Antioch on the Orontes: From Seleukos to Holy Hand Grenades

[@leoborros]

Antioch is a incredibly important city historically, yet so little is said about it over here on youtube it baffles me. Thankfully u´re around to give us content. Thank you, that is fantastic!

[@gradynelson]

As being born there I can say it's a pretty crazy place. There were couple of great earthquakes in the history so you can't even dig a hole without hitting a ruin. I remember they started to building this cheap-ass hotel and it turned out to be a futuristic museum hotel which has the world's biggest one piece mosaic. Or I remember they started plumbing on this famous only-pedestrian street and now if you walk there and look below you'll see you actually on a thick glass and there are lots of ancient structures under the ground. There weren't any mosquees except those the historical ones or I almost never meet muslims there but after my time they enforced the whole city into a form under some political reasons. Conservatives involved. The best thing was the food of course. It's like a southern US town. They love vegetables, green things, spice(mostly basil and cumin) and not much of meat. I never saw like a plain meat meal without spice or without tons of processing. All the food are in red because of the pepper paste. Lot of use of pepper. They love their food flavory and they don't hesitate to fry it most of the times. As desserts it's mostly smooth but since this is Turkey there are lots of pastries. Even so I can say the people there aren't like the rest of the country from this point. I can't eat most of the foods or desserts all along the country. This is why they live like vampires. There are noone from my family tree who has my surname died yet. I mean both grandies of my father are alive. They just know to talk French and still calling the local currency 'francs'. The society is really diverce. It's funny when you read about it but it's crazy when you have catholic, orthodox, jewish friends all together. Even so, the population was mostly on this local religion which there is no heaven, hell or sin for them. They have some other kind of system and believe in resurrection. Similar to jewish they put the womans out of the circle and it's innate. If you handle the situation from this point it's good thing for a community to have a God that is not having an intention of spreading. The people from this religion are the most kinds and because of their alienage to the language they use each damn sentence element like they wait on the commas and never mistake the suffixes. This is makes it so funny because they talk slowly and lengthen the last vowel of the sentence. This is the countryside's accent. Even I can't understand most of the people live in this country despite knowing the language. They don't have religious buildings or an intelligible form of worship. They just whisper by themself just standing there and what they whisper are the most top secret thing on their lives because they memorize these tens of pages transcripts on their teenage ages after this crazy oath sermon and I know their worshipping includes some wine. It's real they just take a sip after they finish reading but it's not more than like three sips and they put basil in it. Btw basil is like the national plant there. They even put it over graves. To understand the Antioch it's the most important thing to know this local community. I believe it's really hard to find information about this online since it's a local secret but you should get my point. I even saw a pair of GIANT TOMBS. Like a long heavy truck buried. There are stories from this weird ass religion mentions about a giant ancient human race and two brothers used to live on those mountains. They used to yell each other from hill to hill to communicate and actually their graves are where they were shouting each other just before they get killed. I don't say I believe it but it's full of this kind of folk tales. I heard many times their religious inscriptions mentions about that the people who invented things like people who has contributed the world are actually chosen and sent by God but even they don't know that. So the God actually taking time to develop the science and so on the earth. This also shows this community are wide open to modernization. Despite the restrictions on muslim woman, in this community they are free as they can imagine and as far as I saw womans are really respected both inside and outside the families. Even it's a poor society and mothers were mostly house wifes, it was the mother who rules things. You know this just is a generalization but an accurate one. You might don't get it but me growing there and being outside of it too made me see the difference very well. This is Turkey so womans are lightly respected and that is just on the central districts. Oh and they are leftist, libertarian, on-its-own ppl. They experienced a huge genocide during Ottoman times so the goverment itself plus the muslim ppl deeply don't like this community. There is a well-known nation wide saying goes like "candle went out". It's about back in the days this community used to gather up in secret places and blow the candles if someone walk close to the tent. So the saying coming out with an accusation of these people actually gathering as big families and just banging each other like animals in dark after the worship and blowing the candles. This is a saying everyone knows here. Also ottomans used to paint a red cross to the doors of these families and then murder them so there is also a nation-wide some kind of mock about that one either. Their phenotypes are mostly bright white skin, long eyelashes, dark colored eyes and hair. You can confuse them with christian or jewish ppl bc they a bit same but all are different from the muslims. That's bc the muslim migration was too late. It's really so easy to spot someone and say 'hey this guy should be from antioch' especially if you heard the accent. Because noone, believe me not even a single person here can talk clearly. Except the ones with academic background. Antioch ppl have an accent too but you can hear what they say word by word. You should have a real good idea about the locals now. Btw ottomans didn't seperate the christians, jewish or ppl from this religion during the genocide. It was like muslims vs the others so there is some hate to the muslims under the mask. Finally they gathered up and played an important role on the death process of the ottoman empire. It's like a passive hate like all the rest religions are good with each other except they all even don't get married with muslims. Sorry for this generalitazions etc but this is the best way to describe it. They say all live in peace but actually the history is the locals getting bullied by ottomans or muslims. If you heard about the '2013 Occupy Gezi Protests' half of the people died there were from Antioch. That's because the police are conservative and muslim in Turkey so they hated the Antioch locals. So there is a real high contrast between the local and turkish culture and I somehow appreciate this situation made the Antioch to get isolated.

[@thelastshallbefirst6531]

Before it was Antioch, it was a twin sister city to Meroe in present fsy Sudan. It was called anti-Meroe on the Orontes.

[@bastadimasta]

Wonderful, my favorite historian in KZbin

[@AtheusMaximus]

You forgot to mention the zerg invasion and brave defense of Antioch by executor Artanis.

[@MilledSteel]

This was great, there’s so little information out there on the Seleucids.

[@kanyekubrick5391]

Great content. Nice to see the origin of the famous city of Antioch.

[@selvoselvo1]

18:50 Diocletian's palace Split

[@kaloarepo288]

Under the Parthians and Sassanians ,Ctesiphon which was opposite Seleucia-on-Tigris,became one of the largest cities in the world until the Abbasids replaced it with Baghdad nearby.All that remains of Ctesiphon today are the ruins of a huge arch which was part of the royal palace.

[@thesusposter48]

you shall count to 3 no more no less

[@leoborros]

The number that shall be counted is 3, and 3....shall be the number that is counted. Nor 4, nor 2, but 3.

[@detoxicinspection]

3:24 Seleukos was Greek, Macedonians were Greeks, there is no need to separate. There are tons of historical evidence that proves it.

[@Antiocherr]

Im proud to be from this holy city!

[@captinobvious4705]

Antioch is always an interesting subject to tall about

[@tgducsfdifxdt4533]

Talk about not Tall about

[@tamerlane3931]

very nice video i think that the religious arguments within Christianity played a major role in the history of Antioch during the byzantine period. the predominance of Jacobites and Maronites was a factor . at some point byzantine emperors were asking religious concessions in exchange for support and protection . local Syrian Christians obviously did not appreciate it. and the city is still the main seat of orthodox patriarchs .. their official title is : "patriarch of Antioch and the entire east "

[@tomytoma6287]

Antioch is Syian land , Thnak you for the video very interesting as there is no to much material on youtube about Antioch on the Orontes ,very interesting note even today in 2022 Antioch or Antakya is a very important city and a peacefull city with all kindes of ethnic groups and religious groups living side by side in love and harmony and beeing few km from the war zone and also beeing within the turkish republic not very well known for interthnic peace and harmony.

[@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking]

9:45 - He chose a strategically important hillside with a commanding view and perfect port. Man, that eagle was smart!

[@weilandiv8310]

Best Western in Antioch is my go-to lodgings. Robert Curthose had a twin suite there.

[@ogshaggymac]

First, thou shalt take out the holy pin, then shalt thou count to three.No more,no less.

[@luizsa8300]

18.35 Isn’t that a representation of Diocletian’s palace at Split?

[@mns8732]

Great

[@iivin4233]

If your thumbnail image is an accurate reconstruction it makes me wonder if the youtubers who say fortifications were not built up to the sides of mountains are correct.

[@Laocoon283]

I watched the Monty python movie that referenced holy hand grenade but I don't get the joke. I tried looking it up but didn't find anything. What were they referencing when they said that??

[@alanpennie8013]

Inferentially, because A - on - The - Orontes is a famous early Christian centre it ought to have famous relics. But as far as I'm aware there aren't any so they invented this anachronistic hand grenade.

[@alanpennie8013]

Actually Antioch did have a famous relic. This was The Holy Lance, which was captured and used as a rallying point by The First Crusade.

[@alanpennie8013]

Perhaps The Hand Grenade is a modernized variant of The Lance.

[@xmaniac99]

Laodikeaia is actually Russia’s only naval base in the Mediterranean xd

[@thelastshallbefirst6531]

It once was a port city before becoming the capital of the Syrian/Seleucid empire.

[@nuggetoftruth-ericking7489]

This was interesting.

[@fizzulf8677]

The unexplained population decline in Antioch maybe related to the people of Yaseen story.

[@rembrandt972ify]

How did the OP know which Antioch the Holy Hand Grenade came from?

[@Laocoon283]

I don't get the joke. What does holy hand grenade mean?

[@rembrandt972ify]

@@Laocoon283 It means Thou shalt count to 3. Thou shalt not count to 4, nor shalt Thou count to 2 unless it is immediately followed by 3.

[@Laocoon283]

@@rembrandt972ify But why a hand grenade? Just cause its absurd?

[@rembrandt972ify]

@@Laocoon283 In 1975 a British comedy troupe called Monty Python released a movie, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." In one scene, King Arthur and his stalwart companions flee a massacre inflicted upon them by a bunny. The only way they can defeat this bunny is to summon a clergyman to deliver a holy relic, the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. The scene and the movie are considered culturally significant of the 1970s. So yeah, because it is absurd. Since you appear to have never seen the movie, you might want to watch it. I saw it in the theaters and laughed quite a lot.

[@rembrandt972ify]

@@Laocoon283 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpjNZKGQjNmCnKM

[@lindapolle1665]

You will do well to tell us the history of the cities mentioned in the Bible. 😚

[@MichaelGrylsk-sd5ow]

just read it dont think of the layout or. getting the places things right.

[@redcapetimetraveler7688]

1:07 look at this map...imagine this state still in existance from Ankara to Islamabad, from Merv to Jerusalem..one government !! something like 400 million inhabitants , the oil ressources of Azerbaidjan , Iraq, Iran and Koweit...such power novadays should be at the table of the giants and not on their plates !!!

[@redcapetimetraveler7688]

Seleukids on the block for ever !!

[@josephmasten7588]

You can thank Muhammad

[@abdullahchhab2325]

Antioch is Syrian

[@thelastshallbefirst6531]

It also can be said it was Egyptian ever before Syrian. Meroe on the Orontes. But nevertheless it is now Turkish.

[@asmrnaturecat984]

@@thelastshallbefirst6531 region wise its part of what consider as syria Syrian occupied turkey

[@gusgone4527]

The term Palestine was not coined until the age of Rome. There has never been such a kingdom or state of that name. Try Israel, Judea and Samaria.

[@ektorpolykandriotis635]

it is not "conquer Macedon and Greece" but "...Macedon and THE REST of Greece"

[@GeorgiosLeo]

Macedonians and Greeks wtf?Do you consider ur self a true historian after saying that?

[@papageitaucher618]

here we go again

[@GeorgiosLeo]

@@papageitaucher618 relax princess when someone spread lies a real man needs to raise his voice and speak the truth

[@papageitaucher618]

@@GeorgiosLeo greece je srbskja? Or was it the other way around goddamnit

[@rebirth5362]

I think he just meant Greeks from outside of Macedon by Greeks.

[@tomytoma6287]

Greeks in ancient times vs modern day wannabe greeks,Greeks in ancient times, ..I killed 100 persians alone at marathon, Greeks in 2022 ,Macedonians and greeks wtf do you consider yoursel a true historian?? hahaha

[@MichaelGrylsk-sd5ow]

just read it dont think of the layout or. getting the places things right.