AJ's Bolt Action Series Ep 1: Starting Historical Wargaming [US vs Germans 500pnt]

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AngryJoe & Jay explore the World of Historical Tabletop Wargaming in partnership with Warlord games the leading company in the hobby! How does the game compare to other popular systems and what it is like to play a small game? Find out in this Starter Battle Report!
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@sebaszane
@sebaszane Жыл бұрын
Bolt Action is an awesome alternative for people like me who have no idea wtf is happening in Warhammer reports, please keep up these uploads
@lee2win
@lee2win Жыл бұрын
I love Warhammer but I have a love of history so Bolt Action is just great to watch too for me.
@leone9482
@leone9482 Жыл бұрын
How about no board games at all because they're boring as shit
@sebaszane
@sebaszane Жыл бұрын
lmao if you think so. Joe should probably make a separate channel for his games like this. Wouldn't be too hard.@@leone9482
@246epic
@246epic 8 ай бұрын
@@leone9482ur boing as shit
@ThyDrunkenSailor
@ThyDrunkenSailor Жыл бұрын
I never really had anyone to play stuff like this with, but I had several sets when I was a kid and loved, and I mean, absolutely loved setting them up around my house within scenarios of battle. You just brought back such some great Memories.
@zioalecpov1815
@zioalecpov1815 Жыл бұрын
20:48 well that's not true if at the end of a turn and enemy unit Is closer to your transport then your unit It's considered destroyed, but if you assault It you still need to roll for damage
@ZenJooj
@ZenJooj Жыл бұрын
I make movie reviews heavily inspired by aj's old style with a skit in the beginning followed by a brief discussion and sometimes an additional skit (like the saints row music vid if u know abt that) I hope you boys will give my stuff a chance
@Cenot4ph
@Cenot4ph Жыл бұрын
This channel has become tv and movie reviews with news and board games. The reviews are the old days of this show, I can feel Joe doesn't want to do them much
@dougrattmann3554
@dougrattmann3554 Жыл бұрын
I mean yeah, the game reviews have actual effort put into them, so they take longer to make. He has to pay his bills, and videos are his career. Thus, the logical thing to do is to pump out side content while you work on the main videos.
@racc626
@racc626 Жыл бұрын
to be honest there’s just not a whole lot of games to review at the moment, especially any big titles so it’s understandable, there’s always been review droughts throughout the channels’ history.
@Cenot4ph
@Cenot4ph Жыл бұрын
​@racc1837 this year has been the best in gaming since over a decade. So no, plenty of material.
@thegreatbum2446
@thegreatbum2446 Жыл бұрын
​@@racc626 Not a whole lot of games to review? Are you serious?
@ShayneRawls
@ShayneRawls Жыл бұрын
Jay seems way too concentrated on winning lol. Seems like one of those guys who isn't having fun if he's losing lol
@TheKodiak72
@TheKodiak72 Жыл бұрын
Unlike modern 40k.. This actaully looks like a battle field! 3rd to 5th 40k used to be like this. I hate the terrain for 9th/10th. Too focused on competitive play.
@timothyferguson4248
@timothyferguson4248 Жыл бұрын
YES!!! Joe!!! Thanks for revisiting Bolt Action my dude!
@Neatqt
@Neatqt Жыл бұрын
i fucking love Jay. That interaction where the sniper killed the truck on the bridge was hilarious
@kevinthecleric
@kevinthecleric Жыл бұрын
This was super entertaining! I never watch these, and I really need to more often. Kind of want to buy some Bolt Action sets now, so thanks for that
@LordGhousty
@LordGhousty Жыл бұрын
Next time someone brings out a British commonwealth, be sure to incorporate Wojtek, he grants a reroll to ranging-in attempts to a singular mortar or howitzer, great mini to boot
@DailyCorvid
@DailyCorvid Жыл бұрын
This is the first time I ever saw this game, and your comment really sells it. I am well into this game after 3 mins of the video :D Warhammer kind of went off it recently, but yes this is the stuff.
@StressfulGengar
@StressfulGengar Жыл бұрын
​​@@DailyCorvidbest part as well is that Warlord Games isn't as suffocating of homebrewed/homemade units, models, etc as Games Workshop is. If you own a 3D printer there is a massive community for terrain, aircraft, etc to help flesh out your games
@cavemanbum
@cavemanbum Жыл бұрын
Bolt Action is a fabulous rules set. And while I encourage people to support Warlord Games, you don't necessarily have to use 'official' models to play the game. There are tons of alternative models for the numerous forces available in the game, so playing Bolt Action doesn't break the bank, and you can play with what models you want. For example, I don't like the fact that Warlord vehicles are 1/56 scale (which I think is much too small); I built and painted 1/48 scale vehicles that I picked up from traditional model manufacturers, and I feel the models are much more appropriate.
@KonaSuba
@KonaSuba Жыл бұрын
Yo Bolt Action is so fun!
@andrewhopkins
@andrewhopkins Жыл бұрын
So happy about this! Amazing. Thanks for partnering with warlord games and doing more bolt action. Warlord games can be hit or miss but bolt action, black seas, and judge dredd are great. Also like cruel seas but don’t feel it’s very balanced.
@SmokeRingHalo
@SmokeRingHalo Жыл бұрын
Nice table terrain setup.
@Spawn3X5
@Spawn3X5 Жыл бұрын
Duhhhhh....but Joe wheres the AnGrY rEvIeWs!!???!??! Like wtf omg i gonna unsub And throw a tantum cause im entitled 😣😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@riyaad7419
@riyaad7419 Жыл бұрын
Ikr those people are so annoying and entitled. I'm not a fan of board games but I'm glad Joe is uploading what he loves and is passionate about instead of pushing out review just for the sake of it
@simonyork3562
@simonyork3562 Жыл бұрын
@@riyaad7419 good thing these aren't board games (sorry, just being pedantic)
@cavemanbum
@cavemanbum Жыл бұрын
5:36 - Newbies to the game might wonder how come the infantry piling out of the vehicle didn't have the same to-hit number as the vehicle itself (i.e., '5' vs. '6': 3+cover+small target), given that the infantry moved as well. It's important to mention that U.S. troops firing with M1s and BARs don't suffer the -1 shooting penalty when moving due to the army's special rules of "Fire & Maneuver". 😉
@Gizmok24
@Gizmok24 Жыл бұрын
The tabletop wargaming videos are amazing :)
@juanblanco5457
@juanblanco5457 Жыл бұрын
Only if you're into it......
@Gizmok24
@Gizmok24 Жыл бұрын
@@juanblanco5457 Why would you watch the videos if you were not into it lol
@tomj.7599
@tomj.7599 Жыл бұрын
The table looks great and the terrain here s more important than in boring WH40k.
@1krani
@1krani Жыл бұрын
Woohoo! Bolt Action. But will Joe be able to resist the siren sci-fi call of Konflikt-47?
@gonzo1the1first
@gonzo1the1first Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Good for you guys for branching out with your content!
@simonyork3562
@simonyork3562 Жыл бұрын
Awesome table @AngryJoeShow
@DailyCorvid
@DailyCorvid Жыл бұрын
Angry Joe you absolute GENIUS this is the first video in over a year I have been like SHIT I GOTTA WATCH RIGHT THIS SECOND! Something totally new, but still AJ sort of content. Please start doing tonnes of historical warfare! Oh please God let this be a series. Amazing, KZbin is going dead but the green shoots of recovery are here :) F'n excellent Joe and Jay!
@ChiipGames
@ChiipGames Жыл бұрын
Been playing Bolt action for a bit, and it is my favourite wargaming game ^^
@angrymexikan9493
@angrymexikan9493 Жыл бұрын
Go Jay!! Kick his angry ass
@Solbadgreg
@Solbadgreg Жыл бұрын
If Joe is playing Americans, i believe they have the M1 Gaurand special rule where they dont get a -1 move penalty for shooting those semiautomatic rifles.
@joshual6305
@joshual6305 Жыл бұрын
That's correct.
@Solbadgreg
@Solbadgreg Жыл бұрын
@@joshual6305 Just went back to check. Its the US's special rule "Fire and Maneuver." It applies to M1 Garand/Carbines and BARs. Such a fun wargame system. I miss playing this game. T_T
@andrewhopkins
@andrewhopkins Жыл бұрын
Great bat rep but you need to start by showing the factions/models
@sirbobulous
@sirbobulous Жыл бұрын
Another good WW2 wargame worth looking at is Flames of War. At 15mm scale the models are smaller so the game plays up at a 'reinforced company' level rather than the 'reinforced platoon' level you get in Bolt Action. For when you want to run 20 Shermans over some Nazis :D
@THENEVERDEADIV
@THENEVERDEADIV Жыл бұрын
so this is basically the same game me and my kids play with the army men, poker chips and dice
@DailyCorvid
@DailyCorvid Жыл бұрын
I never even knew this was a thing, I love it! Yeah but now I have to find actual real life friends who play board games lol.
@THENEVERDEADIV
@THENEVERDEADIV Жыл бұрын
@@DailyCorvid the only friends i have like that play D&D at the comic shop in the city i work in and in their oversized basement where they have built an entire island out of Styrofoam and duct tape lol. My middle child will play these sometimes. I have alot of D&D sets and campaigns but never have actually had the chance to play with anyone. ive played a couple times in a virtual community similar to how you see people play on role 20.
@DDVargas1983
@DDVargas1983 Жыл бұрын
Always awesome to see games beyond GW being shown on a larger channel. Maybe one day the team will do Battletech/Alpha Strike.
@chuck11duck64
@chuck11duck64 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see some Bolt Action stuff. Your personality really brings a lot to the battle reports.
@Bodkin_Ye_Pointy
@Bodkin_Ye_Pointy 7 ай бұрын
So a few questions as a new starter to Bolt Action. Q1. The US Engineer squad has a flame thrower, two BAR's (LMG's) and apparently two machine guns? Maybe the rules are different for the US forces but how many machine guns can you field in a squad, particularly an understrength squad? Q2. The US troops are facing early war Germans??? Are the second squad Heer, standard German infantry, which makes sense because no armour, or Grenadiers which are an elite-ish unit? They can't be both. Q3. What was with the shot at Game Workshop. I hear this a bit on Bolt Action vid's. You guys are so intimidated by GW you can't miss a chance to troll them? Why can't you just play and enjoy this game. I play about 20 different wargaming systems without rancour on any of them. By the way, you do know that the designers of Bolt Action were former GW developers right. Q4. What the hell is a Belford armoured car? No mention of the guns in it by the way. From what I can make out the vehicle is an SdKfz222 light armoured car with an anti-aircraft gun squeezed in, lets not go with the rest of it. So I am thinking, if you and the other videos I have seen have this inferiority complex about GW where you have to troll them, and your historical continuity is all over the place without context or explanation, and this is representative of the Bolt Action community, I will only be gaming with my son only. We don't need the toxicity or historical ignorance. We can game other systems in games clubs.
@dm3280
@dm3280 Жыл бұрын
When's your Baldur's Gate 3 review coming?
@Bigfelloh
@Bigfelloh Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this I love bolt action
@davidnorris8724
@davidnorris8724 Жыл бұрын
Those explosion tokens are bitchin 🔥
@LaMOi1
@LaMOi1 6 ай бұрын
Oooooo as an old school AJ fan - and only recently got into mini’s and board gaming…. I find myself pleasantly surprised in finding this video…….
@travis8106
@travis8106 6 ай бұрын
I don't know what it is, but it feels like every wargame that isn't 40k has AMAZING terrain. Why is that?
@nicktalbot3310
@nicktalbot3310 3 ай бұрын
Outstanding game! Love BA! Cool video & a beautiful table! Thanks for sharing!
@TheTriforcekeeper
@TheTriforcekeeper Жыл бұрын
The moral tests and the whole roll to do what feels like anything at all (moving vehicle, getting out of it) seem way too swingy. Losing 50% of a squad and not being able to move at all to one bad roll you can do nothing about doesn't sound fun to me personally.
@awake3112
@awake3112 Жыл бұрын
Loving this stuff
@Shiner32
@Shiner32 8 ай бұрын
You forgot your national bonus, no -1 to hit after Americans move. (Germans get an extra dice for machine guns)
@AstaIsAMonster
@AstaIsAMonster Жыл бұрын
Another Banger 💪🏽
@Titus_Vespasianus
@Titus_Vespasianus Ай бұрын
Curious where you got your rectangular bases from...
@khartog01
@khartog01 Жыл бұрын
It's called bolt action, but AJ's team uses semi-automatic rifles.
@reignjuste
@reignjuste Жыл бұрын
Joe review on Baldurs gate 3 when you can
@Cenot4ph
@Cenot4ph Жыл бұрын
😂 I think you know the answer on this one already
@TheMostSlyFox
@TheMostSlyFox Жыл бұрын
Love the Company of Heroes 1 music!
@Neatqt
@Neatqt Жыл бұрын
@AngryJoeShow Sell some dice!
@Mr_Chode
@Mr_Chode Жыл бұрын
Would be cool if i had a $1k to drop on this
@Prawnsacrifice
@Prawnsacrifice Жыл бұрын
We lost gaming reviews for warhammer 😢....
@sekiro5091
@sekiro5091 Жыл бұрын
Aj plays warhammer on his days off. According to Aj your still getting the same amount of game reviews every year
@ZaWardo151
@ZaWardo151 Жыл бұрын
Ehh maybe but realistically all we see nowadays is a a lot of WH stuff and the news that he does with other joe and that Alex dude don’t really like him that much he reminds me of a tool I used to server with
@Prawnsacrifice
@Prawnsacrifice Жыл бұрын
@sekiro5091 its simply not true when you look tho
@Cenot4ph
@Cenot4ph Жыл бұрын
​@sekiro5091 yea I doubt it. You can tell Joe is not that interested in doing reviews
@gearlord1968
@gearlord1968 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if he could just make another channel dedicated to board games…… that way people that actually care can keep up and those who want to keep notifications on but not be reminded of every time he plays a board game can both be happy but angry joe is either lazy or depressed as he will never actually put in work for his fan bases yes I said bases cause we are not United it’s called constructive criticism the same I way I can supposedly ignore the notifications I get hit with like 4 times a week getting my hopes up that the man actually put out a video I might care about, you can ignore this comment….
@simonh8441
@simonh8441 Жыл бұрын
No need to bring that negativity around here, if you don't like it then don't watch it. He clearly puts lots of work in for his viewers
@dougrattmann3554
@dougrattmann3554 Жыл бұрын
you know you can just ignore the notification, right? Making a second channel is pointless.
@nemarsde
@nemarsde Жыл бұрын
US employing the Chinese short attack with only three squads. AJ has balls, got to give him that.
@DJChipsandGarlic
@DJChipsandGarlic Жыл бұрын
my son has the band of brothers starter set still boxed from christmas. im gonna have to get that shit opened soon!!!!!! XD
@TheGamingPile
@TheGamingPile Жыл бұрын
Just getting into this after my brother bought me the starter set, what would you recommend for expanding the collection beyond that?
@ddmalarkey
@ddmalarkey Жыл бұрын
Goddamnit Joe! Now you're playing Bolt Action, too?!! You absolute legend
@C0m3TSw1tch
@C0m3TSw1tch Жыл бұрын
This was a great little taste and the explanations really helped me as a complete noob. Really looking forward to getting into this game.
@andrewhopkins
@andrewhopkins Жыл бұрын
Talking about list building, if you’re German never pick the stug. It’s too expensive for what it is (despite historically being one of the most important and numerous German tanks). Always pay marginally more for the much better panzer 4.
@Aur0ra145
@Aur0ra145 10 ай бұрын
Nice video, keep 'em coming!
@Johnny-Thunder
@Johnny-Thunder Жыл бұрын
Great to see Joe doing Bolt Action, I started playing this game myself recently.
@adamc7499
@adamc7499 Жыл бұрын
It's pretty exciting that, after all of these years, Joe has turned to BA!
@4fr0pl
@4fr0pl Жыл бұрын
I love BA, the dice pickup mechanics is great for turnbased game
@SEdwards2881
@SEdwards2881 Жыл бұрын
Bolt action rules for me have always been more enjoyable then 40K
@GarredHATES
@GarredHATES Жыл бұрын
Why is Joe playing a historical, he’s not 50 years old yet!
@rakatika
@rakatika Жыл бұрын
The transport on the front lines getting destroyed was hilarious
@arn_ice
@arn_ice Жыл бұрын
If anyone knows, I maybe missed it in the intro. What is that German armoured car that almost looks like the Sdkfz 251 hanomag half track (but isn't)?
@arn_ice
@arn_ice Жыл бұрын
Ah I suddenly remembered the Sdkfz 257, I think the same that had a version that could shift from being tracked to wheeled (and back). This, if I'm right, being the fully wheeled version.
@renesiegburg8955
@renesiegburg8955 Жыл бұрын
Im not big on board gmaes but this would have me start
@gastondelacaze4863
@gastondelacaze4863 Жыл бұрын
What the hell is happening with the game reviews? It’s not even a joke anymore. From all the content you guys are dropping, 10% is gaming stuff
@joshual6305
@joshual6305 Жыл бұрын
Most video games are trash. I have no purchased a game in 2 or 3 years and do not feel that I've missed anything
@PBJT292
@PBJT292 Жыл бұрын
True gaming is coming back to the table. Corporate encroachment on video game development has destroyed the art form and made it less relevant than it’s tangible counterparts. Book readers know that the content found on the page blows what you can find on the screen out of the water, but there was a golden age of cinema where that wasn’t true…..but again corporate encroachment killed the art form. Join us on the table brother. It is the only way.
@nikolakostic5667
@nikolakostic5667 Жыл бұрын
Is this what people used to do before video games?
@simonyork3562
@simonyork3562 Жыл бұрын
This is what we do at the same time as video games
@nikolakostic5667
@nikolakostic5667 Жыл бұрын
@@simonyork3562 daymm, and I thought I had lots of free time
@shogunatevizard7766
@shogunatevizard7766 Жыл бұрын
GG Jay!
@LazarheaD
@LazarheaD Жыл бұрын
I'm sure glad AJ is putting effort into this, instead of game reviews...
@caiomiqueri
@caiomiqueri Жыл бұрын
Joe, you have to review Baldur's Gate 3 man!!!!!
@pablopablo3834
@pablopablo3834 Жыл бұрын
Its going to take them ages to finish and even more time if they do all the side content. Even the people who got the game a week early almost all of them I have seen haven't finished the main story. I saw one guy who claimed he finished it and didn't do almost any of the side content but he could also be lying because nobody is going to want to ask for proof.
@iaction9157
@iaction9157 Жыл бұрын
Gg wp
@janpajdak1236
@janpajdak1236 Жыл бұрын
This hack hasn't even talking about Baldur's Gate 3, he now thinks he's a film reviewer and everything else he thinks he is. Guy I don't care what you thought of Oppenheimer.
@davidadams6863
@davidadams6863 Жыл бұрын
@phichau90
@phichau90 Жыл бұрын
No more game reviews 😔😔
@milanradojevic8266
@milanradojevic8266 Жыл бұрын
No news on Baldurs Gate 3, no playing .... nothing ... 👎
@sekiro5091
@sekiro5091 Жыл бұрын
He's reviewing baldur's gate 3.
@BigJoeMufferaw784
@BigJoeMufferaw784 Жыл бұрын
Baldurs gate? Who cares?
@charanico
@charanico Жыл бұрын
No video games to review huh
@XRISTIANIN.496
@XRISTIANIN.496 Жыл бұрын
КОНЕЧНО ЖЕ ТЫ ВЫБИРАЙ АД ИЛИ РАЙ
@ianbonner2595
@ianbonner2595 Жыл бұрын
Hey Joe, Look I know I'm some fucking nobody making a post on a video I, frankly, didn't watch, but somethings gotta be said about Baldur's Gate. I looked for an email address I could send this to but didn't see one. This game is the change we've been waiting for. It is the new GOLD STANDARD for the industry. The response from the AAA devs has been (paraphrasing) "this is not the standard, it is an anomaly." That CANNOT be the response. You have one of the biggest and most influential voices on the platform and you HAVE to say something. Fuck waiting for the review. This has GOT to be addressed before these companies think they can slip back into the status-quo. Look, sorry to do it like this but I had to say something. Please say something before the AAA devs have a chance to bury Larian's masterpiece. Respectfully and sincerely; Thanks
@kadeh2661
@kadeh2661 Жыл бұрын
Another tabletop playthrough... where are the games Joe?!?!
@simonyork3562
@simonyork3562 Жыл бұрын
This is a game....
@tambotc138
@tambotc138 Жыл бұрын
This is in retort as they won't it seems as it's pointless but I do it hoping you become a better person learning from what you probably think there's nothing to learn to a certain someone that your most recent comments. You already made your hour long video in the form of comments not only towards there channel, but I see you going after viewers and comments done below the video too. Probably gonna go after these the same way. You also not only showed and pointed by name and image that persons message clearly showing what your doing but you don't have to say hypocritical to be hypocritical. Yes the said it first but because you where described by that very word first. Also you said it's embarrassing and shame on other joe and Alex encouraging your behavior and thinking in some of your videos. You didn't even read those twisted metal comments all the way and if read through there just normal opinions yes a little hype but not a problem so why bring them out specifically. You keep walking around other things not only discussed before but keep repeating yourself on clickbait and insisting it's the major problem when it wasn't before the central focus or one to make a million comments not only to another KZbinr but random individuals too. Also what's wrong specially when you bring up definition of clickbait not only is it not a problem and almost everyone does it but I'm sure some of your videos fall under that. I bet your would just be the same repeating yourself anger but you did a comment equivalent of it thinking people won't notice and your the only one bragging about crap like making a similar video as well. Your are without allot of context too so it makes your comments not only repetitive by clueless sounding on many fronts but why should I tell you, you did that part to yourself when writing such clueless comments circling the same things over and over. Also on how sensitive he's being your very comments existing are of that same thing once again you don't have to say hypocrite to be one. Also the stuff you say is lies are not only you inserting words into there mouth but have been debunked in video once more your without context. The enemy of my enemy is thy friend take that and understand it for the future might help in your case. Also the is this hour long video on my comment first off gotta ask which one you made quite a bit and pretty long ones too like this one. They said that there not trying to be part of some culture war even if they accidentally are so are you just for your comments and more you have done both recent and in the past. What say he has shad bots I read that to my friend he laughed and said it sounds like a name some console war culture like Xbot or Sony pony cringe so is your audience Joe bots to you and if not better debunk it cause your ego is saying otherwise. Because part of there audience might be part of your audience I would be careful how you word things as well as the motivations behind those words. The rest of your comment made me lose brain cells and more repeating with lack of context behind it. I watched your stuff more than his but at least they are calm collective and well spoken in how they debunked every KZbinr defends themselves when such things are done it's no different for them yes it's a short thing at first but instead of being an adult you showed real toxic masculinity through childish constant retorts in the comments. Did you know you became a meme to me and my friends on several dumb things you got angry over such as getting mad at a child's game with a childish response such as superman doesn't use a gun and while you are joking and laughing your clearly taking it seriously just like you where when bringing up knights watch comment. I don't care for woke stuff and wish there where better words to replace those ones which there are but that doesn't mean you keep using abusive language trying to get last word on that person. Like I said I hope you learn from your mistakes and don't let the universe just revolve around you your doing more harm than good.
@tambotc138
@tambotc138 Жыл бұрын
Sorry there are spelling errors and such I had trouble trying to find and fix so it might be a bit jumbled but hopefully it comes across all the same I am just sick of seeing so many of my favorite KZbinrs fall and crumble, it sucks too see. Also if calling his audience bots in return some of his audience might be yours and I am proof of that but see more ignorance and blindness on your end does that mean your attacking people like me too? I told my friend that and he said it sounds like it yeah, nuff said.
@Cenot4ph
@Cenot4ph Жыл бұрын
Enormous slab of text that people won't read, just an FYI
@Vaedran
@Vaedran 4 ай бұрын
Points for OG Medal of Honor soundtrack 🫡
@BigJoeMufferaw784
@BigJoeMufferaw784 Жыл бұрын
Cool miniatures, but it's sad that the symbol got left out. However offended, you might be to see a swastika it's erasing a part of history. However, dark that part of history might be.
@joshual6305
@joshual6305 Жыл бұрын
Warlord does not send the models with that symbol. Only the cross symbol used for air identification
@squaeman_2644
@squaeman_2644 Жыл бұрын
But they've got a hammer and scikle on the Soviets...
@adammintern3927
@adammintern3927 Жыл бұрын
boring
@squaeman_2644
@squaeman_2644 Жыл бұрын
Nah
@adammintern3927
@adammintern3927 Жыл бұрын
@@squaeman_2644 i should of said not for me
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