When mistreatment gets justified - the plight of KPOP support staff

I know the situation between red velvet's irene and stylist kang kook hwa happened over a month ago and is pretty much resolved by now.... sorry for the late upload. Basically, I've been experiencing SO MANY new issues and my laptop is on the verge of breaking down (gotta get a new laptop) but I really wanted to share my thoughts on the importance of KPOP support staff, so I decided to upload this anyways.
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[@JordanWilliams-ix2td]

²om sew

[@jhh-jiynks6568]

This reminds me of American football Because the defenders block for those whom get the spotlight. But if not for ones blocking the person wouldn't be able to get wear they are. Think about If not for people who work for garbage trash. Than people's throw aways would build up. So we on the bottom aren't of no importance.

[@hello-fe2ul]

I don't trust the person who mistreats a waiter, because he will treat me in the same way of I was in that position. -Muhammad Ali

[@sachiroo9480]

@Hchf Jvkvi don't judge the stylist as well, we don't know the full truth and irene is the only person who can complete the 2 sides of the story. her silence towards the situation means something, if she doesn't explain her side she'll be the villain forever.

[@AinaBoomba]

@Hchf Jvkvi don't wanna to talk bad but dear its not only one person, search for it. And the stylists didn't even praise her on her insta, she just put hashtag to support monster by Irene and Seulgi. That's it. Plus so many people come out and explain the bad side of Irene. It's not only in this year, there also few from previous years.

[@septiniranda2599]

@@AinaBoomba i actually don’t want to defend her actions but that was the false accusations, i mean the rumor that said “many people exposing her” actually not true at all. Allkpop as the first one who spread the false rumor with the news even deleted it after SM Entertainmet stated that they’re in collaboration with 10 law firms want to take the legal actions for everyone who spread the false rumors.

[@sachiroo9480]

@Hchf Jvkvi Irene is being treated like that because she was in the wrong. If you were hurt by someone deeply, it doesn't matter wether you've known them for 50 years or just one day. If you were hurt, you were hurt. The stylist has every right to tell others about the incident because Irene is a public figure, Irene also yelled at her in front of many people so it's not "something that was between the two of them." The stylists who defended Irene was probably someone whom Irene treated well. But just because she was nice to some people doesn't mean she's nice to everyone.

[@sachiroo9480]

@Hchf Jvkvi You think the stylist was not affected by this? Of course it's not alright to cyberbully and be harassed but that's just how the internet works, do you think the stylisy just moves on with her life like nothing happened? Just like irene the stylist got death threats from Irenes fans, the stylist gets harassed by netizens, called her demeaning words and damaged her mental wellbeing. Both of them were affected by this incident to some extent. Stop trying to make Irene the victim and stop downplaying the hardships of the stylist.

[@leonaxoyoutube]

People deserve respect not because they are idols or staff, but because they are PEOPLE

[@stray2202]

Thank you!

[@slaymixxismyvibe8455]

exactly

[@Mynx22]

Facts

[@tylertruong3428]

PERIDOT

[@cgilbert210]

Amen!

[@roseredmayne]

I believe that if someone works for you or if their job is to serve you, they deserve respect.

[@clairerav]

Wow that's a really shitty thing to say... I wonder if you would say that to your own mother🤔🤨🧐

[@user-dx8yd1xp4h]

​@@clairerav I think you are misunderstanding the OP, they are actually agreeing that stylists deserve respect as well...

[@suella7505]

Definitely. Whether they work under you or not, they definitely deserve it.

[@Thesmus]

yep you are not respectable if you yourself is not respectful simple, but so many easily forgets

[@patsylune7243]

Having been in screen on multiple major film and TV works I can tell you that there is some of the hardest working people on set are actually the “support staff”. In fact support staff isn’t even the right term - all of these people- designers, make up artists, lighting and set designers, coordinators, directors etc have the most crucial job for keeping the show going. Not to mention each one of these professionals is in fact an artist in their own right. Even in “non-creative” roles - developing and producing a tight, seamless schedule, managing conflicts and difficulties as they arise and keeping morale up are such crucial roles. These professionals are always on set at least 2 hours prior to filming in my experience (my call time was usually around 5am) and they are the last ones to leave at night. I’m genuinely surprised that the role of the professionals behind the camera are not celebrated for their contribution in realising the idols concepts. In addition to this, the entertainment industry globally has a huge issue with internships (entirely unpaid). Please show support guys!!!!!!

[@siren7362]

Keep in mind that the only reason the Irene thing got exposed is because the stylist was a senior who had been in the industry for years and had some actual clout. I can't imagine the amount of young staff who can never report stuff like this

[@Zucifer8]

Good point!!

[@Hgoenge81]

Well how about Irene herself apologised before fans heard of it, the apology was accepted and the matter resolved. Only to afterwards find out the stylist first of all decided to share her accusations on social media, which is very unprofessional, but seemingly made the whole thing up?

[@alanajones3275]

​@Hgoenge81 Delusional Irene fan 🙄

[@skmo1004]

@@Hgoenge81when a BG leader shouts at staff for uncomfortable working conditions, he’s doing his job looking out for his members, but when a GG leader chews out staff for giving her members sexualized outfits she’s a bully and her reputation is ruined- make it make sense! Not saying that artists can’t have egos and can’t mistreat staff members because hierarchies are real, but come on, even the story sounded like Irene was in the right

[@Hgoenge81]

@@skmo1004 I'm on Irene's side completely. The stylist never proved anything, changed her story and is now disappeared. I don't believe for a second Irene "bullied" or shouted at anyone for how many minutes they claimed

[@untitledbeing5037]

Now I'm more shocked at fans comments than I was with Irene herself. They must be still be kids who haven't experienced what it's liķe to work under rude people or in the service industry.

[@alexc9278]

I was about to comment these. these kids never worked a day, yet! and have the audacity to comment on these hardworking peeps.

[@minaryeon9259]

Same thought, majority are kids. Real life this happens every day. It is part of customer service and human interaction nothing surprising. Not saying it is right but people need to hear both sides of the story first

[@felixsbrownie783]

I’m an 12 year old and I literally have respect for staffs and stylists cause I can’t do thing they do myself

[@asthenamesuggests9513]

@@felixsbrownie783 you'll grow up fine, kid, you'll grow up fine 😍

[@suella7505]

Definitely

[@aisheart6646]

Being a stylist isn't easy, imagine making or finding 5 different outfits that gives the same vibes but look different and no! not everyone can be a stylist ,if that was the case then why do we have ' fashion styling' majors? And people who says that "staff aren't stressed and Irene have to go with alot" so Irene isn't the only idol in this world, the other idols go through the same thing and it's ok if sometime they loose control but staff are all behind their success.

[@joellebelle]

Agreed. Those people say it's easy, but then they roast a stylist online when a group with tons of members gets some mismatched outfits. I literally see people saying "so and so's stylist needs to be fired." Clearly the job isn't that easy and is actually important if people find the need to point out the styling all the time.

[@KM-ne1ft]

everyone gets angry, has hard times and sometimes bursts out when it is too much. Irene apologized on her own accord before people find out it was her. so stop attacking her like you're a perfect person. and idol's success is because they work hard for years even before debut and not because of the clothes they wear

[@joellebelle]

@@KM-ne1ft no one in this thread was attacking her though. everyone deserves respect no matter what field they're working in.

[@KM-ne1ft]

@@joellebelle yes she attacked Irene read it again..

[@joellebelle]

@@KM-ne1ft in her post she's basically saying yes, Irene does go through a lot but so do MANY other idols so that type of argument can't really be an excuse. She's also saying that people should realize the stylists do play a part in the career of idols. Yes of course, idols become idols by their own merit, but they have a whole team behind them making sure they have an easier time. That's why Irene's actions upset people. Stylists, assistant, composers, etc. are crucial to helping idols succeed and they deserve respect in the same way idols deserve respect. That's at least my interpretation of the comment + the event. I read the comment multiple times but everyone has different outlooks on the situation I guess.

[@babiesmilk2771]

Irene didn’t give them a job the company did, they are coworkers so yeah they deserve the same amount of respect.

[@nopeimoutiquit]

People are so ridiculous! Like 50% of the reason we have k pop idols is because the staff help them

[@semsclassic1750]

You can add 40% to that. Just see the difference between the popularity of indie artists and idols who are under companies that can afford a lot of high-quality staff. Talent and hardwork on the singer / artist's part isn't enough to make it in the industry.

[@hazahae]

it’s a lot lot more than 50%

[@OGseoulite]

10000% literally the staffs take care of everything while trying to make the idols successful they make tons of sacrifices themselves

[@maknaetzuyu2402]

*90%

[@bigfoodstyle5531]

Waaay more than 50 percent. If you have a good staff behind you the better success the group will have. Staff books meetings, appearance on shows and much more. The most successful groups have a big staff behind them. I think it’s more 80% staff and then 20% the artist/idols

[@sejalpatil9901]

Im sorry, but to the person who said "becoming a fashion stylist is so easy" TRY ME! I am not doing fashion school for 4 years, crying my ass off each night over submissions and reworks, pulling all night's, burning my braincells for creative ideas and doing weeks worth of research for 10 marks, ALL SO A LAYMAN CAN TELL ME HOW EASY THE PROFESSION IS!

[@shreyarai1601]

I thought of becoming a fashion designer but the gruelsome and competitive nature of this profession scared me so much. I have immense respect for people in this industry. You guys are the reason why these celebrities look so good. Thank you so much for your ideas and all the best for your future.

[@janarrthinek8809]

I feel that the concept of being a makeup artist or a support staff is being romanticized by fanfictions and imagines (ifykyk), which explains the comments of staffs as "attention seeking" and "leeches off the idols". Thank you for showing the reality side of being a support staff, I knew it takes so much to handle the pressure to be one.

[@someiggashit8654]

My dad always told me never to make judgement until you know the story on both sides. Stop worship humans and help nature instead :-)

[@teoalappuzha4447]

preach !

[@someiggashit8654]

@Idk but dead-" LIER" ig not preserved. 2020 will just be level 1 if nature is taken lightly

[@daywalker3735]

Sorry but I don't believe in nature

[@sachiroo9480]

regardless of Irene's side of the story the fact of the matter is that she deeply hurt the feelings of a staff member who was only doing their job.

[@igot7-lu]

@@sachiroo9480 ok but we also don't know if the staff treated her right either. I'm not defending Irene but It goes both ways. Maybe irene was in a bad mood too ..we all have those days. Course some people have better temper than others and control their anger better. But being an idol doesn't mean they're always perfect.

[@leonaxoyoutube]

Learning about "passion pay" is super interesting... It's like when performers get "paid" with "exposure." I didn't know there was an equivalent to behind-the-scenes or technical staff. Anyone in the comments have experience with this??

[@leonaxoyoutube]

@@s.taylor2545 Huh. When you put it that way (unpaid internship) I may have already experienced this myself... Although it was for a shorter time period (a few months per position) in comparison, I also did an unpaid marketing internship and volunteered at a non-profit organization. The main difference is that these roles weren't as much of an integral career stepping stone as they were community service, since I was a highschool student them. I'm from the States and idk that unpaid internships are regulated here either, but this is eye-opening... Especially when you mentioned that the majority or the working force of industries that perpetuate passion pay are women. Am I surprised? No. But it still really hurts to recognize.

[@semsclassic1750]

It's insanely common in general in creative / artistic fields. People thinking they can use an artist's art, music, or general work because that'll generate "publicity" for them, when it's been proven time and time again that the gain from that exposure isn't near enough to make up for the unpaid work hours. That, or in the gamedev industry, bosses asking you to do serious overtime with no OT pay because you should be passionate about the project your team is working on. Overall, just a bunch of people looking to exploit others.

[@leonaxoyoutube]

@@semsclassic1750 !! The only coverage I've come across on overworking/passion pay in game development is this Patriot Act episode (kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn2kmpKZotGsbLM) and I was shocked to say the very least.

[@aghniafauziah867]

Well I think it's similar to unpaid internship. Believe me they are gonna saying we are so lucky we could be there to get knowledge from experience working there. There are still Many place do it. Even SM long time ago have openly talking about something similar, when news about fashion/makeup staff is underpayment , SM says the fashion/make-up staff must grateful to them because those staff have experience to work with great artist/idol. You can search the article. It was long time ago.

[@carolgarcia5243]

People talk like stylist aren't part of the crative process and are working to idols because they simply are idols... I mean designers have their career you know... These fancy bags and fancy shoes that people like Irene wear all came from a stylist

[@allybis]

It's amazing how clueless many K-pop fans are

[@atiredail.e]

true so many of them are blinded by the "shiny and pretty" side of the industry...

[@celestew.1740]

I would like to think this could be because of how young and inexperienced a lot of fans are with life in general. They’ve probably never interacted with certain elements in the world of work yet to even have different perspectives.

[@J_young_824]

"Being a makeup artist is just easy" *throws everything away. Being a makeup artist is really hard its like getting a bachelor's degree plus your trainee years this video said everything very well said.

[@kenyia-lashayking1948]

It makes me so mad to see people claim that the staff have no talent or don’t do anything important. I studied and worked with costume, makeup and hair as part of my theatre degree and it was just as tiring as performance work. Behind the scenes is SO IMPORTANT! I’m so happy you made this video.

[@maknaetzuyu2402]

Okay but this really piss me off. When a staff assault their members, they are cancelled immediately, get hated and bashed but when the idols do shit like that, it’s the staff fault? They say it’s very easy to be a stylist while not experiencing it, not realizing the training, how many make-up and clothes they have to make and compare. They say they are just jealous, while they are working hard for the idols to let them shine, while themselves don’t even make public appearances and don’t get the recognition and appreciation that they deserve? They think they are lazy while they suffer from pain in their back, while they praise the idols and forgive them for EVERY SINGLE FAULT. They say staff are nothing with the idols. So they believe idols can do activities without staff? I mean what do they want? That the idols go NAKED on stage? EXPOSE their BARE face? The idols are nothing with the staff. You can be ReVeluv and that’s okay, but you can’t deny the fact that what Irene did was truly DISGUSTING.

[@lasagnagamer8254]

nobody is disagreeing with you here, buddy. Yes, Irene did wrong, she admitted it and apologised. Yes idols are nobody with out the staff and we all should be grateful for their hard work. But go on, cultivate more hate for a person you don't know. That'll surely make her life worse ;)

[@tanukifar9188]

@@lasagnagamer8254 u sound so pathethic rn. At once, ppl should stick with the motto "dont believe every idols are innocent." They literally put on a facade to their fans. What? Do u know idols personally? Most of the time u only see them through screens right ? This person has an opinion and yes. What irene did was disgusting.

[@p3achyyp8p16]

@@lasagnagamer8254 you're actually so cringe. a LOT of people are disagreeing with them. literally watch the first minute of this video and you'll see the crazy amount of immature irene fans saying disgusting shit like "I don't get why this lady thinks she's so important when she's just a nobody", "it takes zero skill to do what she does anyway", "irene was just having a bad day cause being an idol is so hard and that lady could never spend a day in her shoes before lashing out like irene", "irene is an angel, I hope that lady gets sued for this". you criticise them for "cultivating hate for a person they don't know" (which isn't even correct, I will say why in a bit) but you're no better for blindly defending someone YOU also do NOT know. so why's that? and on top of that, they weren't even hating on irene. they're just telling the truth, that what she did was gross. you defend irene against the op because op is "making her life worse" but they're just making a simple comment about her scandal, and it's not even blind irene hate like you pretend it is. lastly, it's obvious you don't actually care about the lady that got mistreated by irene and just kpop support staff in general, you're just saying the "idols should be grateful for the staff" part so you can look right. it's obvious because you know that if you didn't say that, you would reveal that you're one of the immature irene fans who defend her blindly so you just quickly added it in there. first you make a cringe "uh yes everyone agrees with you so you shouldn't be commenting this haha buddy" comment, then you subtly attempt to justify this situation by "she apologised though" (even tho she only did that after the situation turned into a popular scandal, she only cared about her reputation) and then comes the worst part of your comment, the part where you criticise op for calling your fav idol out by "you're just hating on someone you haven't met in person you don't know how much of an angel she is, you're just jealous and want to make her life worse ;)", the classic crazy kpop fan comment. read this far? I doubt it. you're too shallow.

[@knightnight222]

If staff job is easy why idols did not include in there training to do themselves. This people don't know what there saying, they don't know how hard to be staff or stylist they pretty much do the work than idols, so without staff there is no idol. - sorry to my english i am still learning

[@kaitlynmontgomery5289]

Golden Rule: Treat others how you want to be treated. I live by that rule. And any Ploopy Antis, you dare come after her and you’ll feel the wrath of her fandom! Got it? Good.

[@kaitlynmontgomery5289]

I also looked up Prisma and they are really good. Check them out.

[@trofjaeotjfjswifb4576]

The third dubber. the one who says "Who cares about some Nugu...". It's Ploopy :D

[@ploopy678]

Actually, that was my mom 😂😂😂

[@Magonalgon999]

Imagine defending an idol just because is beautiful ignoring misstreatment

[@randomperson1714]

If k-pop idols are doing the staff a favour by “employing” them then the Company is doing the k-pop idols a favour for employing them and we should stop hating on the company despite how badly they treat idols.

[@GyeongmiBaeb]

That part

[@RayMak]

Staffs and idols. Teamwork

[@sebfreak6762]

Gosh these comments are so dumb, like really, you have a brain why don´t you use it? How can you be so naive to think that being a staff member is so easy? All of these people sitting behind their screen of their pc or smartphone and don´t know anything, this makes me a little bit angry. And that is why I think this video is so important and everybody should watch it. So please do me a favor and show some respect to all these wonderful people.

[@alexc9278]

most of these are from 14-15yo kids

[@cocoaicci_]

@@alexc9278 no excuse, they aren't babies. Im also 15, most of us should have common sense by now as well as knowing right from wrong. We're closer to being adults than we are to being kids.

[@jaypop_dance]

Probably just a bunch of jealous 12 year olds who clearly know nothing about the industry, just assuming and putting idols on pedestals when they are all human and deserve respect

[@anejajohnson7666]

I used to work at six flags and let me tell you it's not that easy because think about it I have to walk around but I had to deal with rude customers

[@chogiwaa]

*No job is easy and deserve equal respect.*

[@GyeongmiBaeb]

There are DEFINITELY easy jobs. Still, they deserve the basic respect any human deserves

[@All-Hail-Gayle]

You can't be rude to staff/ service workers and use their services.

[@kalina7965]

I remember when someone said “I’d bully Irene stylist too” *shows a lot of bad Costumes that the stylist put on for irene* I just find it bad that ppl say stuff like that

[@nick3805]

It happens from both sides, but that doesnt make it better.

[@impeccablek238]

Everyone has a vital role in the industry. Make up and attire designers are imperative and contribute to the dazzling visuals of stage and videos. Speaking of dazzling, Weki Meki is an example. The school uniforms for “Picky” aren’t stereotypical uniforms at all. They absolutely make the members pop as they are unique. Same with Fromis_9 and others. IZ*ONE’s stage mood and aesthetics are partially but greatly attributed to the work of make up and attire artists. Their performances are fascinatingly captivating thanks to the Kpop members and the teams they work with. Song writers, choreographers, and mv producers are “unsung” heroes too. Everyone contributes to the grandeur.

[@strudelh]

You know what, I am glad that Irene apologized, instead of waiting for it too blow over or ignoring the whole situation. (Not justifying the mistreatment). I'm also glad the stylist is ok too, imagine the embarrassment she must've felt. No one in this situation should be harrassed either. (Including the other staff, and the other members of red velvet). ❤

[@maria89]

I honestly think the stylist felt humiliated, and that's what pushed her to post what she did. She had posted years before about working with red velvet for the first time, and had said they were great and she became a fan. Her controversial post was actually from their second meeting, and not actually the first time like what she initially claimed (some holes in her story but i won't get to that). When she was then asked about her previous post from years back (which she then deleted), she later explained that "irene didn't remember that meeting", so it didn't count. It stuck with me because it was such a bizarre reason. If she was a fan of irene, and irene lost her shit at her.. well, i can imagine the death note level of anger, lmao.

[@itspowers9107]

@@maria89 I also think the first time the stylist and Irene "met" wasn't exactly a true meeting because if your read her posts in korean there first meeting was more just working together they didnt really talk or greet eachother. The second time obviously Irene spoke directly with the stylist.

[@markdarcy5256]

Oh yeah her career would be ruined if the stylist released the audio so she had to apologize

[@justcupcakeaka]

Weare one she has already apologised privately so she didn’t have to, but she still kept apologising anyways

[@maria89]

@@justcupcakeaka that's true. She apologized, not in person, but the same day as the incident. She apologized again, in person and in private, when the issue got publicized. She then apologized to the public, and then later on, apologized to the public again. That's a lot of apologies, for losing your temper.. at someone who was doing a bad job.

[@neicocci]

This video is absolutely amazing! I have to say that I'm more and more convinced that "stans" or hardcore fans are not fans at all, they are immature people who are unable to see the full picture and lack any understanding of how reality works.

[@Aurelian369_]

I don’t understand the Irene defenders. If she wasn’t an idol everyone would be calling her a Karen for harassing service workers.

[@wolfevan5880]

Finally a video! And just because you pursued your passion doesnt mean you dont have to get paid...like???? Staffs works hard too, and why does "passion pay" even exists?

[@Aja-Christian]

There is this Lebanese singer named Nancy Ajram who is quoted as saying "You should always treat famous people as if they are NOT famous and treat non-famous people as if they are." I know it may be easier said than done but if someone's job is basically to take care of me, make my life easier, etc, I can't imagine treating them as being "less than" myself. Even if they were to make a mistake, I'd find a way to correct them without disrespecting or humiliating them. Treat others the way you want to be treated. It's not that damn hard.

[@birdy369]

Photoshoot and camera makeup is DIFFERENT from everyday makeup. I mean your local weatherman even has a hair and makeup person! Probably even a stylist for their outfits!

[@sggroup7403]

I feel bad for them, is not fair people think that their idols are so innocent and that they are PERFECTLY made, they do not think for others and is not okay....this needs to be spread more

[@lasagnagamer8254]

and bash irene once again :D

[@sophialiu4043]

@@lasagnagamer8254Yes, bash Irene again

[@johneyon5257]

the problem is with the condition known as "idol worship" - fans (abbreviated from "fanatic") become such idolaters - that the fail to recognize that their idol is human and capable of atrocious behavior - - in being an idolater - they will defend their fan's most caustic behavior - becoming complicit in that behavior - here they thoughtlessly abused the staffer - some generalizing their accusations to an entire community of workers

[@leosdances]

Wtffff actually the staff is what makes kpop so special! Because the makeup/choreographer/manager/stylist/mv director etc etc is so fucking important! I can’t believe some toxic fans discredit their talent and work and hate them wtf

[@Shiiwata]

imagine thinking staff isn't important, like do you want your idols to do everything on their own? it's not like they aren't overworked already and the same goes for their staff except they are most of the time paid way worse

[@Pig_3390]

I really just want the world to be peaceful but I know it's never gonna happen 🙁 Can we all just respect all idols and stylists,makeup artists, etc. Can't we just respect everyone on this earth? Why do people have to always go on one side of the story listen to both sides and even if you think that one specific side is right there is no point on typing mean comments on the other person

[@cinnabun2123]

I think about that a lot too. What stops people from being respectful and appreciative to those around them? What do people gain from hating and insulting others?

[@mariaparks6841]

i spend hours picking me a trash outfit & putting makeup for my potato face & still look potato. These staffs need a RAISE..!!

[@UyenNguyen-rc5hg]

yeah exactly, it is so hard to even do your own makeup and pick your own outfit. it would take years to define your style and what works best for yourself. Imagine doing that for a bunch of other people, that is pure talent in my opinion! Funny thing how Knet judge idols so harsh on their appearance and fashion sense, yet degrade stylists who works on idols' makeup and clothing

[@LuliBriatore]

Congratulations for talking about this! It is a great way to show the hard work that the staff does

[@luckitosito]

Idols and staff members deserve the same level of respect... They both need eachother equally and their jobs depend on eachother as well... I'm glad some idols actually have really good relationships with their staff

[@kazuhasgloves]

man, it's sad to see both sides doing the same. we should have peaceful and professional days while working but alas we can't.

[@yangw0nn309]

It’s not that *SOME* idols don’t respect their staff and just imagine groups like izone (12 members) or NCT (23 members) that’s A LOT of work

[@allinone20_]

this video deserves more views, especially for those childish delulu fanatics who disrespected the staffs for doing their good jobs. but they, "fans", wouldnt even bother.

[@danieldiaz615]

As a Red Velvet fan and ot5 stan, what she did was wrong, even if she had a bad day or something like that, she should respect the people that work with and for her, they are all humans trying to do their job, I hope this opens her eyes and makes her change for real, so sad that it had to become public for her to do something, I'm really dissapointed

[@isiaadiel3468]

Those comments give me mad Karen vibes. "How hard is your job? I made real money and you have to do what I say because I'm a customer and you won't have a job if I'm not here!" Yeah, I work retail and service and it's the same vibe.

[@lovepeace9747]

I believe that staffs is more overwork and underpaid than idols..

[@jayaniee]

For sure

[@anonymousseal7874]

I get the impression that these fans were constantly convincing themselves that they had to be the most devoted and supportive fans an idol can only have, which borders on obsession. So obsessed that they ignored basic morality and sense of justice.

[@MaluSilva-yx8nl]

The only thing I can think of when I read this type of comment is "this people probably have never had a job" because everyone that had to face a work environment, even if once in their life, would have some sympathy for the staff's hard work

[@bokuwautsu]

yeah, basically kids or teenagers

[@Butterball2829]

you always talk about things that MUST be discussed but never seem to and i appreciate it so much 💖💖💖

[@sheenisweird]

you made a great point. at the end of the day, the staff and idol relationship is a two way street. they're both working very hard and they both need each other.

[@c.h.u.nleung813]

Without a supporting team, idols are nothing.

[@chocomental]

That was such a smooth transition into the ad that I didn't mind sitting through this promo 😂 The Kpop world is so different from the western pop world in that we as fans get an intimate view into what goes on behind the scenes for the stars themselves. In the UK at least, where backstage scenes and 'gruelling popstar life' isn't really shown, some people are still of the opinion that being a popstar is easy, you have everything done for you, all you do is sing and dance and have a great time etc which they then extend to any creative job. You'd think that Kpop fans having this insight into what it's really like would have some empathy for support staff who are also in a creative role, but apparently not. These comments sound like kids who've never had a job tbh.

[@dzuli33t]

such an interesting topic! its really impressive to see how much work is put into mvs, performances, songs recording, how many people are involved. and and the end of the day, everyone just pays attention to the idols. the staff deserves credit and RESPECT for the hard work, period. ps. recently stray kids' leader, bang chan praised the staff and said on a live that they should get an award for how good their work is. so yes, it is possible to respect ur staff, even if youre a celebrity.

[@chewwy4269]

I want these fans saying that being a stylist or makeup artist is easy and that they should expect that kind of treatment to work 1 day in the service industry. That kind of abuse of power happens way more often than you may think and those who’ve never experienced what it’s like don’t understand the position it puts you in. Imo everyone should go work in these kinds of jobs so that you have an understanding of what it’s like to be in their position.

[@ievasarksna9608]

Thank you so much for this video! It really made me look differently at the job of the support staff and taught me to appreciate their hard work even more than before. Both idols and the staff are important for the kpop industry. Without one, there couldn't be the other and they all deserve so much respect!

[@brokentypewriterprod]

Great investigative journalism! Your vids are so eye opening. I hate the concept of passion pay. I see it all the time in the entertainment industry (film, radio, print media, music etc). These are thankless jobs and I’m glad you’re pointing this out.

[@owochocolate9298]

Ugh i am SO glad I ain’t 11-16 years old anymore. This is all evidence of how toxic the teenage years can be XD

[@budidubidam_]

Again, Ploopy just addressing an important issue with awesome way! I Love how this video not judgemental, well explained, and using understandable flow! Maybe if there is an Major about Idol or Star Environment and Management, you can be a Grand Lecturer there!👍🏻👍🏻

[@Allenluvable]

That's like saying only the actor matters in a movie, and not the director, cameramen, stylists, make up artists, set designers, etc. Even with books, while the author definitely matters a lot, you still need an editor to polish it and make is flow smoothly. You still need someone to design a cover that will catch readers eyes as they browse. Staff and artist are equally important in all forms of media.

[@camillebrown8923]

You hit the nail directly on the head with this one. People who choose to not educate themselves are the true problem with things like this. Without the staff and stylists (like myself) then the idols are NOTHING! Thank you for this video 💖

[@JAEMISSEO]

I’m so glad that you made this video. It’s never too late or a cold tea to address these issues!!!

[@cgilbert210]

I can't believe people would get mad at the staff for speaking out. They deserve as much respect as anyone else. Never pick fights with people who take care of you. These staff members have to stay on set the ENTIRE time the idol is doing their job. Makeup touchups, hair touchups, clothing touchups, clothing changes. I love idols but they don't do their own hair, makeup, or clothing.

[@aprils1888]

OMG ANOTHER PLOOPY VIDEO. I love these. You're so smart and always do such good research, I wish I was like you xd

[@kamujangansolimi9031]

Thank you for making this video, i hope more fans get educated trough this video

[@GyeongmiBaeb]

Hearing/seeing those comments pissed me tf off. They HAVE to be children. No adult who has worked even the simplest job would say something like that about support staff. Without them your idols wouldn't even be there.

[@J_young_824]

That's why manager jeon just left svt last year bcoz it seems he can't handle the 13 members. I saw the epsiode of the managers and its so many things to be done. Like he does have 13 children 😅

[@itsjustmaddisen]

I love kpop, but cannot STAND the kpop community because of how toxic it can be. I only have a handful of friends that are kpop fans that also don’t really follow what’s happening in the community because of those few that ruin EVERYTHING for everyone else.

[@jude2839]

It's a great video and really eye opening, everyone makes mistakes and we are always learning, the Irene scandal is over so please, don't hate on the stylist or Irene/Red Velvet. EVERY job is valid and deserves RESPECT.

[@scene.g0re]

Why are these ppl acting as if only celebs have feelings and anyone lower than that is immune to all negative emotions?

[@kimyoung3160]

Those comments were disgusting. Everyone deserves to be respected especially those doing an honest living.

[@violetta698]

I don't see the behind the scenes of a lot of groups but from what I've seen of BTS' stylists and staff, especially during concerts... they have all my respect man Whoever says it's "easy" must never have seen the work they put in or just ignored it in favor of *ahem* idol worship

[@bagashayujatmiko9855]

Ikr?? For me whoever that said "styling is easy" really gets me. It's not easy to do styling even for our own self. Maybe those comments coming from kids who wear whatever their mother choose.

[@yngjng7732]

Tbh Idols and Staff need each other, yeah Kpop Staff wouldn't even exist if Kpop idols weren't a thing, however without the staff, idols/company would struggle so much with everything that staff are supposed to do and it would maybe even make it harder for the idols to have success

[@kirsten7770]

If being a makeup artist or other kpop support staff is so easy why aren't all those people working in the industry 🤔 oh yea they are all a bunch of 13 year old living off their parents 🤦‍♀️

[@tipennya]

That is why the TV show 'The Manager' is so useful! Tune in and learn! Those people work HARD for their money!

[@ccsbm208]

This is a conversation that too many kpop stans aren't ready for. They see the idols as Gods and the staff as slaves and it really bothers me because it just looks to me that they're the kind of people to talk down on minimum wage staff in restaurants and in retail. Whenever an idol lipsyncs, has attitude problems, doesn't dance well the fans jump to their defence yet they hold the staff to a completely different standard because 'it's their job'.

[@Zucifer8]

Yes, exactly! I just posted something similar (less articulate though lol)

[@michime7860]

Thankyou for shedding light on this issue ❤️ these ignorant fans need to realise how hard the staff works too!!

[@jasmeen3716]

Omg my favourite KZbinr Love you Ploppy💞

[@pronoydutta614]

hi! Thank you for covering these topics. Thanks to these videos, I get a better understanding of nuances in a sometimes divisive and often glamorous industry. I hope you make many more and I wish you the best of luck :)

[@helderanunciacao9294]

Ploopy, I loved this video. You're improving so much. Keep up with the good work! Portugal loves you! 🇵🇹❤️

[@minyasx]

this video is so important and it's so nice that you got supporting staff on this! i'm a reveluv and irene biased, so i was pretty upset with her when all of that came up, bc i don't think that kind of stuff is nice at all and I'm glad she did apologize for that. but oh the fans.......

[@AnimeGalxoxo]

I think you and KZbinr Sherliza Moé would get along very well! U both reveal a lot of interesting topics in the K-Pop industry that honestly I and many other dont think much about. Not only that but ya hit us with facts and evidence to support your pov. CONTINUE TO SPILL THAT TEA HONEY!

[@qtacontessenu]

these "fans" never worked a day in their life and it shows

[@hakuoukihu7523]

I agree with everything in this video :). Great video as always.

[@SheikAshii]

you are definitely the best kpop channel on youtube. This is very interesting. Thank you

[@kanchanbhalia8190]

Those support staffs have my so much respect Damn they have so much work to do 👏💜

[@svtsmyaddiction1456]

Love your channel because of this. You interview people and really try to educate us and specially those dumb fans from the comments. Other channels just tell the news and that's it. I really appreciate your hard work and I hope you keep doing this♥️ Don't mind the haters. Just focus on the people supporting you!

[@cookieemonsterr105]

OMG YOURE BACK i missed you and your content! keep it up youre doing great sweetie ♥️✨👑

[@aisheart6646]

Ok listen even if Irene Irene is an idol that doesn't mean she can do anything she want..and I know she's an idol and she is always stressed and can't control herself but is she the only idol in this world? No right and the other idols get irritated too but that doesn't mean that they will yell at someone.. but she apologized and the stylist excepted it so we should too and forget this incident AND being a stylist isn't easy for the people who says "any one can be a stylist" without staff an idol is nothing

[@rakshanaar6539]

Of course! She chose to be idol and she is stressed because of her work and she will earn for her work at the end of the day! That doesn't mean she can insult someone, staffs work under company go through in their life even more! Some fans are just too blind to accept the truth!

[@aisheart6646]

@@rakshanaar6539 ikr and idols, before deciding to be an idols know that they would be super busy and stressful if they choose that line but they accept it and get ready for the upcoming challanges.. everything idols wear from award show to reality shows to mv everything, if stylist wouldn't there then everything would go all wrong

[@rakshanaar6539]

@@aisheart6646 wow after seeing this video my respect for staffs went so damn highhh. I mean I had so much respect for gem but never knew what they go through and the psychical pain.. Damnn! I mean they work even more longer than idols and disrespecting them even a lil bit is not acceptable! Respect should be mutual! Its not that hard.

[@nameless9822]

Irene didnt apologize to the stylist after she 'calmed down', she didnt even apologize the next day, irene apologized AFTER the stylist made this situation public, kinda makes me think irene wasnt sorry at all and that she was forced by sm to release that 'apology' ://

[@peachiiejisoo5216]

I promise, every idol has gotten mad and yelled at a stylist at least once. It’s human nature.

[@thinktwice6246]

The commitment to doing your research and interviewing actually people in the industry is so far beyond what many other kpop channels do. It makes me feel so knowledgeable about these topics, not just the headline details.

[@J_young_824]

Those comments are b.s because people i mean every human being needs to be respect specially when they are working hard for you.

[@twicepilled]

Ugh i love this channel so much

[@anniezmnv2276]

I hope that at least some of the people who made those comments watch this video and feel a bit ashamed for being sh*tty towards others

[@vanessarayfox]

Love seeing my queen getting sponsorships!!

[@aesthetics2445]

You are so underrated this vid deserves more views! You did a lot of research ty. I feel like if someone like Yeri or Jennie made this mistake they would be attacked but bc its Irene, the beautiful stunning visual she is off the hook?

[@rakshanaar6539]

You have our support forever!

[@nat_to_world]

Just as staff need idols to have jobs, idols need staff. I think kpop history has shown well enough now how important having good staff who are invested in the career and personal growth of the idols are.