Animated Atrocities 145 || Top 11 Worst Animation Cliches (Part 1)

[@Tyranogre]

Reminder that someday Disney will run out of animated movies and be left with no choice but to do a live-action remake of Chicken Little.

[@doctoreggnog6644]

Hey, maybe they'll make it good the second time.

[@halfdemonprince]

Doctor Eggnog You can’t really do much good with a movie about a little boy being neglected by his father and bullied by the entire town.

[@doctoreggnog6644]

Does Chicken Little HAVE to be about that? Remember Disney changes a lot from the source material in general.

[@Shins_Jim]

I suppose they could go with the original plot (or something close to it), but in the end of most versions all the birds get eaten by a fox... ... ...still a better feel-good story then Chicken Little (2005)

[@Wiimeiser]

They cancelled Gigantic to make live action Fantasia and sequels to... Wreck-it Ralph and... Frozen? That's it, I'm getting the fuck outta here. (Also, I thought Gigantic was gonna be Gulliver's Travels. How is _that_ not public domain? It predates _maps of Australia's east coast_!

[@zooemperor3954]

In Zootopia and Rio’s defense, they did the dance party in the credits. Same went for Fantastic Mr Fox so at least it’s somewhat passable

[@tesold1048]

I find it passable in Fantastic Mr. Fox because it was the tone throughout. There were multiple occasions during the movie where several characters just started dancing for no reason.

[@rjd-kh8et]

And in Zootopia it's a concert by Gazelle, who's heard before.

[@kokorolinkrun2943]

For Rio 1, it's actually halfway through, while in Rio 2 it was implied earlier on.

[@zakkcooke8050]

Rio had a lot to do with Samba as well so it’s even more justified

[@JJ-yn4cj]

A dance party kinda made sense in Shrek because it was their wedding.

[@doctorawesomeness6922]

My most hated cartoon cliche is every show have an idiot father like Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Timmy Turner's Dad, Hugh Neutron, Stan Smith and etc.

[@carlbloke8797]

Well there are good dad characters that are idiots like Dexter's Dad and Richard from Gumball so they can get it right

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

I'd argue Randy Marsh is one of the ones that actually manages to get it right, but that's just my opinion. Other than that though, couldn't agree with you more.

[@thesquishedelf1301]

Bruno5705 - I think literally strangling your kid on a semi-regular basis disqualifies you from ever being considered a "good" parent.

[@amybrooks4669]

I dont mind it when South Park does it with Randy, other fathers are shown to be somewhat good (ignoring season 20-21) parents. With Randy it comes off as more of a "Randy is an Idiot" than "all of these kids fathers are idiots"

[@BrandonTrex]

That's probably gonna be in Part 2

[@okra7648]

I found my new life goal: Make a movie with every cliché he hates and somehow make him like it XD

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

*Fairly OddParents In: Channel Chasers* did basically that. All it takes is for you to use the worst clichés as deliberate satire, while having a genuinely good story to drive the whole film.

[@ChrisSagem]

I have an idea for a story I would like to suggest that you could possibly somehow miraculously execute well as the story could be about a dumbass dad and a nagging mom as your main character’s with the dumbass dad being a stupid dog and the nagging mom being a snooty cat and a butt monkey who first met each other when they were in high school with the mom as child constantly picking on, bullying, and harassing the dad when he two was also a child and has been doing all that because she like likes him and at some point overtime they would eventually fall in love with each other and get married and as the years go by they are now currently going through a disfunctional marriage with the mom living a miserable life of torture and hell while the dad just sleeps on the couch watching sports, action movies and manly things on tv and at some point for reasons I don’t know the husband and wife would switch bodies as the two would then have to live each others lives while learning about how gender role stereotypical each of their lives are. And that’s all I got so far!

[@raggedyanon9566]

Does that include making it a comedy for adults and having bad animation ?

[@ChrisSagem]

Now that you mention it yes!

[@jooree7696]

The first season of Total Drama did it

[@Spyroclinical2]

"The point of Fantasia was to set animation to music" Does that make Fantasia the world's first AMV?

[@steampunk-llama]

Temporary Name f u c k, I don't know what to do with this knowledge now

[@laurieschmaltz3452]

I would say Steamboat Willie would be the first Disney AMV since the entire animation follows the tune that Mickey is whistling at the beginning.

[@neomcdoom]

Yes

[@duncanm4061]

Emperor Palpitoad technically it is. An animated music video.

[@carlbloke8797]

Temporary Name that's probably steamboat willie as the first amv

[@fidibus4290]

"Animation is a medium" - Thank God someone finally said it. I'm so fed up with all this cliches about animation (western and eastern) and it all comes down to the misunderstanding that animation is a genre with certain thematic implications or a set target audience. For example, saying "animation is fp0 kids" is like saying "movies are for kids", "books are for kids" etc.

[@nuttiebun]

There’s a reason ADULT cartoons exist

[@palmtop_studios]

nemengeholz yes

[@nicholastosoni707]

"The animation _GENRE_ " #bradbird

[@rabbit0664]

@@nuttiebun So true. It used to be for adults.

[@kyriss12]

The western animation medium used to be as rich in style and genres as the eastern market is However Disney and Warner Brothers started buying up all the smaller animation studios sometime during the late 80s early 90s, and redirected the entire medium towards a more family friendly market.

[@phillip8733]

wow I never realized how many movies have a dance party ending, probably hecause I forget about that part in movies

[@AmberCommentsThings]

Same here, you don't at all think of it, so it just slips into your mind without you knowing.

[@someguy764]

I forgot too, dear god

[@andykishore]

Well the dance party ending is after all of the main events happened in the movie.

[@weldin]

There are four shows with good rap themes: Danny Phantom The Boondocks Kenan and Kel The Fresh Prince of Bel Air

[@goulz3959]

True but two of these aren’t cartoons and one the song wasn’t specifically made for that product that being boondocks

[@weldin]

@@goulz3959 Sure, but I'm not sure if he says 'show' or 'cartoon' in the video (I also haven't watched this video in a year).

[@KaleBennett]

What about TMNT 2012

[@goldylover1000]

What about aqua teen hunger force?

[@lordmartin6134]

@@KaleBennett definitely

[@lukebytes5366]

"the emoji movie is not everything wrong with cinema, everything wrong with cinema is in the emoji movie." THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[@wattsink2009]

Luke Hqyes Indeed, that was a clever turn of phrase.

[@TylerBaraby]

Please explain to me why that makes sense?

[@lukebytes5366]

Tyler Baraby sorry, a year late. But the twist of words helps with understanding, mostly. The emoji movie is awful, but it's not something that i'd call a special type of bad. It just has every cliche boring thing in the book. So the shift helps clarify that.

[@TheHarlequinHatter]

I hate the dance party ending too. However, I'll forgive Zootopia, since it was more of a backdrop for the credits, and the film had already had a solid ending beforehand. Plus, it was fun to see how all of those characters with wildly different designs danced in super unique ways.

[@krombopulos_michael]

TheHarlequinHatter the Zootopia one also kind of took place outside the story. It was more like a standalone animation just using the character models, and it's pretty typical to run a song over the credits anyway

[@jackgarcia5926]

Now, if only it wasn't set to Shakira's godawful kermit voice, it would have been sort of fine.

[@eatatjoes6751]

I think the only other DPE that worked was the one at the end of Toy Stories 2/3 because they earned the idea of a dance party due to the nature of the plot. The others seem just incredibly forced and tacked on because "fuck it, we need an ending and we haven't seen Gene/Meh/Jailbreak's boppin' dance moves yet and the animators got bored with the movie."

[@carlbloke8797]

Maridia Monroe MLP's dance ending also made sense to movie as well and it did add on more lore

[@carlbloke8797]

Jack Garcia it wasn't really that bad

[@slashbash1347]

Honestly, the Boondocks theme's pretty good. And it makes sense too, since the show's about contemporary African American culture.

[@Astarath]

Came here to post this

[@MLGRDR]

Slashbash I commented the same thing. Boondocks did it pretty well and it makes sense.

[@sophiefilo16]

*The show is about contemporary American ghetto culture. I'd say the PJs (which, granted, I haven't seen in over a decade) is more about general blacks...

[@undead923]

It even has nice use of rap BGM. (Cough) Madvillain (Cough)

[@anarch1.c]

WRAITH someones triggered

[@SophieSquid]

Warning! This is a rant: I how adults don't take cartoons seriously, so they just say "hey if cartoons are just stupid things for kids to watch we'll make a bunch of adult cartoons that are stupid things for adults to watch," without looking into the depth and complexities that some kids shows have. I know not all adult cartoons are bad, but I just wish that there would be more serious cartoons for an older demographic that aren't just comedy/drama. I find that there is more complexity in a show like steven universe than a lot of adult cartoons. (I am aware there are exceptions) I just wish that there would be more cartoons with a similar style to SU, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Ok KO, etc. Their aren't too many quality kids cartoons to begin with, and if they were for an older audience I feel like there could be even more masterpieces that are looked at through the ages.

[@baytooth]

Maybe try watching bojack horseman it has some comedy but not as much as y'know a comedy

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

there is one cliché I particulary LOATHE on every single appearance, be it a good or bad movie, I just can't stand the "Liar review", which the Nostalgia Critic mentioned as something he hates too. We've seen it a lot, such as Sing, Chicken Run and Bug's life. That cliché when the protagonist spends most part of the movie sustaining a lie to achieve a goal, and the whole schtick is busted, and then we have to spend those long minutes having the hero moping, ostracized, everybody mad at him just for the plot to move without needing it. Perhaps the ONLY movie it never bothered me with it was Mulan, because this cliché was necessary for the plot and character development and actualy affected the finale in a very important way.

[@doodlebugfour7070]

Irritated "Uhhh....." that trope is cringey and predictable.

[@totaldestruction152]

MrKlausbaudelaire it's "Liar Revealed"

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

I kinda think both "Liar revealed" and "liar reveal" fit, since they are just different tenses of the same verb. Personaly I go for the later because this cliché starts when the liar IS revealed, but sure, the cliché lasts for several moments AFTER the liar is revealed as well. (minutes, hours, days, depends on the plot)

[@bobbyh2720]

You typoed and wrote "Liar Review"

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

I consider both "Liar revealed" and "Liar reveal" a valid name for the cliché. Liar review, the reveal of a liar. The verb in a tense thats more neutral.

[@societyproductions]

With Disney's old movies, they had style. That art style is one reason why the movies are loved. The Lion King style is still the most famous way to draw lions. That is why Disney was so unique. Each movie had it's own art style that fit the setting. The live action remakes remove any original style the originals had. Why the hell would I want to watch a live action Lion King with realistic lions when I can just watch the original with it's unique style that helped lighten the movie, since it is an interpretation of a relatively dark Shakespearean play.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Live action movies can have interesting, distinctive visual styles too, if their directors actually give a flying fuck. Watch the original *Evil Dead,* then watch *Kill Bill.* Those movies don't look even *remotely* alike. The only reason all the big studio movies now look the same is because the guys directing them have absolutely no passion or inspiration besides money.

[@maxleon61702]

Me: How about Atlantis and Treasure Planet?

[@AJ-xc4qe]

Also, live action remakes of cartoons that aren't just Disney movies are still a thing. On television instead of cinema and they're getting worse (Fate the Winx Saga, Powerpuff).

[@StickersAndCookies]

Most (if not all) adult cartoons try too hard to be ..adult. They always have unnecessary violence, swearing, sexual references etc. usually because anything animated is correlated more with children. Its almost as if they're too insecure about being an animated show that they have to have all these shitty vulgar jokes and they have to have an unappealing art style to accentuate the fact that theres 'no kids allowed' or something (slayerrunes did a video about this if you want to watch, i find it super interesting and tbh it really be one of the most annoying animation cliches kzbin.info/www/bejne/i16an3RqiLN3ors )

[@Nunshle_Uvmee]

And that's why I hate adult cartoons...

[@eatatjoes6751]

There are exceptions, but other than that, yeah--it's horrendous.

[@huntergraham702]

I can't watch these 'adult' cartoons ((parents won't let me)) but from what I've heard it sounds right. I mean, if you look the "shock comedy" of those shows brutally beating and torturing people for laughs and compare that to something like Avatar/LoK, which is more serious? Wan Shi Tong: You think you're the first person to believe their war was justified?! Countless others before you have come here, seeking weapons, weaknesses or battle strategies! Aang: We had no choice! Please, we're just desperate to protect the people we love! Wan Shi Tong: And now I'm going to protect what I love. (Wan Shi Tong spreads his wings; the library starts to shake and flood with sand) Wan Shi Tong: I'm taking my knowledge back! No one will ever abuse it again! And then Korra's commentary on discrimination ,xenophobia, nationalism, political corruption..I think they're the more mature ones.

[@josephschultz3301]

I can agree with this, to an extent. I can get behind "adult humor" to a degree, but it's when the humor claims to be adult and instead just runs on juvenile and gross-out gags that it becomes very bothersome to me. There's also the ongoing issue of adult cartoons lacking any real ongoing story to engage the viewers; I feel like one of the only Western shows to really even try lately is Bojack Horseman. It feels like a lot of these adult cartoons have a free pass to ignore the story writing process entirely just because they've instead written 5 million toilet, sex, and shock jokes that appeal to grown men and women with the minds of children. It's very frustrating to me.

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

That's why Bob's Burgers is great because it avoids those

[@Swagmaster65]

"hey, you know who could replace Robin Williams as the genie? Will Smith!" Man i wish I was joking.

[@amedotuniverse652]

In Will's defense, he didn't try to imitate Robin Williams, he made Genie his own character and I can respect that

[@JulesHinmon]

Futurama has actually become more famous for sentimental drama than comedy since they did episodes like Luck of the Fryrish, Leela’s Homeworld, The Sting and especially Jurassic Bark.

[@reasyrandom]

Don't forget Game of Tones.

[@sophiefilo16]

The last two episodes you mentioned are ones I haven't seen in a decade but still remember better than almost any other episode...

[@palmtop_studios]

Jules Hinmon h

[@CJCroen1393]

"I get that the idea of being an adult is that the world is EDGY and UGLY!" You know what cartoon did that concept right? Rocko's Modern Life.

[@CJCroen1393]

Tbh, it's not so much that Rocko himself or the show is "edgy" and more that it portrays adult life in a brutally honest manner, presenting it in a decidedly unglamorous and unglorified light. I mean think about it: The core premise of the show is that a twenty-something year old guy is just getting used to life on his own, and he's learning that being an independent adult isn't all fun and games. It can be rewarding, yes, but the adult world isn't gonna just _hand you_ those rewards. You have to work at it. -Unless you were born rich of course.-

[@carlbloke8797]

CJCroen1393 that's actually a great point about Rocko. It also teaches a good lesson of having friends to overcome trials as well(Heffer and Filburt for example). P.S. Are you looking forward to the revival with Static Cling

[@CJCroen1393]

Yes I am ^_^

[@Leostar-Regalius]

you don't remember rocko that much, do you?

[@CJCroen1393]

"it's so obnoxious hearing about adulthood being literal hell and having nothing good come out of it." Yeah, isn't it great that that's _not what I said at all?_

[@informationnotfound]

I'll tell you why rap themes don't work most of the times, it's because it doesn't fit the aesthetic of the show. It's just for a marketing gimmick or to seem "hip with the kids". But great shows like Samurai Champloo and The Boondocks have amazing openings, because hip hop is the aesthetic of those shows. Those two shows are filled with hip hop culture. So therefore it doesn't feel forced and out of context. Also the lyrics to those two shows I mentioned are deep and tell a story about the show you're about to watch. Hell, The Boondocks opening was literally inspired by Samurai Champloo. You can't say Danny Phantom was the only one that worked, and not even explain why....Danny Phantom's theme is fire, don't get me wrong, but I'm surprised that's the only one you like.

[@PumpkinSwag]

I agree, I loved the Boondocks theme, and it fit with the show's theme of exploring black issues and culture. So I'm not sure why he doesn't consider that a good theme. I liked the Yin Yang Yo theme too.

[@Ilikebats123]

Samurai Jack's theme is just his name a bunch of times, and I can't speak for Boondocks because I never watched it

[@hypno-scream5652]

Raps can work if they fit the theme of the franchises. -JT Music's Cuphead Rap sounds like old timey music -Descendants' Be Our Guest has a high school acapella feel -Mario's rap has a video game feel.

[@WheresTodd]

Cause Samurai Champloos music was primarily made by Nujabes, who is actually a talent in the hip hop industry.

[@Ilikebats123]

JT Music's is fanmade and made by someone who cares. It wouldn't work if it was in the actual game. Descendent's Be Our Guest is shit.

[@-TPLT]

An "adult" version of Courage the Cowardly Dog could really capitalize on Courage's already somber themes in addition to the lightheartedness and comedy. I love that idea.

[@oliverhayhoe]

Steven Spielberg didn't direct Back To The Future. That was Robert Zemeckis.

[@shogunblade]

Oliver Hayhoe I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught this though I do wish I scrolled down further to notice someone else brought it up.

[@DeepEye1994]

Spielberg produced it and his name appears in the poster so I guess that's why Enter mixed up. Ah well, it happens.

[@Mr007no2]

I noticed that too, Spielberg was the producer of back to the future, not the director

[@seanmyster6]

That seems to be a very common mistake; whenever Spielberg is the producer of something, people mistakenly refer to him as the director of it, because directing movies is what he's best known for.

[@ZemeckisTEN]

Oliver Hayhoe I’m cringing at the fact that he said that Steven Spielberg directed Back to the Future. But it doesn’t surprise me the least bit. Nobody ever gives Robert Zemeckis ANY credit. Despite the fact that he’s made a LOT of fantastic films and has influenced Hollywood over and over again, nobody ever recognizes his name. It’s like what Sean Myster said, when people see movies with Steven Spielberg’s name on it, they automatically assume he directed the film, regardless of if he actually directed it or not. And as much as I love Steven Spielberg, that shit fucking pisses me off to no end. ESPECIALLY when this happens to movies that Robert Zemeckis directed. Nobody EVER gives Robert Zemeckis credit. Even Michael Bay, one of the biggest douchebags AND one of the worst directors in Hollywood HISTORY, gets more credit than freaking Robert Zemeckis. I’m dead serious. I once made a poll on a Teenager Community on Google Plus on who people think is better, Robert Zemeckis or Michael Bay. And Michael Bay got WAY more votes in a landslide. The fact that people will recognize Michael Bay’s name considering that most of Michael Bay’s films that he either directed and/or produced has made loads of money despite being literally the same exact bullcrap while people have no clue who Robert Zemeckis is considering that his last 2 Films he directed have bombed in the box office despite that he actually put effort into the films disgusts me to hell and back. People are so goddamn retarded nowadays.

[@nostalgiaworks5999]

My idea is that the reason why adult shows look so poor is to stop parents from confusing the shows with kids' shows that are actually well-animated.

[@jackhudner3804]

A lot of it is also likely trying to ride on the coattails of South Park and Family Guy, and laziness.

[@melody3741]

@@jackhudner3804 maybe people shouldnt freak the fuck out about intended audience

[@Astraldragon0]

I'll say it again. Castlevania on Netflix. Both a cartoon aimed at adults that's fantasy/horror instead of comedy, and a video game adaptation to boot!

[@KnakuanaRka]

I’ve heard of it before, and have Netflix at home, so I’ll try it sometime.

[@g.s.651]

You’re not wrong, it’s a great series, even though it’s still short, it’s just that he wasn’t counting anime, and Castlevania is considered an anime.

[@Indra_the_goblin]

I hope the rumours that they will make a berserk remake are true

[@theinimitablejora522]

I HAVE SO BEEN MEANING TO GET TO IT OMG THEY APPARENTLY USED BLOODY TEARS FROM CASTLEVANIA 2 IN SEASON 2

[@RonnocFroop]

Netflix is just calling Castlevania anime, and it's not. Certainly it was inspired by it, but then again, a lot of the more creative cartoons nowadays take inspiration from it.

[@parasitoalienigena]

Cliches are based on archetypes. Cliches are not bad. Many good movies and shiws are based on usual archetypes we all have in our mind and that help us to feel related to characters and situations. The difference between good and bad movies are not that the good ones lack of cliches, but that the good ones know how to use them properly. It's like to put salt to food. It's not something that makes food special than other dishes, but it's usually necessary, also you have to messure the quantity properly for the lunch to taste good. Oh man, I'm hungry now.

[@crinsombone5380]

I agree for the most part but some things just aren't worth defending, specifically that adult cartoons have bad animation and are usually just comedies

[@TailsClock]

Cliches are like salt... That is a fantastic simile! I'm going to be using that.

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

You're thinking of tropes.

[@Limacinablues]

Agreed

[@Oturan20]

As TV Tropes says, "Tropes are Tools." It's only a cliché if it detracts from the story.

[@Phantom-Neon]

I'm just waiting for the lovestruck blubbering cliche I know its in the top 5

[@Phantom-Neon]

Queenofawesome25 It would be hilarious if it were number 5 or lower even though most of us are expecting it to be number 1 We'd just be sitting here going "wait if thats number 5 Then what could number 1 be????" xD

[@ade8296]

I cant wait for the love tetahedron

[@Camkitsune]

"Status Quo is God" is #1, calling it now.

[@LoversComet]

Me too. If I know Mr.Enter, that's on top of the list. At least on the top five.

[@LoversComet]

Maybe... It's likely... :)

[@moonbeetle0417]

I feel like Zootopia handled the "dance party ending" really well. The story had a conclusion, and basically, everyone was going to see a concert with a pop star from their world. It wasn't placed in randomly. It made sense where (as in the movie's timeline) and why they did the dance party scene at the end of Zootopia, at least to me.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Yeah, and given all the characters had been through (especially Nick and Judy) they deserved to do something fun once it was all sorted out.

[@astrowiz3544]

Zootopia gets away with it because the rest of it is so amazing

[@LifeUntilLove]

It helps immensely that they established the pop star in the world already and made multiple characters fans. That makes it far more logical for them to go to a concert together at the end than just randomly deciding to dance to a catchy song.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

And the scene where Judy enters Zootopia for the first time establishes that she listens to Gazelle on her music player, so it makes sense she'd go to a Gazelle concert with Nick later.

[@rabbit0664]

I agree. It wasn't just randomly thrown in.

[@9-VoltGaming]

5:30 This is why I LOVE the ending of Captain Underpants, it ends in such an epic way just like all the books do with Harold screaming "HERE WE GO AGAAAAAIN" and then you see their silhouettes on the moon wile captain underpants screams his last "TRA-LA-LAAAAAA" and the credits roll

[@greenmanatee3368]

Not to mention that kickass Weird Al song played during the ending credits!

[@undead923]

Kevin Petrak It actually fits because Wierd Al was referenced in the books a couple of times.

[@ilikecurry2345]

Well George says "Oh no" first. Then Harold says "Here we go again".

[@amandamacgregor407]

Why spoilers.

[@billybarnett9518]

A shame The Emoji Movie made more money than that.

[@rannvamacdonaldarnskov4794]

I feel Big Mouth is intentionally made unattractive due to its subject. It's a cartoon about kids going through puberty and discovering their sexuality, and if they were made too attractive, the accusations of it being child pornography would double. The unattractiveness of the show helps in not attracting kids, and helps de-sexualize the subjects they're discussing.

[@TheHadMatters]

I'd have the same issue with that as I have with any criticism of sexuality being displayed anywhere. I am pretty sure normalisation is the only way to truly effect progress in abolishing neediness, stereotypes and selfish expectations. It's not pornography if all it does is acknowledge that children have sexual desires. Showing that, *and* showing that not all desires have to be acted upon, many actions have undesirable long-term consequences, and that adults have no right to take advantage of those circumstances and their power positions is much more impactful at shaping people's ethics than denying those circumstances (even if you do include the second half - because then it just becomes top-down sermons no one relates to themselves). Obviously I only mean "showing that" in the truthful dosis that makes sense. There is no need to cram these things in anywhere - they don't usually make for great plot anyways. But you don't need to create unrealistic abstracted versions of your story to avoid it being porn. If you worry that your story is porn, and you want to tell a real story, just tell a different story.

[@nine300]

That didn't occur to me (I've never heard of this show), but also I can see how it might reinforce a feeling of awkwardness and discomfort with your appearance which seems to be more intense for kids in that age range. That is, if any of it was a deliberate stylistic choice rather than just lazy design.

[@toasturhztoastbunz896]

Basically the reason why I didn't like the choice of actors for The Hunger Game movies.

[@jeice13]

Depending on presentation you can make the mundane sexual or the sexual mundane. This does not have to be done by removing all good aesthetic

[@jeice13]

Even south park doesnt have repulsive characters and they certainly arent porn material

[@lauramarschmallow2922]

To me personally it is emotionally troubling seeing the Butt Monkey being abused. To me the single worst offender is FamilyGuy, as I detest Peter Griffin for various reasons, but the emotional and physical abuse of Meg is one of them.

[@ChainsawGenie]

Hayley had to suffer through it as well on American Dad. When I saw her being handcuffed by her father in the first episode, I decided 'Fuck this shit!!' and changed the channel. -_- I still don't watch it (or any of Seth's nonsense) these days but I was lucky enough, one night, to switch to an action sequence where Hayley was beating up her father. Needless to say, it put a satisfied smile on my face...until the ending of the episode made me change the channel again in disgust. 9_9 I see nothing but animated humdrum in Seth's future.

[@imthatpersonyouwerenotlook5580]

Laura Marschmallow Same here

[@keegster7167]

+Laura Marschmallow Yea, but somehow it's also boring.

[@pedrosaabedra5653]

it annoys when people say "its a cartoon calm down" to us that is not the point, we find the abuse of Meg not funny, its unfunny and pointless, lets hope to go back with her being a normal teenage girl and not a butt monkey character.

[@mollyreinhardt2272]

I love family guy but that always does bother me. Originally meg was an outcast because there was only one girl on set and she wasn’t part or writing. Seth and the other guys didn’t understand girls at all, but I don’t think this is a good reason to make meg so abused!

[@Lauren_210]

I’m just generally so sick and tired of Disney remaking all of their animated movies. I’m extremely angry and upset that my favorite film of all time is getting a totally unnecessary live-action remake. The original Lion King is a timeless, animated, masterpiece and one of the greatest films of all time. Everything in the 1994 film was perfect as it could be and it still continues to be loved to this day by fans and other people out there. There are no humans in this movie, so it’s not even going to be live-action, but rather photorealism CGI??? It absolutely disgusts me knowing that in about 2 years, whenever I talk about my favorite film, I’m gonna have to refer to it not only by its title, but by either saying “The 1994 one” or “the animated film.” 😡 I don’t support Disney doing all of these live-action remakes of their classic animated films and I don’t want to give money to this. To me, it feels like the remakes have become the new “direct to video sequels” trend Disney’s doing. 😒

[@da-vidcargill4975]

some are actually good so forcing ur oponions on others

[@papershadow]

Some of the live actions movies have been fine/competent, but I have not seen one that offered me anything that the original film did not. The closest I've seen to a LA adaptation of a Disney film that recaptures the spirit and charm is the Aladdin Broadway show, and that's because the changes they made in service to the format also worked with the vault material they adapted, and they let characters like Aladdin, the Genie, Jafar (though it helps that he was the same actor as the original film), the Sultan, etc. take liberties with the characters to feel natural rather than force a change onto the story or stringently adhere to the existing version.

[@toongrowner1]

I know how you feel man, it allmost feels like disney is ashamed of it's 2D animated past and I really don't get why. As a lover of animation I can say, these are timeless classics that also became these classics thanx to their wonderfull oustanding animation. Even in disneys not so good movies, the animation is still freakin amazing, so I really don't get why disney wants to deny what made them so great to begin with. Whoever came up with this live action remake this is certainly on my "people I need to punch" list.

[@Lauren_210]

papershadow69 I actually have seen The Lion King on broadway for my 15th birthday over 6 years ago and it was spectacular. Really, a lot of the Disney broadway shows are the “live action” versions of the movies lol. In addition, I also saw the original movie in the theaters in 2011 and I had to take that two week opportunity because I didn’t get to see it back then since I wasn’t born until 1996. That experience was also great seeing it with so many people and I was silently mouthing the iconic lines and songs since I’ve memorized the first (and second film) by heart. I do hope to see Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast on Broadway someday.

[@tritter15]

Honestly, it wouldn’t bother me if it had been the movies were ones that weren’t initially popular. For example, a live action version of Disney’s Atlantis or Treasure Planet. The concept itself isn’t bad, it’s just that it’s kinda unnecessary for the ones that are already well known and popular.

[@sandy120]

I agree with pretty much everything except one thing... the boondocks theme is fucking incredible

[@ebagentj]

Agreed. Besides, considering the tone, themes, and subject matter of the show, was there anything they could have used other than rap/hip-hop?

[@SplashFire0X]

ATHF's theme is badass too. Adult Swim seems to know what's up

[@taurus2617]

*cough* samurai champloo

[@fillosof66689]

is an anime, and thus out of the equation :P. Also, have to agree with the OP. I have no idea why mr. enter doesn't, and it'd be swell to get an answer to that.

[@yousefhussain2629]

agreed

[@lotusflower2062]

I know this video was made before this came out, but Primal is an excellent example of an adult show that doesn’t rely on comedy

[@BloomInTune]

I feel like Disney's best potential for good-quality remakes would be, ironically, some of their "flops". More accurately, movies like "The Black Cauldron" or "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" which I feel would've done better without Disney's "it has to be for children" mindset, and c ould clearly do better nowadays. Even if it had to be pg-13, it could still do so much more (or at least attempt more) than when BC had to "play it safe" in many respects.

[@pleasedislikemyvideo2101]

I don't think Atlantis flopped, but it definitely wasn't their most profitable movie.

[@pleasedislikemyvideo2101]

yeah I just looked it up. The worldwide gross caused it to not be a flop.

[@Ilikebats123]

Unfortunately, the remake treatment rarely happens for films that need it

[@theproplady]

I would actually like to see a version of the Little Nemo movie that's as crazy and surreal as the original comic strip (with no musical numbers and no kid-friendly comic relief characters.)

[@videon6134]

@@pleasedislikemyvideo2101 That was because it's competition was shrek.

[@nakenmil]

4:44 That's not the ending of Rio, that's somewhere in the middle. Also, Rio is as much about Brazilian musical culture as it is about birds learning to fly, so it's not only an intellectually dishonest example (it doesn't fit the criteria of being an ending), but it also is very much thematically integrated into the movie.

[@peanutbutter3946]

I think he just used the footage as filler, not necessarily an example.

[@nakenmil]

Then it's a profoundly stupid and misleading choice of filler.

[@AmdUlkoinen]

Enthused Norseman Mistakes are sometimes made.

[@bismuth7398]

@@nakenmil I personally don't like Samba, so I found the constant singing and dancing obnoxious. But that's just me. I've always preferred things that are dark and emotional. Like Tokyo Ghoul.

[@dr.altoclef9255]

Isn't the plot about how these two Spix Macaws(one of whom is apparently a socialized bird that cannot fly) are thought to be the last of their kind(the species is extinct in the wild) and are escaping poachers and are expected to bang and somehow repopulate the entire species out in the wild while there's literally only two of them..? I mean, you are as far as you know the last of your entire race and at risk of dying the way everyone else in your species has, why would you take any time for a dance party? Especially considering one cannot fly and thus cannot survive in the wild let alone be picked as a mate by a wild bird, considering...just like "we're the only ones of our species left, we're all constantly threatened by the reality that we could get kidnapped by humans and either smuggled or killed and you can't fly, let's boogie". I mean yes, in reality the circumstances are much better...there were more than 150 of the birds when they got counted 2 years ago and they'll be reintroduced in 2021, but considering the characters think they're the last two Spix, it seems odd.

[@kjw21411]

7:42 - I honestly think Yin Yang Yo! had a good theme song. I like it, anyway... Kyle Massey did a good job singing it.

[@yaro8860]

Dang, you are the first person I saw in the cartoon community who knows Yin Yang Yo. Loved that show.

[@gamerhero9559]

Kristopher Walker I love this show and the theme song.

[@B4dr4bbit]

Same here it was fun.

[@thema1998]

Kristopher Walker I think my younger brother and I saw a few episodes of "Yin Yang Yo!" but I can't remember any in particular.

[@Pan-lv7vv]

I LOVE That show!

[@taiyorenai7690]

I appreciate how blunt and honest you are in your videos. Some may say you’re overreacting or being too harsh, but I’d say brutal honesty is totally necessary with this sort of thing. It makes your videos so good, relatable and entertaining to me; speaking YOUR thoughts in a candid way that many would hold back on. Your videos are awesome, hope you keep up the good work~

[@Made_In_Heaven88]

14:20 They're already working on an adult version of Regular Show called Close Enough

[@benjamimcarvalho0]

Made_In_Heaven88 But Regular Show was a comedy...

[@varietyhub2948]

@@benjamimcarvalho0 so is that

[@benjamimcarvalho0]

@@varietyhub2948 Yes

[@Nameless82284]

He said "Adventure Time" not Regular Show, also Close Enough isn't like Regular Show.

[@walkingman4889]

It's not really a "version" because it follows a whole different story, but you know, Close Enough I guess.

[@ScottWildTornadoSponge]

Yay! A new Animated Atrocities video! So excited to see what’s in this episode!

[@demolitiongod64]

+Yoshi “The Green Mamba” Bryant no one is going to sub to you for simply asking them

[@KeganLeavess]

Everyone's always excited to see what's in a new animated atrocities! I find them awesome to watch!

[@mhggggg]

Yoshi Bryant your videos suck

[@Akrenix]

its in the fucking title

[@EliMCGamer]

read the title

[@inuwanforall5268]

Holy damn a lot of animated movies DO use dance endings what the heck

[@tigerbabe7777]

Yeah and 80% Of them annoy me

[@thekingslayer1831]

You probably forgot because they’re the most forgettable part of the movie.

[@palmtop_studios]

pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

[@spongebobplushiestuff8612]

And toy story 2 started the dance party ending

[@Ema_Not_Emma]

About $1 000 000 of budget, divided by 22 minutes, and about 20 seconds of dad noises, so divide that by 3... that dad noises clip costed approximately $15 000 to make. Jesus.

[@leongaines3805]

Static Shock has one of the best rap theme songs in animation. Also, Boondocks is up there too.

[@JussMike]

Cam Gaines Straight facts. Theme songs were fire

[@syabilaazri7834]

How about Danny Phantom?

[@darrelsam419]

Agreed. These two theme songs (and the Danny Phantom theme, although Enter's already mentioned it) are the only rap thene songs of a cartoon that is fine.

[@DissidiaGamer]

I was just about to mention Static Shock, but Boondocks does it extremely well also.

[@Adamguy2003]

Raheem, I wouldn't necessarily say it's bias. For instance, he points out that one of the main problems with it is the people writing those theme songs are clearly BAD at hip hop. If he was acting out of sheer bias towards hip hop, he'd have said that it's impossible to make hip hop good or something like that. btw, even though I personally am not a fan of hip- hop, I can concede it can be good and can occasionally make a good theme song, such as Danny Phantom, Static Shock, or Samurai Jack.

[@MayerEO]

Okay, that theory about Disney running out of adaptation ideas because they fucked themselves up by their grip on the copyright laws is extremely interesting. I honestly never thought of that.

[@RM-cn8pw]

MayerEO Well, it’s a theory he completely pulled from his ass. It is not remotely accurate.

[@davidhong1934]

What exactly is Disney's policy on copyright? I've heard tales of how draconian and overreaching their methods are, but I've never seen a clear definition for the average layman (the official legal version doesn't count since it answers nothing).

[@theproplady]

I believe it's life of the creator plus 90 years, so basically, if Disney copyrights something, no one who's alive when it happens will live to be able to make public domain content out of it.

[@MeatisMagic256]

@@RM-cn8pw I know you're a disney exec, so this won't matter. However, Disney has spearheaded every campaign to increase the length of time that content remains under ownership. Coincidentally, these campaigns have occured when Walt Disney content (primarily mickey mouse) is about to become public domain under the old laws.

[@RM-cn8pw]

adam goessl Not even a word of that was true at all.

[@Changeling9000]

Actually, the budget of Family Guy goes to the orchestrated music. Which is the best thing about the show.

[@chibiprussia5574]

OddBall64 I don't like the show anymore, the songs are good

[@dx.feelgood5825]

Chibi Prussia hello fellow trash

[@chibiprussia5574]

Hetalia Trash :3 XD Why hello to you too

[@dx.feelgood5825]

Chibi Prussia so how's it been, living without the new season out yet?

[@chibiprussia5574]

Hetalia Trash :3 I haven't seen the series at all in a long time, it's not on kissanime

[@ultimatecoasterremakes5500]

Remaking Mulan without music is like having a Doom or Wolfenstein game without metal music

[@Thedarksenshi]

Atari Jaguar: Allow me introduce myself.

[@TheCamSays]

“Who watches a Mr. Enter video at 2 in the morning?” *notification pops up* “OH BOY 2AM!” *gets snacks*

[@zacfortin9023]

NOSFERATUUUUU!!!

[@Wavorn100]

Ah...crap i should of scrolled down before making the same joke x_x

[@fabianvalenzuela3935]

Stephen Spielberg didn’t directed Back to the future. It was Robert Zemekes.

[@LadyEvilest]

Zemeckis, but yeah.

[@Ribelin2000]

Spielberg was an executive producer on that movie, but wasn't the director.

[@benpeterman1565]

He's going to kick himself over that glaring error. You don't mess with Zemeckis...

[@gimmesympathy7112]

I was hoping somebody would point that out.😉

[@SatansFire]

Theory: Adult cartoons have shitty animation because theyre less marketable and get less funding. Adult cartoons get t-shirts at most merch wise while kids shows get, figures, mcdonalds toys, advertising on everything the company can get it on, posters, hot topic shit, walmart brand toys, characters faces put on nearly everything and shitty flash games sometimes.

[@iwannabeyahtzee8056]

Apparently Black Cauldron IS getting remade. So...thats good.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

*Black Cauldron* probably *would* work better if done differently.

[@cyberdance4578]

Hopefully not as live action

[@jooree7696]

It is not. I don't know what are you talking about.

[@masterseal0418]

No. It isn’t.

[@elchemistgaming4975]

I really get sick of the "Butt Monkey" trope, it just makes me angry seeing someone trying to live their lives and try to be happy. Only for something or someone, end up ruining it for them, all the trope does for me is remind me that grade school and high school sucked.

[@LatterDayPup]

Elchemist Gaming and often the people who caused it get off Scott free (cough cough) spongebob

[@lukelichtenthal5407]

Elchemist Gaming O I agree this cliche is overrated.

[@dx.feelgood5825]

Elchemist Gaming oh hey. Fellow Mass Effect fan?

[@CMGThePerson]

If you want to use it like that, make sure the guy who caused it is intentionally hateable. It can quickly build up strong hate.

[@artofmore7197]

Elchemist Gaming Same here, bro.

[@Bobman-ml5qf]

I think the "dad noise", was Seth MacFarlane voice warm-up for Peter, and the voice recorders recorded it with out Seth knowing.

[@featurelength5086]

I think the lack of quality adult animation is more due to South Park- people of course want to follow the leader, but they seem to willfully ignore the fact that South Park gets away with frankly horrific things BECAUSE of the crappy art style. South Park never would have survived as a live action show, and even if it had Family Guy-level animation I'd wager they'd be under far more scrutiny than they are. But trying to actually make somewhat intelligent satire and censor-tweaking jokes is too much effort when you can just make another Family Guy ripoff!

[@KnakuanaRka]

Feature Length How true; can we please get an adult cartoon that isn’t trying to ride on Simpsons and South Park’s coattails?

[@Bionicleguy98]

modern south park has tons of moments with seriously good animation, and you can tell the artists put a lot of effort into it.

[@jvondd]

I hate to be that guy--especially if someone already said this--but Spielberg didn't direct the Back To The Future films. Yes, he produced them, but those are all Robert Zemeckis's movies. But your point is a good one. Spielberg has a distinct style, but he's made fantasy, sci-fi, action, drama, suspense and thriller films.

[@tinystalker1821]

I'm planning on making several adult non-comedy cartoons. One's a dystopian future filled with experimental monsters, one's a group of inexperienced young researchers getting trapped in an alternate version of earth run by mermaid-like people, and the last is a slacker 18 year old finding an easy job at an theme park only to discover it's actually the host to the four horsemen of the apocalypse. I hope I can get these all made cause I think people would really like them.

[@HomuraAkemiHQ]

I have a few concepts for adult non-comedy cartoons too!

[@tinystalker1821]

good luck to you my dude

[@ingloriousMachina]

I have similar plans! The only issue: My cartoon falls between the adult and teen demographics, and I don't know where it'd belong. It has some humour, with elements of mystery, sci-fi, action, and fantasy. I suppose it's akin to Adventure Time or Gravity Falls. Actually, the series storyline is entirely finished. I just need to add in the fine details.

[@videon6134]

I got a couple non-comedic adult cartoons as well. One is a grim and gritty, ultra violent noir style show about a detective. And the other I'll get back to you on it.

[@Ultrasteel]

@Ivory The Elephant DO IT! :)

[@emeraldarwyn5367]

11. I always found the dance party ending to be a big lipped alligator moment. Comes out of nowhere and makes for an awkward ending. 10. Yeah DP was the only one to do this right. I like rap, but DAMN these themes are trying too hard. 9. You pretty much took the words right out of my mouth with this one. Anime is making their characters look cuter, while western animation is making their characters look uglier. 8. Can i get an adult animated show that's a psychological show or drama? 7. I hate the fact that of all the disney movies i would want to see on live action PURELY FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES, only one has gotten made, that being The Jungle Book. The little mermaid in live action would probably look pretty cool during the underwater shots, and Hunchback of Notre Dame would look spectacular with the high views and fire. But sadly those arent happening. 6. Oh jesus i hate this. As someone who was practically my family's butt monkey (hell my dad outright called me his butt monkey) this trope pisses me off to no end. Unless the butt monkey is a terrible person that the audience wants to see getting the shit kicked out of them as a form of karma, but that scenario is rare to see.

[@joeschmoe2129]

It's "PURELY" for #7 but other than that I agree (Yes I know I'm a Grammar Nazi I'm sorry I have mild OCPD).

[@Manganization]

#9 is subjective as hell, but I do fully agree with his reasons for disliking shows like these. It's like adults can only feel like they're adults if they have to segregate their lifetime into parts by using media. You see this in the videogame industry too, where somehow people equate games with "realistic" and gritty graphics to "maturity", and it just reeks of someone looking for validation.

[@carlbloke8797]

Eunro well for designs of most adult cartoons are objectively lazy or ugly

[@carlbloke8797]

EmeraldArwyn dang I'm so sorry about what your family put you through

[@emeraldarwyn5367]

Carl Bloke it was all my dad and brother, who i no longer live with. My mom actually knows how to parent.

[@persephoneblack888]

Superjail has some of the coolest animated motion/dynamic posing. Especially when you consider the shape shifting qualities of the Warden.

[@isabellaceleste5756]

It's incredibly underrated! Amazing show!

[@ron4202]

It’s amazing

[@someidiotmetalhead]

Yeah, it's one of those shows that's ugly but in a way that's still fun to look at.

[@NeoKratosfan2007]

If you liked super jail, then check out ballmastrz:9009, its a delightful parody of the anime genre and its made by the same people who made super jail.

[@MrZorro-if5jw]

People don't talk enough about that show. It's one of the few cases when "gore haha" it's actually entertaining to watch

[@deusexmaximum8930]

Rap doesn't work with the Boondocks? What alternative was there?

[@vexvalentine5689]

i think the boondocks intro is one of the bests

[@crinsombone5380]

@@vexvalentine5689 it is. Idk why he put it there. I don't think any other genre of music could've worked

[@jordobuppo]

I think he just doesn't like rap intros and thats about all there is to that.

[@LordOomani]

Static shock?

[@dragonbones3885]

Aqua Teen Hunger Force was okay it wasnt awful

[@MerryMohProductions]

To be fair with 8. we still have direct to dvd movies aimed for older audiences that are not comedies like the majority of DC animated flicks. As for 7. we did get one good live-action adaptation of a cartoon, George of the Jungle.

[@legendofsonic3979]

"Every character that you draw will look better without lips" Hirohiko Araki would slap you for saying that

[@legendofsonic3979]

Alexander Gaudreau really late response but look up some of Araki's art. It's fucking beautiful.

[@SomePkmnlovingdude]

Actually, Anime has suffered from some over used clichés too. - Male protagonist is ALWAYS a wimpy, weak loser who can never stand up for himself. And either becomes stronger by the END of the series or never at all. - Female love interest is ALWAYS short-tempered, violent and never stops yelling. And ONLY changes her ways near the END of the series instead of going through character development. And sometimes, she quickly goes back to her old violent ways. - Male protagonist is ALWAYS getting abused and beaten up by females, even for things that aren't his fault or for no reason at all, and it's ALWAYS gets played for comedy. Much more common in harem animes. - Male has a crush on a nicer, kinder, sweet female, but soon falls for the violent, abusive female and marries her instead of the nicer female.

[@StellaFangX]

Don't remind me, I have to gobble that crap up when I was a kid, watching anime in the afternoons. Fortuantely I didn't watch romance ones (except the ones aimed at girls, which doesn't have that), so it wasn't terrible, but that schtick was all the rage back in the day, with the harems being the worse offenders of all. Although, with the couple of expections, anime tend to have a juvenile humor, even the ones aimed at older people, so is not surprising witnessing dumb innuendos, sex jokes or cheap slapstick against a fodder (may be a male or a female or a pet). That's one of the reasons why I don't see them at all, despite being open to a valid show.

[@ephemeralViolette]

Probably because I've only watched 2 anime, but I haven't seen any of these clichés.

[@SomePkmnlovingdude]

Anime's aimed at girls also often have girls abuse guys for comedy. And speaking of girls abusing boys, that got taken up to eleven in the later years. Pretty much 75% of anime's are nothing but girls abusing boys nowadays.

[@SomePkmnlovingdude]

Then your lucky you haven't seen anime's like Nisekoi, Familiar of Zero, Baka & test etc..

[@thenew4559]

Anime is plagued with tropes, It they also tend to be more creative. While much of their comedy is recycled and trophy, much of the themes and stories of the shows are very original, at least in fantasy and scifi genres. Harem and slice of life anime’s are as generic as it gets.

[@benjamincameron520]

The fact that every cartoon needs to be for either children or adults, as if pre teens/teens don't exist.

[@RavenStarMedia]

9. Putting no effort into the animation/visuals in adult animation. And that is one major reason why Hazbin Hotel is the only adult animation I like. That and most adult animated shows are too crass (Hazbin has its moments, but the crassness is not only limited to a few characters, but it's the result of character interactions rather than just "a crass joke for no reason").

[@slyshadow205]

I was thinking the exact same thing! I've watched so many animated films from Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks, and WAG (Lego movie creators), and this film manages to rip off every single one of them! It takes a very special kind of low to achieve that level of incompetence!

[@LooneyCartoonMan]

AMERIFOX You mean Walt Disney Animation Studios for and WAG is Warner Bros. Animation (Only for their newer theatrical feature films)

[@TheFrugalVideoGamer]

Unfortunately, the reason adult animation is always comedic is due to so many people believing that that's *all* it can be. As Roger Ebert put it - "Every time an animated film is successful, you have to read all over again about how animation isn't 'just for children' but 'for the whole family,' and 'even for adults going on their own.' No kidding!" As for an adult animated series that's a mystery - I'd recommend the anime series "Monster", though good luck finding it.

[@KnakuanaRka]

ironballs16 I’m not sure about the first part, but I agree that adult animation should really look to the variety in Japan. Why can’t America make its own Berserk or Death Note or Bleach?

[@rabbit0664]

Well you can find it on Watchcartoonsonline, if it's still there. Nice choice though, loved Monster.

[@millerrepin4452]

kzbin.info/aero/PLvvFPIcXwU4OGVLwi8-IgKfpzLQQRbyXs found it

[@rabbit0664]

@@millerrepin4452 Thanks. Thanks so much.

[@Reydriel]

@@Anteksanteri I'm not sure why that is an issue? Also consider the fact that it's a Japanese work, they use foreign languages in their titles like we do with Latin and shit :P

[@gracekim1998]

Let’s not forget the ‘two best friends become lovers’ trope or everyone assuming any character on screen is gay or something even when it’s very unnecessary

[@whammo5779]

I just want to point out that movies which are based around a large cliche, aren't always bad. the bad part is when they do that and don't do something else that's way different. Zootopia, for example, is based around "You can do anything" and is a world of animals. the biggest cliche in the universe. Even with this, it's still a good movie because takes those cliches to level, and put a new spin on everything else. like how it points out: yeah, you can do anything, but it's not going to be easy, you'll have to work really hard, and things will go wrong, and not everything is going to work out perfectly, but you can work through it get past it. it also has a commentary on racism, which you may think is good or bad, but you have to agree that it does it pretty well, and points out many non child appropriate problems in a PG way. Sorry for such a long comment and if you read all the way through it please criticize my short essay, to help me do better next time. Also thanks for reading it

[@takashi0100]

"Hopefully in 2019 we can stop this Mickey Mouse Protection act shit" Dear Enter, I come to you from two years in the future. Guess what? It's worse than ever and there's no light at the end of the tunnel in sight.

[@ItsOver9000000]

I'm a story driven person. I like watching things for the plot and character development, not to see the same shit and the same jokes in every episode, so I heavily agree with #8. That's honestly why I watch more anime than American cartoons (but a looooot of recent cartoons here are more story driven and I love that.) Now I can give you a list of tired anime cliches, the biggest ones being in romance/slice of life type shows.

[@ItsOver9000000]

Also I gotta comment on the "Danny Phantom is the only cartoon to do a good rap opening" because that's just a lie. A cartoon like The Boondocks wouldn't work with any other type of genre BUT rap/hip-hop. And just because it's not making new episodes doesn't mean that the animation still wasn't great for its time. I honestly forgot that show came out over 10 years ago. It doesn't feel that long. Plus that's one example that wasn't just a straight comedy.

[@thenew4559]

I agree, although anime as a whole has its own problems. I don’t know what you are referring to though when you say recent western animation is becoming more story based, I can’t think of any story based American shows. To me they only seem to be getting much worse, much less story based and more episodic, with a few outliers such as the samurai jack reboot, rick and Morty, etc.

[@jackgarcia5926]

While Anime has far more variety in terms of genre, each genre is plagued by the exact same tropes and cliches, to the point that all animes pertinent to a certain genre feel like Carbon copies of each other, it is absolutely awful. There are exceptions of course, but they are just that, exceptions and the anime market is over saturated, no one enjoys digging trough garbage in order to find a gem. While Western animation has far less variety in terms of Genre's, they are no where near as formulaic as most anime. Sturgeon's law is present on both, however...

[@cartoonfanatictoo]

I mean, older cartoons like Teddy Ruxpin, Transformers, G.I Joe, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Adventures of The Galaxy Rangers, Inhumanoids, Jem, ThunderCats (both versions) , DuckTales, and then later with shows such The Legend of Prince Valiant, Invasion America, Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders, X-Men, Spiderman, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Incredible Hulk, Double Dragon, King Arthur and The Knights of Justice, Shadow Raiders, The Pirates of Dark Water, Conan the Adventurer, Exosquad, Phantom 2040, Beast Wars, Gargoyles, Reboot, Superman TAS, Silver Surfer, Batman Beyond, Xyber 9: New Dawn, Redwall, XMen Evolution, As Told By Ginger, TMNT (later 1987 series episodes and 2003 series), He-Man (both 1983 and 2002 versions), Jackie Chan Adventures, Static Shock, Justice League/Unlimited, Argai: The Prophecy, Chris Colorado, WITCH, Xiaolin Showdown, Danny Phantom, Codename Kids Next Door, Teen Titans, American Dragon (Season 2), Kim Possible (Season 4), Avatar: The Last Airbender, Transformers Animated, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2003 and 2008 series)/Rebels, Ben 10 (OS and UAF), The Batman, Legion of Superheros, Total Drama, Speed Racer The Next Generation, Wolverine and The X-Men, Spectacular Spiderman, Iron Man: Armored Adventures have definite continuity and a story that moves forward. You would never understand future episodes without watching older ones.

[@cartoonfanatictoo]

There's still a lot of episoic shows on now such as Gumball Harvey Besks Pivkle n Peanut Teen Titans Go The Powerpuff Girls Reboot Ben 10 Cloudy Wacky Races The Tom and Jerry Show and more

[@redblue9573]

THANK YOU!!! finally, someone confronts the Disney move remakes as a straight up cliche and not just a trend

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

I think that The Boondocks and Aqua Teen Hunger Force had good opening rap theme songs!

[@TheHaviocdarkmoon]

at least Boondocks does

[@SpunkyDunk]

Have you ever seen The Plague Dogs? I highly recommend it, I think it avoids every animation cliche in your list. It has the same creators of the Watership Down animated movie, and the heavily dark and depressing tone is probably why it's so obscure today, as it certainly shouldn't have been advertised as kid-friendly. But trust me, it all builds up to the ending, which is one of my all time favorites, it's a beautiful work of art and has made me and my friends cry like babies when I showed it to them. I'm not telling you how to critique anything, but I would be surprised if you didn't label it as an "Admirable Animation" someday.

[@krakenloco]

It's not obscure at all, trust me. Most of Rosen's films are very well known in the animation circles. Just because something isn't mainstream doesn't mean it's obscure by default.

[@krakenloco]

And Watership Down is better and less overrated. :^)

[@leirawhitehart1236]

I've never seen it, but something tells me if it's anything like watership down, I won't like it. If you like it, that's fine though, it's your taste not mine.

[@rabbit0664]

Forget you, that movie was sad. It was good though but sad.

[@tomread8748]

I'm guessing that it doesn't have a dance party ending.

[@pacegraciejiujitsuacademy8291]

My most hated cliche in western animation is the designated hero cliche where the hero or mc does alot of unheroic things and is a total jerk to everyone yet we were supposed to root for him

[@noahalcantar2431]

I agree

[@dontkickmychick6076]

This comes from when someone wants/the plot needs for X character to be a hero, but they forgot/don't know how to actually make them act like one

[@Synonymous_Legion]

Spawn: The Animated Series is the closest thing I can think of for a non-comedy animated adult series.

[@tiavor]

Tim Burton's Alice was not far away enough from the Disney version and not close enough to the _original_ 1865 Alice. this is why everyone just hates it.

[@gman4736]

I LOVED the live action jungle book and live action beauty in the beast

[@lilaniloxi]

I acrually really liked tim berton's alice in wonderland.both movies. Probably because i didn't watch the original.

[@hotwax9376]

+Tiavor Kuroma It seems like most people liked it

[@theproplady]

I didn't like it because of that scene of Johnny Depp dancing looked really stupid. It reminded me of that cheesy live action TV version of Alice in Wonderland that they did in the 80s. I also hated the costumes in the Burton version. Depp looked like he fell onto a pile of vomit in a run down Hot Topic.

[@luma4902]

I like it

[@SupremeMarioGamer]

Even the worst cliches can be done well. Except love triangles, those are always bad.

[@markcobuzzi826]

The only cartoon (which comes to my mind at the moment) that actually pulled off a good love triangle story, in my opinion, was Disney's adaptation of "The Hunchback of Notre Dame." The story is catalyzed by four men who become infatuated with the same girl (in the Disney film, it is three, since Phoebus and Pierre Gringoire are made into one composite character). The reason why I think that "love square" (or "love pentagon" in the book's case) works is because it actually serves an important purpose for the story's themes. Besides religion, prejudice, societal corruption, etc. other major themes are unrequited infatuations and how destructive it is to have warped notions of sexuality/romantic love. The story uses those relationships that Esmeralda has with the various men as an opportunity to deeply explore into elements like lust, jealousy, the Madonna/Whore complex, expressions of self-giving love through platonic vs. sexual relationships, friendship, misogyny, celibacy, the effects of embracing Puritanical mindsets or shallow debauchery devoid of love/respect/commitment, and how relationships are most healthy when both people see each other simply as human beings, without one demonizing/deifying/objectifying the other.

[@DarkSpyro707]

Mark Cobuzzi he was making a reference...

[@Lauren_210]

SupremeMarioGamer I also hate them too. I think movies like Twilight are what cemented my hatred for love triangles. Even for good shows that I love like the Legend of Korra, I hated when they included the triangle in the first season. Unless they are played up for laughs like in a sitcom and the triangle could create hilarious moments, I just generally cannot stand the pointless drama.

[@garfieif8187]

Someone should make a love square

[@PonmonofNuggetor]

Emperor Palpitoad Honestly, Quasi was lucky to be alive at the end of the movie

[@mikethegrunty5968]

Three rapp themes that are awesome: Danny Phantom, boondocks, and samurai champloo

[@syabilaazri7834]

How about 2012 TMNT?

[@mikethegrunty5968]

Syabila Azri that’s a good on too

[@onihaiena6152]

Samurai Jack?

[@mikethegrunty5968]

Doctah Wahwee stand corrected

[@prestonandjaxonstudios3625]

In my opinion, Spongebobs animation is underrated. It ain't as good as some others, but it's got nice finesse, good designs, and recently smooth character animation along with HD.

[@YuriPrince0]

Mulan without songs? Dishonor on you! Dishonor on your cow!

[@Wumblebum]

adult cartoons all being comedy is so annoying................. I've wanted to make an adult cartoon that was fully serious for a while but it would take forever without a good budget RIP

[@eonstar]

(anime?)

[@BenelliAkimbo]

watch the Spawn tv series

[@4snekwolfire813]

Zootopia has an excuse for their ending, one of the characters was a pop-star, and the dance party was in the credits, because the movie had an actual ending! Praise Disney for being competent!

[@isaacschmitt4803]

To say that all adult cartoons are comedy is like saying all children's cartoons are comedy, and both are false. Just because a show uses humor doesn't make it a comedy. Hell, look at Romeo and Juliet, one of the most famous Tragedies. The character Mercutio is possibly one of the funniest characters Shakespear ever wrote. He even gets a joke in his last words to the effect of "'tis but a flesh wound." Shakespeare, making Monty Python references before it was cool. I would classify shows like Bojack Horseman, "F" is for Family, and Rick and Morty as tragedies, with one hit after the next whittling the main cast away. That's part of why I find them unwatchable. In old school prose, comedy is everything that isn't inherently depressing. Adventure Time, Regular Show, Fairly Odd Parents, and to a point Teen Titans (classic) are all comedies, though Teen Titans does have quite a bit more character development. And I think that's what you mean when you say all adult cartoons are comedies. Most have very little in character development. Archer never really progresses past being a man child with mommy issues and being a surprisingly amazing spy. Every single one of Seth McFarlane's main characters is always an obnoxious, out of touch father of three and never changes. Even Rick and Morty, the "smartest" show on TV, invlolves no development, at least not on Rick's part. He just goes on being the same idiotic, selfish asshole with nothing learned from his adventures except maybe how to be more of a selfish asshole. The only time he ever progresses as a human being is to further his own selfish goals (ie. Pickle Rick). So if there's a trope endemic to adult animation, its a lack of meaniningful character development. And its why so many adults, especially younger adults, tend to cling to shows like Teen Titans (classic), Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Samurai Jack, Avatar the Last Airbender, and the like. They have character development that, even if you can't personally relate to, you can understand. They're good stories. The steak and potatoes of entertainment where Family Guy is the deep fried Twinkies coated in Pixie Stix and cocaine.

[@isaacschmitt4803]

Oop! One more exception to the rule of pointless adult animation: Venture Brothers. Character progression, cheeky references, rewatchable, and in the more recent seasons, actually decent animation.

[@baconbasket6247]

You're way off base when you say Rick and Morty had no character development. It's not that Rick didn't develop, it's that his growth wasn't obvious. That's who Rick is: He doesn't want you to know that he changed. He doesn't want people to know his true emotion or what he really feels about his family. Putting Rick to the side, literally every other main character changed almost entirely, especially Morty. He started off as this 14 year old, awkward, passive shy boy until Season 3 where he stood up to the President. Beth even changed completely, seeing how she not only dropped her abandonment baggage, but even stood up for Jerry, which would have been the total opposite in the beginning. The list goes on, but that show glorified character growth and change.

[@jakubn3809]

In Family Guy the characters actually regress through the seasons.

[@dgood5707]

I know this is off topic, but am I the only one that loves the first Rio movie? The sequel's okay

[@sophiefilo16]

I thought most people preferred the first movie...

[@PrGibus]

I lik rio

[@PrGibus]

*lick

[@andykishore]

I've seen that movie years ago.

[@michaelrobertson8835]

@@sophiefilo16 Same

[@exiledPostman]

Hey, Aqua Teen Hunger Force and The Boondocks both had good theme songs.

[@carlosdavidg7]

The emoji movie did onething completely original... Being not original at all

[@lazykirby57]

Carlos Guerra I know this is old but. This is the most underrated comment I’ve seen

[@bizarroplasticman298]

The paradox hurts thinking about this

[@jd50053]

it didn't even do that originally

[@alexandermcmiller6175]

In that sense, it is quite brilliant

[@NoEntertainment]

being unoriginal is starting to become unoriginal it's becoming so common that unoriginality will be unoriginal at some point

[@ascended8174]

Animated KZbinr cliches An avatar with several poses that change with how the guy is talking

[@thomasfoster1181]

But he’s not a member of a huge industry

[@farenhite4329]

#1: folding arms when making a point.

[@defectivesickle5643]

You gottem there chief

[@occasionalfan-content4771]

Vlogger cliches Some guy who keeps talking to the camera that always records in the same house

[@jackpijjin4088]

@@occasionalfan-content4771 Human cliches: Breathing and having a pulse

[@PerkyPyra]

7:55 Satorl Marsh's theme from Xenoblade: Chronicles is in the background. Delicious taste in music, Enter!

[@mae8910]

Iris Equinox I knew why the music was familiar. I thought I was imagining things

[@jackgarcia5926]

Nice catch

[@excalibur2772]

Good but weird choice

[@dirgenmeister4018]

Hmmmm... lips that look good on a drawn character... JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJO

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Aristocritic I kind of agree with him though. ALL of Mortal Kombat X's characters don't have lips except for Mileena and ALL of them including her looks great...

[@corazonfeathers8116]

Almost every character got those DSL lips And I love it

[@MagmaPaint]

I see your Jojo and raise you Betty Boop.

[@varietyhub2948]

Light Yagami what about total drama

[@pleasedislikemyvideo2101]

in Total Drama they look okay, but as a whole that show isn't very stylized.

[@spikethegodposter1293]

Spielberg didn't direct back to the future

[@viyhexe131]

12:00 The fact that Genndy Tartakovsky is getting his own mature show on Adult Swim gives me hope that this trend can be broken!

[@sierragaunt6623]

Oh boy. *grabs popcorn* 2am upload.

[@marley7868]

being nocturnal has it's perks huh

[@crazyluigi6664]

11:20 P.M. for me. :P

[@master-of-frogs5415]

"Who watches animated atrocities at 1 am?" "Oh boy 1 am!"

[@linoinkyplantythingy]

It was 7am for me

[@EdwinShy3200]

2am for me as well

[@gamerhero9559]

You know the worst animated cliches I hate the most? The Liar Revealed, The Bullies, Useless Adults, and All the Other Reindeer. The Liar Revealed - Basically, the hero or villain made a huge lie about themselves and when they got exposed, instead of asking questions why they lie, they're immediately thrown under the bus and abandoned by everyone they care about or kicked out from their homes and treated them like dirt. This doesn't make the story in any shows work as this cliche stops the story to make the liar suffer because "lying will ruin your life". We know that, but can you NOT have other characters be out of character and ostracized the liars in questioned? The Bullies - Whether a jock, cheerleader, teacher, or even a nerd, this cliche was always used to give the audience a reason to feel bad for the main character who has to put up with these people everyday. I get it, bullying is also the worst thing to happen to people, but many cartoons lately made the bullies one-dimensional, since not all of them has character other than making their victims suffer because they can. Useless Adults - When a person seeks help from an authority and receives it, they know they can trust that adult whenever they have problems. But today's shows always have adults completely incompetent on their jobs or worst accused the victims of the situations of them causing trouble without getting the both sides of the story.That implies to the audience, especially the kids, to not ask help from authorities and take matters into their own hands, making things worst. All the Other Reindeer - Having the main character being disrespected and abused on a daily basis because of their past or because of their family's past doesn't work well with me. Because everyone acts like the MC is a disgusting criminal even though he done nothing bad or even met other people. Or because the MC is too different from others, so that MC is a freak of nature. It's pretty much saying that being different is a sin and it's your fault you're not normal to other people...

[@Lauren_210]

Dante Bell I remember Doug Walker doing a similar list like this several years ago called “Top 11 Worst Movie cliches” and he also mentioned the liar revealed and bully cliches. I also hate the misunderstanding, love triangles, greedy villains, and death fake outs. 🙄

[@gamerhero9559]

Yeah, don't get me started with low blow humor like burping and farting and butt jokes...The shows who does these constantly has very low opinion to kids and anyone else watching it...

[@gamerhero9559]

I blamed Disney for the death fakeouts when the character was just knocked out...

[@taiasoncole8148]

Dante Bell A lot of the clichés you mentioned are not recent I've seen them in tons of shows growing up and watching a lot of shows from the past (Talking mostly 80's - Now)

[@gamerhero9559]

And I noticed they're getting worst to the point they're really uncomfortable...

[@NeoWocky]

I'll stomach the Diseny remakes until they give us the Hunchback of Notre Dam in live action that is actually dark and gritty. Make the gargoyles firmly into a creation of Quasimodo's mind and cut their screen time but change nothing else. That would make it my favorite movie of all time.

[@RM-cn8pw]

Gerard Guzmán Sandoval They are potentially doing that. Look it up.

[@yaro8860]

I'd love it if they would make Frollo a little more like he is in the book. He started out rescuing Quasimodo (and not killing his mother) when he found him as a abandoned child, really cared for him and raised him like a son. And I'd want the live action movie to be different because else it would be unnecessary.

[@MalescoM]

I've been waiting for that to happen! The only thing I want is Tom Hooper as the director.

[@thejedisonic67]

Make the Gargoyles also more like fatherly figures to Quasimodo instead of stupid quirky friends.

[@coryman125]

I can't wait til Disney runs out of old animations to re-make in cheesy live-action remakes, and starts remaking those live-action movies into proper animations without all the weird self-aware jokes

[@souppdog1916]

How are you gonna say Danny Phantom had the only good rapping theme song when The Boondoks exists. It fit the theme and the song is fire

[@smashlimeblogspot1]

ITS 11 O CLOCK BUT MR ENTER IS TOO IMPORTANT

[@VT-Scribbles]

Glad I'm not the only one angry about Gigantic.

[@Lauren_210]

VT I was looking forward to that movie. I’m so sad they cancelled it. 😞

[@JMJonesYSZ]

Gigantic was my most hype movie of 2020. I can't believe they shelved it!

[@Wiimeiser]

Replaced it with a sequel to Frozen and a live action Fantasia. Seriously, what the fuck? Fantasia is _made for animation_, and Frozen is a mediocre movie yet is _still_ selling merchandise (mind you, it would've been good if they hadn't started over two thirds of the way through)

[@Pawek13]

Wiimeiser Its slot will be filled by another original Disney animation. The sequel to "Frozen" has nothing to do with its cancellation.

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

Wiimeiser those things were already in motion before Gigantic was cancelled as have nothing to do with it. And I think if the project does not work it's should be cancelled rather than to make something poor. They tried to make the film work for a long time but it didn't. Is an issue if films get cancelled all the time like with Dreamworks but you can do it one every 10 years or so like Disney animation. And I have been waiting Gigantic since it was announced and had the art as my screensaver for a long time.

[@devincory9695]

Shrek was groundbreaking. Fight me.

[@user-si5fm8ql3c]

No you can't fight the Truth

[@Joelivingsten1667]

No jimmies were shook my friend. You're on the internet.

[@vexvalentine5689]

you cant fight the truth my man

[@VagineerHuur]

Please say that's actually controversial

[@erinmeagher7339]

... literally no one would disagree with you on that.

[@michaelbautista9894]

The emoji movie=😂 Me=☠️

[@Samrules888]

the emoji movie is what happens when society accomodates the mentally feeble.

[@sssstick]

Michael Bautista my most used emoji is 🅱️. Not disappointed

[@sssstick]

Juan Morales meh Sony is a rich company. They made a PS4 that was flawless and didn’t receive any erro- oh wait. I forgot. My PS4 died cause i opened a virtual keyboard in LittleBigPlanet 3 (legit happened)

[@mariopokemon955]

Michael Bautista no it =😑 but to us it is=👿☠️👹👺😈💩

[@Double400]

Ayy what up?

[@hearts4lyfe855]

Mr. Enter: Why don't we have a mystery/fantasy/horror themed adult cartoon? Me: *Wanting to make an adult cartoon with all three genres* Now this looks like a job for me!

[@LoversComet]

Hearts 4 Lyfe XD. I've always wanted to do that. :)

[@critica77y77]

Hearts 4 Lyfe: So everybody, just follow me 'Cause we need a little contoversy 'Cause it feels so empty without me

[@videon6134]

Castlevania on Netflix has some of this not mystery the last two.

[@isobelmiller7464]

Well, then, why don't you do that? That would be great!

[@marieclaire6193]

Hearts 4 Lyfe YOU DO THAT GIRL! I'm rooting for you! 👍

[@jackolantern9034]

Umm, the Rio example from the dance ending is actually in the middle.

[@SlamTF2]

I think all adult animation being comedy-based goes back to your explanation of why there's so few linear story cartoons in western media, because a lot of the genres that would work would require or semi-require a linear story like Avatar where you have to watch the episodes in order. It's a lot more difficult to really write cartoons and stories for most genres where you can start wherever you want and jump between any episodes in any order you want. There are exceptions of course, for one, an adult mystery/detective show wouldn't need a linear plotline and thus could be episodic, in fact because of the freedoms of animation, an animated adult cartoon based around detectives solving paranormal events or murders or whatever could work very well and likely would catch on if done the right way, because there's no shortage of detective and murder mystery live action / real action shows on TV today, there's even an entire channel dedicated to murder-mystery shows aimed at adults (ID Investigation).

[@maxleon61702]

Death Note and Elfen Lied: *Exist*.