ANCIENT GREEK (HOMERIC) & MODERN GREEK (LITERARY)

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[@ctalcantara1700]

Ancient Greek- sounds like Finnish. Modern Greek- sounds like Castillian Spanish.

[@santiagomorales9129]

it's being read like the guy is going to interpret an elf from LOTR

[@E45F678]

Well, ancient Greek sounds like however a modern scholar chooses to make it sound. Sure, we have a general outline of the rules of the phonology, or rather the many varied phonologies of different ancient Greek dialects from different time periods, but it is one thing to have a set of rules and quite another to actually put them into practice and recite texts using these rules. Much of the finer details, such as vowel length and pitch, are up to the speaker's interpretation. In reality, we need a native speaker to correct us to make sure we're doing it right. Since they're all long gone and didn't leave voice recordings behind, we have no gold standard. So, this speaker in the video may sound Finnish to you, but another speaker might come off as Japanese, for example. Bottom line: Reconstructed pronunciations need to be taken with a large grain of salt.

[@theopavlos6113]

Probably a Finnish guy reads the text from Homer's Iliad and that's why it sounds like this...😂 Note: Homeric Greek probably sounded different from modern Greek. It's very normal for the pronunciation of a language to evolve. Even the exact same words in various modern Greek dialects sound different. However, the western scholars' assumptions about the ancient pronunciation of certain consonants are not justified enough or the theories about the time of the pronunciation shift of other letters vary.

[@ctalcantara1700]

@IndoEuropeanss You are right!!!

[@kotovalexarian]

Ancient Greek seems to sound like Finnish because it had short and long vowels. Latin is similar in this aspect. I don't know whether Finnish has short and long vowels, but it definitely has something that makes it sound like this.

[@lost4eva081980]

I don't even speak Greek but can definitely hear the difference between the pitch accent of Ancient Greek and stress accent of Modern Greek, especially hearing them side by side like this.

[@diegoacosta8168]

This channel is amazing! Congrats 🇺🇾

[@papadopoulos1]

Thats Uruguay

[@anonymousbloke1]

​@@papadopoulos1 I think the guy knows, he's just a fan from that country ("Diego Acosta")

[@diegoacosta8168]

@@papadopoulos1 I'm from Uruguay dear

[@papadopoulos1]

@@diegoacosta8168 I see , I’m mistaken lol

[@theresponsibleuser90]

As an Indian, Modern Greek sounds like Spanish 😅

[@uamsnof]

To be fair, I think to most Europeans, Modern Greek sounds like Spanish too haha

[@ctalcantara1700]

Langfocus did amazing video of this! Check it out!

[@joseteeee09.]

I'm Spanish and the pronunciation of moder Greek is very easy to me

[@Moye450]

It's a strange coincidence that both sound like the same language to me

[@uamsnof]

@@Moye450 it’s a coincidence, but it’s by no means strange. There are videos that explain why they sound similar. In the wide world of languages, sometimes, unrelated languages sometimes end up sounding similar

[@xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044]

As an Italian, modern Greek sounds literally as if a Spaniard was talking unintelligible gibberish

[@Niloufar1992]

Big fan of greak language , χαιρετισμός από το Ιράν❤

[@JohnnySpan]

❤

[@savvassyrmopoulos5570]

"Efta" is not official but in people's everyday use. "Epta" is the official.

[@R_I_N_K_A_]

The are used interchangeably

[@JohnnySpan]

They're both official, although the second form is more formal. Same for eight and nine respectively.

[@emanuelsstudio4478]

Can you respost your old videos please I miss them

[@Davlavi]

Great video duo thanks.

[@ZTGSWOrZaki]

Beautiful Greek video you got here Andy

[@queensofthedthrone8267]

I have a STRONG preference for ancient Greek

[@therongjr]

I don't know if it's because much of my knowledge of Greek is from etymologies, but I "understand" the ancient Greek better.

[@ssangari]

i have a STRONG preference for modern greek haha it sounds soso beautiful

[@oliveranderson7264]

I think the language sounds a lot better now tbh

[@goulven05]

Same here lol

[@anonymousbloke1]

Modern Greek just sounds like unintelligible Spanish, Ancient Greek seems a lot more similar to Latin (mainly due to looong vowels) ​@@oliveranderson7264

[@mr.silascruz1351]

Nice video!

[@steliopapakonstantinou674]

Well, the Homeric Greek, from which is the text (Iliad), is considered to be a literary dialect where Ionic prevails and has some Aeolic words and/or grammatical features.

[@bvillafuerte765]

Good video.

[@AlanHernandez-jg1xv]

Finally you do this video :)

[@NullCyan]

Can you make ecclesiastical latin vs classical latin? (sorry if you've already made that video but I didn't find it.

[@user-zr2bf2yf6r]

Greek sounds like ancient Persian language maybe because both of them are from the indo European language family.

[@jacksonamaral329]

I enjoyed it.

[@Meowie765]

Why do ancient greeks in the video have white eyes ? Are they from the Hyuga clan ?

[@alechianese01]

😂

[@yaminoyume610]

Incredible

[@jeryndavelauan2453]

we need old english and modern english comparison

[@jordanniedermeyer3941]

O grego moderno é perfeito! 😍😍😍😍 Mas estudo o grego homérico e um pouco de grego koiné.

[@KingsleyAmuzu]

Could you do Estonian and Japanese tomorrow?

[@mareksagrak9527]

It's the most random idea I've ever seen.

[@uamsnof]

No, Ancient Egyptian and Argentinian Spanish

[@Dxags_AS]

Weird how the H sound disappeared

[@taimunozhan]

It's a fairly common sound change, in fact it actually happened twice in Spanish (Latin H became silent in the early medieval period, then Old Spanish got a new H from Latin F and in Arabic loanwords which also became silent by the Early Modern period)

[@jcpaulinho]

​@@taimunozhan Fun fact, the J is starting to have H sound in some accents of spanish.

[@KertPerteson]

​@@jcpaulinhoJ is pronounced H in all dialects of spanish

[@jcpaulinho]

@@KertPerteson J is pronounced H from Ecuador/Colombia/Venezuela up to Mexico/US Hispanics, the rest of Latin America, Spain and Equatorial Guinea pronounce J like german "ch", raspy and throaty.

[@KertPerteson]

@@jcpaulinho Both are still H sounds one has /x/ quality while one has /h/ quality

[@miketacos9034]

1:12 AS WRITTEN!

[@EminencePhront]

Modern Greek sounds so much better.

[@wild8074]

Pronunciation seems easier

[@E45F678]

That's because it's real, the natural evolution of the language over millenia. Reconstructed pronunciations are educated guesses and therefore are totally artificial.

[@mrmoth26]

​@@E45F678reconstructed pronunciations are not educated guesses or guesses at all, they're based on evidence and are not artificial.

[@kristaps5296]

​@@mrmoth26 Do you even know what an educated guess means? And how is not artificial? Are they based on audio recordings of ancient people? 🤦

[@santiagomorales9129]

is the ancient version human or AI? No way they speak like that... it's so overempasized and broke between syllables Either way, super interesting nonetheless!!

[@mrmoth26]

It's because it's a recitation of poetry, not just normal casual speaking

[@E45F678]

​@@mrmoth26 Even reciting spoken text or people going off-script, so to speak, and using an Ancient Greek dialect to communicate do this, though. The vowel length and pitch accents are unnaturally exaggerated, the aspirates are heavily emphasized ... it sounds terrible, in my opinion.

[@pawel198812]

​@@E45F678Ioannis Stratakis does great quality recordings of Ancient Greek literature in reconstructed Attic pronunciation. He has a lot of samples on his KZbin channel

[@user-gk9mj5bo2e]

What i heard isn't ancient greek. It's just how some scholars believe ancient pronunciation sounds like

[@wild8074]

Just the numbers are the same but then They are two worlds apart

[@antoniotorcoli5740]

Indeed, but this is homeric Greek. Attic Greek is closer to modern Greek. And κοινή Greek is even closer. An educated Greek can understand biblical Greek quite easily. An Italian can by no means understand Latin and an English speaker ca not understand old Saxon.

[@wild8074]

@@antoniotorcoli5740 Modern English is far more Latinized than the Ancient one

[@antoniotorcoli5740]

@@wild8074 Indeed. Greek vocabulary did not change that much in 2000 years. Grammar and syntax were simplified and pronunciation rules changed.

[@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236]

​@@antoniotorcoli5740Not trying to be a contrarian, but an Italian can understand some Vulgar Latin (from the "Vulgata" translation of the Bible) for sure, and so can I as a Romanian

[@antoniotorcoli5740]

@@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236 no , believe me, I was a teacher of Latin and an average Italian of course will understand many words from Vulgata and even some sentences, but he will not be able to read and understand the full text or even a full page. I know Romanian as well and, even if Italian is closer to Latin as far as vocabulary is concerned, Romanian grammar is more conservative and closer to Latin.

[@BozorgMohammadHossein]

Hello from Persia 🌞🦁🤝🇬🇷🏛️

[@alexaslih1388]

That ain't no ancient greek💀🙏

[@SarimFaruque]

I like the variety of letters in ancient greek better. In modern greek there are like three "i" letters (eta, iota, ypsilon).

[@E45F678]

In English there are about 30 ways of writing the /i/ sound.

[@savvassyrmopoulos5570]

And "ei", "oi" also are pronounced as "i".

[@joseg.solano1891]

Yazghulami language, please

[@Leoners_]

why does ancient greek sounds similar to ancient persian? kinda

[@steliopapakonstantinou674]

Ancient Greek is definitely NOT the correct term. Ancient Greek comprised various dialects (Doric, Ionic, Aeolic, Arcado-Cypriot, etc.). The Greek that is being taught is the Ionian Attic and we must always specify it! In the Aeolic dialect the H sound had been long abolished and some "modern" features in the pronunciation were already present in the Boeotian Aeolic dialect long before they appeared in the Koiné. The Koiné is much more understandable to us than the premise of the Iliad here.

[@kissymontalvan1580]

Can you make Dutch and Japanese

[@mareksagrak9527]

And what would be the sense of comparing them?

[@uamsnof]

Nooo, that's pointless. Do Navajo and New Zealand English

[@kissymontalvan1580]

The sense of comparing Dutch and Japanese is Europe and Asia

[@uamsnof]

@@kissymontalvan1580 … that doesn’t make any sense

[@user-nt4gr2nu9y]

Chinese Mandarin vs Taiwanese Mandarin

[@Kryptohan]

Ancient hellens were ALBOS

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

ZEUS BLESS GREECE

[@The_Rising_Sun-No.1]

Is ancient Greek understandable for modern Greek people?

[@wild8074]

I don't think so

[@mithradates]

Easy Greek episode 56 investigates exactly that! My favourite episode

[@boink800]

If spoken very, very slowly ... maybe.

[@kkyrezis]

Homeric Greek is a mix of many ancient dialects and is full of poetic and literary words. So, we maybe understand a few individual sentences, or the meaning of many ofthe words individually. If at all.

[@boink800]

@@kkyrezis And of course ... Ancient Greek does not have the modern words which Modern Greek has.

[@sido12ification]

Five in modern Greek is Pente, not Pede.

[@E45F678]

Exactly. In modern Greek, technically pronouncing it as pente (sounds like PEN-deh) or pede (PEH-deh) is optional and up to the speaker.

[@TempusEst]

I think the modern Greek accent is affected by Turkish too.

[@dieselface1]

Greek has basically sounded like it does today for more than 1000 years, before the Turks even entered Asia Minor.

[@tobiasboston7795]

Albotrolls are obsessed with us in the comments 🤣

[@jaironperezcopa6503]

Millennia don't pass in vain, they are very different.

[@Yashodharpoornima2514]

Make a video on accents on kannada Day 4😊

[@listorin6314]

the word Atreidis... I wonder if Frank Herbert named the Atreides' after that word or is it just a coincidence?

[@mareksagrak9527]

You've guessed very right. In the "Messiah of Dune" even Agamemnon is mentioned

why Ancient Greek sounds reminds me of Finnish? :S

[@anonymousbloke1]

Elongated vowels. Same as Classical Latin.

[@dnkal2875]

First the homeric Greek is by someone that can't speak it natively and put to much focus and just sound weird. It's like i say the word hello but i emphasize the he-llo it just sound weird. As for the modern Greek it's just that the tone which he speaks is like, you read it slowly to children so they understand and not like it's poetry. And of course homeric Greek is much different from even classical Greek probably more than half the words are exclusive in it.

[@KingsleyAmuzu]

Could you do Taiwanese Chinese and Japanese please, for tomorrow?

[@supermavro6072]

Complete different language

[@savvassyrmopoulos5570]

If analysed and spoken slowly, you see the similarities. Also, many words are still used today "enjailed" in bigger composite words, while not used autonomously.

[@kristaps5296]

Unlike turkish and turkalbanian

[@E45F678]

I suppose that depends on your definition of language vs dialect.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

First

[@ivancastillo7852]

Ancient Greek Sounds more like Italian, modern Greek Sounds more like Spanish!!😮

[@SK-zi3sr]

Ancient Greek sounds like Latin and ancient illyrian mixed together

[@tobiasboston7795]

And how do we know how ancient illyrian was like?

[@effervescentevanescenttran6331]

I think he means Albanian...

[@phgs_smnt]

Silence, you will call the albanians conspiracionist nationalists.

[@fertblu5514]

Modern greek has too many s sounds

[@NantokaNejako]

ehm no it has just one of them 😊

[@fertblu5514]

@@NantokaNejako i mean the language itself too many s words

[@Tom21356]

Can anyone tell me how so many Slavic words ended up in the Homeric Lexicon?

[@antoniousai1989]

Ottoman Empire? Greece literally shares borders with Slavic countries. NVM, I misunderstood, you mean the opposite, which is ridiculous. Homeric Greek has no Slavic words, at best it can have Hellenic words with a common Indo-European root, so they are cognate, not loanwords.

[@anonymousbloke1]

Slavic? Wdym? I'm a slav who speaks 2 Slavic languages natively and I don't notice any Slavic words in Homeric Greek...

[@E45F678]

Homeric Greek is 2,700 years old. Slavs didn't appear in the Balkans until 6th century AD, so I highly doubt there is any link there at all.

[@tobiasboston7795]

None, like a big fat certain 0%, because the slavs settled in the balkans in the 6th century CE while homeric greek is centuries older than even Alexander's empire.

[@southepirote7676]

According to genetics Greeks have a minimum admixture 56% slavic DNA.

[@tobiasboston7795]

Obsessed

[@tobiasboston7795]

Also we dont have that high amount of slavic, it would need Peloponnese, Crete and Thessaly to have 30 plus percent for each region plus an extra amount of slavic DNA for the north (which currently it's 20-30%) for the general greek population to have 56% slavic DNA, and neither Peloponnese nor Crete have significant slavic DNA (in fact, Crete is close to 0%) Thessaly is higher but only at 20%. Generally greeks are 16-20% slavic. Nice try though with your fake data, albotroll 😂

[@kristaps5296]

According to genetics, turkalbanians are a turkiic tribe from the Caucasus.

[@effervescentevanescenttran6331]

​@@kristaps5296No, they're just as native to the region as Greeks are.

[@effervescentevanescenttran6331]

​@@tobiasboston7795According to the studies, the Slavic DNA of Greeks ranges from 0.1 to 40 percent depending on the region. In general, overall it's more like 10-20 percent.

[@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose]

I think that the very interesting Ancient Greek language literally sounds like a wonderful mix of Modern Greek and Albanian languages. And as an Italian and Greek mixed lady, I know we had our special history with Albanian people, with nice and not-so-nice memories due to political tensions, and even between Greeks and Italians. Maybe that's the resulting influence I can hear from that❣️ Nevertheless, I wish all three countries / peoples 🇦🇱🇬🇷🇮🇹 a great future together❣️🙏🤲🙌❤️ BTW: I love the speakers clarity in their voices. Well done, guys❣️❤️

[@Pan20006]

It sounds nothing like Albanian lmao have you ever heard how Albanian sounds like? It sounds like Latin also this is Homeric greek specifically it is a mix of many different dialects

[@nikoking825]

Okay, well this is a lie. Ancient Greek is not at all like Albanian

[@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose]

@nikoking825 I didn't lie because I only wrote, "I think it sounds like...", it's literally an opinion of me and not a fact. Keep calm, adelfós 🫠❤️

[@supermavro6072]

yes, we greeks are a mixed salad of aIbanian, turkish, italian/ventians, heIenoorgy fest. Thank you

[@Pan20006]

@@supermavro6072 you are not greek lmao 🤣 also turkey is the most ethnically diverse nation in Mediterranean and Albania has slavic vlach Turkish and greek admixture genetics show

[@user-xi5ej4ox5s]

THE OLDEST GREEK IS NOT HOMERIC, THE OLDEST GREEK IS MYCEANAEAN!!!!

[@uamsnof]

OH - MY - GOD HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE SO IGNORANT THATS NOT TRUE THE OLDEST GREEK IS PROTO-GREEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!

[@supermavro6072]

Ancient greeks = Egyptians, Modern Greeks = Turks

[@NantokaNejako]

???

[@tobiasboston7795]

​@@NantokaNejakoJust a troll

[@kristaps5296]

Turkalbanians = Turkish tribe from Caucasus

[@southepirote7676]

Latin language, nothing unique

[@tobiasboston7795]

Like albanian? 😂

[@kristaps5296]

​@@tobiasboston7795 No, that's a Turkish dialect

[@xxx_rotfd_xiii_xii3619]

Ancient Greece is Albanian

[@user-np6bv4hj1f]

little Albanian nationalist☺️

[@uamsnof]

Your mom is Ancient Albanian

[@athinam.4593]

*modern Greece

[@kristaps5296]

​@@athinam.4593 *modern turkalbania (it's not like there's ancient turkalbania, the turkalbanians were brought here from Caucasus in the 16th century)

[@alechianese01]

​@kristaps5296 That's the reason why Albanians are in majority Muslims

[@mega9158]

Ancient Greek is Albanian

[@cartoonnetworkxdrussia]

Bro little albanian nationalist.)

[@NantokaNejako]

hahaha ridiculous

[@kostasfpspro1706]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@athinam.4593]

Not ancient Greece, most of modern Greece is Albanian.

[@E45F678]

​@@athinam.4593 You're not even trolling, are you? You actually believe your own b.s 😂

[@IEthereaI]

*Macedonian better!* 🇲🇰💯

[@E45F678]

🙄

[@uamsnof]

English better

[@NantokaNejako]

No I don't think so. But I wish the Macedonians good luck in dealing with those aggressive Greek and Bulgarian individuals and institutions which are trying to "annihilate" their ethnicity. The Macedonians really deserve better, after even giving up their country's flag, their country's name, and so on. I feel pity for you, really.

[@E45F678]

@@NantokaNejako Please explain in what way Greeks and Bulgarians act "aggressively" towards North Macedonians? Also, you are aware that the reason the name of the country was disputed was because Macedonia (Μακεδονία) is originally Greek and was appropriated by the country now calling themselves North Macedonia? A name they ended up keeping, by the way, so they didn't "give up" anything in that regard. Not to mention the fact that the Vergina Sun/Argead Star was placed on their flag despite it being an Ancient Greek symbol dating back centuries before the Slavs even arrived in the Balkans (6th century AD). Should the Greeks have simply let a foreign nation just steal this from them, along with the name? What is worse, a large population of North Macedonia seems to be under the false impression that what is actually Greek history belongs to them. Many will tell you Alexander the Great was Slavic, although history overwhelmingly disagrees with this ridiculous claim. If anything, the Greeks, their culture, history and identity have been aggressively attacked repeatedly. Greece has done what it can to defend itself.

[@IEthereaI]

@@E45F678 First of all you are showing your aggression basically from your first sentence by not saying *Macedonians.* Even in your Prespa agreement that 70% of Macedonia's population opposed it is written Macedonians and Macedonian language. МАКЕДОНИЈА is Macedonian name we even have several meanings in our Macedonian language. The Sun of Kutlesh with 16 rays is a undeniable Macedonian symbol that was on our old churches way before you dug it from the ground and found about it. So it's natural that it will be on the flag of the Republic of Macedonia. We Macedonians didn't arrive from anywhere we are native to this land unlike you modern greeks who are a mix of turks, albanians and it was found you have Ethiopian Sub-Saharan DNA. Nobody is stealing from you sir *Macedonians were called barbarians* which means someone who does not speak your language and that's *the most powerful proof.* Even if you think Alexander didn't speak today's Macedonian language, the Egyptians speak Arabic instead of egyptian, bulgars speak Slavic instead of turkic and so on. Language is not the only thing that determines an identity. Slavic is not an ethnicity there's 500 000 000 slavic people in the world while greks only 5 mil. You are a new nation from 1830 made by king Otto and you want to have all the history of the world and you think everything is yours?! Macedonian Kingdom and Empire were never ever in history called greek or under a country greece until *1913* when you made hell for the ethnic Macedonians in the Aegean part together with Serbia and Bulgaristan you partioned and divided our homeland in 3 parts with the Bucharest treaty! We the Macedonians lost everything and you have the audacity to say you are being attacked while you live heavenly. We are still bullied by everyone in 2024 and there's so much that I could write but it's useless, it lands on deaf ears unfortunately. God bless ☦️