Animal-based vs. Carnivore. A friendly debate with Anthony Chaffee, MD

[@valbundee7362]

Finally got the debate everyone in carnivore community been waiting for. You guys are awesome for this.

[@katherinefiori]

💯👏

[@darkfieldcarnivore3928]

Sorry, but no one with logic was waiting for this. The glucose fatty-acid cycle is demonstrable and not open for debate. Chaffee will look younger and live a far healthier life as he ages than the FructoseMD will.

[@dougprosser6964]

⁠Aren’t you confident.

[@Veronica-P]

@@darkfieldcarnivore3928 fructoseMD 😂 (good one) said he doesn't know who Bart Kay is, yeah, right. He doesn't like what Bart says. FructoseMD looks 10 years older than Chaffee but I think he's only a couple of years older. He looks older than Dr Berry yet Dr Berry is older than FructoseMD.

[@mrlongman]

​@@darkfieldcarnivore3928you seem so happy and healthy

[@cabolynn]

It's ok to disagree. It's also very refreshing to see two grown men sit down and have a discussion without letting ego get in the way. Thank you!

[@JennifertxCarnivore]

Dr. Chaffee doesn’t have an ego.

[@cabolynn]

That's what's so refreshing about him. He is a very humble person.@@JennifertxCarnivore

[@carsengobber5904]

Paul definitely has a bigger ego. But these guys gotta figure it out. They’re fighting for the same side on a major cause and they, more than anything should be very “buddy buddy” as they say.

[@JennifertxCarnivore]

@@carsengobber5904 Paul does not like Dr. Berry at all. His face showed it when they debated.

[@annellacannella5674]

What? Nobody gets called a bigot or a fascist? I didn’t even know that was still possible.

[@shadiaesen9218]

I felt exactly like Dr. Chaffee mentioned Though I'm not overweight always went to bed tired and woke up tired, I could not go out without my glasses on, I could not look directly into people's eyes, and my husband constantly told me I look tired and always cut him off by saying we have 4 kids what do you expect and after 2 weeks on carnivore I feel better than in teenager years, I give all glory to GOD.

[@LuisC7]

Oj really carnivore fixed it for you?? We're you animal based before?

[@ianstuart5660]

Amazing, big congrats!

[@ForObviousReason]

You’re going to feel like that if you lost weight, and cut the bullshit out of your diet regardless of whether you go carnivore or not. You’d probably feel 99% better just getting your diet down to salads with chicken breast, but Paul is most certainly right. Over time, your hormones are going to tank, your sleep will suffer, your muscles will demand potassium. Meat and fruit is vastly superior to a strict meat only diet.

[@markambrose66]

What was causing ur issues?

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

What magical nutrients r there in meat where you make this amazing recovery within a few weeks ? I never had any idea a recovery could be so so quick when it takes months to improve blood markers . Do you think a 10 cents a day supplement resolved this issue ? The corpses U 🐯chomp on are supplemented 💊 seems pretty stopid to recycle supplements through a animal rather than supplement directly from the source . No health authority anywhere in the world recommends this diet . Says it all really .

[@jamesmcclure3502]

This is how two MEN talk. Very respectful towards each other yet incredibly intentional with their own experiences and message

[@JessicaLivingOnPurpose]

Dr chaffee is so nice, humble, respectful, and mature. He is relationally intelligent and a great communicator.

[@jessie9653]

I have to agree 😊

[@CaptainHieronymusLex]

Also friggin seggsy

[@fab9223]

Dr Chafee was the man that convinced me to do carnivore and Saladino convince me to add fruit and my life has been improved thanks to both of you. I really enjoyed this and I want to express immense gratitude for what you both do. Absolutely love both of you. Keep Doing what you’re doing.

[@raleighkathman214]

Same here. I think they’re both very close to the spectrum of an optimal diet

[@lifeinsuranceguru]

Saladino is the guy that got me into carnivore. He was actually a carnivore when he wrote his book and made his first 50 or so videos. Chaffee completely debunked saladino and is the guy that got me away from fruit and back to a true 100% carnivore diet. And I felt much better since.

[@frederichominh3152]

Dr Saladino is a psychologist, he knows nothing about the damage done to the body by fructose and he is pulling his stupid theory out of his hat, most probably to justify his addiction for sweetness, which is borderline criminal. Now that you have listened to him because he tells things you like, listen to physiology researchers like prof Bart Kat or clinicians like prof Wesmann, they'll teĺl you some uncomfortable facts about fructose and the Randle cycle.

[@surfboarding5058]

@@lifeinsurancegurufruit is a drug and you can get away with it if you surf every morning for 2-3 hours if you’re sedentary in a prison 10 hours a day it does not quite work the same

[@furio5415]

@@lifeinsurancegurudid you ever get muscle cramps

[@Carnivore-Brent]

One of the biggest problems I see in society is our failure to intentionally work on improving our emotional reactions to the disagreements of others with our opinions and beliefs. Embracing disagreement, welcoming skepticism, and responding to criticism in an amicable, respectful, and honorable manner is so important. This is one of the main reasons I find your information so credible. You should consider branching out and collaborating in discussions of some other topics outside your fields of expertise. That would be cool.

[@mmdrodrigues]

Very true. It's because it puts underdeveloped egos in check. It's all downhill from there.

[@thearmy88ify]

Thats a subjective take which depicts the average lazy westerner of today. Either way, doing something good part of the time is better than never at all.

[@davidrn2473]

Agree, such as folks who worship at the Climate Change altar

[@Kya_._Papaya]

I wish everyone had this belief. The world and especially the US would make so much more progress

[@AP-op4rc]

⁠@@Kya_._Papaya It is a dark thought to be imagining all that we could have accomplished by now if not for stubborn ego and arrogance, as well as corrupted motives.

[@jessicab87]

I love how Dr. Chaffee says his “plants are trying to kill you” speech exactly the same every time, and I always say it along with him! 😂

[@No_Frills_Carnivore]

Makes me smile 😊

[@LaurieR2255]

I love saying it to people. Especially my friends who are high carb, low fat, boneless, skinless white meat chicken types with lots of "healthy" vegetables...when they complain about their joint pain, snoring, inability to sleep, and or lose weight. "Plants are trying to kill you! 😂"

[@deloresrobinson1958]

Me too!💞

[@schwarzmann1]

"Looking for a T.A. cackling in the background"

[@bigyin2794]

❤

[@AJ_Alive]

Paul saladino- doesn’t eat salad Ken berry - doesn’t eat berries Shaun baker - doesn’t bake Anthony chaffeine - doesn’t drink caffeine 😮

[@catsrus2890]

😂🤣

[@marietheresa1709]

I know it’s a bit confusing! And then you have plant based athletes that do great.

[@AJ_Alive]

@@marietheresa1709 plant based is terrible.

[@Elle_Marie_]

😂😂

[@ordinaryvalley]

Brilliant 😂

[@carnivorousrachlmt]

I think most people don’t realize that fruit today is drastically different that of fruit 100-125 years ago. Glad they had a great conversation!

[@catsrus2890]

It's still better than processed crap sugar.

[@zamfirtoth6441]

On most of the planet fruit is seasonal with its main purpose being to fatten us up to survive winter. And yes, modern fruit is so much different than nature intended.

[@Jwhite198620]

Our ancestors would have ate seasonally when UV was higher to deplete deuterium which is higher in fruits. Excess deuterium can gunk up the nanomotors of the mitochondria. Being outdoors in good uv is a way to deplete deuterium. When you are eating fruit during the mid winter at a low uv index being mostly covered up and indoors, you are messing with one of the most important systems in the body. Paul is hanging out near the equator getting baked with excess sun and doing extreme amounts of activities. This will help keep the system, when consuming large amounts of fruits. Regular people living in upper latitudes need to be very smart about consuming fruit, honey and starches all year.

[@Robinhood179]

I agree, fruit is ok if eaten seasonally. Exactly like our ancestors would have eaten them.

[@MayBlake_Channel]

​@@Robinhood179 i saw a video where a man whi advocated for fruit consumption made an important caveat that "fruit is made for the market, not the man"

[@ismaelsanchez8629]

I’ve been waiting for these two coming together for ages!! THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU BOTH DO!!

[@lesleewatson4266]

Doctor Hero’s!! Paul stating that he “wants people to be curious and be empowered to be their own healers” WOW! These kinds of doctors are helping to reshape our world. An authentic and respectful conversation. Please keep being leaders in this area. We need you. ❤Thank you

[@bwnco]

Docs hate those kind of people.. Ask my PA.. LOL

[@AahyiSam]

@@bwnconot all Doctors. Lots of us with this mindset…

[@GBow503]

I’m so appreciative of both of you for not only the information you provide independently but also for having such a polite, honest, and interesting conversation. Thank you

[@kathleenhockin8057]

So glad Dr. Chaffee mentioned that adding fruit, honey and juice can be really dangerous for people with carb and sugar addictions. I added honey to hot water and lemon for a couple of days because I had a really sore throat with a cold and cough. It was enough to make me start really craving sweets of all kinds again. It would be disastrous for me to add any sort of sweet tastes to my diet.

[@DUBLL100]

Get a grip then.. that’s what a child does is gets sugar cravings not a grown human

[@kylemckinney_22]

​@@DUBLL100exactly just because you are not disciplined enough to eat carbs in moderation does not mean they are bad.

[@DUBLL100]

@@kylemckinney_22 init! I don’t sound to be mean it’s just just if you don’t have self control over carbs then it’s gunna be a pretty bad way to live! I find with abit of honey and fruit you’re body knows how much it needs!

[@tommyhutchinson6482]

@@DUBLL100 it doesn't 'need' it.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Can you imagine the people who have no control over eating meat so they would be forced to give up meat? Crazy but there are more Jeffrey Dahmer types than the world wants to admit. Sad. Some very sick people who can't control themselves around drugs, alcohol, sugar, or meat. Other have no control in life in general and become Jeffrey Epstein types. Bill gates types. Sad. Don't fear life or a carb, seek help and support. Generally these issues require a short isolation for general life to find the tools required. Help is not found on the internet. Need real life interventions. God bless.

[@kellyulrich3802]

49 year old female, very active my whole life. Tried no meat 2 years, no processed foods ever and I don't eat sugar: tired, weak, achey all over, gassy 24/7, muscle loss, anxiety through the roof, cognitive ability declining etc. 1 MONTH CARNIVORE: gained 5 pounds of muscle, more than doubled the weight I am lifting, core is solid as a rock, more solid than my 20s, no back flab at all (I am perimenopausal), mind and focus clearer, and anxiety is disappearing, joint pain decreasing. No gas, elimination is normal. ENOUGH SAID, CARNIVORE FOR LIFE.

[@logiclanguagelearningFrench]

And are you eating any fruit with this ??

[@fuhnuq]

@@logiclanguagelearningFrenchno animal liver is vitamin packed

[@jennprescott2757]

@@fuhnuqshe’s asking op

[@BeKind419]

Gained 5lbs of muscle mass in one month. And lost fat. Wowzer. Sounds too good to be true. What type of weight lifting? Please do explain.

[@cece9770]

Same!!! 45, perimenopausal, was primarily plant based for about the last 20 years. Add fibromyalgia. I started this diet in March, and have had the same experience you described. I have never felt so good. Best decision I’ve ever made.

[@catb4918]

When Dr Chaffee says all his aches pains 'allergies' etc went away when he stopped eating vegetables I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. Because it happened to me also when I went mostly carnivore. I feel a lot better, all the little naggy aches pains afflictions etc have vanished even, for the first time I my life!, all my sugar cravings are GONE. I don't even want any of those 'keto' snacks. Everything in your body heals! & this is after being LC for 2.5 yrs. I'm a 67 yo fit active metabolically healthy F. Meat eggs butter seafood some dairy & fruit. Love your content & message Dr Paul!!!

[@irinagiovos5406]

Amazing! What dairy and fruit do you eat?

[@rebeccariley2803]

he's a pretty convincing snake oil salesman

[@garouthetiktokinfluencerhu9731]

@@rebeccariley2803what’s your diet like?

[@nathanshackelford7812]

@@rebeccariley2803LOL.

[@michellesnyder4514]

This is a great example of a healthy debate between two mature human beings. We need more of this in our society today.

[@djj3357]

Been waiting for both of you to have this discussion on a public platform!!! Maybe a little too excited... I read Dr. Saldino's book 'carnivore code' in a few days. Changed my perspective completely. However, as Dr. Saldino eased his stance on fruits, I found Dr. Chaffee. With his strict carnivore approach, my health is as wealthy as its ever been! Thank you both for directing me towards better health!!! I have a tremendous amount of admiration for you! Godspeed 🔥🥩💪🏾

[@ebuka212]

Remember ppl fall off carnivore when they don't take enough fat. When you start out on carnivore, you have enough fat for your body to burn thro. When your body has burned thro this fat, you must take in enough fat otherwise you fall off. You're replacing carbs with fat, not protein - that's the idea. If you eat 8 eggs fried in an excessive amount of tallow everyday, and dousing your meats in excessive amounts of butter; if you're eating butter, drinking ghee everyday; you'll do well on carnivore. It's a fat diet, not a meat diet

[@encinosarah]

I probably agree more with Chaffee than Saladino, especially about salt and organs, but one thing is for sure. Both these doctors look much healthier than any vegan doctor I've ever seen.

[@angieking8868]

Been waiting a long time for this friendly debate, thanks guys❤️

[@harveyastell5809]

I’m been carnivore for 6 weeks blood pressure, I was grade 2 hypertension then grade 1 to High normal now NORMAL, and type 2 glucose is normal of metformin thanks 🙏 you have saved my life

[@86london]

Would you mind sharing what your typical diet looks like on the day to day?

[@partsunknown2852]

@@86londonbeen carnivore for about a year, I have a place called wild fork near me. Not fresh it’s frozen and packaged meat but they have organs elk all sorts of weird cut steaks. Very cool spot. But anyways I buy a 1lb pack of liver that I eat over a week and a half to 2 week period occasionally heart and my day to day is 1.5-2lbs of grass fed ground beef and a grass fed steak. The steak is a Brazilian cut called picanha, it has a big fat cap. I can buy a 2.5-3lb grass feed slab for 40 bucks and I cut 7-8 steaks that I eat throughout the week. I meal prep the steaks and liver on sundays so they’re all ready to go for the week.

[@Livingtabitha]

Holy moly 😳 this is awesome. Super excited. I love the authenticity of both of you. Paul, you’re a beautiful soul and I appreciate you so much. Anthony, your passion for this subject is inspiring. Thank you so much for coming together and making this video. ❤

[@Onlylovelystuff]

He’s not. I did a consult with him. Very narcissistic. Good info tho.

[@Livingtabitha]

@@Onlylovelystuff who? Paul or Anthony?

[@cynthiasmith1457]

Love these two... thank you! Keto to carnivore one month....feel great! I found using a cheap blood sugar monitor ...I use One Touch has made ALL the difference in determining what works for me best. Fruit juice for me shoots up blood surgar.... just like a candy bar! For thoses struggling with weight and any metabolic issues ...please start testing your food reactions!!! Balance your hormones and watch what part foods play. Its amazing!!!! My lipad panel and A1 superb....LDL high but triclicides low and HDL high.

[@hankmaderia7005]

Thank you for the information and for not having ads every few minutes.

[@LaurieR2255]

I love that both of these Docs believe in people..."Take charge of your health. Be empowered patients." Two brilliant doctors who are knowledgeable, great teachers, confident, caring and humble. Amazed how Dr. Chaffee can cite studies and statistics so fluently. I was a Bio major in the 1970's. These podcasts "feed my brain." By the way, Paul, I loved the debate with cardiologist Alo. (You won!) 😂 I am basically a "Chaffee disciple" but give in to seasonal locally grown (New York State) fruits and (imported) avocados a few times a week, because I unexplainably crave both. I have cut coffee back to one cup/day. From 3-4.

[@brandonharris8479]

I have a ton of respect for these two guys. There are also others I follow and I really enjoy these conversations. This is about our health, and wellbeing which is so valuable to us yet still some are brainwashed by the big food industries.

[@dominicluke7]

Wow! A long anticipated podcast. 2 FANTASTIC Doctors debating! God bless you all.

[@ZumbaSunValley]

Thanks!

[@sunnyday6465]

I was mostly vegetarian from about age 17 to 50. Worst mistake I ever made. I did eat eggs, cheese and yogurt but was not getting enough good fats (was also doing vegetable oils). When I added meat my hands and feet stopped being cold all the time and I felt stronger. Now I am 68 and mostly carnivore and fruit. Getting lots of good animal fat. My nerves have never felt better.

[@szililolabu]

Welcome to the club. I was vegan for 18-years. Same thing: cold hands and feet, depression and anxiety. What I learned from it is to avoid the extremes. So I stay away from carnivore which I think is the flipside of vegan. I eat a traditional diet. Foods processed and prepared the way they always have been.

[@AnneMB955]

@@szililolabuCan I ask what you mean by a traditional diet?

[@szililolabu]

@@AnneMB955 sure. I was inspired by the great book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by doctor Weston A Price. A classic from 100 years ago still published and read today. Also the Weston A Price Foundation does great work today. Basically, there's incredible wisdom in how our ancestors prepared food ....whether they were in Alaska, Eastern Asia, Africa or Europe. Key takeaways are fermenting, soaking or sprouting grains and seed foods including beans. Meat, milk, saturated fat and cholesterol are all nutrients and very good for you. The importance of the fat-soluble vitamins A, D & K2. Raw and fermented dairy. The inclusion of fresh fruits and vegetables. Cooking or fermenting many of the veggies that are trendy to eat raw today. Eating liver. They were ahead of their times on most of the above topics and all the influencers on KZbin get a lot of their information from the book and the foundation.

[@katyoduinn3452]

You've just made me realise my ice vegan extremities have normalised since eating meat..... (I did add back in carbs recently after 3 years of carnivore. Was great at first but seemed to go downhill after a while)

[@katyoduinn3452]

​​​@@szililolabuthat's what I'm returning to too, after doing veganism for 15 years, and then carnivore. (Found out fermenting oats 3 days removes all the lectins and phytic acid.... ) veganism nearly killed me. But seed oils and gluten I think were the worst.

[@CarnivorousDude]

Both you guys are saving lives. First and foremost mine

[@user-cl6uj5bn2f]

Loved this episode, so much respect for you both🙏 Dr Chaffee is such a stand-up humble guy 🙌

[@rachaelalbanese1851]

I’m only at the beginning of this podcast and can’t help but comment now- to Anthony testimony on how he went from Whole Foods (not processed) to carnivore based was exactly my experience- I had been eating organic/Whole Foods for years before changing to a more carnivore based diet, eliminating all vegetables minus the fall squash and summer cucumbers. I was AMAZED within the almost immediate increases energy and leave of abdominal bloating/cramping that followed. My body comp now is better than my 20s and 30s with more muscle and less fat (I was always thin, but hard to put on muscle). At 49yo I’m crushing my physical activities and stepped up the podium with my standup paddle board racing. Thanks guys for getting the word out there! Ok, now I’m going to listen to the rest of this..🙌🫶

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

I was primarily on a plant-based whole-food diet with a minimal amount of lean meats occasionally for over two decades. During that time, I developed hypertension, diabetes and other less severe disorders. After going keto for a few years and now carnivore, I managed to reverse my diabetes completely (HbA1c 5.2 & low F insulin) and normalised my blood pressure reading. Any form of sugar like fructose is a big NO NO for my weight gain, sugar spike and insulin spike.

[@maniac577]

Excess fat causes diabetes, not carbs. You didnt cure anything. The only proven way to cure diabetes is a low fat plant based diet

[@FlukeyKent.]

What were you eating. I'm opened minded. But when I see people discredit plant based because they went on some processed Unhealthy Vegan diet packed with Omega 6s from Seed oils, soy and other processed junk like it's the same diet just seems disingenuous to me 😂 For that don't know. You can reverse Type 2 and improve Type 1 on plant based to the point you can be eating carbs 300+ a day depending on how much lipid cell detoxing you need to do to regain some insulin resistance. I don't fully subscribe to anything because I'm always trying out different things. Fruits, some Vegetables & Meats seem to do wonders for people as long their not processed of full of toxins and neuro toxin pesticides.

[@Classicalliberal85]

Tbf I have seen people go whole food plant based that had the same results

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

@@FlukeyKent. Essentially and wholly, I was eating DASH DIET, ADA DIET, AHA DIET.

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

@olenicholls900 Yep. I believe the push for everyone to eat a plant-based diet is driven by financial gain and personal agenda rather than a genuine concern for public and environmental health. My own experience, along with others who have adopted a meat-heavy diet with very little to no plant sugars and toxins, has shown that we were able to reverse the chronic health issues that we developed while eating a predominantly plant-based diet to improve our health.

[@tinakathleen8571]

The not sore post gym work out while eating the carnivore diet is amazing. Good to share this for those brave enough to try it

[@LeeMan8710]

Imagine a vegan that does it but only eats road kill that he killed himself or she or yeah only road kill they knew couldn't be avoided lol

[@ryanrogers8211]

So far I get just as sore from weight training as I ever have. Does this improve with time?

[@garouthetiktokinfluencerhu9731]

@@ryanrogers8211how about you try it out for yourself?😂 Seriously though, why go by a random stranger. I felt the same and my workouts became a little flat. Meaning my strength was up but I wouldn’t be able to last as long with secondary/auxiliary movements that come afterwards. Adding some fruit and honey back into the mix helped with that. At the same time I’d get zero brain fog on carnivore. So that was good. But don’t go by me either, figure it out yourself!🙂

[@ryanrogers8211]

@@garouthetiktokinfluencerhu9731 I was trying it out for myself. It didn’t work and I was asking someone who was further along than me with this diet.

[@icg777J]

This was a great interview. Loved the way they both let each other talk. So polite. Great info. They are two of the best doctors. I hope they do more interviews.❤

[@jaspervincent]

My two favourite internet doctors! I'm going to love this. Thanks!

[@groundedinhex7057]

Love how you’re connecting with others who think similarly or differently…next up Raw Meat discussion. This is a game changer most aren’t ready for

[@carlwatts1230]

Most people who love steak already get quite some raw meat. Usually only the outside is cooked

[@tellingtruthexposinglies1435]

debate with Aajonous

[@Danny-zm5rh]

I'm 83 and I'd rather have died than eat raw meat my whole life or ate like any of these people for that matter. I'm enjoying an ice cold Yoo-hoo on this hot summer day.

[@veniqe]

​@@tellingtruthexposinglies1435He's dead.

[@agustinfodrini]

@@Danny-zm5rh A Cow, to another Cow: "I'm 20 and I'd rather have died than eat GRASS my whole life. I'm enjoying an ice cold *LITERALLY DOESNT EXIST IN NATURE* on this hot summer day".

[@annerepsch]

Both of you are brilliant. Thank you for getting the two of you together.

[@shaunwellman]

I think the best part of the discussion was the simple agreement that if something is working for the individual to keep it up. This really hit home for me and I was nervous going into it because I respect the work of both of these men immensely and didn't want to see a contentious argument between them. I hope they do more of this in the future and I hope more people benefit from the the open exchange of ideas and find relatable meaning for themselves.

[@foodiefueledhealth]

Fantastic opportunity to be able to see Anthony Chaffee MD and Paul Saladino MD talk about their diets and experiences. Thank you both God bless you

[@Casmige]

I’ve a degree in Biology & Nutritive Sciences UIC ‘83 & an RD for the decade of the 90’s. I also have a Theology Degree in Applied Hermeneutics DBU ‘83. I’ve Been a whole-foods, no sugar, no hydrogenated trans fats, vegan vegetarian for right at 40 years for [Supposed] healthy-diet & moral reasons. I’m in my 60’s. Obese, hemorrhoids, idiopathic constipation (my colon literally stopped working when I turned 40 & I’ve had 6 surgeries to remove up to 1/2 of it), non-alcoholic fatty liver, gingivitis & periodontal recession, depression, insomnia, plaque psoriasis, psoriatic & rheumatoid arthritis, plantar fasciitis, tinnitus & hearing loss, lethargy, vision issues, knee’s & hips hurt, Thoracic spondylosis disc degeneration from C3 to C7. I’ve only ever eaten 2MaD with no breakfast meal (aka “intermittent fasting” WAY BEFORE it became en vogue). In my 50’s? I switched to 1MaD. @5’10”? 160lbs In my 20’s 170lbs in my 30’s 180lbs in my 40’s 190lbs in my 50’s 200lbs in my 60’s After studying the matter & seeing the anecdotal evidence?. I’m a week into a cold-turkey adoption/adaptation to an Ovo-Lacto-Carni (eggs, butter, cheese/cream, & beef only) 1MaD regiment as a 3-month experiment. I am of the mind that the Scientific Maxim of hypothesis, testing, observation & correlation - has been subtly serpentinianly supplanted by a hive-mynded don’t-rock-the-boat general [unscientific] “consensus”. With all the Covidian-19 maniacally medical fascist malfeasance & overt tyrannical censorship?, I certainly do not trust what the “health experts” advocate & assert & I question my previous education in the matter as perhaps being covert brainwashing instead.

[@jkem0]

Could you please make a update? How is it going?

[@stefdiazdiaz7067]

It is brainwashing for sure.

[@iloveseaglass]

Yes please update us. Amazing how your health turned

[@wicklinedneesi]

All the best in regaining your health. Hoping that one day all of the maladies listed above will simply be a checklist of all that has been healed.

[@vpfund]

Hope the plant based ills correct for you!

[@peteregan9038]

These are my two favorite guys in this space, so great to have them together.

[@user56gghtf]

You're not alone as a non coffee drinker. I've never been a coffee drinker. It is so weird the reaction I get from other people when I say I don't drink coffee or alcohol. You would think I'm saying I don't drink water.

[@krystalgable]

Ditto!

[@tonyciaramello9835]

I drink hot water with butter!! Got to really like it. Even in restaurants I drink it.

[@tylerdietz7316]

So much health on these video. Absolutely a life changer following these two. Thank you

[@PLA5207]

EXCELLENT conversation gentlemen. I am most grateful to you both for sharing your understandings. God bless each of you and your loved ones. BRAVO! ~Doc Phil (Tennessee, USA)

[@carnivore_dadbod]

Was carnivore for 1.5 years. It was awesome!… switched to Animal Based after cardio was tanking. Weights and cardio perfect on Animal Based

[@inspiringminds7284]

Carnivore is good for a period for most people but Animal Based is better for long term for most.

[@thebobsmith1991]

What is Animal based?

[@carnivore_dadbod]

@@thebobsmith1991 for me it’s beef, chicken, fish, honey, bananas and berries

[@star-warsien]

@@thebobsmith1991 meat, organs, fruit, honey and raw dairy.

[@user56gghtf]

​@@inspiringminds7284Agreed

[@CarnivoreLeo]

Yay! Been waiting for these two doctors to have this conversation.

[@cockroachv]

This is like Iron Man vs Captain America Civil War. Both helped me tremendously on getting me on carnivore diet and it changed my life. So far I’m on Chaffee’s side but major respect to Saladino.

[@catsrus2890]

I was on Chaffee's side too, but it's just not sustainable long-term for most people. I watched every video of his for a year, doing Carnivore/Ketovore, then I started to feel terrible. After adding in fruit and honey, I feel so much better. I like getting my electrolytes from real food instead of supplementing like a lot of Carnivores do. Everyone needs to do what works for them, though.

[@craftingodst3400]

@@catsrus2890 I suppose its just depends on the person and what their body functions best with. We are all different afterall

[@catsrus2890]

@@craftingodst3400 Exactly, we're all different. There is not one diet for everyone nor one way to get healthy.☺️👍

[@dougroberts3643]

​@catsrus2890 I'm curious as to what symptoms you had that improved after adding honey and fruit. I've been ketovore for about 10 months now. I've lost 52 pounds, but I have no energy. I'm wondering if I lost to much weight too fast or if I need to add carbs back into my diet

[@catsrus2890]

@@dougroberts3643 Wow, Doug! You sound like me, although I only lost 20 lbs the whole time. You definitely need to add back in some carbs. Most likely, it's due to electrolyte imbalances. Watch Dr. Saladino's past videos where he talks about he did strict Carnivore for 1.5 years and then he had no energy due to electrolyte imbalances. He said no matter how much supplementing he did, he didn't get better until he added in the fruit and honey. With fruit, you're getting electrolytes from real food instead of supplementing like most of the Carnivores do. So, I was the same, getting worse and worse, with no energy and I could barely exercise. Now, I feel so much better, exercising again, my weight loss is starting again and my blood sugar is actually lower now than it was the whole last year doing Carnivore/Ketovore. After cutting bananas, my favorite fruit, for a year, yay they are back in my diet. It has to be raw unfiltered honey too, a few tablespoons a day. New studies are also showing that long-term ketosis can actually raise cortisol and increase insulin resistance. I've seen other doctors too talk about staying in the state of ketosis is very stressful on the body long-term. Check out Carnivore Dad Bod's channel too, Shawn. He was also Carnivore for over a year and got very lean and muscular, but then had no energy. After adding in fruit and honey in his recent videos, he's doing so much better with his running he says. He's 58. The other thing that really affected me was a comment on one of Dr. Chaffee's videos, where the guy said he was a 15-year strict orthorexic Carnivore and then he got very sick with the electrolyte imbalances. He mentioned he had the dark sunken eyes... as a sign of nutrient deficiency. I think you can start to see that now with Dr. Chaffee and you can definitely see it in Kelly Hogan, and especially with the supposed "40-year Carnivore" Rick Rodriguez who looks really bad with his dark sunken eyes. You can search his name on KZbin if you don't know who he is. So funny, he's also been commenting on Shawn's channel recently that he's going to add in more fruit 😂. He comments as ChargerMopar if you ever see him commenting. I think the biggest problem with Carnivore is that it's just not sustainable long-term for most people, If only from boredom alone. It makes me so angry when I seen videos that just say, oh, just push through it. No, there are real problems if you're not feeling well. Good luck. 🤗

[@johannaquinones7473]

I have to say, I love Paul’s humility. I would trust what he says just because he is not afraid to say, he was wrong, he does not have all the facts

[@Mmmmkaaay]

I think it's phenomenal to have these two men who are very strict with their diets and have been for years. It's interesting to see that they're both healthy and happy, even though they're not eating exactly the same. The beautiful thing about food is that we get to experiment on ourselves. I think carnivore is a great elimination diet. Then when we add things back in ( if we choose), we'll have an accurate gauge for how we feel. Listen to your body. It will never lead you astray!

[@Turbotomass]

Nutrition with Judy debate is what I'm waiting for!

[@Pi2.718]

This dialogue demonstrates class … you both are GREAT ❤❤

[@sherryhuang86]

That was such a great discussion, I appreciate how open the conversation was! You were super respectful towards each other, even if there were things that you two had differing views about. Love to see that!

[@Ketolori]

Great friendly debate! I've learned so much from Dr.Chaffee. Thanks for having him on.

[@michaelstearns3231]

You 2 are awesome....i follow, i watch all your stuff...and learn...so much....thanks to you both...

[@brachms]

Thanks for the discussion. We don't all have to do the same diet as we all have different needs. I crashed my hormones on strict carnivore. I am allergic to dairy so always struggled to get enough fat and calories. My doctor has had me expand to animal based and I feel so much healthier. I now take in a little of natures carbs after I fill up on meat, eggs, and seafood. I eat a little cooked veggies, cocunut products, and fruit. Also been trying to cut back on my fasting too.

[@TheSpecialJ11]

I love coconut milk based sauces to increase the fat content of a pretty lean protein meal. Although I'm extremely dairy tolerant and do great with butter, ghee, and cheese. I've heard that cultured ghee is fine for people with lactose intolerance and even some with dairy allergies because the bacterial cultures denature or metabolize a lot of the compounds, and then even more are removed in the process of turning butter into ghee.

[@winsomecohall2250]

Fasting is what mess up your hormones listen to Stephanie Paterson ,dr bright

[@mikeluhrs4578]

Met Dr. Chaffee before. He's a really solid guy. Cheers!

[@DroppingBearVictim]

Cool. Where did you run into each other?

[@GabrielWJensen]

​​@@DroppingBearVictimThey met at a Dunkin Donuts

[@mikeluhrs4578]

It was actually at a keto con (went with a buddy for the heck of it). @@DroppingBearVictim

[@hqund7816]

LOLL@@GabrielWJensen

[@logiclanguagelearningFrench]

Sorry but this didn’t answer my questions. So are we saying genuinely that fruits aren’t as loaded with anti nutrients as vegetables ? Are we saying fruit eating doesn’t UNDO the superb carnivore benefits? I feel no clearer. The only argument Dr C gave against fruit was addictive issues. Can someone talk to me about inflammation. About oxalate etc. I would be very grateful. Has anybody factored fruit in and not found it detramental ?

[@mingmingli7356]

can you please have a conversation with Dr Paul Mason? You both have great influence in this community. Thanks Paul for all your efforts

[@jessieriddle3479]

I just have to say … as a former 7 year wfpb vegan who’s health went in the trash … I love that you both give credit to people going vegan trying to do the right thing. The gateway drug 😂😂 love it. So accurate. Thanks for the content

[@Celine-j6g]

Same dirty vegan for some years, now strict carnivore since 2 weeks. Gastrointestinal problems increased, but I guess it needs to fat adapt a few more weeks :/ hope that I will have more energy then. Skin improves, but I feel so bad (guess it’s the colon)

[@buffzerg]

Best of luck

[@yellowrose803]

​@@Celine-j6gI have been a vegan for the last 13 years, how did you start please and did you have any reaction. Thank you 😊

[@yellowrose803]

Glad you are feeling much better now. I have been a vegan for the last 13 years and hope I can do it.

[@_johnnys_life]

Been waiting for Dr Chaffee to come on your podcast for a while :) I followed animal based for a while, but never felt as good as Paul seems to feel. I got rid of plants all together and I have to admit I do feel a lot better! I think it's different for everyone some people can eat carbs and some cant. I know for me its no carbs that make me feel a lot better! Anthony Chaffee is the best! Perth, Australia Represent :)

[@isaactrevino7821]

Interesting. My experience is drastically different. Mine was exactly same as Paul. I absolutely need carbs. I do thrive when I eat carbs . Athletic performance, metrics , labs. Everything are perfect with carbs. Even test levels went up allot with carbs as I'm at 700 now. At 45. But I do nose to tail organs also helped with that .. not just carbs. But they did increase further with carbs

[@ebuka212]

@@isaactrevino7821 ppl fall off carnivore when they don't take enough fat. When you start out on carnivore, you have enough fat for your body to burn thro. When your body has burned thro this fat, you must take in enough fat otherwise you fall off. You're replacing carbs with fat, not protein - that's the idea. If you eat 8 eggs fried in an excessive amount of tallow everyday, and dousing your meats in excessive amounts of butter; if you're eating butter, drinking ghee everyday; you'll do well on carnivore. It's a fat diet, not a meat diet

[@ashdgee]

What a friendly discussion between tow mature people, unlike arogant people like Layne Norton. I am animal based and definitely learnt a lot from the two gentlemen. Paul must pay us a visit here in Aus. Greetings from Perth

[@ryanp4600]

When I was eating processed foods, veggies and pretty much everything. I ended up having really bad anxiety. Pretty much to the point my attacks were so bad I didn’t want to leave the house. My Dr put me on medication. I came across Paul Saladino videos, so I started doing animal based diet. I started feeling so good I stop taking my medication 1 day on 3 days off. Now I only have to take it once every week. It’s amazing what this diet has done for me. Bless you both

[@SharrellKline]

It is so refreshing to see a respectful debate. It doesn't matter what arena it is; this ability is being lost in our society. Thank you for that. As for fruit and honey, I am a flat-out raving carbohydrate and sugar addict. Like a heroin-level addict. I've finally faced it. There's no need for me to test it for 30 days because no one would say to a binge alcoholic, or a heroin addict, just try it for 30 days and see what it does. We already know the answer l. To abstain. The first time I tried coffee it was the most bitter thing ever in my mouth. Even a little coffee in a cake, ice cream, or a bon bon is so bitter I cannot stand it. Now I fully understand what my body was trying to tell me. Don't eat this! The same with spinach, kale, Brussels sprouts, and green peppers; they are so bitter I cannot understand how people can eat them. I now believe it's my body saying these are really bad for you. They may work for someone else, but you cannot be eating them.

[@asher5722]

Prior to going carnivore, I was severely depressed for 8 years (I'm 22 now). Eating a piece of fruit every now and then hasn't brought back my depression, so I don't mind indulging once every few days.

[@Danny-zm5rh]

Why were you depressed from 14-22 years old?

[@MayBlake_Channel]

​@@Danny-zm5rh Guessing from context, I'd say it was her diet

[@Danny-zm5rh]

@@MayBlake_Channel Wow! That is truly pitiful to hear. I'm 83 and back in my day treats and sweets was the only thing that made us happy.

[@MayBlake_Channel]

@@Danny-zm5rh Lol. Yeah, I get it. But eating a crappy diet apparently throws people's hormones which can lead to depression. A lot of people clean with up their diet (this happens a lot with people who have depression and go carnivore, such as Mikhaila Peterson) and find that their depression goes away! As a 26 year old, the only thing that made me happy as a kid was tv :P I think it's just the nature of having toxic parents--the little things are what help you hold on

[@Danny-zm5rh]

@@MayBlake_Channel I appreciate your response. I'm of the camp that thinks this generation throws the word depression around recklessly.

[@getter_done]

GREAT VIDEO! ( I eat grassfed animal beef protein, bison, elk, eggs, some wild caught salmon, grassfed yogurt, grassfed cream, ghee, grassfed butter, some ferments, blueberries & cranberries, coffee, pretty much)..this works for me. Love listening to Sally K Norton too, reading her book Toxic Superfoods 👍

[@tl4702]

@@Legend42427have seen others report elevated arsenic levels after consuming sardines regularly so be careful

[@Casmige]

“Grass-Fed” whilst it may give you the feelies?? Is simply a marketing gimmick. Sorta like “Free shipping”.

[@Casmige]

@@tl4702hmmmmm, perhaps it’s a similar mechanism along the lines of amygdalin [Laetrile] (cyanide) poisoning from Apricot Kernals?. Perhaps an isolated refined component without the adjacent peripheral compounds might be indeed poisonous…but when taken or consumed as a food? With all the counter-balancing compounds? Limits the supposed poisonous aspects?.

[@lymphomasurvive]

@@CasmigeIn the case of some grass fed, it’s a gimmick. But when I was buying grass fed beef from a local farm, the meat tasted a lot like liver. There was a massive difference in taste that I could easily detect. I haven’t had any store bought grass fed beef taste quite the same.

[@troysims2753]

@@lymphomasurvive Truth! I am currently eating grass-fed beef from a local supplier and the taste is the way to know! Most grass-fed beef is grain-finished! True grass-fed beef never sees grains in its life!

[@laurenwagner6235]

Really interesting podcast. Also loved how respectful this debate was and letting each other talk / listening to one another is great.

[@Jonceify]

This was a great confirmation for me. I’m eating grass fed, grass finished most of the time but I do eat angus beef steaks too. Less vegetables and now I’ll be taking less coffee. Also I’m taking 6 capsules of Beef Organs from Heart & Soil. Feeling good! Thanks Paul!

[@rorydeken5261]

I respect both of these guys so much and I have wanted to see them discuss their one minor point of contention for a while.

[@christapovec]

Thank you both for bringing well thought and supported information. Well done!

[@cetogenicaportugal8514]

There were many tribes amongst Inuits, some used to eat more boiled fish, others dried fish, some almost exclusively caribou meat. Most tribes used to give entrails to domestic animals. The Fat of The Land also tells Esquimo’s macros, wich were 20% protein and 80% fat. Some tribes used to eat berries that were stored on oil to preserve them. That also depending on the tribe’s habits, that were not a broad food for all Esquimos/Inuits. Loved the talk!

[@giuseppinamarchione3576]

Un bellissimo confronto!! Sono questi i medici che vogliamo!! GRAZIE❤

[@wolfcruise]

A highly refreshing debate by two very stable intelligent guys !! I love that they are both doing what works for them. I am fully carnivore (day 50!) and zero desire to add fruits and fruit juice, so I am team Dr Chaffee in this debate, but once again, I love hearing a very stable balanced debate between two MD's 🙂

[@lilytea3]

0:00: 🥦 Dr. Anthony Chaffy discusses his experience with a carnivore diet and his concerns about the health effects of plants and vegetables. 6:32: 💪 Cutting out vegetables from his diet improved the speaker's overall health, including weight loss, improved athletic performance, elimination of brain fog and asthma, and reduction in joint pain. 13:33: 🥦 The speaker discusses their experience with a whole food, plant-based diet and the impact it had on their health. 21:02: 🥩 The speaker discusses the idea that the success of a diet is not solely based on what you eat, but also on what you avoid, and shares concerns about the health issues faced by some vegans. 26:54: 🥩 The speaker discusses the health benefits of a carnivore diet and how it has positively impacted his medical career. 33:55: 🍵 The speaker explains why he doesn't drink coffee and how it affects his body. 40:45: 🧪 The speaker discusses the importance of empowering individuals to take control of their health through diet and lifestyle changes, and challenges the mainstream belief that cholesterol is the main cause of heart disease. 47:18: 📚 The speaker discusses the misrepresentation of data in studies linking cholesterol to heart disease, the influence of sugar companies on research, and the lack of evidence supporting the harmful effects of LDL cholesterol. 54:37: 🍎 Fruit and fruit juice may have benefits for humans, including improved endothelial function and decreased oxidation and inflammation. 1:01:29: 🥩 The speaker discusses his personal experience with ketosis and encourages self-experimentation with different diets, emphasizing the benefits of eating fatty meat. 1:08:14: 🧪 The speaker discusses the effects of ketosis on cortisol metabolism, thyroid hormones, and other factors, suggesting that long-term ketosis may not be benign for all individuals. 1:15:43: 🥩 The speakers discuss the importance of incorporating organ meats into the diet for optimal nutrition, while cautioning against excessive consumption. 1:22:14: 💡 The importance of a natural human diet and the need to respect plants' chemical protection and defense. Recap by Tammy AI

[@alessandropizzocaro7506]

I started carnivore and I did water beef eggs butter for 5 months. Amazing results but the diarrhea was killing me! I now eat a single piece of fruit after my meal (omad) and I don't have that problem anymore. I believe a piece of fruit cannot harm you aaaand it tastes great!

[@Thereisnorules]

Maybe you eat too much butter/fat? Beef and eggs mostly do opposite to me

[@jon0604]

Switching to carnivore should be gradual over 4-6 weeks; microbiome needs that transition- after that every bowel movement will be perfect

[@Biophotogenesis]

Love both these men. Amazing amounts of knowledge have been transmitted through them. I think both are useful. Long term in hot climates working/playing outside I just can't see Pure carnivore as sustainable. I tried hard. No amount of keto drops prevented massive muscle cramps that stopped after adding small amounts of fruit.

[@Damcarnivore]

Why keto drops why not simply taking salt?

[@Damcarnivore]

I’ve gone through two summers now at the beginning of this summer I started getting cramps but just made sure I drink enough water and take salt. Last summer I wasn’t drinking coffee so I didn’t need to worry as much about dehydration

[@Biophotogenesis]

I tried just salt too of course. Keto drops have more electrolytes plus very convenient to add to water.

[@brojoe4919]

@@Biophotogenesis The salt isn't the issue, it is the insulin spike you need. If you aren't eating nearly all your daily protein in that one sitting then you won't get that spike.

[@sierra8017]

Two different opinions and an intelligent discussion. I've been waiting for you both to have this discussion. Thank you!

[@PUMPINGSHARK]

Guys this was so great , shared it with ma frens. Thank you.

[@robolioharun]

This was amazing and lesson learnt: Having been introduced to Carnivore through the other camp (ie. Dr. Anthony Chaffee/Dr. Shawn Baker/Dr. Bart Kay), I was meat and water only, and thought Dr. Saladino was way off limits. (Sorry doc :) ) And I’m doing fine so far. But I think Paul Saladino isn’t here to make controversy or to make himself popular, he just had a problem on Carnivore and wanted to figure it out. We have to remember that our understanding of any topic advances only when there are outliers and we figure out how to explain that. Thank you for that Dr. Saladino. And thank you Dr. Chaffee for the great explanations and analogies as usual.

[@MrLaffertyheating]

Thank you two for doing this!!! I have been waiting for this for a long time!!

[@peterfrancisharris]

I'm one of those former vegetarians (4 years). I thought I was doing everything right until colitis. I ruined my gut. I found the specific carbohydrate diet, first, then keto, then, finally, carnivore in my 40 year transition to gut health.

[@inessa__ua]

Happy for you♡

[@Shanatwins]

Great debate guys. We need more like this.

[@braincancerwarrior]

We were all waiting for this! 10 min in but it’s great. Nice work gents!

[@thecarnivoreboss]

Great podcast! Love the respect between you guys even though you don't agree on everything 💜

[@leialeia9940]

Aches and pains gone with animal based way of eating. Sooooo true!!!! But, what I’ve noticed is the drastic change in my mental health when I go clean and animal based (I allow avocado and occasional berries). ‘Substantial’ improvement in my mental health, ability to concentrate (reduced procrastination) and overall stress tolerance. I’ve suffered from depression my whole life and it never occurred to me that my food could’ve been the cause. I recently fell off the wagon and within hours, not even days, a huge wave of depression that lasted days hit me bad; it was really intense. I think I must’ve been more aware of how depressed I was, because I finally had a period in my life that I wasn’t. So, it was far more noticeable when I ate carbs and sugar again. I’m sad I backslid, but happy I did, as it made me notice more how much harm those foods are doing to my overall health. When you feel like crap all the time, you forget or just don’t know, what optimal physical and mental health actually feels like. I’m back on animal based foods and starting to feel better already. Lighter, stronger, happier and alert! I don’t care what standard medical professionals say, the only experiment that matters is the one we do on ourselves. We know our bodies better! There’s little profit to be made in a happy and healthy species, so we need to do it for ourselves.

[@logiclanguagelearningFrench]

Ever tried pure carnivore for the difference ?

[@margaretpoff7654]

every evening i am so happy wirh my piece of fruit and honey. not able to live on meat so thank you both doctors

[@GreenWitchApothecary]

Thank you so much for actually having a conversation between two people that don’t agree on everything and I would love more of these. I would love an amicable discussion between a vegan doctor and a carnivore doctor. I follow a lot of wise people and I think there are great areas and everything and so I really focus on what everyone does agree on which is processed crap seeded oil and how glucose makes you sick. So THANK YOU.

[@trixieknits]

Fabulous discussion!!! I’ve been keto for six years. Let some of the lost weight creep back on. Now leaning more ketovore and loving it. Feel great!!

[@truestory923]

Convinced me fully with the description from his cancer class where the professor showed the level of carcinogens in veggies... I hadn't ever heard that.. I've read Paul's book, listened to Soooo many carnivores, and yet, that one anecdote just changed my life. Now... To frickin'stick to it! It's hard when you've been dieting all your life to change from "feeling full" doesn't mean you're gonna get fat. Leap of Faith

[@ryanrogers8211]

How's it going?

[@michinuco1246]

Q

[@themblan]

I don't use fruit as a substitute for baked sweets and ice cream. If you reset your taste-buds, you will find that fruit tastes better, because it makes your body feel better during and after eating.

[@ianstuart5660]

Fruit is definitely better than processed sweets!

[@12dot12]

Coffee IS BS... and tea, and chocolate also are. I've just discovered that my panic attacks, my anxiety, my phobias almost magically vanished when I 100% quit drinking coffee and tea (coffee was the worst). Chocolate is hardest to stop eating (it's so tempting...), but I've reduced it as much as I could - and now, every time after I give in and eat some chocolate, I'm starting to see negative effects in my nervous system... they're mild, cause I don't allow myself to eat much of it. But why I do it to myself at all?... Now I have a stronger motivation to cut out everything containing caffeine completely. It's mindblowing what food can do to us.

[@JamesTudsbury]

I have the same with chocolate and raw cacao - I think it's the oxalates - would give me almost-instant heart palpitations, muscle pain and overwhelming anxiety attack.

[@12dot12]

@@JamesTudsbury yes, it can be cacao. Haven't thought of oxalates, maybe it's their fault. Does coffee have oxalates? I'm still trying to determine what's triggering anxiety the most.

[@elisadelaurenti2516]

I Love You Both so much for sharing your knowledge with us all. Thank You. ❤

[@susiepeppers]

Love the mutual respect between the two MDs!

[@SuitedPup]

We need more discussion! Here's my perspective: Some strict carnivores may hesitate when it comes to animal-based advocates guzzling honey, fruit juice, and pounds of fruit. However… you don't have to go that far! Incorporating a banana or two into your diet, perhaps around a workout and/or towards the end of the day, might offer benefits such as improved sleep, workout performance, hormone production, and more, while still aligning with a very low-carb / ketogenic lifestyle. From my experience, hard workouts on strict carnivore make me feel extremely anxious. Perhaps I’m going hypoglycemic? Carnivore is great in every other way (besides diarrhea), except that it doesn’t seem to support strenuous exercise for me. A banana or two around workouts clears that up for me. (To be fair, I’ve never been truly strict carnivore, as I’ve always drank coffee, which is surely hurting my health). 🥩 🥩 🍌 🥩

[@dasiy0522]

I ❤ the watermelon 🍉 it’s amazing. I eat tons watermelon and drink watermelon juice all summer long. Fruit has Never caused me health problems. Other food choices have. I keep learning and trying N=1 with myself. Thank you for the information and conversations

[@thejourneytoeden7486]

Interesting that some people struggle with sugar addiction when eating fruit and honey. I beat my sugar addiction (aka "sweet tooth") when I started eating more fruit because that's exactly what my body was asking for.

[@rachelbrondel5858]

That's fascinating. Can you tell me what else you eat and when you incorporate fruit? What fruit do you prefer? I really crave something sweet after my meals

[@puidemare2337]

I find when my food is too salty, I crave sweets. But if i go more neutral with tinge of saltiness, I don't crave something sweet at all. I feel craving is more of a way for the body to balance itself.@@rachelbrondel5858

[@thejourneytoeden7486]

@@rachelbrondel5858 For the last year I've eaten fruit almost exclusively, but have experimented with all foods while eating this way. My preferred fruit is melon (any kind), grapes, most tropical fruits (jackfruit, mulberry, oranges) and the occasional palm full of pistachios or walnuts. Unfortunately in most of the United States you can't get many of the tropical fruits in the grocery. Otherwise, I typically avoid most other foods since they all seem to lower the quality of my digestion and do not leave me feeling good in any way. Meat and fish seems to be overall neutral to my body, neither good or bad. I don't know what it means really, but eating mostly fruit has worked for me and healed all of the chronic illness from my omnivore days. I'm always fascinated to watch Paul Salidino and his experimenting.

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

​@rachelbrondel5858 a couple of dates with a warm drink is the perfect way for me after a meal.

[@naomimcfadden2030]

​@@rebeccabriggs2982oh my goodness dates and milk is gift from God.... delicious!!

[@robertwhite2449]

Awesome collaboration. I had my reservations about Paul when he went crazy on the fruit and honey thing, but recently he seems to be having some well reasoned, respectable discussions with others in the carnivore community and there seems to be a convergence occurring on how and when fruit, juices and honey should be strategically leveraged. Found it fascinating about the Inuit non-ketosis and the glycogen in raw meat - even more reason to have it as rare as possible. I also think Anthony is spot on about offal consumption in proportion to the rest of the carcass - about 10% seems about right.

[@josee_44227]

Thanks!

[@IlianIordanov-oz2et]

While I respect the carnivore diet, I've found that an animal-based diet suits me much better and contributes to my overall health, energy levels, and zest for life. During the two months I followed a strict carnivore diet, I faced considerable challenges without any carbohydrates. While initially, I experienced a high level of energy on the ketogenic diet, it eventually dropped to a lower but more stable level, and my motivation for activities like training and learning diminished. Additionally, I developed significant constipation, occurring once every 12-14 days, despite consuming plenty of fat. I began to feel disconnected, as if I were observing life from a distance, almost as if I were outside of my own body. However, upon reintroducing fruits, milk, and honey into my diet, I experienced a remarkable shift. My mood became markedly more positive, and I regained a significant amount of energy. I felt more connected to the world around me and developed a strong desire to help others.

[@reneehunt906]

What fruits to you eat?

[@anneh-lint8480]

I think fruit and fructose even on a very limited scale can affect people differently. It’s the same with coffee and tea. I am currently trying to figure out what is causing me inflammation. I am going to try cutting out newer things that I may have added in the last 6 months. I have to find it. I’m not worried about it… I will find what is causing it. People have to be open to removing and adding things.