Another Star Trek Series Cancelled!!! Is The Franchise In Decline Or Ready For Rebirth?!?!

[@michaelhotard1557]

Star Trek is all about a hope for a better future for humanity. So, as long as there is a hope for a better future (which will there will always be), there will always be Star Trek.

[@williamantico7768]

Yes, and that's one of the reasons why Star Trek is Better than Star Wars. Because Star Wars has nothing to do with us.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

…so long as they’re able to maintain the ratings. I mean “happy future” is fine, but if it ain’t paying the bills it’ll get axed again

[@jazzlover10000]

My party (Democrats) bill the US as a late-phase Roman Empire. So I wouldn't count on "better future" in anything. Maybe 20 years later there can be a revisit if the attitude of post-boomers turns around.

[@naytron210]

Strange New Worlds is definitely the best Trek we've had in many, many years. Very glad to hear it's going to continue.

[@MrAwol007]

Same here if one show survives it should be that

[@Linda-oi4pj]

Worst butchering of Star Trek

[@johnnybravado7141]

@@Linda-oi4pj Worst commenter on this site

[@dilatedbeholder3865]

The only thing I don't like about SNW is the casting of Kirk. I know that nobody will ever replace Shatner but the actor is nowhere alpha enough to play Kirk.

[@johnnybravado7141]

@@dilatedbeholder3865 Since it's still just Kirk in development maybe he doesn't have to be so alpha right now but then again I haven't seen it. I just bought it because it was the only current Trek show that was highly recommended and is in 4K. As for what Discovery did with The Spock character, can you say CRINGE?

[@justinmartin845]

I love how the show we asked for is doing well, maybe they should take a hint and do it again with legacies instead of continuing to ignore the fan base and make something no one asked for.

[@kathyrhode6252]

I’m glad Strange New Worlds is being continued. Great!

[@illudiumq36spacemodulator39]

Not after this season 3 and it's only supposed to be 8 episodes.

[@brainysmurf74]

boo

[@Nobodyreallyatall]

SNW just recycles old Trek ideas, it's basically a sit com half the time, or pays fan service "homage" to old stories. They need to replace Kurtzman with someone who is actually interested in growing the francise.

[@cz1589]

@@Nobodyreallyatall Its not a bad series STNW. Regarding the social style and cultural perspective, its ok to keep it consistent if it can attract a broad new audience as well. Just going back to the past isnt that appealing to me. Time-travel is cool, but some level of chronological progress would be appreciated. Not remakes of old stuff. I'm fine with the soap aspects, as long it gets fresh things to explore. Time for Star Trek : Universe. After the burn and Burnham - era. Exploring the whole milky way with standard transwarp etc, maybe even trips to other galaxies. Add some TNG and DS9 to it and here we go...

[@mackmckinnon4407]

ten episodes are not enough. At least 15 to 20 are needed to shorten the time between seasons, all streaming platforms are making the same mistake. I am a die-hard Star Trek fan. I forget where it is streaming and when. Out of sight out of mind. When they end at 8 or 10 I have to sift to a different show or just find something else to do.

[@illudiumq36spacemodulator39]

My thoughts are this. When next gen, DS9, and Voyager was on it was all set in roughly the same timeline. The first problem is instead of Discovery being set a few decades later say in the 25th century it was set in the 23rd century. Then they travel to the 32nd century. Then Strange New Worlds premiers and they are in the 23rd century. This flip flopping timeline is the first problem. The second problem is the way the 23rd century technology is shown. It's too high tech looking. Not saying that some of our real world technology couldn't be applied to represent 23rd century tech but most of it is just too high tech looking. It should have looked more like a cross between the original series with just a small dash of early next gen series design thrown in. In the Enterprise 2 part episode In A Mirror Darkly the way the 23rd Century Defiant was shown was excellent. Some of the original props, set designs and the Defiant itself was upgraded slightly to reflect our advances in real world early 2000's technology but not so much to make it look too high tech. I remember when Episode 1 of Discovery was shown. The Shenzhou was way too advanced looking inside and out. Then when the Enterprise interior was shown in the Discovery episode it was way overdone, cluttered and way too high tech looking. Now comes the aliens. Klingons weren't broke so why did they have to change them? I can understand no hair because they still had traces of the modified augment DNA in their bodies but why did the heads have to be so big? Don't even get me started on the way they pronounced Kahless, Kahlesh??? WTF? Paramount/CBS this is why Trek is broken.The Picard series was a trainwreck. Season 1 was just barely ok, but after that it when downhill fast. Don't even try and have a Star Trek 4 movie. Scrap Discovery, Strange New Worlds and the Kelvin timeline movies. Make a series set in the early 25th century say starting in 2420 and only have one series at a time and no more cartoon trek and short treks. An occasional flashback episode is ok but no more flip flopping back and forth between multiple series. One of your biggest mistakes after Enterprise was cancelled was not showing a series about the Earth Romulan war. That would have been great.

[@pike100]

@@illudiumq36spacemodulator39 A series that included the Earth - Romulan War would be terrific. 👍

[@Mattball82]

You make many good points, but I disagree for sure that they should stop with the cartoons. Lower Decks is absolutely brilliant and takes nothing away from the live action series’. In fact, the Boimler and Mariner SNW episode is one of my all time favorite Star Trek episodes I couldn’t stop laughing and smiling 😁

[@josephstrickland830]

The recent cancellations of the current ST shows is a possible indicator that they've finally realized that anything related to JJ Abrams and/or Alex Kurtzmann has been a monumental hot mess from the beginning and that they might be finally positioning themselves to clean house and start over with better foundations. I'd love to see all the current shows come to an end, let the franchise cool off completely for a few years, then have an entirely new crop of showrunners brought in who actually care about the franchise and get back to creating ST worth watching again.

[@scorptrio8231]

Yes! For starters, they should ask, "do you think Star Trek is STUPID? Yes? Then we don't want you on the project." If the show-runner gets past that, the next question should be, "do you think Star Fleet should be portrayed as a bunch of Nazi Pigs in Space?" That would eliminate people like those responsible for Lower Decks, Discovery, and Section 31.

[@carolinehirst4921]

@@scorptrio8231 Strange New Worlds is a great series.

[@pigs18]

Except he's the EP on the next three shows. Picard S3 demonstrated that just as long as Kurtzman only develops the show and stays the [flippin' heck] out of the writers' room we should be fine.

[@InvisibleAvenger]

The cheerleaders for the JJ Abrams and Alex Kurtzman era stuff certainly are not buying merchandise from those movies and shows. Of the Eaglemoss ships that Master Replicas and Real Merch are selling both companies seem to have a harder time moving the Abrams and Kurtzman versions, I don't think I've ever seen a batch of Discovery, STD Enterprise, or Abram's Enterprises actually sell out.

[@RLucas3000]

@@scorptrio8231 Dude, Star fleet have been douches since The Original Series. Look at the ambassador in A Taste of Armageddon, the Undersecretary Barris in Trouble With Tribbles, the Commodore Decker in Doomsday Machine, all the brass in Court Martial, the Admiral in Amok Time. Not to mention all the douches in TNG. But suddenly we don’t want to see douches running Star Fleet. I am constantly befuddled by people who claim the new shows are too ‘woke’ when TOS was the most woke show in the history of network television! They did episodes on racism (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield), overpopulation (Mark of Gideon), endless anti-war episodes. And no one now gets how revolutionary having Uhura on the bridge every week was! They would constantly get letters from the 60s version of anti-woke people writing “I love your show, if it weren’t for that woman!” Uhura changed America as we knew it, getting male and female African-Americans into the space programs, the sciences, just as these new shows will hopefully also leave their positive mark.

[@girthbloodstool339]

Star Trek has been a 'franchise in decline' ever since "Enterprise" was cancelled. New Trek has generally been horrendously bad, with a few exceptions where it's reached schmalz and mediocrity. The sooner the current creators (Kurtzmann and JJ Abrams) are out of this business the better.

[@DerekSansone]

Enterprise was better than many gave it credit for (or even gave it a chance). Cld Ent hv bn better? Yes, but we can say that abt any other ST series. I really liked Enterprise. That said, the Series Finale was terrible. The cast & crew deserved much better from the writers.

[@andresuazo6129]

@@DerekSansoneyea I really liked Enterprise too and thought it didn’t deserve all the criticism it got. It was about exploration and discovery amd Scott Bakula was a great captain.

[@geekinitwithjimclassic8240]

I'm pretty sure kurtzman trek will be remembered as the dark age of Trek. Hopefully with these shows getting canceled, they'll be able to get a qualified showrunner to eventually give us a worthy Star Trek series.

[@carolinehirst4921]

The rebooted 1st movie with Chris Pine was very good. It was done with style and the cast had real charisma. They ruined it with two mediocre sequels

[@girthbloodstool339]

@@carolinehirst4921yeah, I dunno, I kinda don't like any of the recastings.... I think they should just make new characters. The cry-baby Spock in the Kurtzmann stuff is a good case in point. A 'the Kelvin Universe'? Look, if you don't want to make proper Star Trek, just come up with your own sci-fi - oh yeah, right, they can't.

[@kevinkissingersr2015]

Strange new worlds is fantastic love. The series and the actors that play the parts very good work

[@pdxthomas]

Good to know that SNW still has a future! The "Tales of The Federation' concept could very well have been among the best new series in a long time. Tragic waste of an idea.

[@marktisdale8058]

Pay to view model is not helping expand the base viewership.

[@geekinitwithjimclassic8240]

That's a good point. Where millions watched Star Trek on TV in the 90's, on streaming, it's probably thousands. I'm guessing of course, but if viewership was in higher numbers, Paramount probably wouldn't be in the financial spot that it's in.

[@mrcatchingup]

"Seasons" that some shows these days keep as short as only 6 episodes a year. We need shows with writing good enough that we start getting shows with 20 episodes a season.

[@HawkGTboy]

None of today’s actors or production staff could work as hard as their counterparts from 20+ years ago. When TNG was on the air they were shooting for 14 hours a day, 6 days a week.

[@Emanon...]

It's too expensive. Shows have made it standard to expect "Movie Quality" episodes. Any show not set in a city today will therefore be immensely expensive to produce, and syndication has become impossible due to exclusive streaming platforms, hence the low amount of episodes.

[@HawkGTboy]

@@Emanon... that’s a really good point about syndication, I had to consider that.

[@kennethlee494]

Sadly that will probably never happen, it takes money to produce the shows, the more episodes made the more money it costs

[@francescozenocchini4428]

Impossible nowadays. But we could still get something about 13 or 15 at least😊

[@drbuckley1]

I'd prefer that Amazon produce the final three books in "The Expanse."

[@mercuryredstone2235]

They are waiting for the actors to age first before they get into that. 😉

[@drbuckley1]

@@mercuryredstone2235 The last I heard, Wes Chatham hasn't read the last three books and doesn't know what happens to his character!

[@DavidBourne-bu3xh]

Just read them, they would be difficult to make as a series, either all the actors have to be replaced with actors 30 years older or significant make up/aging techniques would have to be used for the current actors.

[@DavidBourne-bu3xh]

@@drbuckley1 He is in for a surprise if he reads the books.

[@mercuryredstone2235]

@@DavidBourne-bu3xh Or they could just not do too much to age the actors like For All Mankind.

[@lukeflyswatter3203]

Ah that sucks. It's not like Lower Decks was expensive to make.

[@geekinitwithjimclassic8240]

If the show's not expensive to make, then the next logical possibility is that the viewership numbers must be so low they can't justify another season.

[@Swenglish]

@@geekinitwithjimclassic8240 Or that they're simply prioritizing other projects or cutting down on producing original content in general. Or that some executive takes personal issue with the content of the show or the people making it. Or that someone was going to leave the project and they weighed replacing them against canceling the show and decided on the latter. It should be also noted that the success of cartoons is often measured in large part by merch sales. A cartoon that sells a lot of toys and T-shirts (or is expected to) is likely to be prioritized over one that doesn't. I don't know how well Lower Decks is doing on that front, but it might be a factor. Another thing to note is that there are rumors of Viacom putting Paramount up for sale and/or Paramount+ potentially merging with another streamer. If true, that seems to suggest it's a time of change, and during times of change, all sorts of seemingly odd decisions are made. There could for one thing be rights issues arising if Paramount separates from CBS, or if Viacom sells Star Trek off separately (or separates it with the intent *not* to sell it). Ending shows could be a move to make things less complicated ahead of reshuffling or selling things.

[@micharlsantos3348]

Why is paramount so nonsupportive of star trek????

[@micharlsantos3348]

As for the haters of discovery..well you have your right to an opinion, but opinions are not facts! Discovery helped bring stsnw...so HAH!

[@geekinitwithjimclassic8240]

@micharlsantos3348 It's probably up to the size of the audience to help make those decisions for Paramount. If there's not enough eyeballs watching a show, it's going to get canceled.

[@Bru_Dog1]

Discovery is and was an insult to the franchise. Argument of the same can be made for the other cancelled you mentioned. Best hope SNW grows strong. As for your comment "there is a lot of stories to be told in this universe" WHICH ONE!! You want to know why the franchise is showing fatigue? Its because the canon is no longer strong.

[@schmodedo]

I like the idea of it being cyclical. People need to realize that, like the Star Wars universe, we have had a whole lot of Star Trek in one form and/or another for quite some time now. I was a fan of TOS in the 70s. Then we got the film franchise, then TNG in the 80s. Then DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise along with more films and a new timeline. Plus, some really excellent fan productions. I've enjoyed it all. We can debate about which series, movie, character etc. is better or worse, or we can all revel in the fact that we have been blessed with so much content. Beam me up! P.S. edited to add that while I did not acknowledge the newest series, it is because I have not watched them other than SNW season 1 (which was phenomenal). But I will not pay for yet another streaming service at the moment.

[@brobel1701]

The only reason I have Paramount + is for new and upcoming Star Trek content. To me it's worth it!!!

[@schmodedo]

@@brobel1701 I wouldn't fault anyone for that. I've been on the fence between dropping a sub for Disney+ or Paramount+ for some time now. I grew up on both Star Wars and Star Trek in the 70s. Paramount will probably win-out just because Star Trek has always seemed like a slightly more possible (even if improbable) future. And it's also a little closer to home being that I worked in the industry in the late 80s-90s and got to see a lot of the sets being built at the Paramount lot.

[@paintfatpurple7394]

Pay for one month and watch your show and then cancel it.

[@trevoreb]

Lower Decks is the only current series that gets better with every rewatch. Even the first season which I struggled with I now appreciate and have watched all episodes at least 3 times. Ok, except the bird episode S03E07. Love all the characters, the story arcs and because of that, love the ship. I’m glad SNW gets 2 more seasons but I want Lower Decks!

[@macmcleod1188]

I have to say, I had no interest in this series because of its ties to ST:D. I would have watched a 3 season series based on Axanar. I would have paid good money to a streaming service to do so if I had to. I spent literally thousands of dollars on Star Wars and on Star Trek over four decades. It took hard work to kill my interest in both franchises but they managed it.

[@nicolajohnson1887]

Lower decks is a good show, and the Orville is fun.

[@pike100]

@@nicolajohnson1887 The Orville isn't Trek. It's a parody and/or homage that is frequently quite juvenile and dumb.

[@TheRealJuseBeats]

Writers, producers directors all must be fans of the material. Anyone trying to push some sort of woke agenda and over the top stupidity needs to be fired. It doesn’t always have to be someone gay or trans or anything. The woman doesn’t always have to be the boss and men don’t have to be stupid and incompetent. Just make a good story with people doing with their supposed to be doing.

[@tonydagostino6158]

Not going to miss Discovery but dang, cancelling Lower Decks too! That sucks.

[@jameslyddall]

I'm actually watching discovery for the first time since it came out. I came out on the bandwagon of hating it but seeing it now I don't hate it. I think the characters though are a lot less developed then TNG or Voyager. Everything is too flashy and loud and doesn't allow for quiet stuff like staff playing poker. I know TNG is a different era of writing tv shows but I really loved those moments where they play poker and chat. These days writing episode you can't have these moments.

[@Liamshavingfun]

Lower decks sucks good bye, I'm happy to see it go. Discovery was the best one IMHO

[@ratedtriplex]

​@@Liamshavingfun i think Discovery will end up like DS9 and Enterprise. Under appreciated or disliked at the time but years later will be remembered fondly when compared to new shows that the hardcore will inevitably complain about.

[@Liamshavingfun]

@ratedtriplex I don't know why the dislike for discovery. Is it because it's more scientific based, has a time element (they can go forward in time), black female captain?⁉️

[@ratedtriplex]

@@Liamshavingfun well the big thing was the change to the klingon's appearance. Quickest way to anger the hardcore is to make a change like that. Luckily for me I'm not a hardcore fan and could get past the change and enjoy the show. I think Picard season 3 was some of the best Star Trek ever. I like Strange New Worlds a little better than Discovery, but I feel Discovery may be more important than both because it ushered in a new era of Star Trek on tv. I'm excited for the Section 31 movie and can't wait to see what replaces Discovery. RIP Lower Decks.

[@jonathanberry1111]

Star Trek is a great series that needs to stop being ruined by Kurzman. Just pretend none of that happened and make a show set after VOY/DS9 and ignore PICARD and STD.

[@TrekTrav]

It's not a franchise in decline. It's a studios streaming service cutting costs.

[@joserubenrodriguezfuentes]

Alex Kurtzmann is The Infamous KK from Starwars.....

[@jjc4577]

it is sad but very true..

[@johnassal5838]

Yup, ironically he had the most direct influence on Lower Decks which I think was fine if only because that was the only one of the shows that was supposed to be intentional self parody.

[@pike100]

Infamous KK from Star Wars? I don't understand the reference.

[@johnassal5838]

@@pike100 Kathleen Kennedy (KK) was George Lucas' hand picked replacement running Lucasfilm even before the sale to Disney. According to common knowledge she was even protected by a no-fire clause to ensure she could go on "protecting his legacy" when it appears she was a malignant narcissist who sucked up to him until he gave her the keys AND made it all but impossible for Disney to fire her. At which point she started systematically trying to take over and totally change everything she could.

[@jjc4577]

​@@pike100 Kathleen Kennedy is who is being referenced here. She famously said that she had no source material with which to create new Star Wars content, so she rewrote many of the premises for the Star Wars mythos. She also told us the reason the new Star Wars content was failing in the marketplace was because of the fans, not the content.

[@johngardiner5206]

We need more Orville too!

[@jakesmith5278]

I'll take one Orville over all of these craps.

[@johngardiner5206]

@@jakesmith5278 almost agree with you.....except SNW! Pike is wonderful and, the stories are well told. 🙂 very much like Orville!

[@jabberwocky1707]

How about ... _Galaxy Quest,_ the series?

[@johngardiner5206]

@@jabberwocky1707 OOH! Excellent choice. 😂

[@jabberwocky1707]

@@johngardiner5206 Surely _someone_ has done a parody crossover of the two? - 'Star Quest' or 'Galaxy Trek' maybe? 😉 - at least as a short story, Star Trek and Star _Wars_ has been done

[@richardmark9161]

Star Trek, the original series was always popular. The reason it was canceled is because it started getting too expensive. It was going to be canceled after the second season. The fans demanded that it went on. Seeing that it was going to get even more expensive, the budget was reduced drastically. That is when the ratings started to dip and that was their justification to cancel the series. The slashing the budget they sabotaged the third season to have an excuse to cancel it. The original series continued in animated form and made its biggest success in syndication then, of course subsequent films and follow up series and all of the merchandise. Almost 60 years of success. The original series was always and still is popular.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

Pretty much no part of that is true. Trek was cancelled at the end of its first season for low ratings, got revived, got cancelled again at the end of the second season, and only got a third season pickup because RCA bought NBC and thought the lurid color scheme on the show made for nice demo reels for their new color TV line. Even then, ratings sucked, and it got cancelled a third time. It didn’t become profitable until it was syndicated starting in 1970. Also, “becoming too expensive” is not how budgeting on 1960s TV shows worked. They had a set budget per episode and that didn’t change over the run of the show. The cast got pay increases every season, which came out of the fixed salary, as did the senior staff, so they had the same amount of money by the end, but could do less and less with it because more and more of it was going to the actors. Resulting in episodes looking cheaper as the show went along. Had it been popular, they could have renegotiated this, but it never was, so the budget on the final episode was the same as on the first proper episode (not counting the pilots)

[@richardmark9161]

@@mahatmarandy5977 how is what you said so much different than what I said???? Geeezus 😂

[@mahatmarandy5977]

@@richardmark9161 Well, for starters the ratings for the show were always crap. It got picked up for a second season based on a fan campaign, and the ratings were still crap, so it got picked up again. The show was “Not going to get more expensive.” There was no “Sabotaging the third season,” because the ratings were ALWAYS crap. RCA had hopes for it, it failed to live up to them, that’s that. Nobody ever *tries* to kill a show. A network can cancel something at any time just because they feel like it. Star Trek was not *persecuted* while it was on the air, it just wasn’t popular. Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea *was* popular, so it lasted longer, but it was crap which is why you probably have never heard of it. TOS was a good show, a little bit ahead of its time. It simply did not appeal to the white male 18-49 age demographic, and no show that didn’t in those days could survive. It did appeal to college kids, but in the 60s college kids didn’t buy much, and weren’t considered important. Interestingly, its success in syndication was a fluke. Shows with less than 110 episodes almost never got syndicated for financial reasons that’d take too long to explain. Paramount was just going to put it on a shelf and eat the loss. Unprecedentedly, a guy who owned two UHF stations in, I think, Pennsylvania, called the studio and asked if he could rent the show. They said ‘sure’ and he ran it, and it turned out to get huge aftermarket ratings, so the studio decided to make a bigger push - which they never would have done otherwise - and then, as you noted, it became successful. It essentially changed the whole process of syndication after that, where niche shows with not a lot of episodes were suddenly made available.

[@richardmark9161]

@@mahatmarandy5977 I don’t think I mentioned anything about ratings in my original comment. I was talking about the popularity. I believe I used the words “always popular”. Ratings and fan popularity are two different things for me. As far as the budget in the third season, I don’t think you can deny that was slashed. The show looked terrible in that third season. Same luck with the third season of Batman. It looked very much compromised. And networks do actually killshows. Look what happened to Gilligan’s Island? 💀 Since you seem to have all the ratings information available, do you have the budget numbers available to you as well? Fine they paid the actors more but they had the slash everything else in order to do that. That is still slashing the budget. Compromising production values is sabotage or stupidity or both. Why pay the actors more money if they are gonna compromise on production values and scripts? You added a lot more nuance, facts and details, but you’re really aren’t saying anything different yet you say about my comment “pretty much none of that is true”

[@mahatmarandy5977]

@@richardmark9161 i’m not sure how one would go about determining popularity without ratings. That’s a bit like saying the Beatles were incredibly popular but did not sell very many records. Or conversely, the Beatles sold the whole lotta records, but we’re never very popular. I openly admit that ratings are not the absolute best way to determine the popularity of something, but it is a number that at least gives you a baseline to judge whether something is becoming more or less popular and how many people are watching it. I mean, there may be in the way to go about it and you’re welcome to say that it was much more popular than the ratings reflected, but that a very difficult argument to win one way or another. I could probably find the actual ratings, but it would take me a while to do. The letter writing campaign might support your idea. The networks had a special system. They used for actual physical letters written to the network, which is pretty interesting. I can explain that if you like. That system doesn’t exist anymore. When you say you slashed a budget, that means that the budget is smaller than it was before you slashed it. Let’s say that you had a TV show that had $100,000 per episode budget. That includes say five cast members who are each getting $5000/year. That gives you $75,000 to do everything else on the show with. By the film stock development pay the writers, pay the directors, all that stuff. If your sugar gets picked up for another year, your budget will still be $100,000 per episode, but now your actors are getting $6000 an episode because of built-in union pay increases. So you’ve only got $70,000 an episode. To do all of the stuff that you did the year before. Next season your cast are now getting $7000 per episode because of the built-in raises which leaves you only $65,000 per episode to do everything. And so on. Essentially you will eventually hit a point where the show can no longer be made for its a lot of budget of $100,000 per episode. This is not a budget, it is just one of the factors that is built into budgeting a show when it starts, knowing the predictable decline in available money as the show progresses. This is just the way they did things in those days. That is why the final season of Gilligans Island looks like crap and why the final season of Batman looks like crap and so forth. The budgets didn’t go down, they just had less money to spend on things. And the reasoning behind this was that you would be acquiring new things each season. He wouldn’t need new uniforms for instance because you still had all the ones you made , would be two sets per year, which you could continue to use so the amount of stuff that you would offset the diminishing amount of money. Which is actually fairly reasonable under most circumstances. In sitcom, for instance that kind of budgeting made perfect sense for shows like Star Trek and most spy shows, it didn’t work as well. Star Trek had an additional disadvantage in that they couldn’t just use the MGM backlot to sub for exotic locations the way the man from uncle did, or the way voyage to the bottom of the Sea could get away with just using the fox studios backlot. Now it was possible to negotiate a increased budget if a show was popular enough. If it lasted five years, this happened automatically, but if a show had really good ratings, then the budget per episode would go up, which side steps the whole problem. But Star Trek never had good enough ratings to justify that. It’s not really a criticism. The twilight zone had a tiny budget and kept getting canceled too, and it never had good ratings either (seriously it was canceled five times in five years) But anthologies are relatively cheap to make, and while the twilight zone was never terribly popular, it did always win a bunch of awards. CBS was willing to keep it on the air as a prestige show For a while just because it made them look intellectual. I honestly don’t know if Star Trek won any awards. I will go and look that up.

[@edl653]

Discover, Lower Decks and Picard have run their course. Strange New Worlds will give us 3 more season or more I hope.

[@davidbutton3500]

I think the only episode of Discovery I actually liked was the last one.

[@patrickpirzer4080]

For me "Lower Decks" was thebest series in the last few years and the continuation of good old Trek like TNG. And it has a lot of humor like TOS and TNG.

[@itsabovemenow1016]

@@davidbutton3500 that’s one more episode more than I did.

[@repentdaily001]

Star Trek's best days have been behind it since Voyager wrapped, though Enterprise is Shakespeare compared to what we've had since 2009.

[@josephstrickland830]

At the time it was generally accepted that Enterprise was not the best Star Trek series. If we only knew 20 years later we'd be having to consider the likes of Enterprise a masterpiece in comparison to what's been released recently.

[@mikefromct5415]

absolutely voyager ended the series!

[@elizabethroth9721]

⁶​@@josephstrickland830

[@rickpontificates3406]

Strange New Worlds is surprisingly good. It's one of the best Star Trek spinoffs I've seen

[@stab74]

They lost me with the Gorn episode which was clearly an Aliens ripoff. I guess they figured noone younger than genX had seen those movies? 🤦‍♂

[@STho205]

It is very inconsistent though. Some of it is fine Space Ship Explorer drama, but some of it is Happy Days post shark Paramount gimmick and every 3rd episode is Spock my teen boyfriend parody of the stiff upper lip character of 1966 to 1985 Spock. There was always a bit of that even in TOS and TNG, with goofy episodes, some childish fairy tale plots and indulgent thespian romps... However 3 or 4 goof episodes out of 25 a year is expected. We still see 3 or 4 gimmick goof episodes a year, but out of 10...that's a lot. I think all the actors do a fine job when given serious written dramatic plots to work with. The look of the show is great. The costumes are the best and most convincing of all the franchise. The 50:50 or maybe 60:40 mix of female to male is much better than "Captain I'm Frightened!!!" of the 60s...or just two women of TNG, with one having almost no logical purpose as they ran out of ideas past, she's Rikers old girlfriend with an over the top MUUUtherrrrR.

[@charlottehammond8975]

no more origin things please. sick of the retconning. star trek is about the future. please focus on that

[@Clank_Clank_Im_a_tank]

I want to see something take place after the Dominion War where they are rebuilding the Federation and exploring. There is a lot of uncharted space on the far side of Cardassia to where the Alpha and Gamma quadrants border.

[@charlottehammond8975]

yes! great plan.

[@johnassal5838]

And no more secret siblings of Spock thank you very much. I never cared for Syboc and it just seemed idiotically lazy to me to assume Sarek is the only Vulcan who could end up raising a human child on Vulcan. It's totally believable to me that such a child would basically have to know Spock, they'd be in the same Special Ed class for logic after all, but enough of these siblings please.

[@johnassal5838]

@@Clank_Clank_Im_a_tank And the Beta Quadrant behind the Romulan Empire with or without the gawdawful timeline from Picard.

[@Clank_Clank_Im_a_tank]

@johnassal5838 what about a generational ship on a 70 year mission that maps a path to the Delta quadrant to establish transwarp corridors to circum navigate the galaxy.

[@kevinrickey3925]

I'm a huge fan of Star Trek but I wonder what happened to any New Sci-Fi ideas, or creators? Always a rehash, a remake like Dukes of Hazard 3, or Rocky 5000.. Where is anything new? We've lost all creative thinkers.

[@TheRealJuseBeats]

The state of the franchise depends on who is running Star Trek. If you got some one who is a fan genuinely then you’re gonna come up with some really good stuff. But if you just got money grabbing people that don’t care about the content or the universe or the fans then it’s gonna suck. Every franchise if they cared about the fans would get a council of fans to approve their projects. So they can make sure everything is aligned with Canon, etc..

[@GrayOperative]

I love Star Trek, but the franchise was over-saturated. I'm very glad, however, that Strange New Worlds will continue on.

[@starhawke380]

Star Trek is in decline because it isnt really star trek any more. its different shows and characters set in the star trek universe. Star trek was always fun due to the nature of the episodic series. New stories, new planets, new civilizations each week. Never knew what you were going to get. Now its just one story, broken up into 10 episodes for a season, if you are lucky... Lower decks is what came closest, and now its going away.

[@utterlee]

Lower Decks has had a really good run and five seasons isn't bad in this era. Better for it to go out on a high than drop off.

[@bbbl67]

One of the advantages of animated series is that they can be taken back up almost any time. Just look at Futurama.

[@dennisud]

Paramount is being sold to whomever will either continue the Star Trek saga or close it out. Making some of the series end will make the sale easier while allowing the option for new series, movies, or both. Going to 2 ongoing series while waiting for the sale is cost effective.

[@pike100]

@@dennisud There is only 1 ongoing series - Strange New Worlds.

[@dennisud]

@@pike100 Plus, Star Trek: Academy, and the Section 31 Movie!

[@pike100]

@@dennisud I didn't realize those projects have been 100% confirmed.

[@shaunsaunders531]

I'm more than happy for as many Strange New Worlds as they want to throw at us, as long as they promise to NEVER, NEVER do another musical episode!!! Boy Band Klingons was way too horrific to ever happen again.

[@davidusler4956]

The reason the Star Trek series is being canceled is because of the writers, it's obvious that none of them know what they're doing, none are competent writers, none of them have ever watched Star Trek, the constantly screwing up and making huge mistakes !!!!!!!

[@USARealityCheck]

I'm surprised no one responded to your comment. You are absolutely correct.

[@wblsdan2]

I am very happy with Strange New Worlds!

[@PaulYerden]

This has just gotten ridiculous with all change of what a season of a show consists of going from over 40 episodes in a season and then down to 10 because of greed. Episodes are and series will almost always continue for Star Trek as they have since the 90s. Stopping one show to focus on another Star Trek TNG moved after DS9 and then it was canceled after they had a few seasons of Voyager then movies. They don't care about you or I they care about cash.

[@Emanon...]

Strange New Worlds is great! Glad to see it continue!

[@andrewstark34]

Star trek discovery Should Have been in the 24 century after the next generation 😢

[@lindamaclaren1866]

Great cast and characters...just wish the writers could take the next step and produce some great stories... Probably not gonna happen.

[@Earwaxfire909]

I don't think today's executives in control of Star Trek understand the philosophical theme of the series. They are too dumb. It's game over. We need to let real artists create science fiction and have executives get the F out of their way!

[@SpankyRayWins]

Strange New World is the only ST that deserves to continue.

[@thinkingitthrough8368]

Absolutely agree. No more singing episodes. Ever. Never. On pain of death.

[@Temeraire101]

And Lower Decks IMO, though I’ve not seen the latest series yet so do not know if it was good.

[@SpankyRayWins]

@@Temeraire101 This one is debatable for me. I understand why peeps would like it, but it feels off to me.

[@Bo_Nidle]

Post 2009 productions using the name Star Trek are like someone has dug up a dead loved one and proceeded to abuse their corpse. Post 2009 Trek is total crap. Modern Hollywood is bereft of creative talent now, so just let the franchise rest in peace.

[@Clank_Clank_Im_a_tank]

I think they need to step back and take a short break. SNW is cool but when are they going to have Pike's accident and replace him with Kirk? It's time to take a long look at what made DS9, TNG and Voyager so successful. I think they need to settle on a period probably not set before the Dominion War and start a new show with new characters. I would like to see a post Dominion war, post Battle of 001 Trek focus on rebuilding the Federation. Get back to Exploration and strengthening the Alpha quadrant after what was the most destructive era.

[@kirkdarling4120]

A television season need not correspond to an in-universe year. There can be many seasons of episodes squeezed into the years before Pike's accident. However, I suspect Paramount+ will submit SNW to the playlist churn after it's fifth season.

[@veronicamaine3813]

Pikes accident is years away and you seem to have misunderstood that the show is about Pike not Kirk - as for the rest please no.

[@qui-gonrick7002]

​@@veronicamaine3813Plus the new Kirk sucks.

[@pike100]

I would love to see a post Dominion war Star Trek series!

[@j.rileyindependentproductions]

Responding to the title of this video... Star Trek is not in a place for a "rebirth." It would have to end again for that. It's already had technically 4 rebirths, TMP, TNG, JJ Movies, Discovery. Don't get me wrong, I think they should have at least had Lower Decks and Prodigy should have gone to the 7th season Trek standard. However, with Strange New Worlds running strong, and multiple Star Trek projects in production; everything is going strong in Trek in general. I really think that if they reveal Legacy happening, it will be after Discovery is over. I mean, after all, they'd easily be able to repurpose and redress the Discovery sets (hopefully extensively), reducing costs considerably. The biggest issue Trek has is fatigue. There was too many shows at once distracting everyone. I mean, STW, Discovery, Prodigy, Picard, and Lower Decks all on at the same time was unprecedented. Too many to watch at the same time in this current time in our society. Personally, I think DS9 and VOY plus TNG movies proved that having two Trek shows on at the same time plus a singular cinema Trek movie franchise going on as well, was the perfect formula (the quality of some of those films not withstanding).

[@friendofvinnie]

Star Trek is an American science fiction media franchise created by Gene Roddenberry, which began with the eponymous 1960s television series and became a worldwide pop-culture phenomenon. Since its creation, the franchise has expanded into various films, television series, video games, novels, and comic books, and it has become one of the most recognizable and highest-grossing media franchises of all time.

[@TheAutomotiveReview]

Star Trek needs to sign on True Star Trek Faithful like Terry Matalas. The Wealth of Star Trek stories, characters and material could be translated into wonderful movies and cable / TV series. Star Trek Strange New Worlds is the best of Star Trek in the current era. Not having William Shatner do a cameo in any of the recent Star Trek incarnations is an abomination! I would love to see a Star Trek Excalibur series with Joe Flanagan of Stargate Atlantis fame as Capt. Mackenzie Calhoun and Cmdr Shelby warping through the galaxy. Star Trek is not a trend it is a frame of mind that the world / galaxy can be a better place if we think positively and work together for the betterment of all peoples.

[@MusikCassette]

" Not having William Shatner do a cameo in any of the recent Star Trek incarnations is an abomination!" strong disagreement with that. getting that Diva envolved again would have been a misstake

[@mainstreetsaint36]

The man is in his 90s. The time to have had him appear in "modern Trek" would have been in the 90s to the early 2000s.

[@straycat1674]

Here’s a thing. Star Trek discovery kind of lost me. I didn’t really think it was that good. It couldn’t hold my attention very well. They were trying to be something more and I had a hard time putting my finger on it. A strange new worlds, this is good. This is really good. I wasn’t a big fan of the musical episode until the Klingon started singing. That was the funniest thing ever! And as of now my favorite was the lower decks crossover which I hope they do more of those. But I think people want more things like strange new worlds. Plus I wouldn’t mind an enterprise reboot.

[@baggyobeast]

Prodigy is the only trek show I care about. If that lives then trek lives in my mind

[@sfmaster4838]

Trek will get revived when Paramount gets sold, JJ Abrams and Kurtzman get fired. Period.

[@KellyDuggan-q6q]

I agree, trek will survive without krutzman and jj Abrams. Maybe it will be better

[@mikefromct5415]

Nope just not Star trek anymore not the same thing as the real series!

[@katherynet1424]

I just found your channel, I just want to chime in by saying, I think Star Trek still could be heading for great things, I really do hope they develop a Star trek legacies to continue on from Picard, season 3 of Picard hit all the great feels of course some of it was nostalgia but it was still a really good season. Glad to hear Strange new worlds is continuing too I love the cast and they work well together.

[@DavidCoxDallas]

seems Lower Decks could be reworked into CGI w/o too much of a change. ergo, they'd just need to pay voice talent & scriptwriters. so, wouldn't cost much to make.

[@rickyaustin7835]

Seems voice actors are going out on strike so that is most likely the reason they are ending it.

[@jazzk4072]

Quantity over quality is always a tragedy. Miss real Star Trek in the vein of TOS and McFarlane’s homage. Brave New World’s is pretty nifty as well. 😘

[@pike100]

*Strange New Worlds

[@sharonromero128]

Can’t imagine StarTrek being cancelled or phased out. I have really enjoyed Strange New Worlds & would like to see it continue. StarTrek Academy sounds interesting & promising, as well. Who knows what will happen because we all know too well it’s all about money & profit. I hope the best for all.

[@michaeljdauben]

I'm sorry to hear Lower Decks won't continue, but you have a point that five seasons isn't a bad run. I'm honestly surprised STD lasted this long. The first season was terrible, and I just quit watching it after the first two episodes of the second season. SNW had a good first season but stumbled a bit on the second season. If they can recover from that it will hopefully be worth watching next season.

[@Doublebarreledsimian]

The major problems I saw from the Kurtzman led Star Trek series ( aside from the atrocious writing); is also due to using ideas that were rejected years ago. There's a reason why Discovery's ship design was rejected. It's also why the idea for Star Trek Academy was rejected. A bad idea is just a bad idea, no matter what decade it was thought up from. Reviving them and trying a new "spin" on a bad idea, is just, well, bad.

[@scorptrio8231]

What's so bad about a design that can crash into solid ice at high speed, suffer no damage from its hull being crushed, and yet is COMPLETELY HOLLOW ON THE INSIDE?! It's absolute GENIUS to make a Starship hollow, because who would want to use the interior space in a ship for anything? We build Starships that big just so all the space inside can be wasted. How is it going to make a good airplane and submarine if it's a good starship?

[@johnassal5838]

Good writing and acting can make anything fun to watch. Of course if the idea is astonishingly bad the talent has to be incandescent like The Producers/Springtime for Hitler or even Being There which if you think about it sounds like a direct to DVD release from a megachurch.

[@Doublebarreledsimian]

@@johnassal5838 My favorite guilty pleasure movie is; The Core. It's ridiculous, idiotic, but the cast is amazing.

[@Golfnut_2099]

Their problem... They released them on Paramount+, behind a pay wall. Put them on regular TV and they will do just fine... Strange New Worlds will. I enjoyed Lower Decks. Drop the rest.

[@lliamjurdom9505]

strange new worlds is the only good thing happening in the Trekverse ...

[@vovasyhin7219]

You say the original series only aired for only 3 seasons however the original series released more then twice as many episodes per season just like TNG. Meaning overall they still made more episodes then Discovery and Lower Decks. The real problem is greedy actors and executives, and very high operating costs for Streaming services and Television Studios, also Paramount are morons for not learning their lesson with the original series, as yet again they restricted viewers to very limited streaming platforms two of which are completely unsuccessful. As it would be much more profitable by completely axing Paramount + and releasing Star Trek to every Streaming services including pay per view, and eventually free view. Also releasing the entire series as a Blue-ray Box set would still bring in even more money, as plastic its printed on is almost free at this point.

[@russshanks5913]

Strange New Worlds IS the strongest Trek new shows. Discovery is a poor cousin.

[@marcchuck-you-farleytrembl2145]

The one good thing about Disco, and I seriously mean the only good thing, is that is gave birth to SNW.

[@Conn653]

It's no great loss for me having 'Lower Decks" being cancelled. I couldn't finish the 1st episode before switching it OFF.

[@DaviRBify]

You have badtaste thats why.

[@marionandrews176]

Discovery was just awful (Doug Jones, Michelle Yeoh and Jason Isaacs excluded). The story is focused on one character who seems to be the savior of every event and there is always a sickly sweet ending to every storyline. Strange New Worlds is actually really good. The storylines are fresh and the characters are not perfect people. It’s well cast and so far, the episode are well written. Like many of the other good Star Trek series, SNW is truly an ensemble show. I hope they don’t cancel this series. We had to endure 5 seasons of Discovery, at least give us that many seasons of Strange New Worlds.

[@Clubtender]

I would like to see them concentrate on Strange New Worlds and Legacy for now. Eventually, Strange New Worlds is either going to time it's self out or morph into a rebooted TOS. That means that Legacy will be the Trek with room to grow. They need to get Legacy into production soon. Jeri Ryan is 56 years old and Michelle Hurd is 57. It would be nice to get them some air time to cement their characters in Legacy before it's time for them to pass on the torch to the following generation and have some continuity.

[@dexterfurman9118]

Discovery was terrible. The character and writing was abysmal. The only characters I liked was Saru and Pike. SNW had so much potential with the perfect leading man. Unfortunately, the writing was terrible and amateurish. Spock is made to look like an idiot and because of the WOKE writing he was never allowed to act like a real Captain and command the crew as he should have. Instead he is always being told what to do by other crew members.

[@yamagata008]

Hoo-ray! Ansom Mount is Capt Pikard. He was born to play this role. This is my favorite Star Trek show. I am a bit sad that Lower Decks was cancelled, because it is my second favorite show.

[@pike100]

Captain Pike, not 'Pikard.'

[@pike100]

Anson, not Ansom.

[@pike100]

I do agree that Strange New Worlds is an incredible series! 🙌

[@CaptainCharismaless]

I'm bummed about this. I really enjoyed Lower Decks and Prodigy. I hope Strange New Worlds isn't next. Well at least Netflix picked up Prodigy. I hope someone would pick up Lower Decks or SNW if it gets cancelled. That aside there are two shows I would like to see. I wouldn't mind seeing a show that takes place during the TOS movie era. The second idea is, I know a lot of people want to see Star Trek: Legacy but I would rather see a completely new ship and crew and would rather have cameos and guest spots in certain episodes.

[@michaelstorm2165]

ST/SNW is the ONLY franchise product worth watching. I pray this continues.

[@retluoc]

I did hear that Lower Decks has been canceled after season 5.😔 I'd like to see crossovers as well. Those Old Scientists had me laughing so hard, I almost couldn't breathe. 😆 I'm glad to hear that Strange New Worlds is being renewed. Even though he's not specialized in any field, I like Captain Pike. It doesn't matter which actor plays him. His character isn't the warrior Kirk or Sisko is. He's not the diplomat Picard is. He's a good balance of all.

[@ottebya]

Star Trek Strange New Worlds is BY FAR the best Trek to come out since Voyager, THANK GOD it is continuing

[@nicolajohnson1887]

Lower decks is great and the Orville is basically trek.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

@@nicolajohnson1887 Orville is a pastiche of Trek. Though word on the streets is season 4 might start filming in early 2025. And that's only if Scott Grimes isn't talking out his butt.

[@robertneville9606]

If I were a betting man (and a network executive ), I would green light a reboot of the 1973-74 Star Trek cartoon so fast. Don’t know who would star in it. Hmm? I know...Maybe Bill Shatter, George Takei and Walter Koenig would agree to reprise their roles. Can’t say how many viewers would tune in but I know I would!

[@Emanon...]

The only argument which has never been valid is that "Star Trek is too woke". Star Trek has been the definition of woke since TOS before it was even a concept. Not everything woke is bad. Not everything bad is woke.

[@johnjames4834]

wow you sure like the word woke

[@quigglyz]

Woke is always bad. But you’re right: Trek has always been bootlicking establishment propaganda. Entertaining, but propaganda.

[@NathanBrooks-x1c]

First season of strange new worlds was almost perfect, season’s two scripts were mostly bad and a disappointment. I’ll be surprised if season 3 is better than 2. The problem also is with the studio and CBS. Horrible CEO’s and producers who wasted a lot of money on Alex Kurtzmann and his company. And finally actors who wouldn’t sign on unless they got to play a different Star Trek and not the same old characters, boo hoo.

[@danieldickson3896]

As someone new to this fandom, I really want to address my experience of the online space. I know some fandoms can be "toxic," but it genuinely surprises me how much negativity I find in this fandom in the comments sections. Surely, most Star Trek fans are not this unhappy with modern Star Trek. After all, half of all Paramount+ subscribers watch at least one new Star Trek show, and that whole streaming service would be nothing without Star Trek. Compared to most modern franchises, I really admire Star Trek's restraint in not greenlighting loads of half-baked content. The people involved have addressed over-saturation and seem to be conscious of that. Look at Marvel as an example of a franchise that bit off more than it could chew. So I struggle to see why this franchise is in danger. It seems to be really thriving right now and making all sorts of new content without overdoing it like Star Wars and Marvel. Those franchises seem to be in a much worse state than Star Trek. For any streaming show in the current landscape to last five seasons is actually a real rarity. So the fact that we have five seasons of Lower Decks and Discovery is great, and ending them now to make way for more Strange New Worlds, Academy, and TV movies should be a really exciting prospect for the future of the franchise. The thing about Academy that some people need to realize is that Star Trek needs to have a series that younger viewers can get into because the existing fan base is aging. The series needs to pull in younger viewers for its longevity. I think it’s a unique and engaging concept. From what I understand, everyone thought Deep Space 9 was a crazy idea before it aired, but it moved the franchise forward and made way for new ideas and new storytelling in the universe. The constant hate on Discovery is really unwarranted, in my opinion. That show wouldn't have lasted five seasons if people weren't watching. It’s the series that pulled me into the universe. I found it to be engaging, and it inspired me to check out the older stuff too. I’m glad it tried to be a bit different and wasn’t a copy of what came before. This is a huge universe, and there’s room for all kinds of stories.

[@corwinzelazney5312]

Its definitely not just you. This fandom is full of gatekeepers constantly claiming they speak for 'real' fans. Real meaning everyone who agrees with them. Most fans of all the shows don't go online and rant about how much they love it, so the haters and gatekeepers get all the oxygen and are over represented. As you said, Discovery has been on as long as it has because it has a good, solid, and large fan viewership. Which I'm sure makes the hater's little heads explode. No one gets to decide who real fans are.

[@joeatwood1346]

I assume you work for Paramount.🤨. Anyone you find ranting because there were minority characters are probably haters. Anyone calling out poor writing is a fan. A show like Lower Decks is…well…low humor, and although Star Trek has always had some humorous episodes, it wasn’t a comedy, or given to such low humor…which made it to a certain extent…disrespectful…to what came before. A show like Discovery is just horribly written. Again, the “magic mushroom” drive was just embarrassing low humor. And the complete absence of discipline in the commanding officer shatters any pretense of realism. A crew of supposedly professional, intrepid explorers stopping in the midst of a minutes-to-live evacuation to have a hug-and-cry about their feelings is evidence of clueless writing. It is what one would expect of angsty teenage fan fiction, not professional, adult script-writers with any pride in their craft. Again, this is disrespectful to what came before. Zero scientific knowledge was displayed and canon was disregarded and ignored. More disrespect. Most fans can and will criticize any of the Star Trek shows and films. They all have their good and bad elements. But taken as a whole, Lower Decks was a gag taken too far, and Discovery just wasn’t good…because of its writing. Good actors; some good characters…but not a good show. Various activists, however, act as if any criticism is an attack on their preferred identity group…which is absurd…unless their identity group is bad script-writers… And such disingenuous “defenses” are again, disrespectful; in this case to passionate fans who want to see a good show. Those fans are not “toxic” - the people dismissing or misrepresenting their valid criticisms are being toxic. We don’t care if an engineer is gay…but we do care if the ship is powered by magic mushrooms: this is science fiction, not space fantasy. We don’t care if the Federation collapsed…but we do care when that was caused by hand-wavium when it had internal problems and external enemies that would more logically cause its downfall. Discovery was just poorly written. Strange New Worlds is a breath of fresh air that doesn’t disrespect the audience. They even pulled off a musical episode that worked because it did respect the franchise and the audience.

[@TheGreatSteve]

Five series and I haven't watched one. And I own the TNG box set, so it's not like I'm not a fan.

[@ThomasMitchum-z9z]

I hope and pray that ALL future seasons of STAR TREK:STRANGE NEW WORLDS, will come out on dvd......PLEASE!!!!!

[@greg_1492]

dvd? That's so 2002 xD

[@gregorymaupin6388]

As someone who grew up watching Star Trek the only new one I could stomach is Strange New World, this being said I did watch Star Trek the Next Generation and Deep Space 9 only because I was hoping to see something similar to the old series. I did enjoy the movies even when Chris Pine played Kirk as he seemed to have the same energy as Shatner. This is just my opinion and you don’t have to agree with it.

[@gregkelly2145]

One thing's for sure. We've seen absolutely, unequivocally what NOT to do from JJ/Kurzman for Star Trek to move forward.

[@itsabovemenow1016]

The ideals of Star Trek aren’t finished. It just fell into the hands of Heather Kadin and Alex Kurtzman who don’t care about what the fans expect. They just imagine a female-dominated hug-and-cry fest full of unhappy and thoroughly unlikeable characters. I didn’t even bother watching Discovery’s last two seasons. I got tired of of Michael Burnhak saving the entire universe over and over.

[@educationchannel2168]

Kirk saved earth a few times

[@bobdavidson5270]

Both of these shows are awesome, lower decks is really a well written and enjoyable.

[@whya2ndaccount]

Great - As long as there are no more cross-overs, musicals and Klingon Boy Bands.

[@kevinsacks3185]

Thanks for the update

[@alphawiz]

I'd much rather see a Star Trek series that is looking forward, not back in time. There are too many prequels out there in the universe already.

[@alangmross]

Discovery is an embarrassment…

[@dougmatthews8469]

I SO wanted to love Discovery but other than a couple good episodes I just gave up after two seasons; I don’t consider it Star Trek anymore, it’s something different that we should collectively forget.

[@user-kn3sv6jg4h]

Nah, only the folks that don't know what Star Trek Voyager is ACTUALLY called. :P

[@Revan498]

Lower Decks cancelation is just proof that Paramount (and modern Hollywood in general) actively resents its customers.

[@Velez8669]

It's horrible!!!!

[@Jedi71]

Cry more snowflake.

[@kennethlee494]

The fact that the company trying to buy Paramont is the same company that brought us jjtrek does not give me hope for the future of trek.

[@stevengeorges9046]

Star Trek is the only reason I'm still a subscriber. Be careful about having too few Star Trek shows in production.

[@johnjames4834]

i like strange but it annoys me that you are constantly aware the main character is going to die

[@mark-nm4tc]

TV shows like Trek are now very expensive to make. I recall a story that the late Richard Arnold once told me. He was at a con in the 80's with Dr Who actors. He was asked how much TNG cost per episode and about $1 million was the answer. The Dr Who cast looked surprised and one of them said 'Really?....we used to make an entire series for that!'. Also, one issue Trek has is over-saturation of TV markets - there can literally be too much of it doing the rounds. The original series is still screened on global TV somewhere....

[@macmcleod1188]

The thing is movies like Godzilla minus one shows us that they could do it inexpensively and at high-quality. Special effects of gotten insanely cheap compared to what they used to cost.

[@jaityrone6306]

Well, Paramount would be wise to have their own Post production studio. Because it would be less expensive in the long run.

[@dennisb9638]

I recently started watching The Orville. That’s more Trek than Star Trek itself has been for many years.

[@danweber7124]

I like the new stuff. People have been saying Discovery was gonna be cancelled after season 1. My biggest complaints is that they focused it too much on one character, and the whole adoptive sister to Spock. Could've created a whole new Vulcan character for that purpose. They're just following a trend that a lot of streaming services have doing for years. Create new shows some original some, based on known properties. Then either they conclude them properly or they abandon them completely, The Tick for example. Plus I assume actors today don't want to be tied down for a 20 + episode commitment due to the fact they want to pursue other projects.

[@danox2851]

We have to keep strange new worlds going

[@Starflare5]

The studio did state in a prior conference that they had to drop another series in order for them to bring on Star Trek Legacy. This could be the answer.

[@mperry50]

Discovery was worth it just to see Tig Nataro, I loved her sarcastic character and Star Trek will never die

[@reindaz]

I few words, Start Trek before 2009 GOOD, after 2009 BAD, very BAD!

[@ninefive0]

Sometimes you gotta prune away dead limbs so new growth can flourish. Trek is alive and well. Strange New Worlds is all I need right now. Please for the love of all that is sacred, never reboot TNG!

[@jdnaylor]

Star Trek is easily solved. Get rid of JJ and Kurtzman, they don't get it. Give us the shows we want, stop forcing shows we don't want down our throats. They've been yammering about Section 31 and Academy for years now, nobody asked for this. Please, no more prequels, no more origin stories. As good as SNW is, it's still a step back in a franchise that should be moving forward. There is positively no limit to the storytelling that could be done post-Dominion War if they'd just get on with it. It's really that easy.

[@eric-rounds]

I love Lower Decks and am sad and also surprised they’re canceling after 5th season

[@kirkdarling4120]

It's The Churn. Even hit shows plateau sooner or later in gaining new subscribers. So, the services churn the playlists.

[@raymondcanessa7208]

I'm hoping for a Lower Decks movie

[@nathancline4000]

I'm guessing they are kinda shooting for 5 season runs, and move on to other projects. And given the possible mergers being thrown around, new creative leadership may not want to be tied down for another 2 + years per season on shows which have had a run. I would imagine the writers strike may be leading to cut-backs in numbers of in production programming as well, do to higher costs.

[@pike100]

​@raymondcanessa7208 There is no way that there is an adequate appetite for a Lower Decks movie for it to be a success.

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@@pike100 Maybe on a streaming service like Section 32. Lower Deckers now senior staff on Enterprise E showing what happened on the "E" was not Worf's fault.