Analyzing my own Judicial Committee | Jehovah’s Witnesses

[@cultytalk]

Your JC was THE BEST one I've ever listened to. Harrison also had a great one too. You did a fantastic job.

[@emoth]

God, the whole "I wanted to kms because I wanted my parents to remember me like that"... I've never told anyone this, but I have often felt this way (I am PIMO). Your videos are so healing, it's just so nice to not feel alone

[@joshcapshaw266]

You are not alone. Such a huge community of former JW'S here to support you. Much love

[@50shadesofnewlight73]

Hi So sorry you feel like that at times. Please hang in there. It will get better. I remember my son telling me later that whole guilt trip of "dissapointing and saddening" your loved ones was causing a LOT of angst and discomfort when he wanted to leave and I was putting pressure on him to stay. I really regret it now and am so glad his criticisms and questions are what helped me wake up. All the best wishes for a free future for you.

[@canecorsomom2023]

May I ask what PIMO means? I've been out for years and outside of watching this channel I don't interact with any exJW

[@emoth]

@@canecorsomom2023 "physically in, mentally out", means I am no longer in the cult mindset or believe it, but I pretend to be for my own safety

[@canecorsomom2023]

@emoth bless your heart. I'm sorry you're stuck. Know you are not alone and there is life waiting on the other side. It will be a messy bumpy ride out, but I promise it's 100% worth it.

[@elleofmann6406]

Its hilarious how we aren't allowed to differ in interpretation of the bible. "When you become a Jehovah's witness its because you agree with all the teachings" until of course the governing body decides they have a different interpretation thats more correct than the previous one. Then everyone needs to believe the new interpretation. As a teen i was studying with an older sister and explained what i understood of the lesson we were discussing. She told me i wasn't quite right. A year later she called to say that the governing body had changed their perspective on it and that what i had said was actually correct. Cant remember what it was for the life of me. She was a very sweet woman. One of the one's i was sad to leave behind. RIP Camille, wish i could have said goodbye.

[@moriah1202]

Im so glad you're still here, Jake. You're a really special person

[@linzrojo]

The reason I connected with your content is because you had a tone of empathy and compassion . I couldn’t really relate with the ex jw creators that were like I always hated every second of it . Thank you for being you and sharing your journey .

[@markmello1366]

I appreciate that your five steps ahead of me on your journey. Thanks Jake

[@katrinasmith2843]

Just catching you mid conversation. Your mention of suicidal ideations caught my attention. After getting over the heartbreak 💔 that I was in a cult and that, hey, I'm a decent person after all, the suicide ideations went away for almost three years. It only returned when I moved back to the area where I grew up. However, that's where the religion and sexual abuse brought me full circle. The constant confirmation that we're 'good for nothing slaves', has raised its ugly head. Continue the struggle. You have a lovely wife and I appreciate your activism and your wife's participation and support.

[@gorkmusic]

Great video! Thanks again for the quality content, Jake. ❤️

[@LOH__]

The framed photo of the cat is killing me. 😂😍

[@superdave1921]

Jake, I enjoyed your committee meeting video so much, that I’ve watched it four or five times already. It’s even in my favorite list of videos!

[@mattjames7272]

I wonder if the elders sit around and have coffee or a beer after a JC and congratulate each other on all of their excellent analogies

[@altworldly]

Oh my god, you’re so right lmao. They probably do sit around and say things like, “brother, I loved that illustration about the dirt stain.”

[@mattjames7272]

@@altworldly I would have probably done the same thing if I had ever reached elderhood. Lol

[@cultytalk]

Oh u know it! Lol 😆

[@LOH__]

1:17:01 I don’t think I caught it the first time you said it. That witnesses are taught not to make friends at work. So it’s kinda like being shunned by that company if you leave a job. But I’m so glad you reiterated that there’s no comparison. You can still talk to coworkers after you leave. You can still talk to your family and friends who may or may not work for your former employer. The illustration fails at every turn. A child should not be able to enter a legal life long contract. A child should not forced into employment. A contract made without informed consent is void at any age. It’s so freaking stupid. It’s NOT a choice to be shunned.

[@leetrippii1830]

They really tried to make sense of bullshit.

[@Suibhne]

Your specific recording helped me a lot when I was waking up. I still come back to it every now and then to kind of remind myself and to remember what JW speak sounds like. It's really good to hear you react to it retrospectively not only as a fellow exJdub but also as a fellow content creator. Your opinions and thoughts change a lot over the years and it can be weird looking back on how you felt as a sort of time capsule. It's at times like these I'm really bothered that I never recorded my own JC. I wonder what I may have been able to get out of it

[@barbtwining7650]

I’m 60, haven’t been a part of the JW for a good 15 years or more. But just this year I realized that I have been carrying a fear/guilt with me. The good old JW guilt of what will happen if I am wrong and they are right. In my head I know I cannot support the teachings, but sometimes there are those doubts when you see world events, you know the ones. But listening to you and a few others talk reasonably about their experiences has given me great comfort and a way to work through the mind games that were played with me since I was a child. Keep up the good work.

[@-Zer0Dark-]

Something that always helped me was the realization that "what if they're right?" applies to all the other religions, too. Sure, what if the Witnesses are right? Terrifying implications, certainly. But what if the Norse are/were right? Are you willing to die in glorious battle just in case there's a Valhalla? How about Islam? Or Judaism? What if vampires are real and you've gone all this time without hanging garlic above your door? Pascal's Wager is an emotional weapon they've trained us to use even on ourselves to keep us in line. In their hubris, they never imagined it could apply to any other faith or belief that claims our very lives are in peril. We can't possibly follow every belief and practice to save ourselves from a possible fate, and even if we could, wouldn't the gods (whichever ones) see that we're just doing it to save ourselves anyway? Wouldn't that be way more insulting than not following any of them, and instead following our reason? If there's a god who's worth a damn, I'm sure they'll appreciate us being reasonable more than following out of fear or blind faith. Just food for thought.

[@I_Am_because_God_Is]

I was born Jehovah’s Witness , and on Aug 12th, 2021, I prayed to Jehovah letting him know how much this religion has hurt my heart. Since I was born I’ve been told that God was going to destroy all who were not witnesses. I couldn’t do it anymore I prayed to God letting him know all the damage this religion has done in my life....I told God that all I wanted was his love not paradise especially knowing all the non-witnesses that I loved were dead and I would gladly give my life in exchange for my children that are not witnesses. I told him I could no longer assist meetings because this religion is making me think badly of him. I remember yelling in my head how I couldn’t understand how a loving God could do this knowing our imperfections...I was sobbing, overwhelmed with grief when all of a sudden I heard a thought: I would never hurt anyone. I felt it down to my bones, I instantly calmed down and felt at peace. That night as I was laying down, my whole body started with intense waves of vibration, I started to sit up and it kept going, then I just had this knowing not be afraid and I just relaxed and immediately I started seeing all these lights and I was in a tunnel of light. I kept thinking if my husband turned around I was going to be sparkling! Then I was inside of this most amazing light that was filling me with so much love, fractals of light were coming towards me and all I could hear was I love you, you are loved over and over again. I felt all the pain and hate and hurt melt from my core, I was just floating there in unimaginable love and bliss, I remember being asked if I wanted to stay and I thought of my kids and then it just melted away and I was sitting in bed. I was drunk with Gods love for 2 weeks, I was healed from a full body skin illness I had been suffering for 3 years. I haven’t been back to any meetings since. Haven’t spoken to any elders about what happened just my mom and husband her reaction was not surprising, immediately told me to talk to an elder. I know they will say it was demonic, but how can a love so complete not be from something so pure? Because of this experience, I started researching and was blown away by THOUSANDS of accounts of others who have had this out of body experience called NDE or STE, I’m telling you it’s mind blowing how death has been held over us. Everyone says the same thing: God is not Judging us WE are!!! I still pray and feel Gods Holy Spirit with me something I had never felt in the Kingdom Hall! I just want others to know that God is not in the kingdom hall he is in our hearts everywhere we go, always. He does not give us the spirit of fear, anything in the Bible that causes fear is a misinterpretation. Jesus came to free us from the lies and it’s happening again, we are the new scrolls...the countless witnesses of how religions are a snare! Jesus said it was done! He didn’t say now we have to follow another religions rules to inherit the kingdom! I’m ending this by saying...My Father and I share the same will that ALL WILL BE SAVED!

[@thetruthk5138]

Called Grace

[@aloramermaidful]

I had the same feelings after praying, maybe not to your extent of experience 😊 I'm more close to Jesus, Jehovah, Holy Spirit now that I've left than I was ever in. Born in, left after my JW mom passed, moved away to live with my non-JW dad to go to college. Did a lot of searching afterwards. Experienced many miracles and blessings to know Jesus is with me and loves me. I don't need a flawed, corrupt organization to dictate my life. So happy reading about your experience 🥰 Much blessings to you 💓

[@jen7834]

I have delved into NDE after Dad died. I believe you cannot discount all these experiences especially as many , even atheists, are having the same experiences and coming back changed for the better and say that how we live our lives and treat others is what matters.

[@kawehionalani]

Wow 💗💗💗 Thank you 🙏 for sharing ❤❤❤God Bless You!

[@ThatRedhedd]

That's a really cool experience! I'm an ex-Lutheran who attended a private Christian university where, ironically, I quickly came to accept that I was gay & got a secret girlfriend. I don't necessarily believe in the Biblical God anymore, but rather, a Source energy or "The Universe." Basically, I don't know for sure what the truth is, but I know what _doesn't feel right._ Organized religion doesn't sit right with me. Judgment based on adherence to certain politically relevant Bible verses while acting like the rest of the Bible doesn't exist feels unfair. People claiming to know, for sure, that God disapproves of how entire groups of perfectly nice people live their lives doesn't sit right with me. The spiritual encounter you described sounds like it was amazing. I'd love to experience that. The message of Love you received definitely feels true to me. I imagine that's exactly what we would hear God say to us if we could audibly hear God. It's this Knowing that causes me to disbelieve the Bible & all other organized religions that clearly added to God's true message so they could control us and gain wealth & power. I'm so happy that you were able to get out of the toxicity and found what feels right in your soul!

[@novakien2714]

What a way to start my work day

[@krissykatportal]

Yesss judicial inception video. You should do this every year Jake!

[@altworldly]

Lmao YES

[@GwenElaine1]

34:15 i think a video essay about the appearance of jw would be great!! my best friends mother came to my father’s funeral ten years ago and recently told me how creeped out she was by how cold and robotic the jws were. they think they’re coming off as kind and polite, which they are but in the creepiest way possible lmao

[@ciscokidfab7595]

In our town, all summer long there were two old guys cart witnessing at the children’s water park. Really creepy!

[@danettelewis8002]

I will date myself in my comment. The old cult classic 'Stepford Wives' is very similar to how jw's come across.🤡

[@Trin_and_Tonic]

1:31:55 love is not the motivation for anything they do. Fear, Obligation, and Guilt are (FOG from Steve Hassan's book).

[@rachelanthony179]

I am actually imagining Ray Romano on the judicial committee with that elders voice 😂

[@SequencesOfSounds]

The fact that their no.1 defence is 'we're no different to a big business enterprise' and not realise how much that proves so many of your points

[@emmamcgreal5519]

15:44 OK BUT NO ONES GONNA MENTION THE PERFECT YOSHI IMPRESSION DONE BY A CAT?!?! SERIOUS VIDEO I KNOW BUT THATS TALENT

[@scottjones3411]

They do deserve it, Jake. I'm on that same dark page with you. If there's to be any justice for the shunned, the shunners must suffer. 30:02 30:02

[@scottjones3411]

THEY DON'T GET TO FORGET US

[@merrylittlebandofmisfits7040]

You recorded your disfelllwshipping! ?How epic is that lmao

[@rccollins2685]

“It’s good to hear how ill equipped they are to handle legitimate criticism.” Very good point

[@nicholassmith7473]

17:47 lifesaving message. I will strongly disagree. You weren't there specifically when I was scrolling KZbin as a distraction from taking the big nap, it was Wally's silly video. Its my opinion that these videos provide a place for ones that have been ripped from everyone, they have ever known, to feel a connection. Granted this cant be the center point of the rest of our lives; however, it will be one of the biggest milestones for most of us. In conclusion, Wally did actually save my life so maybe it is more lifesaving than you think.

[@cultytalk]

1:18:07 This is is a point I bring up to my mother: JESUS WAS AN APOSTATE!! #Facts

[@damonrandall9844]

Hey Jake. You know, one thing I’ve always wondered about and hoped for is that the elders find the recordings and are like, “That sneaky little whippersnapper lied and did record that meeting! The Holy Spirit polygraph didn’t detect it.” And then they realize after listening how utterly stupid they sounded with their shitty illustrations about factory work and jobs and corporations. I could go on. They make me sick! Awesome video and many happy tiddlywinks!😊

[@stoobpendous]

This is like watching Inception.

[@austinhowley3907]

55:15 @altworldly yes, I’ve heard colloquially from other witnesses while I was still in that they often have the elders assume three rolls, a nice guy an aggressive guy and someone in between. I actually heard this from my own mom and looking back noticed that they also did it this way for my judicial committee in a different congregation. Very interesting.

[@iheartgirls16]

Congrats on your wife becoming PIMO!!!! Step in the right direction.❤ I was raised 3rd gen JW; grandfather, uncles were elders. My father converted to be a JW and was a MS. I grew up with our family hosting Tuesday meeting at our house pretty much my whole life. (God, I hated setting up for that). My best friends were all elder kids. I left when I was 17 and have never looked back. I’ve now been out longer than I was ever in. #bestlifeever.

[@pinklilyblossom]

I have nothing against christenings and children baptizing - the issue is never being allowed to change your mind and being severely punished for life for changing your mind

[@AdamoVenti]

When my brother was asking me about looking at apostate videos, I told him the honest truth, that I was looking for videos of people talking about why they became JWs, and I couldn't find anything. I would've joined, but I can only find bad reviews lol. (I wasn't gonna join. We just had studies.) You're definitely not alone in having them think you're being deceived. I tried to explain that my views are based on what they teach, not random information that's not backed up. It's not like I confused a scientology video for JW beliefs.

[@anaidentafaible]

1:23:00 He’s going for ”one who has been one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”, but stops himself, and corrects to ”one who has been CALLED one of…” He can’t admit that someone could leave, that someone could stop being a Witness. It has to be that they were never really one to begin with.

[@altworldly]

GREAT catch!!

[@RainAngel111]

This is something that really bothers me about how my mom thinks about my deconstruction from evangelical Christianity (not JW). She has convinced herself that I never had any real relationship with Jesus and was just paying lipservice to the religion. It's infuriating because it completely invalidates the years of genuinely struggling to defend a religion that you loved and was your life.

[@Trin_and_Tonic]

I wish I could/would have recorded mine! So much gaslighting happened during both of them (I appealed), I don't really remember what was even said to or by me. If I could listen now, maybe I could figure out why I was df'd (brazen conduct??).

[@MyBlueButterfly96]

Eyyy! Bi exJW gang 🏳️‍🌈

[@DictatorTuna]

Was Ray Romano in your judicial committee?

[@berean22-z8z]

Am literally doing an apostasy jc tommorow

[@bubgerkirg]

good luck

[@altworldly]

Whoa, best of luck!! Keep us posted on how it goes!

[@MrzBulldoppz]

Good luck!! ❤🫂

[@berean22-z8z]

Sure, thanks

[@moriah1202]

Good luck! ❤

[@KromCadnilem]

You are a rockstar! 🎉

[@fenostalgicmanrooster4898]

Thats remember to keep my analisys. I went till 015 minuts before the final of "god equals organization" In previous video. In this current video now, you say that this elder had so many ilustration. You know what, i guess the ilustration generaly can be used(the same ilustration, btw) in a both ways. I realize that when i usualy reframe their ilustrations(as you did about "job enterprise's rules', of "the company doesnt have the power of breacking all your social structure") their will of using ilustration fade. If they say "its just a ilustration" the pimo could say "yeah, and i made the same to ilustrate the problem of this concept, that smake this hard to understand as a fair")

[@audleymattos6262]

Hey Jake, you have an amazing story, how should one contact you.

[@altworldly]

My email is in the description :)

[@bethanyparker4817]

Wrote a letter that i was no longer a witness, and wanted no more contact. Very clean break.

[@themidnightrider6257]

they literally are responding to critism as a parent that lost an arguement with a 12 year old, just denying clear arguments by dusting them under a rug and going "but no tho bro"

[@commentcorner1374]

It's sad that children are so disregarded as people to not be worthy of answers from the people who are meant to be a source of support for them, people who have complete legal guardianship and social authority over them, that such disregarding can be used as an analogy ... really sad and relevant to JWs and high control groups

[@iqdog]

Im curious to know what “yolanda” thought of your judicial committee recording when hearing it the first time lol

[@jq9807]

Hey, its the star of the last loyd evans video!😂

[@altworldly]

💀

[@f4rnsworth138]

It's interesting they bring up noncompete clauses. I've always regarded them as deeply immoral. To tell someone you are not allowed to support yourself using the skills you have acquired because we don't want to have to compete is wring. You're in business, compete. Some States actually ban them and there has been talk about banning them at the federal level. It's not surprising they'd pull out something immoral and harmful as a defense for their immoral bullshit. As you point out no company will try to get their employees to shun a former member. It's so stupid

[@murph8411]

Out damn spot!

[@ramrod576]

I heard my wife, in Borats voice. Lol

[@theshockinglyeloquentdog9945]

AltWordly the type of a guy to have a fursona named Peach Fuzz

[@gregorydensford7185]

I thought the original video was fine unto itself! By the way, your buddy LE used some of your content to accuse you of lying about him in a recent video. He looks so foolish.

[@AnimaOrphei]

So my anthem for the feeling of wanting to throw in your parents face all the bad stuff: 🎶I want to teach you a lesson in the worst kind of way. Still I’d trade all my tomorrow’s for just one yesterday… 🎶 Just one yesterday - by Fall Out Boy Strangely got me through a lot. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@AnimaOrphei]

PS: Maybe consider a trigger warning cus I bawled all over again when watched this video but not as hard as the first time I did. Just a thought. I wish I was the worst of us. -but I’m not. So yeah. As always thank you for your work.

[@LOH__]

Tiddlywinks

[@ThatRedhedd]

I'm an ex-Lutheran who attended a private Christian university where, ironically, I quickly came to accept that I was gay & got a secret girlfriend. I don't believe in the Biblical God anymore, but rather, a Source energy or "The Universe." Basically, I don't know for sure what the truth is, but I know what _doesn't feel right._ Organized religion doesn't sit right with me. Judgment based on adherence to certain politically relevant Bible verses while acting like the rest of the Bible doesn't exist feels unfair. People claiming to know, for sure, that God disapproves of how entire groups of perfectly nice people live their lives doesn't sit right with me. The Bible & all other organized religions that clearly added to God's true message so they could control us and gain wealth & power.

[@writinghappyhour6945]

I'm vaping while watching the video so it's not rude.😊

[@murph8411]

A persons opinion can change over time but that’s not what we sign up for! Only if the governing body decides teachings change! 😂

[@ilovemyboyfriend5425]

i think you might like the Unitarian Universalist church

[@merrylittlebandofmisfits7040]

They are so clique tho

[@ilovemyboyfriend5425]

@@merrylittlebandofmisfits7040 just was saying

[@GreatValueLando]

I went from "something isnt right here" after watching a mormon documentary ironcially, to full on POMO in less than 6months lmao.

[@ThatRedhedd]

What does that acronym mean?

[@GreatValueLando]

@@ThatRedhedd Pomo = physically out, mentally out

[@canecorsomom2023]

Watchtower elders are trained to do one thing, and thats push the propaganda. False equivalents are a big propaganda tactic, and honestly they excel at it. But its not hard to get around them, but its always comical to me that they double down on them by bringing up another one. What i find a bit sinister is that i know some (not all but some) of these guys do know this and they do it anyway, because they like the power trip. Those are the dangerous ones

[@ramrod576]

What about second comments??? Sorry. Uh everyone should record their judicial committee. Everyone. Pimi or pomo. Cover your ass.

[@ThatRedhedd]

What do those acronyms mean?

[@ramrod576]

@@ThatRedhedd physically in, mentally out is PIMO. For people stuck and can't leave. POMO, same but physically out

[@Jay-sr8ge]

Is it possible that you're being deceived by apostate material? Sure it's possible. But you're absolutely certain that you have been deceived by the organization! You have a gift of articulating yourself in a way that's both respectful of the other party, while breaking down their faulty analogies and exposing their hypocrisy with surgical precision. But it also highlights the futility of ever talking to the JC for any reason other than for your own personal benefit. Because you will never convince them with reason.

[@L-Nicole40]

So cute and smart. Your wife is lucky, as are you. Your wife is prettier than you.😊

[@jackijax505]

Why do you keep flashing the horns?

[@altworldly]

What does that mean?

[@rickeyricardomatthews2147]

Your encounter in exiting this religion was so dramatic and dreadful to endure

[@akingdom4mypeople343]

Jehovah is not the creator of the universe's name when are u gonna cover that topic. It's important. Forgive me if you have already.

[@rochellejones-thomas6754]

Why don’t you think this cult should be destroyed? It should be. It is extremely harmful. Please look into correct Christian theology.

[@christinesotelo7655]

Please stop back-stabbing Lloyd Evans. We former JWs need all of you. I know former JWs still spy and backstab, it takes time to stop that type of behavior. But give it up. We formers need the support of all of you precious podcasters and we don’t want you or ourselves to go backwards into KH behaviors. You cannot be a judicial committee to one man targeted. You’ve been through hell, don’t put another through the same process. Thank you. ❤

[@altworldly]

What are you talking about? That video is a year old and I haven’t said anything since! This video has nothing to do with Lloyd

[@cultytalk]

​@@altworldlyLloyd made ANOTHER video about you like 3 days ago. That's what this person is talking about 🙄🙄🙄

[@carolreilly1697]

I love all the exjw KZbin channel’s we need them all! I’m only out a few months and we’re all dealing with mental and emotional issues because of this horrific organisation want all of us to be helped and encouraged. So glad I found all these channels all greatly helping. ❤

[@christinesotelo7655]

I will unsubscribe. Please, no need to respond. 😢

[@christinesotelo7655]

Nope, you are not an Airport. Just a man who still descends upon Lloyd with backstabbing. One man.

[@Graceland1964]

When you said to elders how far are you willing to go. You could of mentioned JONES TOWN NOVEMBER 18th 1978 as an example.

[@altworldly]

I’ll do that next time