HYBE's Cursed History with Girl Groups - From Glam to New Jeans

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Whether it's BTS, TXT or Enhypen, HYBE is well known for producing numerous successful boy groups. However, the company's history with its girl groups has been a lot more turbulent. From arrests, to bullying scandals, to a complete ban on female idols altogether, HYBE is infamous for having an especially hard time with girl groups, leading to what some have dubbed "HYBE's girl group curse". Today we will be revisiting the timeline of scandals and unfortunate events that befell each and every single girl group under HYBE.
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[@ploopy678]

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[@talia1541]

thanks! i was so confused i was like 'have i read this somewhere before??' lmao

[@Tigerhoshifajita]

I LOVE YOU PLOOPY

[@jiwoo..22]

Hii

[@Sashimitch_]

Ploppy, i think u made an error here at 2:33

[@gowongodmom4851]

Love you girl but I wish you had covered how faulty the evidence was for her guilt. I’m sorry but that situation is not obviously not true. Garam was most definitely innocent it takes some research but it’s not the hardest thing to find out.

[@icv.jungwon4833]

the fact that garam was actually proved innocent makes the things she went through extremely worst

[@kpopisntjustbtsandbpstupid]

Exactly, the group was way more better with garam too

[@finn7655]

How my Friends still Talk Shit about her is so sad I Always Liked her but yeah such a shame

[@Leeleeistotallyhere]

​@@finn7655The fact that everyone just belived that lying prick and didn't even stayed neutral is just crazy the fact that they sound like the actual bully

[@makenya977]

​@@kpopisntjustbtsandbpstupidFR 0:17

[@aoaoutmothers]

​@@kpopisntjustbtsandbpstupidnow let's be honest, the group did way more better and gained way more popularity as ot5 but I do miss garam and feel that the group is incomplete whenever they perform fearless as ot5

[@rumyum]

What I got from this video: HYBE shouldn't be avoiding girl groups, girl groups should be avoiding HYBE

[@Rynziie]

FRR

[@qh7176]

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[@sm_sf]

I've always found the idea of child entertainers creepy. Even if the parents try to be involved I'm sure there's still a lot of time when these kids are left alone with a bunch of strangers essentially. Entertainment industry is already shady and exploitative so imagine a child navigating that.

[@glissful7017]

Ikrrrr. Why isn't this considered as child labor? It's not just that but I've seen so* many videos about the dark side of kpop and how overworked idols are, and they still have child idols. And the hate that comes with it too.

[@IGNIITED]

Yes. Just because the parents allow it doesnt mean its not child exploitation. Parents can be blinded by fame too. For example, disney.

[@neb.9489]

@@glissful7017 It’s the same in the US for singers. There’s not laws in place for children in entertainment

[@Tyrenexg]

@@neb.9489 yeah, some child entertainers who faced that: Justin Bieber

[@stacie1595]

Thats why I think ANYONE working with or around these young idols and trainees should have to go through the same level of background checks and manditory reporter paperwork similar to people who work in schools. Like if you have trainees who are middle schoolers, then every single staff member who interacts with them, from the stylist to the random dude in marketing, has to be properly screened. If theater work (broadway, west end, touring shows) are able to protect and support whole casts of 8 to 14 year olds in shows like Matilda, Peter Pan, and Billy Eliot, then why on earth can't kpop companies do it?

[@luv_theluv4311]

Garam did what literally ANYONE would do. If someone shared pics of MY friends changing, there would be WAY more things shared than just curse words. Knetz have no room judging garam for cussing someone out for good reason when they bodyshame, bully, attack, and tell idols to “delete” themselves on the regular. Fans ruined her career and refuse to acknowledge it. There’s no way she can comeback from this and it’s so sad. I hope she can find another passion and live a good life.

[@redvelvetisbetter.1377]

fr

[@Idle_adventures]

I feel like cussing someone and bullying are completely different things. It's the same for Soojin's case. Her "friend" made Soojin wait for hours. Soojin is the one being bullied if anyone. And then she got angry at them just as she should. It's not bullying?? They just didn't have a good relationship.

[@evangelinespace]

ikr #justiceforgaram

[@ykilyr]

can i know what actually happened to garam? i know she was cancelled for nothing but why? genuinely want to know this can someone explain

[@luv_theluv4311]

@@ykilyr as soon as garam became known as a member of le sserafim, she was accused by someone of massive bullying, and her “evidence” was “she did this”. She also revealed a school document saying Garam got a level 5 punishment (which is very bad) and got expelled, but she only showed a TINY piece of the document and nothing else. Hybe originally defended Garam, but after severe backlash from fans (and i mean SEVERE), they went silent and eventually kicked her out. Garam later revealed what happened (the accuser was a bully and took photos of Garam’s friend and spread them around, and all Garam did was defend her friend and curse out the accuser) and showed her version of the school document which was much more clear. There was very little evidence showing Garam was a bully, but netizens just ran with the accusation and harassed Garam to a degree I haven’t seen in a long time. Her career was ruined because the general public didn’t wait for anything official to come out and just wanted to hate on someone. It’s very sad

[@karinasnooodles_]

I miss Gfriend every day, hopefully they comeback, as they won their name's trademark

[@thethingcalledlisa]

And hopefully they do that without Hybes involvement, they don't need it anyways since they are really well known and their fandom's huge

[@R.bnt.Y]

I am not sure if you are aware of the situation but HYBE is trying to get the trademark AGAIN! THE AUDACITY! Anyways, I have a question regarding this issue: When HYBE was first denied their request why didn't the members file for it themselves? Why did they leave the trademark hanging (which gave HYBE another opportunity to attempt to own their trademark)?

[@andieamigu5214]

Same 😭😭😭

[@nyanchan5906]

Is it possible tho? Because the members already signed to different agencies.

[@thethingcalledlisa]

@@nyanchan5906 if their companies agree it definitely would and there's no reason for them to not release at least one single on an anniversary since they'd get a ton of money

[@mitzy8182]

even if she was/is guilty, no one had the right to cyberbully her, those are some double standards right there. and when she was kicked there was absolutely nothing to celebrate, as no one was the winner in the situation. people made a whole serious matter into a joke, disgusting

[@Pain-yx1ri]

yr right!! I defended her sm on my tiktok!! People should never bully someone, its so hypocrite behaviour. When idol comes to scandal, i dont like to judge quickly. I want to wait. Bullying/dating/appropriation/lazy dance scandals etc i dont want to hate because we dont know idols circumstance, they go through so much. We need to keep in mind that we always only know 50% of the situation or less. We dont know as much as we think!

[@joohoneybun]

as a longtime og kpopper since 2008, i have learned over the years to wait until the full story comes out. there are way too many talented people out there that were innocent the entire time. bullying in retaliation is unacceptable. i usually keep my opinions to myself when it comes to these types of cases. like the mina and jimin case, everyone was defending mina and sabotaging jimin. i was neutral. of course i was happy when jimin was proven innocent, but i was also angry because her career was so unnecessarily ruined. mina was smug the whole time, raking in the attention, basking in the empathy she didn't deserve. so in this situation with le sserafim, i will stay neutral until she's proven innocent or guilty. i think what everyone needs to learn is to be mature and stay neutral. yes you love them, you don't want to see them go down, but some of y'all are looking through rose coloured glasses.

[@HwasaHottieXSolarMoon]

What’s weird is that they think a school would confirmed it. If her school confirmed it then they are a bad school their reputation will be not a safe school.

[@ShelbieChiu]

I just watched all of Le sserifim’s videos and even if the accusations were true Garam could have changed because it was so long ago and like people are cyber bullying her and that is also a kind of bullying.I think the things netizens commented are either hatred or double standards because people just have a thought stuck in their head that idols must be entirely innocent like it is a requirement. I honestly feel bad for her because a lot of other idols get involved in these kinds of things but she didn’t have a fan base so not much people supported her.

[@ShelbieChiu]

And she must have worked hard to debut and all of the work was gone just because of a scandal.

[@user-cv2vo5wn9m]

i can’t comprehend how people will stan literal 14 year olds just because they’re kpop idols and ignore the dangers they are going through, starting from the managment. let’s not act like the production team doesn’t know how outrageous the lyrics of cookie, WRITTEN FIRST IN ENGLISH, were and have basically used that to boost its popularity

[@mimozav]

I honestly can’t stan new jeans because they’re girls my age. I can’t imagine ”stanning” someone who is the same age as me. I don’t mind stanning 16+ year old’s because i would never be friends with people of that age but in new jeans there are members who i could literally be friends with based on age. + i’m not judging anyone but to me it feels weird that for example a 30 year old man would stan and follow a teenager’s life. Luckily for now new jeans fanbase seems to be teenagers to young adults (internationally at least) and mostly female

[@beans7867]

I find it gross how popular cookie has become as a song. It disgusts me whenever I hear it - the writers knew what they were doing it esp writing it in English first

[@Bread_Jinie]

@@mimozav so like as a 12 year old, am I allowed to Stan new jeans ? I'm an ARMY so that is ok I know that. I do agree that cookie has VERY concerning lyrics, but I kinda think that their songs are catchy though ? I mean they didn't use the girl crush concept for new jeans' debut, and it worked out overall. PLS I AM NOT CANCELLED, I AM AN INTERNATIONAL MULTISTAN WHO DOESNT UNDERSTAND KOREAN SO YA.

[@meow05]

@@Bread_Jinie u allowed to stan anyone u want

[@beans7867]

@sarah~ I mean… if you look at nj’s demographic there were actually a lot of grown women in their fandom.

[@Rageshahir]

why is no one talking about Garams friend who stood up for Garam she is a true friend and we all need a friend like her. Huge RESPECT to Garams friend.

[@zarachelsi5992]

For sureeee I respect her and I love garam

[@Serene_Fandom]

​@@zarachelsi5992sameeeee

[@zarachelsi5992]

@@Serene_Fandom she deserves justice I love her she is still my bias I wish she was protected

[@angelsoflithium]

the fact that there needs to be an updated video in less than 6 months ..😭 its BAD. they need to take a step back and reevaluate

[@ZoddGuts]

Reality both Le Sserafim and New Jeans are one of the most popular groups right now. Le Sserafim has a big fanbase in both Korea and Japan. While New Jeans is blowing up Worldwide right now.

[@angel127_]

@@ZoddGutsyes so in the end they did get their success despite all the problems, let’s hope there are no more to come

[@hehe-hi1vn]

​@@angel127_ unfortunately, there was more to come...

[@JamaicaDiamond24]

Well with the debut of ILLIT there needs to be another update 😂

[@angelsoflithium]

@@JamaicaDiamond24 ur right lol i think they just need to give it up

[@jiwoo..22]

I feel like the mistreatment of girls groups happens in many companies, not just hype and so I really hope kpop companies learn from their mistakes and treat their idols better, as well as not debuting idols under 18, for a better 5 generation of groups

[@tuulikajosaari8682]

Agree

[@Soufriere84]

@The Meaning is Always Vague *Wat.* I mean, it was already ultra-sus when he debuted HyunA at 14, but… Jesus, have JYP or his managers been spending too much time with YG? Of course my PFP is the logo of a now-defunct Japanese Junior-Idol group set up like a school (15 was max age), so… But those girls were NEVER sexualized. We're meant to see them as surrogate daughters/sisters.

[@TheZestyGecko]

@The Meaning is Always Vague good. i love children

[@AngelicMilkyYT]

@@Soufriere84 are you talking about Sakura gakuin

[@twice__drippin_stan4676]

@The Meaning is Always Vague Just to clarify, the american girlgroup won't debut by the end of 2023, there are three groups waiting before the american thing (C Project, JLoud and Nizi Project boygroup). Nizi Project season 2 should start airing by the end of this year and the second part would probably be aired in the middle of next year with the boys making their debut by the end of 2023. C Project might debut by the end of this year or the beggining of the next one. Finally, I'm out of words when it comes to JLoud, it's been a year since Loud Survival show finished yet there are no news about the guys debut. Based on all these things, the american girlgroup will debut by 2024, it is almost impossible for them to debut next year

[@kpopandotherthings6853]

Why is an entertainment company’s solution to scandal is to cover it up with another debut?!

[@neb.9489]

HYBE never covered anything with a debut. The debut of Le sserafim and even NewJeans was planned for years

[@Nameless_mixes]

SME has been doing that for decades 😂

[@user-lk4sl8vp5e]

Newjeans’ debut was planned since 2019 and it was delayed to 2022 bc of the pandemic. It is never meant to cover a scandal

[@justmyedits6596]

@@user-lk4sl8vp5e Dang. If they had debuted in 2019, all of them would've been minors and the oldest would be 17. The youngest would barely be over 10. What-

[@talia2861]

@@justmyedits6596 the trainees for girl group in 2019 never got to final line up

[@user-kg4it2sh4u]

Here after the Hybe: ador vs be:lift / Newjeans vs illit / min heejin drama😭😭.

[@sapphis_lazuli]

[insert "ben affleck smoking" meme here]

[@Stormith]

I genuinely am uncomfortable with the New Jeans thing, everything about their group. The girls are surely talented, but it’s undeniable that girls this young are negatively affected by fame and overworking. The Cookie song only solidifies the truth they are attempting to conceal, it’s obvious they’re pushing the girls as both YOUNG and “sexy” at the same time. It’s hard to ignore or deny the overall effect, and it’s even worse that they doubled down and tried to claim the song was written by 2 fluent English speakers and claiming none of them believe that cookie is slang despite everyone clearly informing them that it is. This will not go well, someday I’m sure we’ll be hearing about even worse scandals that have been so far successfully concealed

[@Kacangtanah78]

Eh cookie is a slang ? I've thought it means as the cookies that we eat with milk Edit : nevermind, I paused the video to look at the comments before the explanation of what the slang of cookie is. Now I resume it, I'm shocked they make minors sing that.

[@stanblackpinkforabetterlife]

any company that debuts minors, especially as young as the new jeans members are sure as hell setting up their groups for failure.

[@pizrux6592]

@@Kacangtanah78 it's also the fact that the girl who made the song is english so there's no way she wouldn't know what cookie meant. also the lyrics are just weird without even knowing what "cookie" is referring to.

[@deoksun494]

Do u stan baby monster??

[@Bela_Scorpius]

YES

[@schnoopie]

the fact that people are mad at hybe for kicking out Garam, when they are the one of the few reasons she got kicked out

[@StrawberryStarfruit9]

I am glad that HYBE didn't just disband Le Sserafim after Garam's scandal like they disbanded GLAM...they f*cked up the whole situation from start to finish but at least they didn't kick the other 5 girls (especially Kazuha who up and left the prestigious Dutch Ballet Academy to come to a new country) to the curb

[@neb.9489]

Glam has more than one scandal going at the same time

[@arhamislami1910]

Garam wasn't the heart of Le Sserafim, the group still had sakura, chaewon, yunjin, kazuha, & eunchae who the truly still clean

[@anavia5074]

@@arhamislami1910 and she would still be in the group if it wasnt the real bully playing victim and kpoppers jumping in to spread rumors and misinformation and hate

[@ww.mochii]

@@anavia5074 and kpop fans still don't want to hold themselves accountable and responsible for what happened to her

[@justmilkmeme3211]

@@anavia5074 I was at that time protect her that she shouldn’t blame if the information is not real and being bully in the past not mean people on the internet can bully her more than the rumors. It was injustice. Most the sources that not verify are fake.

[@Free_Palestine_75]

The Garam situation getting so big was Hybe's fault 100% the accusations were out before she even debuted and they had access to the full document they could've released at any time, they must've also been aware of Min Heejin's history too yet still put her in charge of New Jeans, they've sexualised pretty much all the minors they've debuted JK and Jimin lifting up their shirts, hip thrusting, etc, everything they do with Ni-Ki tbh but most noticeably fever, LeSserafim doing the WAP dance when half the group were underage and LeSserafim,s cookie and creepy director (I don't know how old GLAM were at debut and TXT had an appropriate concept) and they never do anything about their boy groups being problematic (BTS with their consistent racism, ca, colourism, disrespecting the dead and anti-Semitic imagery, TXT's CA photoshoot, Enhypen's fatshaming and the constant controversies they get themselves in) and even protect/ignore them but the second their girl groups do anything (even if it's just false accusations) they'll punish them, boycotting girls all together was a pretty shitty thing to do, they don't care about women at all. Hybe has always been shitty at dealing with scandals. I don't understand why Hybe let Heejin reply to be honest, that's got to be the worst response to any controversy I've ever seen, not just the threats but her trying to gaslight everyone

[@sunnystylesisters]

I fully agree with you. I love Hybe's idols, but the way that they run things (especially for girl groups) is just plain wrong.

[@GigiM_winx]

Suga also sampled a d8sgustiing n@zi leader'sspeech into his songs, they wore clothes with n@zi symbols, they used an African tipi in their dynamite set, taehyung wore a Buddha mask and did handmovements and made faces that is literally so disrespectful to Buddhists

[@thara5218]

@@GigiM_winx this is not a competition on who did the most controversial things. i thought we left trying to get a 'gotcha' moment with serious topics like this in 2020...

[@Bri-lk7re]

@@thara5218 They’re not trying to “gotcha” him. So many fans of big groups want to act like that stuff never happened just because they are blinded by stardom or they aren’t one of the racial groups being harmed by the actions of these idols.

[@justmyedits6596]

Garam was 16 at LSF's debut. International age I think

[@cattusahoy]

This was so enlightening, thank you! I think that NewJeans' songs are bops but I really have to ignore their ages to enjoy it... lots of people my age (early 20's) feel uncomfortable stanning a group so young, sexual lyrics aside. The kpop industry is freaking brutal and I can't imagine the kind of mental stress they are under. I know people have said that "lots of groups debut with young members" but 14 is just SOOO young. And that doesn't make it okay just because lots of groups have done it. I honestly wish NewJeans and LE SERAFFIM the best of luck these next few years!

[@sltslt24]

Same. I'm 24 and I just haven't seen any of the mvs or stages because I just want to peacefully listen to music.

[@neb.9489]

I don’t think it’s true that early 20s are refusing to stan bc 90% of those who bought their album are girls in their teens and women in their 20s

[@poble]

23 and same here, newjeans has some bangers, but it feels weird listening to their songs knowing how young the girls are :/

[@cris4ever70]

I mean, it’s because people in their 20s are out of the target audience. Songs are catchy but their whole concept is clearly intended to be enjoyed by tweens. Age is really a touchy subject but I get confused by people being confused with NewJeans because it’s like saying you felt weird watching Disney Channel content as a 20+ lol

[@user-bn6ht5eg4q]

@@cris4ever70I think people are more talking about the s*xual exploitation of the girls

[@DollsAndSpooks]

Well, why did that dirty old man get away with it? He wouldn't have been blackmailed if he didn't give them the opportunity.

[@milanosrp]

tbh that's always been my thought too

[@-Desire]

A good-looking, well-liked and popular Korean man can get away with a lot when a woman is involved

[@azimiza1210]

While i agree he's a trash, he got away because adultery was not a crime (idk about marriage law in korea so this is my assumption). Even his wife seems to accept his behaviour and probably used to his sleazy acts.

[@catherinemonast3711]

Older men sponsoring girl groups members. Rumor has it that Lee Byung Hyun is sponsoring girl group Irris.

[@lauratuominen9296]

I don't approve of cheating either, but it's not a crime. While blackmailing is

[@precious8129]

Hybe has a clear issue with the selection of trainees: - 3 of the original BTS members were very problematic and yet they still chose to support one of them as a producer. Though I'm sure they thank God everyday Iron refused to debut with bts, - Not 1 but 2 Glam members were involved into scandals, - Enhypen go viral with "interesting " stuff every other week - Trainee A already had a misogyny scandal with one of their members ,who was recently kicked out - And of course we have the management of the Garam situation These stuff aren't coincidences or bad luck. It's the company not checking out their trainees or they are very well aware of who their trainees are but they just hope it won't explode on them. Also it's not a curse if you willingly decide to disband your own girl group and hire MHJ to manage a bunch of teenage girls.

[@Free_Palestine_75]

The members that debut in BTS are problematic still yet Hybe has done nothing to change anything, that company just doesn't give a fuck 😂

[@-Desire]

Yup yup yup! This is obviously not just coincidences, it shows HYBE's incompetence

[@buttdonalds1141]

Didn't the member leave because of mental health reasons? I don't think he was kicked out

[@Noodlegyu]

This isn’t supposed to be anything mean but I want to correct you on something, Leo wasn’t kicked out of Trainee A, he left himself after being basically ripped to shreds by many other fandoms including some aeons too, it really got to him and messed up his mental health along with the pressure of being a trainee and working towards debut, he decided to leave eventually because it was likely too much for him to handle and he wants to focus on himself :)

[@luxurious2159]

@@Noodlegyu yup that’s the truth

[@jiwonswrld]

I’m so glad you talked about the svc report. HYBE should’ve put Garam on hiatus before Lesserafim’s debut and add her to the group once they were able to prove that she wasn’t a bully.

[@AirHockeyTable]

I agree, they should have done what they did with Jisoo from Lovelyz at the beginning of their debut, and just added her later after everything was cleared. At least she could essentially have had a clearer reputation.

[@capn_l]

Exactly. Like why couldnt she just go on a hiatus. People in the US do it all the time and we have worse scandals here ie abuse and we have proof!

[@shoyuramenoff]

Tbh, I have a mother who would have 100% let me get punished the way Kim Garam was by the school, even if it wasn't my fault. My parents would never stand up for me or believe me and tell me I deserved it. Edit: It's been 6 months and people are still liking this...damn. But to clarify, Garam's mother acting that way is not out of the realm of possibility because I have a parent that acted this way and there must be others.

[@PancakeEnthusiast342]

I could so see parents not appealing as a “lesson” as to why you shouldn’t stick your nose where it doesn’t belong (horrible lesson btw this is how injustice is carried out globally)

[@SaraH-jn5db]

You arent garam though

[@outdated7341]

@@SaraH-jn5db did they say they were? they were just explaining how some parents do think tht way so it’s not tht far fetch to think a parent would do that

[@hamilcross]

and you're mentioning this why, exactly?

[@lastspartan15]

@@hamilcross because it relates to the video?

[@iiiZemirah]

The fact that Garam was proved innocent makes me want to slap to netziens and haters... they cyberbullied her... how ironic and now those same haters/bullies are stanning garam and being like "oh i wish garam was back.." cant believe how 2 faced the industry is... like i cant even- im so mad rn.. justice for Garam like bring her back

[@LovelyLara123]

#JusticeForGaram

[@buddy4eva556]

Gfriend had so much potential, they were doing so well. When Mago was released, it was the peak of their global popularity period..They could have gained more recognition and fans..Seriously a pity..What was Hybe thinking. Til this very day, their disbandment still deeply scarred many of our hearts. Including the members, they all had so much more that they wanted to show together as a group..Along with unreleased tracks..Regardless, we buddies will always stay with the girls with the strong hope that they will reunite and kick Hybe & Source Music ass

[@Rin-vj4wg]

All of us buddy’s thought we were getting a rock comeback but we got disbandment news 😭

[@kiminonawa5037]

Yeah Right!!! MAGO will be their door for global recognition during that time only if they didn't suddenly disbanded IMY GFRIEND!!! .

[@moonlight_orange]

If those girlgroup does well, the praise goes to hybe. If they don't, company stans blame it on the subsidiary label 😂

[@user-cv2vo5wn9m]

LMFAOOOOO

[@neb.9489]

I always talk about the subsidiaries bc HYBE is just an umbrella. They’re all managed differently bc of their subsidiary so it would be weird to group them together.

[@moonlight_orange]

@@neb.9489 yea, they all managed differently but the you need approvals/final say goes to the parent company, hybe. You don't give full responsibility to your subsidiary labels.

[@moonlight_orange]

So the blame and praise should be both hybe and the subsidiary label

[@myragingwhormoans]

lmao

[@vilksu]

What was done to Gfriend still makes me sick to my stomach, and I know I'm not the only one who will NEVER support any group under source music no matter what. I have even less interest after seeing how source music has been handling their new girl group, but I guess that's just a side note for me at the end of the day, because I would never risk stanning another one of their groups again after seeing how they tossed Gfriend out like trash.

[@sltslt24]

Let's not forget Garam was around 12/13 when the supposed bullying happened. S. Korea is known for their weak laws regarding women, young girls, child p, and minor laws in general. So yes Eunsoo could probably get away with it. Allie had her minor nude photos leaked and the leaker suffered no harm. Honestly if this becomes a Tara situation it's even worst then Tara as Garam is still a minor (15/16).

[@andredrw289]

Honestly it just shows that these companies really don’t do their research when it comes to their trainees. I get that they can’t catch everything and not everyone is gonna have a squeaky clean record but still they should do background checks on their trainees so they don’t even have to go through this

[@gwenmloveskpopcecmore]

U mean the trainees don’t do research when it comes to companies

[@andredrw289]

@@gwenmloveskpopcecmore frankly both

[@gwenmloveskpopcecmore]

@@andredrw289 yeah

[@panman4459]

I love how literally everything of Garam's entire controversy could have been easily avoided, if not for her Karen mom.

[@shiningjustice3387]

How?

[@CookiesAreNoice]

@@shiningjustice3387 Because Garam's mom could have fought Garam's punishment , which would have taken it off of her record , So she would not have had any evidence of a level 5 punishment

[@shiningjustice3387]

@@CookiesAreNoice oh my goodness... I don't know how that works but that's just horrible!! Couldn't imagine anyone's mom failing their daughter's whole career

[@idreamofpeony]

you don't know what you're talking about

[@ridita5221]

I lost my interest in Le Sserafim after they throw out Kim Garam. The New Jeans innocent, but sexy concept is creepy.

[@neverneverland5836]

I never actually knew the full story with Kim Garam because the internet's reaction to it was so weird - most people I saw were immediately dismissing the accusations, because other idols had been falsely accused in the past, but even those who agreed with the accusations didn't share all the details. I hate that the kpop community tends to immediately disbelieve these accusations and puts down those who want all the details, because that hurts all sides of the situation, including their idol. I'm glad to hear that the situation wasn't as bad as it seemed, but I think that hybe's handling of the situation made it so much worse than it needed to be. I think it was for the best that they pulled Garam from the group, and I think they should have either done it as soon as they were made aware (so she wouldn't have to face all of it in the spotlight, and so other members wouldn't be affected), or put out a statement saying they were investigating, and gone through all of the evidence (on both sides) behind closed doors. Their actions made everything so much worse for everyone involved, and it's their fault that it's still not entirely clear which evidence can be truly believed. I think that if they had pulled her out of the group earlier, Garam could have had another chance to debut when she's a little older and is properly away from her school situation - but because of hybe's actions, I think this will follow her if she tries to start again, even in a few years, and I find that quite sad.

[@justmilkmeme3211]

Those people who pretend to be victims were actually the bully. She became bully for people on the internet bully her and even outside from Korean. It’s the end of her idol life.

[@johnjackson3735]

I strongly disagree that it is not as bad as it seems and Garam should have remained in the group. The kpop urge to cancel innocent victims who have great talent to feed the witch- hunting mob drenched in lies its sacrifice to purify the group is really ghoulish and inherently violent by nature since it is an attack on the mental health of the victim and Garam has suffered deep depression and a ruined career from this. Besides, few ever consider that their favorite may be the next scapegoat in line. It's the height of injustice to destroy the career of the innocent victim, Garam, and have fans within her own group turn against her because they believe the lies of the other side and wish to empower the real bully who filed a lawsuit to ruin Garam's career. Garam has been bullied and stalked by the fake victim and her rich father because Garam had the guts to stand up to verbally confront the fake victim, who posted half-naked photos of her traumatized friend online under another name to incriminate another student. She was also bullied in chat rooms by the fake victim who forced gangs of boys to threaten violence against her and Garam had obcenities and insults written on her desk, and fabricated photos posted online by the psycho Eunsoo. This is why kpop is viewed as having a twisted witch hunting mentality with contempt and callousness towards the innocent victim reminiscent of totalitarian governments with no due process of law. Besides, other members of Le Sserafim like Chaewon have likely had scandals swept under the table since her last placement in IZone was very suspicious especially considering her mom's powerful position in the industry, but group unity is key since they trained together and I wouldn't want to bring this up as a reason to try and create division in the group .

[@justmilkmeme3211]

@@johnjackson3735 All of all, it was people on the Internet that destroyed idols life such as Garam who is the real victim. You can be the post on IG, Twitter, here, Tiktok and other more. They posted video blame Garam and other people just saw it and commented fire Garam with insult words toward her. Most people are blind by social justice but without trying to discover to real situations, they just followed other people said lol.

[@yangyangdni]

idk if you talked about ador’s response to the “allegations” of cookie’s sexual lyrics but oh my god it was.. a trip to read 😓

[@newjeansfan238]

Hybe isn't unlucky, Hybe didn't learn from their precious mistake and they admitted their poor management of Garam's scandal but lol their threatto said bad thing agaisnt their girlsband to subscribe to their girlsband's fandom is so bad moove! And for Le Sserafim, their said before their debut, the CEO of Hybe directly produced them

[@OsamasStory]

34:02 When they suddenly debated New jeans I was shocked 😳 didn’t they just debuted le sserrafim?????

[@Ray-yk6bx]

Newjeans has been planned for yearss, lesserafim was literally planned last minute. Newjeans were supposed to debut first but they were delayed and in March they said the girls would debut in the 3Q. It’s just u guys dk the info that’s why most ppl were shocked that they debuted eventhough Ador mentioned their debut quite a few times

[@user-cv2vo5wn9m]

@@Ray-yk6bx i’d prefer new jeans to not debut that young but whatever kpop stans will just support minors and their sexualization without battling an eye

[@shinobuily]

@@Ray-yk6bx Hyein was 13 😭 also just saying but we have the same birthday

[@namu4380]

@@user-cv2vo5wn9m Hyein was not in the lineup back in 2020. At that time she was in a show (pocket tv) Only Minji and Hanni were confirmed.

[@StrawberryStarfruit9]

Dahee and Jiyeon fumbled the bag so hard...they asked for too much at the beginning when they could've let him pay Jiyeon's phone bill and build up to asking for more as time went on....but yall don't read this comment and try and do it lol

[@merururu.]

Anymore..tips..???

[@karcavida3250]

tbh I thought the same lmao, he probably would've paid them something if they hadn't asked for too much

[@teddycinema]

right like me personally i’d have told him to pay my rent or smth😭

[@TheReversingGuy]

The worst thing about the NewJeans controversy is definitely that official statement from ADOR - it's so ridiculous that it speaks for itself. I mean, they consulted with English professor about the lyrics of Cookie and they didn't see anything wrong? What kind of professors are they?

[@johnjackson3735]

they are promoting pedophilia as part of the cultural Marxist agenda in addition to drag queen story time.

[@redvelvet__]

And Illit losing a member before the debut and fromis 9 losing a member.. It's not a coincidence

[@Jasruler]

It is insane to me that a large corporation has to publicly relitigate high school drama.

[@shanatakarmaker]

35:25 Newjeans debut was actually planned for 2021 but was pushed back due to COVID-19. The lineup had been mostly decided by 2019 or 2020. They were originally planned to debut under Source with the direction of Min Hee Jin but this delay allowed MHJ to open her new label. It actually seems like Le Sserafim was actually planned more hastily for some reason - this can be seen in their documentary ‘The World is My Oyster’. Even the lineup was only settled just a few months before their debut.

[@pinkmark4047]

This video is a year and half old and still does a better job of explaining the Garam case better than more current videos that have more context.

[@chavi_.]

hype handle this so badly. first hype is like “ oh garam is innocent” then “ i’m to lazy let kick her out ” and her friend did all the work....

[@Ray-yk6bx]

“Make another gg to distract them” Newjeans was supposed to be the first gg too debut and was planned since 2019…And it was already stated in March that they’d debut in the 3Q this year so ur wrong about that

[@Hana-oq7tv]

People think hybe acquired source just to disband gfriend which makes no sense, hybe acquires these subsidiaries but they are still given independent liberties with how they manage their groups, most likely source disbanding gfriend was source musics decision for whatever reason, ppl also think they disbanded them for le sserafim which also doesn’t make sense since gfriend isn’t a small group they are a 6 year old group that’s been doing consistently well has made a big name for themselves esp in Korea and bring tons of money to source so why would hybe disband them just for a new gg when they can have the funds to easily manage both

[@cupofmilktea1774]

exactly! i genuinely think half of the people in the comment section are unaware that it is the decision of the subsidiary companies at the end of the day. Gfriend was one of the biggest GGs in Korea too so like? why would they when they’re always desperate for money? I doubt people here think Hybe is Bighit and they changed bames for no reason and Hitman Bang is still the CEO or something at least do your research 😭

[@john-friend]

What you said about Gfriend's disbandment was very accurate and well put. I have a theory that has been rolling around in my head for a while. IZ*ONE disbanded on April 29th, 2021. Remember that date because something happened about 3 weeks after. IZ*ONE was immensely popular. Someone else puts in the effort to make them popular and then you sweep in and reap the rewards. It was a golden opportunity for someone to recruit former IZ*ONE members. Any new group you form with them would be instantly popular and a huge hit. In July 2019, Hybe had unofficially taken over Gfriend after acquiring Source Music (their unofficial sister company). For one year, Bang Si Hyuk tried to transform Gfriend (even though he said he would not interfere with Gfriend). He tried new concepts, new sounds, more expensive music videos, that whole "they wrote the song themselves" gimmick, social engineering, sex appeal, controversial imagery (such as Yuju smoking), and most probably new management and handling of Gfriend. Later, SinB would say that she didn't like seeing herself on stage from about when Hybe took over and that she was depressed the whole time until Gfriend's contract abruptly ended. You might start to wonder if Hybe had anything to do with SinB's depression. A few months after Hybe took over, SinB suddenly developed a desire to get bigger muscles. She said that she would get bigger and protect herself. Sorry, this is off topic, but you might start to wonder what happened behind the scenes when Hybe took over Source Music. So Bang failed at achieving any success with Gfriend. He just didn't understand Gfriend. After MAGO, Gfriend would just do KZbin reality shows for a few months. They were basically riding the bench. Hybe was already done with them and just squeezing out some more money before retiring them. Hybe also stopped receiving gifts for Gfriend from fans in January 2021. Hybe was waiting for a golden opportunity that would appear soon. Gfriend's contract ended abruptly in May 2021. Remember who also disbanded just 3 weeks before Gfriend? IZ*ONE. It was no accident that Gfriend's contract suddenly ended. Hybe was kicking out Gfriend and using the resources to produce Le Sserafim. Gfriend's contract should have ended in January of 2022, but Hybe wanted the resources to produce Le Sserafim. Even as a fan I don't fault Hybe for dumping Gfriend. To them it is just a business. It's a matter of choosing the more lucrative investment. What I do blame them for is the manner in which they did it. No manners whatsoever. They did the same for Dahee, Promis 9, and Garam, too. I think I'm missing one boy group. They were thrown out like trash. If you're going to get rid of Gfriend, as least give them a proper send off. At least pretend that you actually care about the music, the artists, and the fans. The worst part of it is that they just got away with it.

[@tinyrick6264]

Garam got screwed over by Hybe and the picture taker. What happened to her is gross. All of you who just jumped on a hate wagon can bite me.

[@hueningbahiyyih627]

I love how well researched this is... it’s great that you speaking based on facts and not just rumors and speculative opinions... iland gg is coming, looking forward to Part 3 of this

[@ploopy678]

Hahaha soon this video will be a day long 🤣

[@b8376]

hello from the future…

[@c.h.u.nleung813]

I am sorry but to this date, I am still mad about the Garam situation. People jump to conclusions so quickly and believe anything they read online. People will never learn and history will repeat itself.

[@Ppure_AVJ]

Time stamps for no reason Intro-00:00 Glam-3:28 GFriend-11:38 Fromis_9- 13:11 LE SSERAFIM- 16:04 New Jeans- 32:02 Conclusion & outro- 40:24

[@Sara-yt9nn]

I really love when you make videos talking about these Kpop companies and their crazy and shady history. 💗

[@whinzskie7986]

The fact that fans wanted garam to be kicked out then wanted her back once the action was already done

[@bootsonafox7010]

Garam was proven innocent by her lawyer. I hope everybody who spoke ill of her, feel bad.

[@Soufriere84]

Thanks for the update, Evangeline! I always appreciate your deep-dives into an industry I've always been cynical about yet, like a trainwreck, I can't look away. Keep doing your thing!

[@itsgusco]

Will there be a part two to this cos I'm watching this in late April of 2024 and the girl group scandals in hybe just keep getting worse 😭🖐️

[@amalilconfused]

The first time I saw New Jeans, I already felt that there was something off with their concept. Giving me the same vibes as the photoshoot by that lolita photographer. They also had the same long hair and makeup. They’re like straddling the line between childhood and womanhood. Contrast that to Niziu’s image/concept, though they might wear some crop top, their music is mostly very fun and peppy which is mirrored in their MVs.

[@milktea2422]

Also it’s kinda insane how they’ve had such a lacklustre scouting group. Bruh honestly, Hybe just do what you do for boy groups, but now girl groups. But you know, make them a little older next time. Like if you set all the standards so no one can criticize them then, you have even less to worry about when and if a scandal happens in the first week of debuting

[@canella411]

I think what Garam did wrong when she was in middle school was the way she handled those situations she was involved in.She should had told an adult or a teacher. According to the svc document Eunseoo wasnt a great friend to say the least she used to backbite,gossip, talk behind peoples back, hacked an account, posted a nude picture of a minor(Garam friend). And that of course caused a negative reaction from Garam and her friends. I dont see a lot of people talking about Eunseoo horrible actions( and to say people thougth this kind of a person was a victim) unmm chile anyways.Both parties treated eachother horribly(one party more than the other).The situation is not as black and white as must kpop stans think. The only thing we can hope is that everyone involved as matured and reflected over their past behaviours. That what matters now, not "bullying Garam back on social media" under the excuse of justice, if you are one of those people that engaged in the cyberbullying against Garam you are not an avenger but a bully.

[@Sagowie]

What I hate about these situations is that people think that there’s always one villain and one victim, but that’s not how life works. There’s always a gray area. I hope Garam and Eunsoo grow up and mature, and maybe some day, they will forgive and forget. What I don’t like is people justifying what Garam did, and completely ignoring Eunsoo’s actions. In no way is violence or harassment justified, and in no way is bullying justified, whether or not the person doing the bullying is hurt. It’s disheartening to see this situation, especially with the reaction of the public.

[@jiwoo..22]

This is so true. I always felt like people jumped to conclusions way too early

[@cardibqueenofslurs]

everyone hating on her would literally do the same thing she did its so funny

[@canella411]

@@Sagowie Yeah,I agree with you. I dont think Garam is a bully or a bad person. I guess she just a human being like all of us that messed up and needs to learn form their mistakes. Because unfortunately we cant say that the way Garam acted is uncommon. I dont know why but students in high school or in middle school when someone for example talks ill about them, they tend to confront that person by cursing. Or when someone else hurts their friend like how eunseoo did to garam friend they let their emotions get in the way(i guess maybe Garam saw how the friend that got the picture leaked felt)and act recklessly. Which of course is a behaviour that needs to be stopped by any means.

[@canella411]

@@cardibqueenofslurs well judging the way they agressively started hating on Garam, you are definelty rigth on that. They dont seem like the kind of people that solves conflicts the healthy and mature way.

[@manxhii]

I watched ploopy maybe 2 or 3 years ago and I found her channel again let's just say I am just as obsessed as I used to be

[@jaelync104]

Omg same

[@shellyb3127]

This is so detailed! I can't wait to see your thoughts on garam!

[@campbellk9742]

Thank you so much for the update!! I was indeed feeling dejavu, but now i feel so informed

[@diana_svy]

Honestly, I will forever be shocked when I find out the members in a group are younger or the same age as me. When I first got into Kpop, the members of the groups I liked were 20+ with the maknae being 18 at least. But as an ‘04 seeing a idol be my age and end up being the oldest of a group, baffles me! I know it’s unenviable with time but I still can’t wrap my head around it.

[@PastelN01r]

I wouldnt say fromis_9 came out worse. Under HYBE they got their first music show win and DM is about to become being their first music video with 30 million views (love bomb was robbed), the group is currently at a popularity peak and I say this as a very new stan to them

[@PastelN01r]

@@savannah4019 I think their most recent comeback did have a large amount of views in its first few hours or so from what I remember, I think there was a budget but it didn't feel that way because of how it was shot. They also got their largest amount of music show wins with Stay This Way. I think its just that STW, while getting attention initially, just (IMO) doesn't hit as hard as DM did so less people came back to it, is this how people supposedly felt with getting Talk & Talk after DM?? (as someone who adores talk and talk)

[@PastelN01r]

@@savannah4019 I do understand that, I'm kinda judging their popularity based on both the wins and the views on DM (begging they reach 30 million before 2023) its not their peak quality but I think more like the peak of their achievements so far as a group

[@ajorbista]

I liked fromis_9 ever since they released their predebut single. Glass Shoes is absolute top tier

[@honorfoxcroft7170]

Another detail about Dahee is that she is the voice behind the first ever Korean Vocaloid, SeeU. As well as Hitman Bang being one of the people behind her most well known songs, "I = Fantasy". I remember this since a projection of SeeU performed with GLAM and 4 members of BTS were actually backup dancers in the performance (Suga, J-Hope, Jimin and Jungkook specifically, iirc) back in 2012. She was even going to have an English Voicebank but it was cancelled due to the Blackmailing Scandal, I think.

[@maureencali]

Just here to comment that I honestly LOVE the way you discuss issues. I really like how you talk-- as there are people that have seemingly perfect voices but somehow I just can't stand how they deliver their presentations lol.

[@PyjamaCos]

I find it somewhat ironic that although fromis_9 have dealt with the departure of Gyuri during this point of their career, nothing too damaging has really hit them since they joined Pledis/HYBE. In fact, I’m certain they’ll only go up from here!

[@jayrossxo]

I feel like Hybe knew about the situation - and if Garam was allegedly a victim why would they not allow her to debut? Especially, if they're known for their "anti-bullying" campaigns, this aligns with their brand. I just think public opinion and social media have a way of blowing things out of proportion based on misinformation. And we all know how bullying is perceived in SK, the moment a rumour comes out it's over, regardless if the person is innocent, their name is tainted. I see why they decided to drop Garam because even if she wasn't bullying, it left a bad taste in everyone's mouth and that affects business. The cookie incident is literally how the industry works - minors have been s*xualized for decades in the entertainment industry globally, it's nothing new. The problem comes from the consumers who feed into it. They all know what they're doing in the industry but guess what? NewJeans is still thriving, so who takes the blame at this point? The company? or the consumers who the company is making content for? But that's just my take. Great video!

[@lia_anh]

Yeah Hybe definitively knew about it beforehand. I guess they wanted this story to resurface years later in an interview, she would have told her bullying story with teary eyes and everybody would have supported her. Right? People complain about NewJeans being sexualized yet they are thriving right now. Most people, even if they don’t support it, will tune in to get a piece of the drama. Any press is good press. Ktubers, whether they want to admit it or not, are making views out of this situation (which doesn’t mean that they support the issue or do it with malicious intent).

[@neb.9489]

HYBE isn’t known for being anti-bullying, BTS is known for that. HYBE definitely knew about it was probably going to keep her, but saw how bad the backlash was getting. Either than or they just didn’t feel like going through the rest of the case

[@violetsden]

I do agree with your first point, second one not so much. Personally just cause in the entertainment industry it's been done before doesn't mean it should be. And yes they're successful but mainly cause the rest of their discography so far are hits. I always skip "Cookie" personally it's just gross to me. And I want the girls to do well so I listen to the rest of their music. The thing most people are worried about with them is Min HeeJin tbh especially since she started working with them that's when Cookie came out, and it's just really messy. Just my opinion though on it. I think even if they get successful it could become a potential situation like with many Disney stars, or entertainers like Brittney, and could traumatise them once they realise they're being exploited if they haven't already.

[@aal1yah17]

Thanks for the new video Ploopy, I really like your content, very informative keep up the good work 👍🏽

[@zerokn755]

I just literally watched the original video yesterday, good thing the updated vid was already uploaded :)

[@newjeansfan238]

Hybe really didn't learn from their management mistake with Glam, they reproduced the same mistake with their incoherent statement, and before garam was kicked out, Garam appeared to Japan magazine with others members and Hybe state they will keep Garam but then quickly after, they kicked out Garam, their incoherence lol

[@gwenmloveskpopcecmore]

Yeah they ruined her and Leo’s mental health

[@merefinl6914]

As a WIZONE I just want Le Sserafim to be successful, please give Sakura and Chaewon some peace 😭

[@tyudeongis]

me too :")

[@nyanchan5906]

Let's cheer them up for the upcoming comeback 🥰.

[@superstar-su7fg]

They're succesful now .. be it antifragile , unforgiven , eve, psyche and bluebird's wife ... I'm honestly happy that they gained recognition for being amazing performers and idols ...

[@Jjangbunbun]

As wizone i stand with garam.

[@merefinl6914]

@@Jjangbunbun Honestly I miss her....

[@Faysight00]

I will never forgive HYBE for disbanding Gfriend.

[@ChxrrySnow520]

When HYBE decide to defend Garam people where like “why are trying so hard for Garam?” “Maybe she have some blood connection” etc, and when HYBE decide to leave Garam netizens where like “if she is really not guilty why not defend her?” Like netizens only believe what they want to believe Well almost 2 years since the controversy and her leaving the group and there are still people talking about her about where she is and what future will she have (and there was a trend going viral thanks to garam in her blue flame fancam I think after 1 year of her leaving) I actually defend her at that time posting comments like “we should not get into conclusions when there’s is not enough proof” and reposting a video I saw about I think her teacher statement saying that she is innocent or like that (I don’t remember much since it’s almost been 2 years)

[@OsamasStory]

Yay 😆 another video of HYBE’s “girl group curse” I really loved the first video. When Garam’s scandal happened I immediately remembered your first video about the curse. I guess it’s a real thing?

[@mimziexxhwang]

honestly, people just refuse to use their brains sometimes. even if it's a supposed level 5, counseling is usually not a very severe punishment. people just see level 5 and be judging the severity of garam's actions just by that without even seeing the full document.

[@RK-co5ys]

i clear my schedule when evangeline posts

[@udance4ever]

thanks for all diving into the world of New Jeans rather obsessively today. I’m still rooting for their success and it’s good to know what’s happened behind the scenes. I’m fresh off the boat here so I’m trying not to judge and really appreciate the art they *do* produce!

[@manchae03]

i'd love to see an update with the illit situation (the weird symbolism of the mv)

[@nnnn-sc2im]

there’s no weird symbolism y’all are just over analyzing stuff this isn’t a situation like cookie where there’s another meaning to the song

[@nonamefn2721]

There is none, yall are just reaching

[@neb.9489]

NewJeans had some different members and was planned to debut in 2020 before the pandemic broke out, so they were definitely not made to distract from Garam. At least NewJeans still seems to be hybes most successful gg despite everything. Heejin most definitely did not handle her situation well

[@latoyabooker5338]

I blame HYBE/source for handling the situation bad but I also blame the public like people were bullying that girl and seems like it wasn’t letting up anytime soon and to this day people still drag her for something that we never got the full story on just he say she say and I called this when they put her on hiatus that either A. They find solid official evidence to support their story or B. They release her and save the the rest of the group and they did plan B and base on everything I seen it seems like the true victim is victim D if the girl took her pictures without her consent and spread it online and the alleged victim would lean more on the side of a bully and garam just stepping in defending her friend (should’ve got the school involved instead of trying to help on her own). Also it was real weird when people were yelling screaming for HYBE to kick garam out and then when they did everybody switch up and i honestly think HYBE/source just gave up tbh which was bad on that part but kind of understandable because garam reputation was/is ruined and the evidence garam friend gave us has never been officially proven to be true which leaves everything up in the air just a whole ass mess

[@latoyabooker5338]

But this is not just HYBE but gg in general in the industry and how companies handle controversies around their gg and I feel like even if the girls had a squeaky clean record controversies were bound to pop up sooner or later

[@newjeansfan238]

Can you do an update to Blackswan, the 2 koreans left, i think one was kick out because of her scandal and the other left and the company did a global audition and recruit an indian girl and a caucasian girl and Blackwan isn't with 6 members, no, 4 members without no koreans now lol the mess continue

[@Leo-nh9ui]

@The Meaning is Always Vague That graduation system is dumb, if the reason was their age. Why even out them in a group in the first place? This is so cruel, they worked hard to be in a group. And just after 2 songs and drama were kicked out because of their age. That's the most dumbest thing I heard. 27 ain't even old and their age matched the group's vibe, sexy but yet youthful. I didn't even know that they were 27/28. What Dr music did ruined the group. To be popular in Korea you need some Korean members.

[@DrishtiS1]

What’s graduating system???

[@kpopluver0494]

"Another girl group, what could go wrong?" Hahahah LMFAO that was so funny

[@mimanshatiwari3783]

Thank you for talking about Garam with all the investigation. the "friend" of garam shared many pics of hers with garam before posting the SVC to confirm that she's friends with her

[@maude404]

great video ! the only thing i wished is that you mentioned ggs apart of their subsidiaries even if it was before the merge. for example pristin ! i understand not tiny things like fromis but it wouldve been cool to see a deep dive on everything

[@oddligames1592]

I feel like if we're having minors as idols, they need to only do certain concepts and be styled fitting for their ages. They don't need to do or wear anything s.xually suggestive. Girl crush concepts or similar to GFriend's releases before Fingertip.

[@aJazzyFeel]

Thank you so much for the thorough update!

[@merururu.]

I remember it was 6 am and I binge watched all of ploopys videos without skipping ads. Looks like this will be one of those nights + I have a flight tomorrow. Frick it, I'm watchng this on the flight. Thanks ploopy 👌👌

[@mahdireza5695]

I think one thing that should've been mentioned here is that GLAM did something no other kpop group has ever done. They've performed with a hologram virtual girl named SeeU. She's more specifically a vocaloid. She has a very cute design and she wears an outfit which looks something like an orange out of the future school girl outfit. When I watched the stage performance of their song, "I like that" years ago, I was absolutely mind blown. It was a very original idea and it was also fun to watch them sing and dance with a literal hologram, which makes the experience much more interactive. SeeU has a love hate relationship in Korea and little popularity because her voice bank used Dahee's voice and vocaloid is also a Japanese thing originally, so you can imagine the little wars and criticism the innocent virtual singer faced. I honestly miss her, she has no original songs and little to no fame whatsoever. If only they could at least bring her back to life doing a Collab or something with newjeans, since they're from the same label.

[@cherryluvs_34]

Hybe pulled an aespa with glam before aespa debut

[@hellenkeller4real]

Oh my God I didn't even realize SeeU was from GLAM!! That's awesome. What a great collab w vocaloid/kpop

[@JaeyunYD05]

I've been waiting for you to do a video on HYBE girl groups and I'm so excited that it's finally here!

[@biduIgi]

need an update on this asap lol

[@M0CH3L3HA-quit]

Yesss!

[@Sakura_Needs_More_Lines]

Yea it all got worse lol

[@PatBTheOwlcaptain]

First new video I've seen since I subscribed. I hadn't watched the original HYBE video so it was a whole new experience for me. I thought you did a very good job of presenting the facts and doing analysis. And I appreciate the exposure of stories that I'd honestly have little idea about otherwise. Also, I really love the little touches you throw in, such as the "...right?" and the zoom in "...or was it?" Anyway, keep it up!

[@dario8081]

Banning girls to audition for their main label (till this day they haven't debuted a girl group) it's too extreme tbh And lands in sexist territory. Not all girls are like the girl that ruined GLAM, so that's an awful act to it. For Source Music, that was shady business, since the sudden disbandment of GFRIEND it became clear they bought the company for what you said, they wanted their management, debuting LE SSERAFIM quite fast. For ADOR, that's not really HYBE fault tho~ It was a bad creative decision. And to debut new groups, that's the market, you need to see who are debuting them. I doubt ADOR will debut a new gg, I doubt Source will debut a new gg, Pledis has now fromis_9 but they didn't debut under them so it makes sense to debut THEIR new gg under Hybe. And idk if the sub-label that BTS and TXT are under will ever debut a new gg.

[@perrytheplatypus699]

Wow I’m really impressed by your research! I’m sure it took so much time to look through the school systems and stuff. Keep it up! 💜💜💜

[@HorizonEclipse]

I’m still pissed at Pledis about After School and Pristin, and now pissed at Source Music for Gfriend

[@Bom.3d]

the way itd gotten worse im cryin

[@meimei]

coming from being a jpop fan, newjeans age isn't "young" by my standarts... but the difference is, jpop isn't as strict on talents, they don't need perfect dance or vocals, but what they do is always make them sing, causing nodules to form. I just hope hype is taking care of their mental health and don't make any other move like cookie...

[@mlk0-0]

I think the fact that BigHit's solution to GLAM's scandals was to ban female trainees was the warning sign everyone should have picked up on. The issue was not that they were female artists or that they were girl groups. The issue was the lack of concern or due diligence for vetting their artists and the terrible, terrible handling of scandals. But they decided "okay, let's just not deal with girls". Technically, girl groups and boy groups face quite different realities often when it comes to societal response, but I just highly doubt that's what the company was thinking when they made that decision. Then we get to now, and LE SSERAFIM and NewJeans are marred by the exact same problems: lack of concern or due diligence for vetting their artists and terrible, terrible handling of scandals. Only now, we have the added issues of sexualizing young girls (which, to be fair, also happened with Jimin, but people don't care about sexualization when it's guys for some bloody reason). Ultimately, girls who are looking to get into the K-Pop industry should just avoid HYBE and any of their subsidiaries. Even if HYBE might not make all the decisions for its labels, when something like the NewJeans and LE SSERAFIM controveries occur, they, as the parent company, *need* to take a look at what's going on. The cover of "we encourage identity and independence for our labels" means absolutely nothing when HYBE, at the end of the day, is in charge of the labels and *will* be expected to due their part in addressing any internal problems. If MindGeek, P*rnHub's parent company, took steps to handle their disgusting practices, maybe they wouldn't be getting sued and having their CEOs resign under the scrutiny because of P*rnHub's actions. HYBE needs to see their role the same way.

[@Its__mikl]

I totally love these videoes. Pls make more of them x

[@andieamigu5214]

The worst part, at least for me, is that I still love the music that Big Hit Music produces. But I'm trying to separe the artist from the company and only support BTS and TXT because I liked them way before GFriend's disbandment, which in my opinion was when Hybe's mask started to drop about how they clearly have less consideration of their female artists. Is not that their male groups don't have problems, but they know that their fanbases are so loyal so they can have more money of them by protect them at all costs. Anyway please support Adora's career. She was under Hybe/ Big Hit Music as a producer for many years. Her songs have this catchy, but cool feeling that sounds really refreshing 💖

[@thegrandmabetty]

after seeing your first video on this topic, i ended up buying one of glams releases 😭

[@lelebunni]

Your videos are always so informative and fun to watch!!

[@Kpopforeverarmy]

i feel like new jeans is the next blackpink look at them