and girls, this is prime content.

[@wsteelix1922]

Wow, I never thought all four were connected in such a way. Thank you for opening my mind to this idea.

[@GlobalOutcast]

Virgin canon Grievous vs The chad 03 clone wars grevaious

[@mineturtleanimations2988]

Canon Grievous is actually a lot more of an interesting character and not just a Darth Vader clone. Don’t get me wrong I love Grevious 2003 but Canon Grievous is still badass

[@quickbinger1058]

@@mineturtleanimations2988 Stop lying to yourself. I guess he is kinda cool in battlefront 2 if you know how to use him and in the books but he still sucks. He is supposed to be a jedi killer but the only (onscreen) jedi he killed was a recently promoted padawan who only just became a knight. I know he killed captain tarpals as well but he is a gungan soooooo yeah. He also got his butt kickd by sid gungans so he may be interesting but he still sucks. Except from the legends books and cartoon. That is the real grievous.

[@GlobalOutcast]

@@mineturtleanimations2988 bruh he isnt interesting at all he is literally a giant coward who only fights when he has the clear and obvious advantage or if he absolutely had to. Meanwhile the chad 03 Grievous makes his arms stop fireing so he could go in and personally murder each jedi

[@sarahbelle81]

@@GlobalOutcast Canon grievous is 10x more entertaining and unique than 2003 grievous' boring ass generic mustache twirling villain voice. The fact that y'all value pure strength over how interesting a character actually is ridiculous. Pretty shallow, even. I bet if the 2003 clones were super overpowered dark trooper tier characters, you'd say the same shit, even if the 2008 clones had actual character aside from being killing machines.

[@GlobalOutcast]

@@sarahbelle81 im sorry dude but you so clearly dont know what you are talking about, trying to seriously compare clone wars to The clone wars is not only stupid but doesn't make sense. One is a 7 season series with 20+ minute eps that went on for years. The other was a mini series where all eps but the last season were only 3 minutes long, and the third seasons eps where only 12 mins and only ran after the release eps2 and ended before release 3. Trying to hold them to the same standard is simply silly and an incorrect approach

[@imnotinsanebisquit]

"It's like poetry, they rhyme" - George Lucas

[@markparkinson6947]

This is a fantastic interpretation of the three villains of the prequels! I thank you for your broadcasting of this perspective, and the people on Reddit you referenced for coming up with the idea!

[@TylerLawlawsy02]

I adore Full Fat’s intros. They are amazing.

[@popsjr]

"Grievous has little real skill" Yes unfortunately that is canon grievous. But... My friend... Have you ever heard the tragity of 2003 general grievous? It's not a story canon would tell you...

[@howdypardner9629]

Canon grevious makes me sad

[@FullFatVideos]

yep! check my video on the clone wars 2003, it has the grievous fight! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4e3hpejlNN3nNU

[@popsjr]

@@FullFatVideos Okay every day I'm finding more and more reasons to love the channel. You, have earned a sub. Thank you!

[@kennethsatria6607]

Christopher Lee giving advice on what its like being stabbed. That man is metal incarnate.

[@willinthegamezone4464]

This is just a masterpiece, no other way to describe this video

[@JasonAFlintham]

Maul - The Past - Born into a life a servitude and groomed for a single purpose, but armed with the unshakable belief he is meant for greater things. Dooku - The Present - Disillusioned with the Jedi Order and frustrated with the Republic, eager to enforce a new, better order on the Galaxy. Grievous - The Future - A twisted carcass. A shadow of the great warrior he once was. More machine than man.

[@aarushlal3702]

This is simply the best analysis I’ve seen, great job 👏

[@AaronDarkus]

Awesome analysis, specially when combining it with Samuel's music. Towards the "contradiction" between EP III and TCW about Grievous cybernetics, this could be easily reconciliated by saying that, although Grievous was not exactly awake after the accident the CIS provoked on him, he eventually came to just accept and like his cybernetics. We have to remind that even if he had to receive the cybernetics in any form or way, one can just change opinions at any time. Another explanation was that he just told that as masquerade to hide the truth, a truth he didn't wanted to accept or tell to anyone.

[@Hei_Darkfire]

Fun fact. In the Dark Lord novel that takes place right after Episode 3 where Vader is revealed to the people, he gets compared to a black colored version of General Grievous. They were not subtle about the fact that Grievous was basically the predecessor for Vader.

[@josephbedolla1622]

This is such a cool detail, but I think the mistake Lucas made was not having Anakin interact with all of them aside from Dooku. With Obi-Wan interacting with Grievous and Maul, I think it really takes away from the effect of Anakin's turn to the Darkside. Take the OT for example, with each movie Luke's journey is changed by his interactions with the prequels characters. Obi-Wan in an NH, Yoda in ESB, and the Anakin/Darth Vader in ROTJ. All these characters were essential to Luke's journey of becoming a Jedi. Imagine how cool it would have been to see a Dark contrast to it in the prequels with instead Anakin's journey to the Darkside is not guided by the interactions with the heroes, but with his interactions with the villains. In each movie, he would basically be facing off against an aspect of his future dark persona. He would face off against maul in PM, Grievous in AOTC, and Dooku in ROTS. I think it would have been much cooler than we ended up getting, but hey that's just me.

[@josesosa3337]

Yep. Other people pointed this out but looking at these characters.... Maul= anger, Dooku=duty to the sith, fallen jedi, greviuos=cyborg that hunts jedi. These villians say something about Anakin. It sucks that anikin didn't get much time with these villains or at least have the prequels focus one villain to work for palpatine. Maul is a good example. He has anger, he is the main antagonsit of episode 1, he gets robot legs that reflect anakins mechanical nature as a jedi and the sith. Even maul's rivalry with obiwan sort of mirrors obiwans relationship with Vader. Both were defeated by obiwan and both use the darkside to keep going.

[@skywalker2676]

I totally agree. I think a maul vs anakin fight is the biggest robbery in Star Wars history same wit anakin vs grievous but I think palpatine made it so grievous and anakin wouldn’t face eachother

[@rayvonvelez3129]

I disagree. I do agree anakin should have interacted with them but I don't believe he needed too

[@bengi8907]

I find that you’re focusing on movie and 2008 Grevious instead of the 2003 Grevious which resembles more Darth Vader. He is more fearsome in there compared to the other two. I find Genndy understood what Grevious is supposed to be where as George ended up contradicting himself on what he said vs what he showed on screen Other than that this is a great and well analyzed video of Darth Vader. I always enjoy your Star Wars videos. Keep up the good work. .

[@samuelm6051]

can we also just realise that grievous kinda spoiled order 66 when he said "army or not, you must realise that you are doomed"

[@calebpetersen8158]

It’s crazy that a random KZbinr can make a piece of Star Wars media that’s more interesting and respectful than the sequel trilogy. You earned my like and subscription good sir. May the force be with you.

[@elliotkouame3849]

There shouldn't be any confusion about Greivous' origins. The Clone Wars version is canon, it's the one George Lucas envisioned. The other is from the non-canon Legends continuity. Elements may be canonised in the future, but for now...

[@TankHunter678]

I think both fit together actually. It would make sense that after the accident and becoming a cyborg that Grevious would seek to improve what he has.

[@elliotkouame3849]

@@TankHunter678 mental gymnastics can indeed be done to reconcile the two. But that doesn’t change what the canon is.

[@ltb1345]

@@TankHunter678 This.

[@ltb1345]

@@elliotkouame3849 Nope, at the time those episodes of TCW were made, Legends was canon.

[@elliotkouame3849]

@@ltb1345 no it wasn’t. If it had been, Lucas wouldn’t have been able to override it. Lucas even describes the EU as “not his story”, as existing in some other universe to his canon. This makes TCW (and the entire official continuity) canon and the EU not so.

[@babysinclairfan]

I would actually argue that Jango could also tie into this. In the video games and comics that were released around the time of Episode 2, we learn that Jango was a former slave who never got over his past. Sound familiar?

[@mediumvillain]

Only tangentially related, but I love how Filoni refurbished Maul, who was more of an idea in TPM than a fully realized character, made him a little more complicated, and gave him a full story with (another) memorable end.

[@marcellocaminhafilho]

I always thought about the prequels's villains like this, as different aspects of Vader's personality on the first trilogy. Great video!

[@bangeranginretroman3064]

The only issue i can find is that Anakin never faced Grievous, that was Obi-Wan's struggle

[@2QAYL1138]

Anakin never faced Maul either. Palpatine's underlings were Obi-Wan's struggle, you're right, including Anakin himself. Everyone previous was foreshadowing Anakin's turn.

[@bangeranginretroman3064]

@@2QAYL1138 gotcha. That makes a lot of sense, well put.

[@vashythewabbit8288]

@@2QAYL1138 and how Full Fat connects it as Obi Wan being prepared to face Vader, he just never noticed it.

[@danielfostersdrawing4172]

I do also feel as though thematically, obi-wan destroys grievous and creates Vader in the same movie.

[@danmenard6917]

Fairly sure Anakin's fought Grievous a couple times in the Clone Wars tv series. Obi-Wan, Anakin and Dooku have clashed multiple times during the 3 years of the war, as did Grievous.

[@redrider9001]

Great points! I hadn’t considered it before, but Vader does seem to comprise the 3 villains he faced as a Padawan/Jedi. He is the sum of their parts in a very real way.

[@andriarno9431]

I’d love to see you compare Rey, Kylo, Finn, and Poe to Jaina, Jacen, Tenel Ka, and Ben in your star wars videos following the lightsaber dissections!

[@fightingdreamer123]

Heres a summary: one set of characters has depth and development. The other set is full of BS 1d characters who can only yell one word and are absolutley useless. In ep 9 Ret is apparently noe a better pilot than Poe. Por is uesless. Finn can only yell REYYYYY. Rey has no goal, she wANTEd to find her parents then steals another families name (so now all the skywalkers are dead and a palpatine who pretends to be a sk ury walker is the only one left), meanwhile Ben is doing whatever the fuck he wants by seitching more often than a pancake for no reason

[@andriarno9431]

@@fightingdreamer123 i mean you’re not wrong 😂 but there’s some parallels to pull out. Jacen kills his auntie, Luke’s wife, to become a full sith in the eyes of Lumiya while Kylo kills his dad. Kylo and Rey share a link while Jaina and Jacen are twins. They’re easy to pull out. Ben Skywalker was sorely missing from the sequels too!

[@332672jordan1]

Dude just don’t even mention that garbage

[@Fullmetalcowboi]

@@fightingdreamer123 good job it took me 7 comments to find someone making fun of the sequels

[@ltb1345]

@@Fullmetalcowboi He’s not wrong though.

[@fyreantz2555]

Those capes are indeed sweet AF. Hopefully they'll be in fashion again some day...

[@Vespyr_]

_Something's happened to me..._ _I am not the Jedi I should be._ _I want _*_more._* // Hayden, criminally underrated.

[@Gigas0101]

Glad enough people got you to stop snarking on Dooku's lightsaber.

[@8114梦见]

Great video essay, but also just really smooth editing. Enjoyed it thoroughly :)

[@holygramatha4978]

The three faces of Anakin: Luke: The Skywalker being groomed as a jedi. A man who is patient and understanding and who tries to see the light in people. Han: The redeemed man. Started a smuggler, but ultimately became selfless and did the right thing Leia: The strong general of an army fighting for democracy. She strongly believes on freedom and genorosity.

[@Koshak87]

So elegant, eloquent and poetic.

[@FullFatVideos]

Thank you!!!

[@neon6944]

A big part of Grievous’ enhancements involved non-consensual mind altering so what he said isn’t a contradiction. He really believes what he is saying.

[@TRISTENGK]

Man your videos are so well made and it’s so nice that you actually enjoy the prequels

[@FullFatVideos]

I appreciate that!

[@robtymec2045]

I must echo the sentiment of the last comment. So nice to see the prequels taken seriously and given such a thorough dissection.

[@Flop_Studios]

I just watched a video about the original 2003 clone wars and how much better Grievous was represented there. While you were correct in identifying his willingness to run away very quickly, I prefer the sheer might of the original Grievous. He was a force to be reckoned with and truly lived up to the legends of a might Jedi killer.

[@MeloeTheLavendeer]

haha breath = no

[@cookiemonster749]

This entire video is an absolutely genius insight into the brilliance that is Star Wars.

[@angeb2756]

God the editing is just 🤌 chef's kiss

[@asooakeel]

This is one of the reasons I'm very satisfied with the prequels having a different villain each film while Palpatine was the man behind the curtain the whole time. However I want to point out that Anakin and Maul aren't exactly in the same position when it comes to joining the Jedi and the Sith. You can't just walk away from being a Sith, you'd get killed. But you have the freedom to leave the Jedi Order whenever you want, no one can force you to stay or punish you for leaving. So while Maul (and Vader eventually) was a slave to the Sith, Anakin was never a slave to the Jedi

[@VNM-Venom252]

He wasn’t really a slave but as we see with Ahsoka’s departure the Jedi don’t really support their members once they leave and those Jedi from what we can tell don’t really have the skills they need to find a job or anything like that.

[@asooakeel]

@@VNM-Venom252 I always assumed Ahsoka was given some credits when she left, but tbh that's just my assumption. Anyway even if the Order doesn't do anything to support those who leave, after Attack of the Clones, Anakin was married to a very rich woman, and he was a very good mechanic and an excellent pilot. If there was a Jedi that could leave the Order without suffering financial consequences, it would be Anakin

[@VNM-Venom252]

@@asooakeel ok yeah I hadn’t thought of that

[@terminatoriustesla9900]

I am sad that grievous got nerfed so Hard

[@bigben6564]

I liked the idea you brought up about Obi Wan seeming to struggle with Dooku in a way he didn't with the other Sith and Grievous. I think you could have expanded more on why this is, and could have tied this into how Obi Wan knows how to use the hubris and recklessness of his opponent against them. Dooku, though, was a master of self-control, with no real vulnerabilities in his offense or defense to be exploited.

[@noelrahlis7169]

both Vader and Dooku have a metal chain around their necks keeping their capes up

[@Extricate1278]

I can't shake the feeling that "The Chosen One" assimilates or copy's the powers of those around him at his will. This video is an exact explanation of this and could also explain how he became a force ghost.

[@KaminoKatie]

More like adapting their skills

[@choueriito2548]

Another piece of evidence that could've been added for the Dooku-Vader connection is the AotC commentary. During the scene in which Anakin says he'll someday become the most powerful Jedi ever after killing not just the men, but the women and the children too, George Lucas explicitly says this is meant to mirror Dooku's later boast that he has achieved a power beyond any Jedi.

[@Megatron_95]

Well yeah. Grievous was a coward in Revenge of the Sith unlike his 2003 counterpart who is a true badass

[@corruptangel6793]

He really wasn't. Both times Grievious flees is when he has no chance of victory, it is a very logical decision to live and fight another day. In the Invisible Hand, Grievious knew about Dooku's plan to lure Anakin and Obi-Wan and kill them, but when Anakin and Obi-Wan are captured they've freed Palpatine and Dooku is nowhere to be found. Then Grievous sees them casualy escape their bonds and wipe out Grievous's forces and surround him. It's obvious that escape was his only option. Yet he didn't escape while waving his fist and shouting "I'll get you next time!" He uses an escape pod and jetesons the rest, trapping the heroes and Palpatine on a doomed vessel that would have been destroyed, killing everyone on board, had Anakin not been there or been such a prodigious pilot. It's logical and shows Greivous as being a cunning individual who can seemingly effortlessly turn a hopeless situation into a near victory. Then on Utapou, Greivous flees only when he's got an enemy army at his back and a Jedi who's beating in at his front. Once again, it would be pointless to stay. But when he is finally cornered by Obi-Wan on that hidden landing pad, he, without hesitation, engages in a final life and death battle. Say what you will about what George did with his combat prowess, Greivous was still shown to be cunning, ruthless, and extremely capable. Especially since the movie opens by showing that he was successful in kidnapping the Supreme Chancellor despite Palpatine almost certainly being under the Jedi's gaurd. You can't just walk into the White House and kidnap the President of the United States, especially if the country was in a state of war and had an enemy army at their door. Greivous was clearly shown genuine threat to the Republic and he sure as hell wasn't a coward.

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@corruptangel6793 I'll agree on the Invisible Hand, but not on Utapau. In the ROTS comic book, Legends Grievous made no attempt at escaping Obi Wan despite losing his lightsabers and fought to the death.

[@corruptangel6793]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 well, in the *movie* he'd lost three arms and had the clone army at his back, Kenobi at his front, and just got slammed into a wall losing his last lightsaber. So he understandably tried to escape as it would be suicide to remain. Not sure what the point of your comment was. I don't remember how the comic handled it but if he'd stayed in the movie that would have been stupid

[@ForsakenDreamer7]

@@corruptangel6793 He had two hands left in the movie. Though one would be enough. In the comic, he got the electrostaff from his vehicle and continued to fight Kenobi, slapping the lightsaber out of his hand. Should've done the same in the movie.

[@corruptangel6793]

@@ForsakenDreamer7 I disagree. Even with that option, Obi-Wan just clapped him when he had four lightsabers, what chance would he have with just his electrostaff? Escaping is the more strategically sound plan. Giving up on the entire battle may have been a bit too much, retreating to a command center or ambush point I think would have been better, but maybe he could tell at a glance that his forces were screwed. Whatever the case, his choice was wiser than staying and fighting to an almost certain death You were right about the still having two hands though, my mistake. Though I don't know what you think he could've done with one hand, particularly since a staff is a two-handed weapon. It would be clumsy and awkward to use a staff with one hand.

[@Bmedeiros-youtube]

Maul- the puppet Dooku- the betrayer Grievous- the hunter

[@dirtydeeds4free553]

They did grievous so dirty. The old clone wars gave him room to breathe, to be a truly terrifying force of both mechanical machine power, but also the cunning of a true battle hardened warrior. Never again did any show runner show grievous the respect the character deserved or needed. A coward correct, but a powerful and dangerous coward.

[@Elijah_Elias]

I could see all three of them in him. On one side, he’s one of the most powerful Jedi to ever exist (Dooku), on the other he’s one of the greatest duelists ever (Grevious), and on the last he has a hatred for Obi-Wan Kenobi only ever seen in one other (Darth Maul)

[@ontasbulent5709]

I was right I knew it that this would be the next video

[@alechiavassa]

In Phantom Menace, there's a shot of Maul waiting for Qui Gon walking back and forth and staring at him with anger in his eyes, as he waits for the red doors to open, that same movement and look can be seen in Anakin in the Mustafar scene as he says to Obi Wan "You will not take her from me!"

[@BornotB-xi6kg]

Well this is something I never even considered that makes a striking amount of sense.

[@Cloud-dt6xb]

I love all of the live action movies we've gotten and have defended the Prequels just as much as i do the new triliogy. I think all three are good movies although i do think Phantom menace is still the weakest in the saga it has alot of good things people gloss over. I think the romance between Anakin and Padame is built, decently. When George is actively pushing it it does come off cringey, however when he's just letting the charachters interact and be there for each other I do feel some chemstry between them, enough to make me invested about it in the third movie. Qui-gion was an awesome addition and it's so sad he had to go out with only one movie. Also I think Hayden does great as Anakin he's not angsty all the time like people say he can geunienly have fun and smile too. The clone wars worked to flesh him out a bit more but for me that was just the cherry on top to an already amazing charachter arc.

[@MisterBinks]

star wars is the greatest story ever told and this video does it so much justice.

[@nieveangeletti1271]

I dont hate the prequels, I just hate their presentation. They arent a bad story, and they had so much potential, it's just the shoddy dialogue and stiff acting that really holds them back

[@mr.penguin4614]

while symbolically i agree completely. all of these characters are still so much more complex than just being a face of vader. i mean dooku alone is probably one of the most interesting characters in starwars.

[@Hollywoohorse]

I love this, Dooku is my #1 and I'm so glad to see him twice in a row! Liked and subbed 😁

[@cursedkitchen8752]

Awesome profile picture. Dooku is great

[@denisblack9897]

grievous is my favourite, grievous'es theme is my favourite, seeing his swinging chainsaw move for the first time melted my brain like a jimi hendrix solo or lsd or both he was real scary in a samurai jack-style clone wars cartoon this obsession with grievous explains a lot of my life choices i never ever reflected on that, thanks for the interesting analysis

[@theastroguy7417]

1:26 i noticed in that clip that lukes lightsaber was shaking i like that detail of luke being scared of vader and so naturally, his saber is shaking vader, is calm, ready for anything and we see that in his blade being steadier nice little deatail i noticed

[@CH-wd6qs]

The idea talked about in the maul segment that both systems are somewhat oppressive has always intrigued me. It's almost as if Luke avenges them, not just in destroying Sidious, but also his eventual rejection of the creation of a new order to restart the cycle, which I suppose can also be pointed to as the true reason that he is ultimately the chosen one

[@spectraphantom9374]

It’s been confirmed multiple times that anakin is the chosen one

[@CH-wd6qs]

@@spectraphantom9374 I do not care

[@DovahFett]

@@CH-wd6qs Great counter. I'll put my two cents in by saying that the story of Star Wars as it is told from Episodes 1-6 is far more interesting with Anakin as the chosen one. It's fascinating how he's essentially raised for his role by the Jedi & Sith (in different ways) and never gets to live his own life. This then backfires massively in Episode III when he rejects the Jedi's interpretation of his role and allows himself to become a tool of evil in order to protect the only piece of normalcy he does have, his wife. But in doing so he ironically causes himself to lose everything important to him, and becomes an avatar of pure hatred for around 20 years. He not only rejects his identity by this point, but actively works to destroy it as much as he can, because to him Anakin Skywalker is dead, and was too weak to protect the ones he cared about. He has nothing left to fight for and is little more than a dead man walking among the living. It is only when he meets his son that he finds meaning in life again. He realizes that he still has a thread to what he used to be, and ultimately this connection to his past causes him to rediscover his true self, because as Luke said, he had only forgotten. After disappointing everyone he ever cared for, losing everything that made him feel human, and abandoning his destiny, Vader becomes Anakin once more. In one final act of self-sacrifice he embraces his love for his son and in turn his destiny. He took the path that no one could have ever imagined for him, but he reached the end all the same. Like Qui-Gon said to him on Mortis when he asked about his destiny, Anakin found another way, just not the one anyone expected. Luke is the catalyst but Anakin was and is the chosen one, which is why he destroys Sidious, not Luke, as it was never Luke's destiny to do so. Anakin is a classic Greek hero and a brilliant character.

[@2QAYL1138]

Every young Force-wielding main protagonist is a chosen one. Anakin, Luke, Rey, Ben, Ahsoka, Ezra. Yes, in the prequels, the prophecy referred to Anakin. But at least every generation has a chosen one. It's a story trope that tells the audience who the story revolves around. In the case of Star Wars, the idea of who will defeat the enemy evolves & expands. It begins with one, Anakin, and ends with the galactic citizens fleet. In the end, everyone has it in them to be the chosen one, if only they CHOOSE to accept the call to adventure themselves. It's a message to young people that one's destiny is what they make of it, not what anyone else tells them it is.