ANALYSIS l The extension of the Zimbabwean Exemption Permits

The Home Affairs Minister Aaron Motsoaledi has extended the Zimbabwean Exemption Permits for a further six months.
These permits were due to expire at the end of the year. What's the impact and how will it affect permit holders?
Luke Dzviti is the chairperson of the Zimbabwean Immigration Federation and joins us in conversation.
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[@japrosper7240]

Zimbabweans must register their children in Zimbabwe now so that they start school in January.

[@WNdaba]

Their academic year starts mid year. They will make another excuse next year that their kids cannot break midyear.

[@bintijuda5714]

Most of these zim workers are teachers so what he basically mean how do you stop teachers in June when these teachers are preparing trial exams for kids to write finals October and November?

[@josephnyagona7946]

@@bintijuda5714 🤣

[@josephnyagona7946]

@@WNdaba 🤣

[@WNdaba]

@@bintijuda5714 fake teachers with fraudulent qualifications. Most of them will be terminated soon.

[@koketsok7391]

The entitlement is crazy challenging other governments not your own

[@boomgate4444]

Crazy!! because Mnangagwa is failing his people. Or maybe Zimbabwe would be called south Africa.

[@shamisojohwa1272]

Heeee kunzima xem

[@hopes9451]

It's insane! These people are not okay upstairs!!

[@tabsmoyo]

@@hopes9451 kkkkkkkkk

[@Face426]

Zimbabwe should learn from the past. Let's call back foreigners and white people for investment in Zimbabwe.

[@chrischongwe9546]

No guys um a Zimbabwean also n we need to rebuild our Country together SA is flooded, let's juss be neighbours visiting each other not demanding the citizenship

[@sithgasa2063]

Honestly l might be crazy but l feel angry about the extension of Zep because to me it seems SA has sat down and weighed the benefits of sleeping with the Zanu thieves and added some bonuses from cheap labour from undocumented immigrants with no work benefits and thought we can milk this an extra 6months while the Zimbabwean are contented and therefore most will not go to Zimbabwe and change a regime of our benefits. Our SA neighbor's are looking more and more like Matshonisa who will lure you with more short term debt for all in the disguise of being a reasonable Saviour. Throw them one fish at a time and keep them dependant on you is their motto.

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question !

[@fredrick5696]

Your comment is genuinely

[@aquarius1500]

So all this border control structure was all in vain waist of money now you can go through and from the border Minister I will never forgive you I am still waiting for an answer from home affairs concerning my grandchild

[@fredrick5696]

@@aquarius1500 What happened to your grandchild

[@kingquads6982]

This is insane, so much energy that could be used to make Zim a better country

[@siphiwondlovu599]

Very true....ayi it's sad ....you really regret helping us shame ....forever taking from SA..even taking SA to court more than embarrassing

[@chrischongwe9546]

I agree with you

[@siphiwondlovu599]

@@chrischongwe9546 hayi serious my brother

[@thandekilemusa4599]

ayboo maZim selihlanya

[@Face426]

Zimbabwe should learn from the past. Let's call back foreigners and white people for investment in Zimbabwe.

[@Ndhavuko_nyiko]

This is a pure insult. Why are they not fighting their government. We should not tolerate this nonsense at all.

[@tabsmoyo]

There is a big difference between illegal immigrants and ZEp permit holders but I see you just take us as the same. I wonder where Nyiko comes from, your surname sounds so foreign kkkkkkkk

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question !

[@ephraimchingarande2068]

@@tabsmoyoNyiko Gift is from Gianni Shangani, he must be very careful about what he say because he could be next to dudulared after Zimbabweans

[@panachemountainzeiths]

Is an of these zep permits holders working in your company,do u have one...the success of white people is not in jealous...but a black person's downfall is his black heart...you dont even have a company,or anything yet you are furious hahaha.

[@benjaminmhoya5831]

We should u and who, do you no that thabo mbeki is the cause for this

[@Luckyserobane]

But the hypocrites are arresting Malawians for being in Zimbabwe illegally.

[@blakshatta4093]

They were enroute to SA

[@WNdaba]

ZEP was never a pathway to citizenship no matter how many years you have been living in SA. That clause is very clear on the permit.

[@petermaliko4708]

on wat constitutional clouse

[@petermaliko4708]

Read carefully RSA immigration Act

[@faridaally6184]

Or better still read your permit that you signed and paid for it states clearly you cannot apply for PR from Zep

[@WNdaba]

@@petermaliko4708 ZEP were never constitutional in the first place. There is no clause in the constitution which provides for Zimbabweans

[@SpycosMt]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@velimasuku8808]

Funny part is Zimbabwe still enforces their immigration laws without being second guessed by illegal immigrants

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question !

[@haiwatigere6202]

True that. South Africa owes nobody nothing

[@thabo3866]

The audacity of these Zimbos never ceases to amaze me.

[@tabsmoyo]

Kkkkkkkkkk

[@valentineisraelshabangu4069]

It's Zanu-PF and Anc not the ppl

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question !

[@zodwagumede5700]

I blame our government for this

[@thabo3866]

@@zodwagumede5700 Yup, 100%

[@lebogangmoeketsi1614]

Zambian Kwacha is doing well, now is time for foreigners to flock Zambia please.

[@thabisomukwevho8365]

😂😂😂

[@chileshemulenga8790]

Too late we have plenty south africans here most working on visitors visa, coming as service providers only to end up washing our camp laundry and cooking,they even ofdering cheap labor USD2000 per month whilst their other african brothwrs arw on 3000.xome to ndola and see for yourself worse they cant believe one kwacha give 2 rands on parallel market.

[@lebogangmoeketsi1614]

@@chileshemulenga8790 but 1 things for sure south africans are not flocking your country in large number like Zimbabweans are doing here and they have right papers to be in your country and they respect the laws of your own country. I invite you to come to SA to witness what foreign nationals are doing in SA, unfortunately our corrupt police force take bribes hence south africa decided to stand up to protect the future of South African children. Don't lie south africans who are working to other countries are professionals not cheap labour.

[@Dwaynesk]

@@lebogangmoeketsi1614 man your country is just a Wild West there anyone can come and be recruited into crime in that country

[@Dwaynesk]

@@lebogangmoeketsi1614 what professionals you guys are not that rich if you did not know you should travel more …..most rich people in SA are just white people and most of you are just proud to be around them

[@awelanitry8274]

This is what happens when visitors become too comfortable.

[@anelekopi1958]

True

[@Gatshen]

But this Shona guy, why can't he take his Zimbabwean govt to court for economic and political problems caused by Zanu rather than the SA govt. The lack of patriotism displayed by Zimboz is baffling, shocking, they fight a host govt but won't fix their lizwe labo, with all this zeal if they fight Mngwangwa, he will be out of office. My take is they are Zanu spies destabilising South Africa, shame

[@WNdaba]

They are ZanuPF spies. Bo Rutendo, Simba, that nondindwa who stripped naked at the union building is in the Zim spies payroll. Theh are pushing to add more spies to work in our banks, stealing information, money, spam bots, viruses and asking for ransom on our systems. Zimbabwe is a very dirty country..

[@nathiradebe5601]

@@sibongilemupinda1211 for your own info , he was invited, he never forced himself to USA, people there love him and want him to stay. He did not cross USA boarder illegally, he's has papers. in fact he knows his home is S.A. trust me he won't be buried in USA , his body will lay in the soil of his ancestors. You won't see him hiding South African foreigners in his house. He went there by himself, he didn't take his sister's, aunties, children, or whole family with him is USA , non of his relatives flocked in USA. He also didn't invite his neighbours. Your people cross our boarders illegally in numbers , that's a fact , want to claim S.A , you failed in your country what makes you think you have a say here in S.A. your won't make us rich or poor Fact.

[@nthabisengmasia8988]

the minister never said the removal of the zep holder was to create employment, where is this guy getting his story?

[@siphiwondlovu599]

Ayi...my people, can we for once say thank you and go home please

[@bella357]

Go

[@nomatamsanqasopazi352]

Just work your way home and stop arguing. Take your argument to Zimbabwe

[@richman604]

Instead of fighting for change in Zimbabwe, you are fighting to be a permanent citizen in in other countries.

[@sindim1704]

they don't have pride

[@jameelahabdul9146]

Its allowed. No country is without law. Even in tne UK. They also go to courts. You don't treat human beings like animals. This world does not belong to you.

[@craigdavidson1493]

@@jameelahabdul9146 go back home

[@sonenibeatricemhlongo7953]

@@jameelahabdul9146 but why do they allow the the zim gvt to ill treat them. As we speak human rights are violated, but they r.quiet

[@jameelahabdul9146]

@@craigdavidson1493 unlike you colonizers, I am home. you cant call me Foreigners in my land. Africa no matter where I will be that time. I am home.

[@comrade9374]

The entitlement of this cowards so disgusting

[@wiilowhouse5175]

Your current leaders where once cowards hiding in Zimbabwe

[@kabeloelias7102]

Exactly

[@comrade9374]

@@wiilowhouse5175 yes and went back home unlike Zimbabweans who fight to be permanent

[@maburwanemokoena7117]

How when they have their own country? How about they say they want Zimbabwe to be a province of South Africa once? No they wont cause they do not want us to own anything belonging to them but they want everything belonging to us.

[@christopheroscar6058]

Lazy south african

[@nc2604]

So true and how sad for SA to not put their feet down....ZEP holders knew this day was to come but they decided to make SA their permanent home without authorisation, they possibly thought by buying houses, getting kids to sch etc etc will make them permanent but SA was helping were they needed to as a neighbouring country. Things are really bad in SA and immigration should be their first point of protocol This should also apply to those illegal from overseas countries to and other African countries like Nigeria etc etc In dealing with ZEP, our goverment should also start removing and deporting illegal people in Tshwane, Limpopo and Johannesburg. Areas such as rural areas of Limpopo, Eastern Cape, Mpumalanga etc etc will be fairly easy

[@godfreymzinyane3332]

We want referendum to take ANC out of power.

[@faridaally6184]

👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽

[@foziaa1459]

100%. We've had enough of these thugs.

[@JamesBond-if1ho]

Fascinating how Dr Motsoaledi can overnight turn from hero to villain. That's politics for you.

[@NAJ484]

You would do the same for a 6 figure sms

[@bhekayaka8753]

Did it to himself

[@kingquads6982]

No more extension, NO MORE EXTENSIONS!!!

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

yes just give them an ID , they already gave millions of illegals false ID cards so what is the difference

[@fredrick5696]

Better to deport all the foreigners rather than extend their ZEP

[@musandasikhwivhilu]

If the constitution that we have makes our country to be undermined and seen as a state with no laws, then it THE CONSTITUTION must be cancelled. This constitution did not come about by Parliament so to totally cancel it and start anew does not need parliamentary process. For the start we need the REFERENDUM THAT JUST SAY cancel the present constitution and draft a new one, YES OR NO.

[@faridaally6184]

Yes thats what we should do

[@hopes9451]

True. Even those looming elections are a waste of time since these cowards will still be around to annoy us!

[@aquarius1500]

This ladies of South Africa that have children from foreigners any foreigner must also fock aan with their husbands to their country documents or not now we also need to live and breathe in our own country mxm we never had peace in many years

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question ! We are a blessing to the SA government since 94 who is to blame for the lake of progression in health or housing or employment ........if Zimbos weren't they who would be blamed

[@foziaa1459]

Exactly what we need!

[@nhlakaniphombatha5769]

NONSENSE .MXM. .PEOPLE. MUST GO BACK HOME AND VOTE AND TRY TO FIX THEIR OWN COUNTRY

[@onethombile2228]

True

[@will9751]

This is it what it’s about, salary, income. It’s not about persecution from Zim that you claim! Luke you are on the money

[@Gatshen]

This guy demographic analysis is poor, there is population that remains stagnant. So who is going to build Zimbagwe. The Helen Suzman Foundation should take the Zimbabwe govt to court in South Africa and at the Hague. The minister has the constitutional mandate and not accountable to illegal migrants or refugees, the same people raise the Sovereignty card when questioned about human rights abuse and political chicanery yet they trample upon the Sovereignty of south africa shamelessly. Zimbabweans are an ungrateful lot

[@lwadledle316]

What sort of people,who don't want to go home!!!

[@skhosanamathiyane]

They will earn salary mmm,people who fought during apartheid have nothing ,,goodbye ANC in 2024,,,Gayton Makenzie my brother prepare yourself,you have work to do.

[@tinashemafty3261]

The Apartheid you talk about everyday it seems you don't know the history of SA u guys. Democracy in SA was attained through sister countries. That's y some folks still behave like ama 2000 even bona if they went through history they will get on point

[@ponderthis3496]

South Africa Population 60million South Africa Unemployment rate 35% = 21million ZEP holders 180 Thousand Undocumented foreigners estimates 3million (including babies and old people who can not take up employment) Zimbabwe Population 15million Ponder This: 1. 180 Thousand Zimbabweans are taking jobs from 21million unemployed South Africans 2. 3 million undocumented foreigners are also employed and taking jobs from 21million unemployed South Africans 3. The whole population of Zimbabwe including those undocumented in South Africa is less than unemployed South Africans Conclusion: We would need to take all 15million Zimbabweans (including babies and old people who can not take up employment) to come and work in South Africa for us to say Zimbabweans are the root cause for 21million unemployed South Africans because last time I checked 180 thousand ZEP holders next to 21million is far too insignificant to be the reason for Sans unemployment. Illegal foreigners yes I would understand if the reasoning behind is to enforce immigration laws not to create employment because the numbers are are still less. Something else is at play here and we will know soon enough.

[@phindlilethubane4263]

paja is not applicable here Zep's had expiry dates Y would u want to be accounted for. Y won't u take u own country in Zimbabwe

[@nhleksdlamini8477]

This won't end well, Zimbabwes are forcing their way to a sovereign country finish.

[@trustpiyo8416]

I was raised in SA im in G12 and all of sudden bare go home.. home where? Ive never been in Zim. Kampani ka swela moh 🚶‍♀️ 🚶‍♀️ 🚶‍♀️

[@lindokuhle80]

@@trustpiyo8416 Do you have Zim ID or SA?

[@lesegomatsogo3960]

@@trustpiyo8416 blame your parents for that, they ran away n u doing the same, think of yo next generation

[@craigdavidson1493]

@@trustpiyo8416 go back home you kwerekweres

[@aquarius1500]

Say thank you South Africa and go back home you have education now go and build your Country young lady

[@citizenoftheplanetjr61]

He's talking too much! We don't want to hear it anymore! Start packing so that you can be out of South Africa before June 2023! Your country needs you.

[@lorenzodialaway6342]

Shocking how biased south African journalists are. I'm trying to imagine if that that guy being interviewed was a SA representative, you would have seen how, that lady would have grilled that person, and never would be as gentle as she was with this Zimbabwe guy. I'm not surprised she comes from ENCA. She not objective at all, surely in such instances and as a so called professional, should give a balanced view a South African and Zimbabwe side, this is a one sided affair that puts her selective view at play

[@angelinaangie7528]

Something doesnt add for me ,even SAn journalist or media ,they dnt interview SAns nd those on the ground,if they interview SAns its goin to be those who are the sell outs,nd mostly zimbabweans,i dnt listen ,i jst read comments

[@noxolonginza4603]

That's true ,these Journalist are always against South Africans

[@nataliemartin1232]

This is utter nonsense. Go back to Zimbabwe and fight the government to take care of you as they should. Running to SA is letting these poor leaders off the hook. The government of Zimbabwe should be held accountable for its people.

[@mrhumbamakombe8387]

It's a pity that most of you South Africans lack education and history. Mandela failed to educate you like what Mugabe did to black Zimbabweans after independence. When Shaka went mad & crazy his people marched into Zimbabwe with violence & plunder of Shona livestock, crops & woman. In modern day Zimbabwe they is about 6million of them in a region called Matebeleland & capital city Bulawayo. Ever since apartheid Ndebeles have always crossed the border to SA for jobs, culture stuff & other stuff. These people are the majority Zimbabweans who are in SA. They even live among you including in slumps like Soweto because they speak like you & share similar culture & music. Thats why Nyathi & Ncube who were recently murdered were easy targets & just look at their surnames and tell me if they are Shona surnames or they belong to you specifically Zulus. The Zulu king goes to Zim for ceremonies and crowning new Chiefs because they are his people. So we have more of you in Zim than Shona people in SA. The majority Shonas emigrated to the West like UK, Australia, USA because we are well educated compared to the Ndebeles & we can't speak your language like the Ndebeles. You many even find that many people in Matebeleland have been to Johannesburg not Harare because for them it's like their capital city. So you guys need to get own with reality and get some education. So any sanctions you throw on Zim you will be doing it to your cousins not Shonas. That's why the Zim leadership dont have time or even bother to say anything or engage your leaders because its not affecting the majority Shonas. Let's get real guys. I never comment on these platform but l realised that nobody was saying nothing about the Ndebeles in Matebeleland which sits at the borders with SA & Botswana. Yes that's why many cross to Limpopo for treatment. Get your history & facts right. Deal with your leaders who are corrupt & running everything down from Eskom to SA Airways which are both bankrupt. Now Eskom is fighting to import power from Zambia & Moza. You guys should be gratefully honestly for what Zimbabwe did for you. We were suppose to have land reform done in 1990 as signed in Britain but that was delayed to avoid spoiling the Boers who might have hold on to power. Now that we missed the time & the new leaders in the West refused to recognise the deal & compensation as agreed & you are acting like cowards. During apartheid ANC had offices in Harare which were funded by Zim tax payers money. The offices even got bombed by the boers but we soldiered on with ANC. Be nice guys otherwise we will say a lot. Why are so many of you saying crap now that Mugabe is dead. They are many more who talk much more than him. Viva Africa.

[@technlayman]

@@mrhumbamakombe8387 You are gloating about education as if you know it all. You equally lack education and history. There was no Zimbabwe before the whites came. There was no border and Africans settled anywhere in the continent and yet you are yap yaping about Zimbabwe this Zimbabwe that. You came from Cameroon and found Tongas already in 'Zimbabwe' yet you want to act as if Zimbabwe is solely Shona property and other black people are not entitled to an area of that country using your propaganda filled textbooks that paint Ndebeles as your wealth plunderers which is totally not true. Let me school you. Mzilikazi left with only 500 man from SA. All those people he incorporated into the Ndebele tribe along the way were already living in 'Zimbabwe'. They never came from SA except those 500 men that left SA. Get your facts right. Reading propaganda over and over again doesn't make it true. You are so shameless that you even brag about your people being scattered all over the world. They did not leave because they were educated. They left because of unemployment. There are many African people who are educated but never leave their countries at the rate at which Zimbabweans are leaving theirs.

[@khashanamotaung324]

Why do we even interview this Zimbos?

[@saidi_mo]

I don't understand why truck drivers and domestic workers are even in this conversation. We don't need those skills here, we have enough people that can do that.

[@simonbonganimlombo6974]

There's is a secret here that you don't even want to know..which is the employer............ ..secret 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Face426]

Zimbabwe should learn from the past. Let's call back foreigners and white people for investment in Zimbabwe.

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question !

[@Dwaynesk]

@@Face426 no no no

[@reggieregis3677]

Work ethics go a long way my friend..imagine if you were the employer..what I'm saying is that majority of foreigners are more productive than locals in SA.They respect and value employment.But that's the opposite regarding majority of locals

[@martinvilakazi8727]

This Zim ppl want to stay Permanent in south Africa why they can't leave our country in Peace

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

because they helped you in the struggle , you must be humble and grant them their share , ubuntu you know

[@fananelsonmbambo9040]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 i blame those South Africans who allow kwerekwere in their communities

[@Ndhavuko_nyiko]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 lies Mugabe didn't bother to fight apartheid regime. Many people who were in exile went as far as angola, Congo Zambia etc except Zimbabwe

[@koketsok7391]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 correction the ANC Even when Apartheid was at it peak of violence normal citizens never ran away just activist and MKs SA never flocked in millions to neighboring states

[@mthemburosemary498]

@@travelsouthafrica5048 amasimba lawo force yourself to us no way

[@madodasimelane2397]

Zimbabweans has to work while South Africans are not working,they are claiming that we are lazy.

[@deliwegrace7097]

Is what they think but this time zizokhala

[@christopheroscar6058]

but you are lazy , where were you when zim was taken the job?

[@hopes9451]

@@christopheroscar6058 keep doing your thing as usual. Zimbo. Kana you built this country with the boers when we were lazy and sleeping neh?

[@deliwegrace7097]

@@christopheroscar6058 I think you are lazy tell me your secret why don't you bath I can smell you people faraway sies man there is cheap rollon but you stink in the taxi you can smell is kwerekwere inside the taxi

[@tumizasation]

@@christopheroscar6058 yeah we are lazy, but we are not cowards like you. We dont run away from our problems at home like you. Here in SA we fix our problems.

[@tshepotshepza8866]

😂 😂 ZEP holders feel they're more special than none ZEP holders, the madness runs deep😒🙄.

[@jameelahabdul9146]

What do you want?? You say illegal immigrants, we are legal and you want to take that away and there are so many illegal immigrants in South Africa. Why don't you deal with those that are not legal first. Those with ZEP are just a drop in the ocean. Give us papers and legalize us. As long South Africa is not a desert people will keep coming same with other countries. Don't be selfish legalize the few with papers already. We were 178 000. That was then, how many people died since then? Even if they call out for the renewal of the permits not everyone submits their documents. Remember is not for free.

[@mdralo6361]

Honestly SA must only consider critical skills for work permits. The rest must go home! Our children have degrees and Masters unemployed because of this people who don't want to go to their country. This guy even have guts to push this with the legal action! His reasoning does not make sense! Using houses and children as an excuse is not our problem!

[@trustpiyo8416]

Its not an excuse i was born in SA and im in matric im already stressing... if you were foreign and your child was in this position you would fight too. Just that you are not in our shoes.

[@zeeelove9259]

Forget they will never work after this man all his family will qualify for permits and will take those jobs we need to Dudula period

[@ponderthis3496]

South Africa Population 60million South Africa Unemployment rate 35% = 21million ZEP holders 180 Thousand Undocumented foreigners estimates 3million (including babies and old people who can not take up employment) Zimbabwe Population 15million Ponder This: 1. 180 Thousand Zimbabweans are taking jobs from 21million unemployed South Africans 2. 3 million undocumented foreigners are also employed and taking jobs from 21million unemployed South Africans 3. The whole population of Zimbabwe including those undocumented in South Africa is less than unemployed South Africans Conclusion: We would need to take all 15million Zimbabweans (including babies and old people who can not take up employment) to come and work in South Africa for us to say Zimbabweans are the root cause for 21million unemployed South Africans because last time I checked 180 thousand ZEP holders next to 21million is far too insignificant to be the reason for Sans unemployment. Illegal foreigners yes I would understand if the reasoning behind is to enforce immigration laws not to create employment because the numbers are are still less. Something else is at play here and we will know soon enough.

[@lindokuhle80]

@@trustpiyo8416 we have unemployed graduates you are also not in our shoes

[@lesegomatsogo3960]

@@trustpiyo8416 but you have a home, country n land with vest education ,,why not go home n work on yo land n build a future for your next generation? Why u want to b a foreigner in a country like SA

[@cysandracysandra3102]

Here they go again with the demands🚮

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question !

[@pakisoramatlo5556]

They say they want the minister to extend again and again after June. No plans to go back home at all and the excuses about children at school, this is the time to register their children in Zimbabwe, but no, they want an extension again.

[@All.Gravy96]

Why are we not discussing how to fix Zimbabwe

[@crfollower5719]

Expiry June 23 does not mean you leave then. You can leave anytime to register your child in school .

[@MY6797A]

Zimbabweans have no pride yhoooo. I have never seen such a thing. You even go to courts to fight the government that is not yours. This is why we respect Botswana and not yall

[@MY6797A]

@@mazwideamahle4091 a sad reality

[@TheReintech]

They are actually wide awake. Rather than fighting to bring about change in their country, they prey on the weakness and incompetence of the anc in SA

[@ernestmashilo7728]

SA was gracious to Zimbabwe in a time of crisis and look how they repay that kind act, some break laws, now they are united to try take SA gov to court that they become citizens...I hope we learn and never repeat this mistake

[@nkhumelenimudubu1807]

😂🤣 the hate they have for their home

[@man.g2475]

Why not bring Dr Motswaledi to respond to this guy??. Giving Zimbos platforms without any rebuttal or clarification on this matter by the minnister is unfair!!😤😡😠🤬🤬! This is shameful!! Listen to the level of politeness from Iman which is rarely, if ever, shown to any Sans official when interviewed!!!

[@signorinematoti3365]

Zimbabweans must go to their country. This country is over populated. Go fix things in your country.

[@sellymargeret1948]

We are really over population its rubbish what they doing to S A let me tell you this Banana country is a joke

[@trustpiyo8416]

How is it over populated by 180 thousand people?

[@onethombile2228]

True

[@ponderthis3496]

South Africa Population 60million South Africa Unemployment rate 35% = 21million ZEP holders 180 Thousand Undocumented foreigners estimates 3million (including babies and old people who can not take up employment) Zimbabwe Population 15million Ponder This: 1. 180 Thousand Zimbabweans are taking jobs from 21million unemployed South Africans 2. 3 million undocumented foreigners are also employed and taking jobs from 21million unemployed South Africans 3. The whole population of Zimbabwe including those undocumented in South Africa is less than unemployed South Africans Conclusion: We would need to take all 15million Zimbabweans (including babies and old people who can not take up employment) to come and work in South Africa for us to say Zimbabweans are the root cause for 21million unemployed South Africans because last time I checked 180 thousand ZEP holders next to 21million is far too insignificant to be the reason for Sans unemployment. Illegal foreigners yes I would understand if the reasoning behind is to enforce immigration laws not to create employment because the numbers are are still less. Something else is at play here and we will know soon enough.

[@raymondsebeela1147]

For me the zep holders are not a problem. Our immigration department is, hoe is it that we have 3mill illegal immigrants from 🇿🇼? What is the total number if we mix them with 🇳🇬 🇱🇸 🇲🇿 🇸🇿 🇧🇼 🇿🇲 🇳🇦? Aron Motswaledi and his department have a lot of work to do. ZEP holders are a drop in a ocean

[@ponderthis3496]

South Africa Population 60million South Africa Unemployment rate 35% = 21million ZEP holders 180 Thousand Undocumented foreigners estimates 3million (including babies and old people who can not take up employment) Zimbabwe Population 15million Ponder This: 1. 180 Thousand Zimbabweans are taking jobs from 21million unemployed South Africans 2. 3 million undocumented foreigners are also employed and taking jobs from 21million unemployed South Africans 3. The whole population of Zimbabwe including those undocumented in South Africa is less than unemployed South Africans Conclusion: We would need to take all 15million Zimbabweans (including babies and old people who can not take up employment) to come and work in South Africa for us to say Zimbabweans are the root cause for 21million unemployed South Africans because last time I checked 180 thousand ZEP holders next to 21million is far too insignificant to be the reason for Sans unemployment. Illegal foreigners yes I would understand if the reasoning behind is to enforce immigration laws not to create employment because the numbers are are still less. Something else is at play here and we will know soon enough.

[@rumbidzayitembo2244]

So u see that he should focus more on the illegal immigrants that are in SA despite from which country because the illegal outnumber the legal ZEP holders by 1000 times. So even if He canceles ZEP permit the worst still remains and SA government will have to spend to send illegal Nigerians by flight 😅😅 by Flight (not a truck) back to their country. SA is so fussy about 178000 permit legal holders forgetting the illegal 😂. Tell me how much do u think SA government will use to deport. And if they are catching them and putting in Lindela where will funds for food to feed them come from. Minister is now using wisdom to save funds and try and work out something that will benifit all these countries. If it's unemployment believe me here in SA they don't want to work that is they are very choosy. U can never take a horse to the river and force it to drink it will not. 178000 is not the jobs that SA citizens want to. Come rain come thunder check it in 5years those 178000 jobs will still be vacant.

[@aquarius1500]

Brother our views don't matter we sitting in a corner and Waiting when our turn is gonna come for the better that is why Simba refuses to leave I can't even recognize who is South Africans and who is foreigners anymore

[@windy4049]

Crazy Zimbabweans 🙄 if SA do this for them other Africans will want the same. Can Zimbabweans go fight in their country, fight their government not us. This people are so lame.

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question !

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

We are fighting for SA government to stay in power if we leave who will they blame for non delivery

[@nc2604]

@@elvismanyumwa2930 ...do you mean you are fighting for ANC to stay in power so they carry on doing SA the wrong they have done? We hope most SA Vote against ANC because they have ruined SA and have disrespected all those that fought so hard against apartheid

[@windy4049]

Like I said lame people, lame excuses. Do something about Zimbabwe.

[@thapelokekana4847]

Why are these people fighting and forcing themselves to be South Africans. They are spending too much energy fighting the wrong goverment than their. They must vote their ruling party out in the next election.

[@josephlupiya6626]

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[@joesimba3545]

People are getting worked up over nothing. There is no Zimbabwe Community Group in RSA. We act mainly as individuals, same way people came here. I'm surprised SABC, ENCA give a lot of airtime to these guys like the one up there and Simba. Simba is married to a Sacn from some wealthy family. He won't be able to recognise a ZEP if it was put in front of him. His father is a minister and he is just gaining mileage for his political ambitions. I was on a ZEP and moved away from it in 2020. There is noone on that permit who planned beyond the expriry date. People knew, were told it was going to end. These talks about people seeking Permanent residence are just to make news and am sure any gvt would be on some serious Kamikaze logic to try pull something like that. That being said and havi g stayed

[@joesimba3545]

Am surprised they are not paying more attention to people waltzing in and out without any documents. Witn ZEP you had your biometrics taken and the formalization tjat came with it, bank accounts, credit record, access to car loans, mortgage if qualifying etc, made one traceable. South Africa for South Africans, 100%. Problems start at the border though. If you had an idea........

[@tawandazvakavapano404]

​@@joesimba3545

[@nc2604]

I like your honesty.....this coming from someone who was on the ZEP and obviously from Zim, its great to have honest people like you.... now our Goverment should just do what was stated, which you just confirmed, that the ZEP people knew this all along, which means they are playing the SA immigration system now and will keep doing this until our Immigration minister stops playing this game they are playing Our goverment should take such comments and produce them to those opposing the law to take place......

[@mphiwacharles3800]

All foreigners must get it go to your countries then visit ND those SA interested will also do the same

[@lwadledle316]

Go nt take your government to court,leave the minister alone

[@noxolonginza4603]

This old lady is polite and taking side of Zimbabwean ,I just wish SABC can retrench people like her and employ youth that graduated in Journalism.

[@Eddy.user-pq5fg2bf7s]

We will remove them by force not only this zimbos but everyone here illegally. Their even disrespectful they call us lazy and stupid.nxa!!! They dont even deserve this platform.

[@chapter9363]

You and who

[@Eddy.user-pq5fg2bf7s]

@@chapter9363 me and Dudula we dont need you.

[@hmutandadzi]

They are not illegal. They have a special Zimbabwe permit from Motsoaledi

[@Eddy.user-pq5fg2bf7s]

@@hmutandadzi what happens when it expires next year?

[@chapter9363]

@@Eddy.user-pq5fg2bf7s you should waste all that energy looking for a job time is going before you knew it you will be old for the industry,we getting old by day

[@jameskillu9171]

"When humanity begins to value each life differently, humanity loses its own meaning."

[@katlegomoatshe1312]

Amen preach that to Zanu PF thugs, do they value their own people?

[@mokone4758]

Wow This is pure disrespect!!!

[@hopes9451]

So much enthusiasm and energy to push and shove your way into a country which is not yours. Mxm. These people are either lazy or cowards. Why don't you invest it in building your own country? As if we would be impressed to learn some of them have been here for years. Just go.

[@nc2604]

why is SA doing this.....SA minister needs to stick to what needs to be, why all the extensions. Employers will be fined if employing illegal persons( should be hefty fines, SA from apartheid era used to pay peanuts to people of colour, having illegal immigrants is fueling this yet we want to fix the wrong of apartheid) illegal immigrants accept any salary, pushing SAcans out, they were never in the country when people fought for fair wages, and are not helping, instead lable SAcans lazy, all illegal immigrants do not know the pain of apartheid and think what SAcans demand is a joke....minister stick to plan. This guys figures do not include illegal persons.... Let them produce what is needed as per requirements of visas and stop arguing. Immigration rules change in every country all the time. So they want the minister not to reject when the minister knows he has many SA students who have finished higher education and needs work. Issuing of ZEP was when SA could help, now they cannot, therefore accept and prepare to return home. Why is it difficult to go back to Zim? Unemployment in SA is 60% This should also apply to illegal persons in SA from China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria and Lesotho....

[@ernestmashilo7728]

They are supposed to continue looking for school for the children in this year, not next year. So the school excuse isn't quite valid. I knew there wouldn't be any gratitude for even accommodating them. It's such an attitude that makes you want to dump the sympathy we when have for Zimbabwean people.

[@bernardmabitla9261]

ZEP must be revoked, most ZEP holders doesn't qualify VISA or permits . We can't kept people who doesn't help the country.

[@mzwelenisibeko7615]

I want to help this Zimbabwean gentleman it's seems like he's lacking understanding about something when it comes to trucking industry, if a truck has South African registration it should be driven by a person with RSA drivers license likewise if it's a foreign truck it shall be driven by a person from the country where the truck belong therefore there's no need for trucks to be stopped at whatever border, if they are driven by people from the country's where trucks belong, if Zimbabweans are driving Zimbabwean trucks nobody has a right to remove them out of the truck even law enforcement can't but defending Zimbabweans who are driving South African truck that's totally madness RSA has got plenty of men and women who are in position of drivers licenses and skill to operate all types of trucks efficiently and effectively so there's no need for Zimbabweans to drive RSA trucks.

[@tinashemafty3261]

The time when ANC was propping up ZANU PF is when u was supposed to bring this logical insight from root level now it's too late. Investors ran into SA so vulnerable Zimbabweans do so. Corrupt leadership is all what we should blame guys

[@nc2604]

@@tinashemafty3261 ...this is the problem, Zim blames SA but we never blamed anyone for apartheid, we soldiered on, why should we solve Zim issues yet we have not achieved anything that was meant to be on the agenda after apartheid instead we are worse off with this ANC goverment. Why does Zim people think another nation/ country will fully help them to sort Zim, SA was helped partly by outside world but people of SA in townships fought day and night against apartheid, Zim things others should come fight their battle somehow 🤔 Worse now with ANC goverment, SA cannot concentrate on anyone but herself, a lot is wrong, unemployment, crime, health system gone to the ground, police services, education, SA is in a mess, how can they fully involve themselves with other countries issues when their own ground is shaky

[@osmandavie5528]

Home is a best i don't have stress to going home.

[@putsundlovu5883]

Zimbabweans just come home please.

[@victoriadhlamini1516]

Those ID were bought by Zimbabweans in Eastern Cape. Surely this is crazy. They have a land they must build shakes.

[@haiwatigere6202]

Poor guy is so engrossed in his misery he is such a poor interviewee.

[@elvismanyumwa2930]

Circus hasn't started your politicians will have no scap goat n no one too blame for lake of delivery of the election promises if Zimbos leave , they need to keep them there and at the same tym spit nonsense about Zimbos going back home ......it's called politics .....my advise is chase the money the politicians will screw u over and over again ......SA politisians will not survive without the Zimbos immigration question !

[@Face426]

7 months now nothing changes. This minister is wasting time. He couldn't bring any solution. He doesn't even know what to do? Advise to you: Bring European countries law here.

[@tshidioageng6918]

Why?

[@Dr_Du-Little]

Why?

[@Face426]

@@Dr_Du-Little New Zealand and Australia there is no illegal foreigners are there, everybody have the permit

[@sibusisongobese1611]

He's talking only about legal Zimbabweans, what about the over 4 million illegal Zimbabweans...

[@taffytapfuma4509]

It’s easy to blame Zimbabweans to fight in their own but in all honesty this will be a fruitfulness action the issues in Zim are deep and require an international effort. The real pressure should be placed on the SA govt and other SADC counties to put pressure on the Zim govt. there is not enough of that happening now. Remember what it took for apartheid to end. It was an international effort as well.

[@user-gu3pz4yt7i]

How about placing pressure ion yourselves and your own government.....

[@mkpetrus9138]

Which part of our laws provide for such permits and what section of our constitution allows it?

[@rainbowtrust6347]

It is not about employment only. People must go to their homes they've been here far too long we want them out, they have homes where they come from. SA must decrease the number of immigrants starting with Zimbabwe. You must stop discussing SA, just take your people and continue discussing Zimbabweans in Zimbabwe that's all. They must register schooling for their children now, for next year in Zimbabwe . About their accommodation in Zimbabwe, that can't be SA problem no b ways. Nobody invited them to stay in SA. They've been chased away many occasions in this country, but they chose to abandon their homes. They will be welcomed by their people or live in their streets just like poor SAns that are unemployed, yes what has become a normal life for poor SAns while they are cozy and warm here, they must feel the same in their country. And next time they should know where to fight and discuss like any normal people in their countries. And the pregnancies they brought to deliver in SA by force, are not SA children and must also go back to Zim with their mothers. It is mid-year and they must not register their children here. Their schools are empty in their country and that is where they must register for 2023. Stop making your problems SAns and when will this end . Our country needs enough space, schools for our children, just like our hospitals, maternity facilities and family planning. Stop arguing the obvious duuh, go open your practice in Zim or Zambia and elsewhere in Africa and abroad. We are tired of this ridiculous, unnecessary influx we need our country back. We want to build our country they distroyed back to its feet. They should do the very same in Zimbabwe and stop moaning as if they are crippled.

[@saidomarmorgan939]

Are we being channeled by Foreign nations??????

[@esilevinichronicles4269]

I think foreign forces and big business are involved, they want chaos to manifest in SA, then take advantage of the situation. Evil forces are obviously at play. South Africans must be united now and take care of their neighborhoods with military precision. Each one teach one

[@mphiwacharles3800]

Who ever is responsible for this noeense we don't want with our country enough is enough .this land is reserved for our grandchildren no your futseg.no one from SA is occupying your futseg

[@marblejori3569]

There are South Africans living in Zimbabwe . The Ndebeles . Mzilikazi came to Zimbabwe to stay but he was welcomed . Until now Ndebeles are still staying in Zim but you didn't hear an xenophobic . Guys let's go back to history .

[@fredrick5696]

@@marblejori3569 The Shonas have killed and assassinated many Ndebeles Zimbabweans have killed lot of Malawians

[@foziaa1459]

@@marblejori3569 History se gat. Gaan huistoe. Ons is moeg van julle!😤😤😤😤😤

[@maburwanemokoena7117]

Zimbabweans undermine South Africa so much because they saw how weak our leaders are. Our leaders are easily influenced by anyone who has money, we saw that with the Gupta brothers, where home affairs fraudelenty issued documents to some Indians to stay in our country. Zimbabweans will never make these demands to Botswana.

[@sithgasa2063]

But have you also thought about the ordinary SAns who are benefiting from the rentals paid by these foreigners because if you where serious about wanting the Zimbabweans to go surely you will think twice before collecting rental payments from the places their occupy because it's clear that not all Zimbabweans live in shacks some South Africans are benefiting and l doubt those benefiting are the white rich folks only . I am sure there are some Southafricans who are happy to collect rent payments every month from the so called Zimbabweans and at the same time being active in Dudula groups. I don't know if those kinds of ppl are neutral capitalist or simply too faced individuals.

[@fredrick5696]

@@sithgasa2063 If we chase the foreigners we will let the rooms for rentals to locals and jobs occupy by citizens

[@lulamasithole7828]

@@sithgasa2063 I have chased 6 zimbos from my apartments coz they want to tell me what to do in my place and now I have new tenants and I don't have problems with them

[@angelinaangie7528]

@@lulamasithole7828 i wish all SAns can do that ,they cnt want their bread be buttered both sides

[@tinashemafty3261]

Pliz when we are discussing, we need pple with sense here. How can one say Botswana 2million divide by Zim15million. It can't guys Botswana hasn't done anything yet. It's a very small country in terms of population. I wish Masisi can accomodate more Africans to build that country, he has nothing to loose if not greed of power

[@cbomiya1900]

Even if we in love with the girl when she says this is the end of our journey or it over they is no need to fight even there south African people they didn't want foreign why they refuse to go back from they come from course they know that they does not belong here why refuse to go back in peace............

[@etiennejoubert7461]

Our seriously incompetent government is fighting the wrong people. These Zimbabwe citizens are legally here. Stop addressing the legal tenants and focus on the real problem - illegal immigrants.

[@TheTalkingSaffa]

Then would we be correct in saying. All the ZEP holders must denounce their Zimbabwean citizenship and report their fellow Zimbabweans who are illigal in the country to the relevant authorities? It must be mandated by law for them or else should a fellow Zimbabwean be caught being illigal in the country and one of the ZEP is an associate. They loose their permit and charged with compromising state security? Moreover there only cross border taxis or buses should be catering only for the 180 000 and no one as well as hospitals etc. They should not own asserts, land or buy property in the country and must not qualify for grants or social security. Upon being granted permanent residency, they should report to immigration every *months as a condition?

[@jackiemonyemoratho4190]

All these people cannot think of innovative ways to survive in Zim??? Hai this kicking and screaming is exhausting.

[@sanelisiwengwenya2110]

Zimbabweans stop embarrassing yourselves n th whole country, pipo are allowed t change their rules wenever thy want to. Come back home so we fix our country, whre is your pride 🙄

[@wiilowhouse5175]

They will return once all South Africans return to their home country......bagcwele eUK laboo Skwweeeeeeya! As long as belama permits abayindawo

[@sanelisiwengwenya2110]

@@wiilowhouse5175 ahhh UK n other countries never said pipo shld leave t go back t their countries like wat SA is saying. Don’t force yourself into a neibor’home, thez plenty countries t go to , y Satafrica as if ts th only country wth jobs n things, either u come back home or go t other countries tht are open t foreigners , this is nw embarrassing , Zimboz let’s hv some pride maan

[@wiilowhouse5175]

@@sanelisiwengwenya2110 thats not how foreign policy works unfortunately. There is no embarrassment for working legally in any country. The Gov of SA knows the skills required by businesses and SA just like any other country doesn't have enough of its own people to meet demand. The UK did try that with Polish workers......didn't work...it won't work! The majority of those mourning about our jobs aren't qualified for anything and live in abject poverty....that's why you never see them match in Sandton or any suburbs.

[@foziaa1459]

All permits had expiration dates. It's clearly on the permit.

[@xnxo7237]

If a person is given can’t it be retaken.Showing the touts are they special skills?How does a person have an ID and change it for DZP.Imposing and feeling entitled at its best.

[@tigerzulu759]

Shocking

[@princemashalane5258]

Instead of taking measures to ensure that your children attending school in South Africa . You are busy hoping for extension. Make preparations to go back to zim and vote to fix. The fighting spirit you have in fighting to be in South Africa. Its the same spirit you need to to fight your zim government

[@chraudnyamukapa4171]

SA government please don't let us down send back our fellow zimbos, our houses here also need some tenants to occupy

[@jackiemonyemoratho4190]

Wrong calculations here. The 14million illegals includes Zimbos. Therefore 190k ZEP is not the exact figure of the total number of Zimbos in SA. Defending the inevitable. Best to accept the situation at hand and prepare for a new home.

[@annienai]

We are going back to our country it's fine

[@lindokuhle80]

we hate yall

[@mrmaths330]

A government by the people will not do that because they listen to the people. This is ANC foreigners government which has nothing to do with South Afrucans. We are voting to benifit foreigners

[@virgininiazwane6trgsgyyvrz598]

You can go to COURT 365 days in the year...

[@gladyssannahmthombeni6501]

Please go and build your country

[@chileshemulenga8790]

If i may ask when tou say go build your country, who built the new angloplatinum unki plant, who is building the oil and gas wells, one day sit along N1 and count wheelson, sabot and Anderson trucks from zim only will u understand that as much as there are zims in RSA most are in their home country building, we were once told yester years thats zambia will never rise today 2022 we have the strongest currency in southern africa and our economy is fast growing.

[@christopherwalker1157]

@@chileshemulenga8790 You talk of Zambia . You just got a 1.6 billion US dollar bailout from the IMF to put off your Chinese friends . China owns Zambia . Wether you like it or not . No one owns South Africa except South Africans

[@masibulelenongubo8511]

Madness

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

madness is that there are more of them still coming

[@angelinaangie7528]

With a goverment we have in SA that is anc ,anyone can try his luck its like a house with a mother drinking nd a father drinking nd children roaming in the streets

[@kennethmndawe6315]

I knew it the minister was gonna crumble under pressure. That's our government for you they don't whether they going or coming, no direction at all.

[@nc2604]

Did you see a comment on here f4om Joe Simba....our ministers should read these comments on here. He states quiet clearly that there is no need to get worked up The ZEP people knew this will eventually come, seems these that take SA govt to court thought this day will not come, and decided to make SA their permanent home in the hope that they will not be asked to return home. Seems those that say they have valid IDs , home affairs will have to link their ID applications to when they got the IDs to the ZEP initial forms ZEP was to make sure they pay their taxes and are accounted for until such time SA tells them to return to Zim now they want to stay and WANT SA goverment to do as they are told, which is ridiculous

[@dudumzuke6488]

No more extensions please,these people are complaining about conditions, amount of time given to prepare . They don't want to go Period!!! YOUR children will have to be accommodated in July

[@zandilemotsie3663]

Is the journalist okay

[@theflowchannel8944]

What about south African sir you care about Zimbabwean

[@tumiledimo2248]

The entitlement..

[@mjayaurum9126]

remove zim government n make zim an extension of south africa

[@mjayaurum9126]

@@mazwideamahle4091 they belong to the people.if not that then Africa should bypass European sanctions to give zim's economy a fighting chance like how russia is doing it.zim needs help over this sanctions

[@chrismakmak9571]

Mozambique, Swaziland, Lesotho they don't want permit it's needed by only Zimbambweans?

[@mfundosodela5567]

In fact they already are, all that they need is documentation of what is already happening. #Very soon, South Africans will be sent to Lesotho.

[@lindokuhle80]

🤣 Stay away from drugs bloody cowards

[@mthunzisotondoshe8673]

They must go back n vote out Mnagwagwa

[@oswellmoyo6671]

What about those who reported as asylum seekers around 2010 whose attempts to renew where not attended to up to now by DHA, whats there for them?

[@salometalana7566]

We asked all foreigners back to their country's, we fight for our world in 1976 people were dying, so they can fixed their countries together with their Presidents.