Any Better? Tesla M3P 2024 Round 2: Big Brake Kit // Nürburgring

[@Francesco93488]

This car is an incredible bargain for 99% of people that want a fun car for everyday use and that live thousands of km away from the Nurburgring

[@stoneeh]

Thank you Audi for providing the sound 😄

[@EasternUNO]

haha yeah :D the only advantage of EV is that you can hear the nearby cars :D

[@jdeejaxGmbH]

for real..a blessing

[@hyosang82]

Was it a RS6 with V10 engine?

[@microfx]

@@EasternUNOI noticed that as well! haha I love it. Misha should add more mics to his setup

[@broodro0ster]

@@hyosang82 TT RS with a 5 in line.

[@Gochsener]

absolutely fine. Name a better car under 60k (overall). Quick driving, short stints, no issue at all. Unexperienced drivers also won't drive that fast, so I'm fine with it.

[@LordDarkwater]

And at the same time its great for daily driving, has plenty of room, comfortable, tons of features, very safe and great for both short and long distance travels. Love that car. The glove compartment sucks though. I've never seen worse and it doesnt make any sense. There soooo much room in the car but I cant even put my fist in that thing - which sucks double because the damn USB stick is in there. Getting it out is difficult. Getting it back in is nigh impossible.

[@LeonardoG1981]

Audi TTS stage 1.

[@veialyyad4816]

The same spec is 27K$ here for a new one so yeah

[@IReahpZz]

@@LeonardoG1981used golf r that wouldn’t stand a chance in the straights or corners ? Pass 😂

[@ihavewaited90daystochangem51]

Better car under 60k? Easy, 30 Volvo 740 turbo wagons over this fagbus lmao.

[@Sergeant_Cartmann]

Just like you said, the performance badge is here just for traffic light runs, when you can't even do a full lap without having a BCM light on don't call it performance 😅 but yeah big brake kits made it far better 👌🏼

[@paulsimpson8990]

@@Sergeant_Cartmann you could drive this thing flat chat on the best roads in the world and never over heat it. The Nurburgring is not the road.

[@stefanpetrov8]

@@paulsimpson8990 tf are you saying the brakes will still fail, you can't drive flat chat without stopping for corners lol

[@paulsimpson8990]

@@stefanpetrov8 you haven’t done track work

[@VxO4fame]

@@paulsimpson8990 have u ever even sat in a tesla? Thats so much bullshit. Even on a country road you can get the car up to 59 C . You just need to push the pedal down quite often. No baby driving. Same shit if you push it on the highway/autobahn. Oh you are this kid with the car from his parents in norway. Nvm Obviously if u stick to max 120 kmh and push the pedal for a few seconds every time, it wont overheat .... There are so many tesla owners on forums and youtube that have tracked their car. And they know this problem . But somehow you don't .... And yes not only on track. You can reproduce this problem within 10 minutes of spirited driving on a country road going up to 200 kmh. Heck. Even less if you start from a supercharger. Then your battery is already at 50 C

[@paulsimpson8990]

@@VxO4fame I live in a country where you go to jail for doing 200…..just buy a Hyundai then! I don’t need one, I’ll stick with the Tesla

[@jasonfranciosa]

Tesla needs a "Track Pack" like they have for the Model S for those who want to Track the 3 Performance.

[@Highlander1432]

I agree. I don't understand why they haven't implemented this yet

[@2906rick]

Ioniq 5N is much better at temperature management!! 👌

[@sub7up.]

800v..

[@yusufcanaktas6929]

With half the current, four times less heat

[@Deadsphere]

@@yusufcanaktas6929 Still performs better than Elon's wet dream ever could.

[@DxCBuG]

Yeah, the performance should be upgraded to 800v or better yet all model 3's

[@carterpoopiefart110]

To be fair, Hyundai actually TRIED to develop the I5N lol

[@Silldro]

I think the water radiator in the front is not big enough because battery inlet temperature is increasing. Also the cooling of the battery is not the best as the hottest cell is 16 degres hotter than the battery inlet temperature. Cooling is not sufficient with the performance model on track even with no regen

[@taipoxin]

Agreed. And I think if they sold a higher priced more hardcore version they could sell them easily. Better cooling, bigger brakes, 800v, even more bolstered seats, maybe a bit lighter and some other bits or optional add ons (like a bigger wing for example) and they'd have a real winner.

[@BlazeFirereign]

It's a consequence of sticking with a 400V platform and the same thermal management as the standard car. But a beefier cooling setup would not only take up more space and add cost and weight, it would also have a significant aero impact, reducing efficiency and making it worse as a daily. We can see the impact of that cooling if we look at the weight and efficiency of the 5N. It's a great track car, but that means more compromise on its daily usability. That's not a problem for some people, but it is for others. The 3P is a great daily driver. We'd all love to see it have better track endurance, but the cooling is absolutely fine for spirited road driving in the vast majority of cases - and that's the main priority for most buyers. I'd love to see a track pack or a hardcore track variant, but I doubt it'll happen - it would be very low volume, and Tesla tries to avoid having niche sellers, and they'd completely cripple the 3P's sales if the track improvements were the default (raising the price and making it worse as a daily).

[@taipoxin]

@@BlazeFirereign "but it is for others" is ironic because people don't buy the Performance model if they're looking for efficiency / range. If you want a good daily that also has plenty of power, the dual motor 3 is more than capable (and I own one myself). Even that aside, If they innovate with the battery and add lightness elsewhere (as I mentioned already) - the decrease in efficiency would be minimal. If they continue to improve 4680 cells, that will already make up for losses and solid states cells aren't far off either. And I don't understand your point that a higher priced 3P would cripple base 3P sales. What is your logic here? If it cripples 3P sales, then it's the better selling... and easily higher margin car. The industry as a whole already offers more niche but costlier versions successfully. Tesla could easily do the same with a streamlined production line where the changes are not difficult to implement on the line.

[@BlazeFirereign]

@@taipoxin No, they don't buy it because it's *efficient* - but they buy it because it's a great daily that's a lot of fun to thread down a country road, without significant compromise on daily usability. It's *not* targeting the weekend track car audience. And that's fine. Speaking from experience - yes, the Long Range is more than fast enough, but it feels completely different to the Performance in the Highland generation because of the suspension and chassis changes. The Highland P is a completely different beast when it comes to having fun around the bends. And you've misread or misinterpreted what I said about a track-focused P. If other track improvements were *the default,* it would bump up the price and make the car worse to drive as a daily - and yes, that would cripple sales. If it were *an option,* or a higher spec, it needs to sell in enough volume for Tesla to care. You suggest that changes would be easy to implement. Yes, they could easily make something like a carbon brake kit available. Better *cooling?* That's a very different proposition, because the car's entire cooling (and heating) circuit is based around the heat pump. It's not just a case of sticking an extra radiator in the frunk space, a lot of kit would need to be swapped out. Tesla aren't going to design, manufacture, and stock those parts if they're not putting them in many cars.

[@taipoxin]

@@BlazeFirereign I never suggested that track improvements should be the default, so I guess that's why I don't follow. All I suggested was a more hardcore version, which would have a further upgraded suspension that the regular P Does Not (meaning it is different), along with the other stuff I mentioned. The Model S is not high volume and the Plaid even less so, and the track pack even further less so. But they still sell it. The model 3 sells several orders of magnitude more than the S so to me, it would be logical... based on volume... for them to care to give the 3 such a treatment. That is where the more niche product should be sold, if anything - as I believe it would easily outsell the more niche offerings of with the S.

[@chrisalexandersb1748]

I have a 2019 3 Performance. If you want a track toy, get the Ioniq 5. If you want a better daily driver thats cheaper, has longer range and miles better infotainment, get the Tesla. That was also the conclusion to auto journalists in Norway testing the two cars. My nearest track is 600km away, so I got a Tesla and a Superduke instead of an Ioniq. Ioniq is fun, but not more fun than that combo, for me atleast. 😉 I’ve driven that Tesla HARD for 130000km, I have never overheated on the street. Not even close. The Ioniq is very, VERY impressive. I just have other priorites :)

[@outofmatrix941]

I even drive my Model 3 Performance on Nordschleife and it's totally fine for a few fun laps (sub 9min BTG). Completely stock , track mode recuperation 45% (breaks and battery don't overheat then)

[@chrisalexandersb1748]

@@outofmatrix941 Thats the thing, not everyone is Mischa going flat out.

[@josefinkjellsson7051]

You can’t drive M3P like a ICE car, you have to combine breaks and regen to make it work. Track mode and at least 35% regen. Misha don’t understand the engineering built into the M3P platform, simple as that 🤷🏻

[@gakiddo]

But gas cars are still cheaper for everyday use and more fun to drive. Starting with maintenance, ending with the nerves when you look at the battery charge and think, will it be enough to get home without turning off the AC. You are fans of pseudo ecology :D

[@chrisalexandersb1748]

@@gakiddo my parents Model 3 Performance with 230000km have saved them €47000 in fuel by now, I think both them and I will be fine……….. and yes, petrol is THAT expencive in Norway, and FULLY charging my Tesla costs under €2. To put it in perspective, a single tank on my Superduke costs way, way more than thousands of kilometers in my Tesla. Now tell me again how a gas car is the smart choice. I can honestly say I have never, ever been worried about range. A single charge stop to drive from the westcoast to the eastcoast of Norway. My wifes new Model 3 LR does it without stopping.

[@ramalhoeanes]

99% of the keyboard warriors here trashing the Tesla never went, and never will go, to the Nürburgring. If they did, and tried to drive at a pace remotely close even to Misha’s “fast, but not full send pace”, they would crash after a couple of corners. People are completely missing the point, and the comparisons with the Ioniq 5N are just ridiculous: the Ioniq 5N is not only much expensive (and heavier) than the M3P- it was also built exactly to be a track cool, developed in the Nürburgring, etc.. The M3P was not. Despite that, it has superb handling, and only the original brakes and cooling limit its capability to cope with such a demanding track as the Nürburgring - and that’s normal, because contrary to the Ioniq 5N, IT WAS NOT BUILT FOR THAT. The M3P is PERFECT for what it was built for: an all-rounder with great performance, great handling, perfectly capable of dealing with a twisty road and mild track use, all this while looking great (which is clearly not the case of the Ioniq 5N, which IMO is horrendous) and being a very comfortable and capable family car. Perhaps you should only think of a brake upgrade if you are going to push much more than the average user - for example, if you do track days and want to do more than 2 or 3 laps of your local track (which is, for sure, much smaller and less demanding than the Nürburgring). The Ioniq 5N might be a great engineering achievement, most capable electric car for track use, etc., but IMO, it’s a product that makes much less sense than the M3P. I wouldn’t certainly pay € 20k more than what I paid for my M3P to have a Ioniq 5N (also because IMO the car is very, very ugly). If someone is buying a “track tool”, and particularly one for the Nürburgring, I honestly can’t understand why they will spend that amount of money on a Ioniq 5N, instead of buying a 2nd hand proper sports car with combustion engine. The list of “more capable machines than a Ioniq 5N” within that price range (2nd hand) is almost endless.

[@pichetasayaporn7852]

great summary 🎉. both car are good depending on what you are looking for. That is all.

[@Nuntingdoli]

Conversely, the same is true. 5n is similar in size to testla y. I'm not interested in small cars. Everyone compares small cars and SUVs

[@NavarroOne]

Well said. I haven’t taken my M3P on track yet and I can drive pretty hard having had a track car and a fair bit of fun with formula cars so I fear the brakes will give out even on lap one of my local 15 turn 5.5 km F1 track. I’ve lost brakes three times there before and that’s something I don’t want to try again, especially not with my new M3P so I am mildly considering an upgrade to safeguard I can do 1-2 hot laps but I want as little intervention as possible and I may only track it once or like once every year so I’m not spending usd 5-10k on a massive BBK ref my separate note on this video

[@IoniqIonityIonna]

Nah, this is an excuse. If you only care daily drive, just buy Ioniq5 or MY. Why buy performance and N? The point is, Tesla Y can't even track and sedans can't track 2 laps. 5N is also good for daily : 300 miles if eco mode, V2L, fast charge, large interior.

[@dominolehmann8227]

​@@IoniqIonityIonnasorry but a MY is just nonsense on a track regardless if it can do a lap or not

[@betronix2962]

13:26 Misha was not allowed to say anything there😂😂

[@iaintdonknow]

The owner was a little bit too excited

[@Svj63dreamcar]

the car has no emotions at al haha, they were talking at 200 kmh like in a living room. No engagement and passion in a electric car...

[@mattg5303]

Drive one yourself on edge and its fun. Ever driven a golf buggy fast? ​@@Svj63dreamcar

[@Zzzleeponem]

@@Svj63dreamcargrrrr 😭💀💀

[@TestarossaF110]

@@Svj63dreamcarbecause like f1 also shows, emotion isn’t in speed it’s in handling an unwieldy car or pursuing the perfect lap, something which sadly this car has perfected without any ice noise. you can appreciate this while still liking the actual “race” cars. anyone will take a porsche over this, but this car being able to be a daily anywhere anytime is cool too.

[@microfx]

that Audi TTRS ... wow ... is there a video with this car somewhere?

[@Richie-C]

Disappointed to see it cannot last the lap, drove one recently, surprised by how good the handling was

[@chrisalexandersb1748]

You will never ever overheat on the street. I was afraid of this when I got the older 3P in 2019, but after 5 years and 140000km it has never overheated once. My nearest track is 600km away so its never been an issue for me :/ That being said, if you want a track EV, get the Ioniq.

[@Nuntingdoli]

@@chrisalexandersb1748 base ioniq 5 can do it. and this is suv

[@Sccerup2]

@@chrisalexandersb1748nah get an s plaid

[@teslanaires4952]

finally! been waiting for this one forever

[@M06H1M1]

Have a look into the Enhauto S3XY controller knob you will be able to by pass the heating limits on track and much more

[@dwoodinnyc]

Lol! That TT made that tesla look like it was going backwards!

[@apekatt2007]

That TT is a beast, with a beast driver, so no wonder! Modded to hell

[@asifnoaman8978]

​@@apekatt2007look whose the expert 😂

[@microfx]

@@apekatt2007do you have more info?

[@Francisco-j1e]

I love all the info the car is giving and all in metric as it should!!!

[@romansenger2322]

Don't forget this is also the best-case scenario. He charged the car and let it sit at the Apex, so it cooled down a bit. Most people will arrive at the Ring, supercharge the car, and want to drive immediately. The battery will still be over 50°C, thus reaching the thermal limit even faster. And after one round, although you have enough range to complete at least two more laps, the power is dropping with SoC. Therefore, you want to charge again, and the superchargers are about 3 km away from the entrance to the Nürburgring. (You will eventually charge as high as possible to have maximum power, but the last 10% take like 20 minutes, so you probably skip it). I've done this, it's fun as a tourist driver. But let's be honest, the whole setup doesn't suit anyone who is really inclined to have a lot of track time. Too cumbersome. I like my M3P as a daily and knowing I can do occasional tourist drives at Nürburgring or Hockenheim is fine. But I am not taking it too seriously as a track car.

[@betronix2962]

The car actually behaves decent. But is it as fun as the Hyundai 5n?

[@nielsdebakker3283]

with brake mod, driver accelerator mod and a few yellow flags at the straights almost 3 degrees from thermal battery throttle. Stil not that decent.

[@mediocreman2]

Good question. And will the Hyundai still be running in 5 years? Maybe not.

[@joby602]

@@mediocreman2 Got some evidence for that, or just a tesla fanboy?

[@andrewrossnagel9433]

​@@joby602can you name a single hyundai that's reliable?

[@derbigpr500]

@@andrewrossnagel9433 Yes, every one. Can you name a Tesla that's not built like they had a group of kindergarteners putting it together?

[@looneyyang1326]

Ioniq 5 N. If you know, you know.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

i dont understand why people compare that, 3 classes higher tier from a price point car, made for track, with a model 3 which is 30k cheaper, not made for the track as tesla said, and then cheer for oneself thinking of owning something whilke in reality it is a BS comparison.

[@rotorblade9508]

it definitely needs a better battery cooling system, I wouln't let the temp to go higher, there can be a fire risk factor not only battery degradation. Ioniq 5n seems to have larger front intake for cooling

[@nielsdebakker3283]

Hyundai showing tesla how to really build a performance model. (traffic light queen, that ia a new one ofr me. Already knew the mall crawler.)

[@martinsmolka]

Když ona Tesla není "supersport" jako I5N ;-). Je to úsporné rodinné autíčko, které mimoděk umí natrhnout hromadu sporťáků na okruhu...

[@oleg1981]

5N is 40% more expensive….

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

The Ioniq 5N costs a lot more. If Tesla made this car costs 10-15K more they could fix the brakes and maybe the battery. Both are great cars. Ioniq 5N is good for the track. Model 3 is good for the street

[@IoniqIonityIonna]

Tesla can't fix.. Even their super expensive S plaid can't track 2 laps. Also Tesla can't even track with CUV... Not to mention V2L and fast charge...

[@otdk]

@@IoniqIonityIonna True

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

In america it costs 55K. Ioniq 5N costs 10K+ more. M3 Xdrive costs 30K+. A m340i xdrive costs 5K+ and will also overheat the brakes. This competes price wise with the S4, m340i, tlx type S, etc. For that price i cant complian about the brakes and overhetaing issue because all comparable cars of price will do the same. Now I do wish Tesla would offer an Performance+ version. Mainly a better battery because brakes/pads are an easy upgrade

[@ProXcaliber]

They will likely offer a “Track Pack” in the future, similar to how they did with the older model 3 performance and model s plaid.

[@aleksisoukkala]

@@ProXcaliber just saying that current model 3 truck pack tesla offeres fits for the new one too because it is exactly same brakes than the old one.

[@mattg5303]

Thankfully being in AUS I dont have to worry about lasting a lap at Nurburg 😅

[@supermoon7742]

LOL

[@GDM22]

Also an Ioniq 5N costs $30k or 30% more.

[@badboymorales]

Rímac on NURBURGRINGGGGGG part 2

[@Bro-food]

The advantage of the 800v system is that the thinner cables generate less heat in the wiring. Some people say that the 5N can go around the Nürburgring more than twice because it is only an 800v system. Then why can't other 800v system electric cars go around the Nürburgring more than twice? The 5N uses the best battery cells, and the battery pack design that matches it, the optimal cooling system, the only motor that cools the inside of the motor, and the highly efficient dual-stage inverter system are all completely different systems from other electric cars. If you look at only the core components, they are much more expensive, but the car is cheaper in comparison. If Porsche, Tesla, and Lotus used these parts, would they be able to make it at this price? And the 5N has been out for over a year. A more advanced follow-up Ioniq series is also being prepared, and a more hardcore Genesis Magma series is also scheduled to be released. What is needed? It's not just because it is an 800v system, but because of the difference in technology. Tesla fanboys, please....

[@danharold3087]

In short battery heating is primarily due to the internal cell resistance independent of pack voltage.

[@Bro-food]

@@danharold3087 Cylindrical cells have high internal resistance and naturally generate more heat. Also, because of this, their lifespan is shorter than that of batteries used by Hyundai and Kia. Also, battery cooling design is important, but Tesla's cylindrical batteries and the limitations of the old platform also reduce battery cooling performance, and there are significant limitations in making high-performance vehicles.

[@ProXcaliber]

Keep in mind, the Model 3 Performance sold in Europe is different from the one sold in the states. The one sold in the states has a bit more horsepower, and it also uses a different battery pack (I believe Panasonic) that can output more power. This small difference could make a big change to how it would perform on this track.

[@Bro-food]

@@ProXcaliber haha. No.. Panasonic and LG batteries have slightly different characteristics. Panasonic is NCA, LG is NCMA. NCA has slightly higher output but has a higher battery deterioration rate. NCMA has slightly lower output but has a longer lifespan. And both of them are not suitable for running on the track, and the output decreases due to heat generation. Keep that in mind.

[@ProXcaliber]

@@Bro-food If we are talking about tracking a car, I don't think deterioration rate matters all that much. I was more referring to the power output of the battery, which could make a difference on the track.

[@HeyFixThis]

I don’t get why he’s talking about a ‘button’ to override the limit-why not just add more air cooling to the motors and battery? Teslas don’t have air vents due to range and aerodynamic concerns, but for a performance model, an electronic air duct that opens during overheating, along with some radiators, isn’t exactly a luxury.

[@fecorekasi]

You are wrong, all Teslas have radiator, it is under the front trunk tilted. It is just not enough for track use. I guess Tesla didn't want to change it to much for the performance version because of manufacturing cost..

[@ProXcaliber]

All Tesla have front radiators just under the front trunk. They are however at an angle and usually only meant for daily driving. I do believe, however, that at some point they will be releasing a "track pack" similar to how they did with the older model 3 performance and the model s plaid.

[@HeyFixThis]

@@ProXcaliber that why I said “ why not add more cooling” more cooling = bigger radiators and more direct airflows for more cooling.

[@HeyFixThis]

@@fecorekasi small radiators. That’s why i said more radiators. Better cooling.

[@有术有道]

@@fecorekasifront trunk remove add good size radiator is fix。i never use front front trunk😂😂😂

[@lukyluke993]

The battery temperature is not guessed but measured to keep it safe. Real brake temperature would be nice to know with the newer brakes.

[@MichaelPanzer]

I think everybody expected overheating even with the best brakes. It's the 400v system which has to handle way too many amps and a lack of cooling system. Hyundai, Lucid and Porsche are the only ones that have delivered! Tesla just hasn't... Fine for the street, mostly useless on the track in terms of endurance.

[@lucamuller6729]

400v or 800v does very little on a Cell or Module Level. Its mostly the cooling system thats undersized. Its probably mostly just Teslas decision to leave the thermosystem a bit to small, make it common across all models (saves cost) and then change the sw a bit. This results in a very efficient car, which for 99% of people far outweights its performance on a race track, for a couple of fast corners its enough. Its a „general public“ car, not one for enthusiasts..

[@Evans_Man]

@@lucamuller6729 THIS!

[@Gr1mPenguin]

@@lucamuller6729 Ye but it gets tiresome, especially when you realize Tesla is behind only hypercars manufacturers when it comes to profit margins. Remove every stalk, use a camera for rain sensor, remove everything, develop only whatever gives instant gratification, claim impressive mileage yet you're using wheel covers and tyres without grip, etc etc. Tesla is far more than a car brand and in that they really are something else, truly an unique and revolutionary brand, but they're out of touch for some things.

[@Samosayummyyay]

Porsche did not deliver. Taycan STILL overheats. It can not do 1 full lap.

[@sub7up.]

They did 7.07 tho... what you talking about?

[@350kph]

Beautiful lines and quiet is relaxing

[@CalvinFuss-z8u]

That TT was flying

[@SkynetDrone12]

I love the stats on the screen for us nerds! The battery really does maintain its temp for a long time

[@RobbertsTravelGuides]

Padam is such a humble man! Seems like the IONIC is 1000% more enjoyable than the tesla

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

it costs almost double the tesla and as tesla said this car is not for the track and as hyundai said tthe ionic is. so it really is just wrong, just like comparing this cars is useless because the price range is 3 categories higher in the ionic.

[@hakonvilvang]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl In what part of the would is it almost twice the price?😅 the M3P is around €50k and the Ionic 5n is around €70k here in Norway

[@fearlessbryan]

Why would the I5N be more enjoyable besides longer track runs? It’s a lot heavier and also slower. The fake sounds wouldn’t improve the experience for me.

[@James-cq9dp]

the plaid is the same price as the ionic.. if im going to spend that kind of money im going to get the plaid which is way way way quicker than the ionic. also the plaid can beat the ionic on the track any day

[@hakonvilvang]

@@James-cq9dp The Plaid is literally twice the price. €70k for ionic and €135k for the Plaid.

[@danielshinerock1526]

Great driving Misha! The handling on the car is nothing to right home about! Not that is was built to be a track race car!

[@m.merchant6255]

Mario's "yahoo" drif sound ha ha love it

[@JimBoomer]

Great to see someone using the S3XY Commander for something useful. I see you watching "Battery Temp" (measured, not guessed) and "Max Discharge" But you guys forgot to watch "Voltage Mid" (Volts Per cell). If you monitor that as well, you will even better realize why the car is reducing power while the battery temp increases and your SOC decreases. Voltage sag is a real culprit even before your battery reaches 60C. Would have been cool to watch but you didn't have it selected. 800v architecture would be sick non the less.

[@navaho5430]

At least you didn't get banned for noise, still a rocket ship cheers.

[@lifeoffreedomdk]

Being a Tesla owner for 7 years I agree - the Ioniq 5 has noticably better cooling system and more consistent temperature management! Tesla needs to improve. I think it is quite remarkable that a south korean car does it so well. Really impressive.

[@KyleHubb]

It will cost money that musk doesn’t want to spend.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@KyleHubb No. Its waiting on the availability of the cheaper tabless 4680 battery supply. Designed to be the vest battery for performance. And the Octovalve is 10 years ahead of Hyundai heating/cooling systems. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKa2Y36IgZqMraM

[@katzicael]

I like this guy, he's Really fun!

[@bradkrit]

I really like the throttle "tach"

[@ktavee02]

Thank you for an awesome VDO. It seem like power limit is there because of stator temp 11:56, power restore as stator temp come down where batt temp didn't change much. That got me thinking if A/C turn to max heating with recirculate off that might pull out some heat from coolant loop? That would be interesting to see.

[@bbokdoong]

Hyundai probably invested hundreds of millions of dollars to improve Ioniq 5N's thermal management system. Yet, there are people in this channel thinking they can just modify their M3P and overtake 5N.😂😂

[@kwonas83]

why? 99% will still by Tesla

[@waynerussell6401]

No, that's their problem The heating/cooling system is extremely complicated and cobbled together from ICE parts. The Tesla Octovalve is engineering genius. Hyundai uses three separate heating cooling systems that takes up a lot of space and weight and maintenance horrors. "This system is a little bit on the ancient side. It feels a little bit experimental. Its huge. It takes up a lot of space. There are a lot of hoses..." The Car Care Nut engineering review. Tesla developed the tabless 4680 cell to be the best at heat dissipation. Once it reaches sufficient capacity it will go into all performance models, and reduce costs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKa2Y36IgZqMraM

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

@@waynerussell6401did you saw the cooling system of a Porsche Taycan? It looks like spaghetti

[@BlazeFirereign]

Most M3P owners are happily enjoying their cars on the road, while 5N owners and fanboys feel the need to jump into the comments sections on any M3P video and brag about how their car is superior. Insecurity on full display. It's a shame, because the 5N is a brilliant car, but the crowd of rabid 5N fanboys make Tesla fanboys look like a mature and reasonable bunch. And that's quite an achievement.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

@@BlazeFirereign I mean I love the model 3 performance and it’s a perfect Allrounder car. The ionic 5 is just made for the track and I think not that well as a Allrounder.

[@Skeetskeet333]

Those rims are insanely nice

[@safakhan3088]

Nothing special.

[@Skeetskeet333]

@@safakhan3088 compared to all the ones on Audi, BMW, etc, these are a breath of fresh air

[@adjust.clinic]

I’m glad there are videos like this to provoke Tesla to do better.

[@LearningFast]

Model 3 Performance definitely isn’t a road course car. It definitely does well at the Dragstrip though. The US version of this car goes all the way up to 462 KW for Max Discharge Value.

[@davidz1264]

Yeah. The US version has the Panasonic battery, the europe version the LG battery. A bit disappointing..

[@davidz1264]

The Panasonic has more power output. The LG version is known for less power, but more durability (less degradation)…

[@nyarkofelix7922]

😂😂😂

[@VxO4fame]

15:20 Word! This! As an Tesla model 3 performance owner.

[@dangrass]

would be interesting to see what would happen with some aftermarket cooling.

[@sub7up.]

@@dangrass Can't win anyway.. Best case scenario it can manage to do one lap in a row... and then what? 35min charging and 25min cooldown before next try..

[@chewthegum]

As I understand it, you cannot modify the cooling with the new Model 3, because it uses software modeling to determine the temperature of the battery/motor, not physical sensors

[@sub7up.]

@@chewthegum You can, there is always a way for a custom cooling "kit" but it will set you ack more than it will be worth..

[@chewthegum]

@@sub7up. The last thing I heard from Mountain Pass Performance is that the battery temperature in the new Model 3 is based on software modeling, so cooling modifications have no effect. You can email them, maybe things have changed.. but I don't think so.

[@romansenger2322]

​@@chewthegumit was like this in the old one, too. The cooling kit will help you, though, for expanding the window of performance after supercharging and prolonging battery life in general.

[@runany1]

I would like to know which brake kit it has. They offer front and rear and carbon and steel in many sizes.

[@Doctorbasss]

Look like the hard limit was more the 80c of the motor stators...

[@VxO4fame]

Yeah u are onto something. You can see at around 80-95 C is the limit of the rear stator. After that the max discharge drops down.

[@doriadan76]

Bel video,bella analisi,aspettiamo un track pack ufficiale Tesla gomme freni e 8 min via softwer per concedere alla batteria un giro di fuoco.... 👏👏👏👏😉

[@MichelLopez]

It’s so important when we can see the car temperature of the car and and the cooling session. Can you do that with the other cars @misha ?

[@sub7up.]

@@MichelLopez Pretty much 100% of cars have some temp gauges...

[@FurkanEmirPolat]

+1

[@niceboy60]

The Long Range or the Standard Range might Faster, Duo to having less power, however is less likely to Overheat and able to sustain it for longer however the top speed on this 2x

[@Andrii.Berozkin]

Despite me not liking electric vacuum cleaners, I must admit this thing accelerates surprisingly fast

[@M43S7RO]

What app is used for temp & power monitoring that is overlayed at bottom right?

[@mribi]

I’d love to know too

[@ZachVdv04]

That Audi 🥹🥹😍😍

[@reneeceldesigns3965]

@tesla get it done! Increase the software limit on the battery temperature when in track mode. Also need to improve the breaks on the performance, and cooling a little for both the stators and battery.

[@xxquackixx178]

Could a water spray system for the radiator be a solution to delay the heat soak? Like the ones on the intercooler of older imprezas. It seems that not all the heat from the cooling loop can be extracted by the stock radiator, when looking at the temperature delta between the inlet of the components and an outside temperature of probably 25C.

[@Blasterxp]

Great job!

[@zoltank8044]

Interesting that the rotors were mounted opposite to manufacturers recommended rotation direction for the slots.

[@patryko3269]

Fun fact: Owner of this car almost crashed after first lap with Misha. Didn't know track, went to hard, very lucky

[@MaxMaxis-k4t]

One test of the 3 Performance on the Autobahn got overheating before reaching max speed, @OutofSpecReviews known for his 60 min+ reviews found the LG battery euro spec version to by quite inferior to the US version (tesla or panasonic batteries?) Tesla's idea of performance seems to be more about short burst freeway entrance speed rather than laps.

[@jasonmilo1136]

The US spec cars have Panasonic batteries built in Nevada.

[@Nuntingdoli]

LG has the most patents of NCM, but cylindrical batteries are not LG's main product. It will get better.

[@Wüstenfuchs-x2b]

LG batteries are inferior to Panasonic? Then test it at the Nuremberg circuit with a Tesla equipped with Panasonic batteries. 😂😂

[@MaxMaxis-k4t]

@@Wüstenfuchs-x2b I didn't know the origin of the Nuremberg vst, just assumed the same as the autobahn test.

[@NavarroOne]

I’ve been waiting for this… thank you Wondering just how much brake upgrade is required. I understand BBKs can upgrade front rotors from 355mm to 380mm or 400mm and with thickness going from 32mm to 36mm and calipers with 6 or 8 pots and upgraded braided brake lines and special brake pads. I am curious what would suffice for a hot lap on Nurnburgring or 1-2 hot laps around my local racetrack Sepang which is 5.5 km with 15 turns. How much further would better brak pass go; could I get away with just upgrading the front brakes. Would staying at 355mm suffice or should I go to 380mm. Surely 6-pot would do the trick and not necessary to go to 8 pot. So many questions…

[@patpong5873]

Misha which one would you pick both great cars Tesla M3 Performance or Ioniq 5N ?

[@Charlie_Waffles]

pretty cool that you can do everything on your license plate in Czech Republic 😂 i would buy that model if i had the money.. i dont need sound or a track car.. and i‘m driving a basic 2.0 Diesel atm 🤣🤣

[@rahansk8200]

There is a price difference of 21,000 euros between the Ioniq 5n and this Tesla. For 21,000 euros, I imagine that Tesla could greatly improve the car. But I imagine they want to keep the price contained. The majority of performance Teslas will never see a circuit, but in the mountains, you can quickly see the brakes reach their limits.

[@DxCBuG]

@@rahansk8200 to be honest.. I like where Tesla put their model, works as a performance daily. Alle the other brands and their sports label also constantly need cooler and brake upgrades and aren't track ready as well eben though they advertise it compared to Tesla

[@romansenger2322]

Agree. The $20k difference will sell thousands more cars. Tesla couldn't care less about the Hyundai. I am doing a few laps here and there on tourist drives. I would rather spend about $6k in upgrades (which I actually did, but in the previous M3P) than go for a car that is worse as a daily driver in every major aspect of an EV.

[@aleksisoukkala]

it woudunt be anything new if model 3 performance woud cost 80000 euros too like they used to in 2019 (mine LR was 67000€). specialy when tesla woud probably need to do less that 20000 euro per car improvements just to get model 3 close to ionic 5n performance.

[@filip000]

This is just so ridiculous. Great job man, I get your enthusiasm....but this just proves that with ALL the mods and ALL the effort, this poor car barely makes one full lap. Great. Good job. Great success.

[@vr6gls]

This exactly what I was thinking. This car is shit. Misha is doing his best to try and be kind about it. If an ICE car were performing this poorly. It would be universally panned. lol

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

@@vr6glswell doesn’t seem like the new Civic Type R is that bashed yet can’t complete one lap without overheating

[@filip000]

​@@alpenfoxvideo7255stock one surely can. Tuned ones are usually lacking cooling

[@M06H1M1]

@@vr6glsperformed poorly? It passed everything in its way very impressive for an EV family saloon, the restriction limits are due to software which can be by passed with other hardware, the brakes upgrade definitely helped.

[@RIVvideos]

all the mods and all the effort lmao, just upgraded brakes

[@rcktmn]

That traffic jam when you’re leaving is crazy!

[@ronin7645]

For $57k, it's GOOD ENOUGH! Probably the best value for performance at that price point in the world.

[@MichaelPanzer]

This poor guy at the end of the video is thinking if so many ways to put lipstick on a performance pig. Nürburgring Button even with possibility of losing warranty A track pack with bigger brakes for a lot of money He's trying so hard to make the car what it just isn't and that's a track capable machine. The Ioniq 5 N just comes out of the box with 2 subsequent full power laps capability with no strings attached.

[@Maarten_vd]

Not a lot of money, as the M3P is already way cheaper (15k) than the 5N.. Take that into consideration. The main (and only) problem is the heat management. Its obveous Tesla build the car on efficiency as its way more efficient than the 5N during normal driving. This is good for most drivers, but bad for people that track their car a lot. This cooling capacity is not easily fixed as an owner. So summarized, model3 is more efficicent and cheaper. The 5N is more track capable as it already has good enough brakes and proper cooling. Make no mistake tough, the 5N is a heavy boy, 400kg heavier than the Model 3. 400kg is insane.

[@MichaelPanzer]

@@Maarten_vd In Germany the difference is around 10k € inbetween those 2 cars. These 10k wouldn't update the M3P to the performance potential of the Ioniq 5 N. And to be honest, the comparison ist also a bit off. The 5 N is a Model Y competitor but there is not Performance version of the Y that is even close to the 5 N so that's why all the comparisons come up. The efficency difference is also part of that if you look at the dimensions of th 5N and the M3P. The M3P is fine, it's just not worth the Performance name IMO. It's more like an S-line in Audi terms then en RS.

[@Maarten_vd]

@@MichaelPanzer Well i just checked the prices in Germany, the 5N costs 74.900 and the M3 costs 58.490, difference is actually 16K. And then you still don't have a comparable options set.. But this was not the point. Yes I agree with your point, i should be compared against the Model Y. Let's see what the facelift of 2024 will bring for the Model Y compared to this 2024 model 5N. I just read about the upcoming 6N, this might be far better as it's lower and has better earo (The 5N is a bit blunt).

[@J00eI]

@@Maarten_vd Exactly - for hard spirited driving stock cooling and brakes are more than fine. Even for track, if it´s not Nürburgring - many people track those in "normal" tracks (2,5-4km of length, not kilometers of straight) here in Finland too, with no problems (it´s always a good idea to change better brake pads and brake fluid for tracking in road cars). Here the price difference between M3P and 5N is ~20k€ (60k€ vs 80k€) - 5N is a fantastic car, handles nice and is capable on track - however it´s efficiency is very poor, summer consumption in 80km/h limited road is easily 80% more than with Model 3 (yes, both driven in same queue, ~150km leg). M3P consumption was 140Wh/km, 5N 250Wh/km.

[@microfx]

@@Maarten_vd man... Misha needs to make a video about "How to easily get money to buy all the cars you want - every money glitch that exists in 5 min!"

[@nickfarrington2390]

Don't agree with PAdam about the Nurburgring button - need better battery cooling instead so repeated full power never gets the battery above 52C. I wonder if that's possible aftermarket.

[@RIVvideos]

yeah if the ioniq can do it, so should tesla

[@Nuntingdoli]

@@RIVvideos That means that Hyundai can do everything Tesla can do. The technical points of the two companies are different. It's not about who is better, but the methods are different.

[@Tiger-pu4oz]

Let’s address 1st thing 1st. In USA, the all new 24 M3P in certain specs qualifies for full $7500 tax credit rebate. Which makes the M3P about $15k appx cheaper than Ionic 5N. With the extra $15k you can easily upgrade to track brake kit/ fluids, Cup 2R tires, tune to exploit batteries, and even get track suspension upgrade. The car is bang for the buck! However, with that said I think Tesla should offer a track pkg from factory as an option that should include active boost for 5 sec of extra hp/tq, cup 2R tires, lighter wheels, bigger brake kit, better battery cooling, more track focused suspension, and better downforce in terms of larger spoilers/splitters etc.

[@vincentvaneijndhoven8791]

Wow.. So babying the car and at the end of the run 200hp less because of overheating?

[@martinsmolka]

Spíš kvůli softwarovému nastavení vydané energie za čas...

[@vigneshie]

Would love to see you do a lap in a Taycan.

[@MJW59]

The N is 800 lb heavier than the Tesla. That is huge. And the Tesla is 15K cheaper. Im sure so many people here lap the Ring on the reguly basis to give a crap about the brakes... Sounds to me like a Tesla is a much better real world car and a Hyundai is a better test car review car.

[@jasonmilo1136]

The Tesla was an easy choice for me...car is amazing as a daily and on spirited drives. WIth upgraded brakes, it would be a great time-attack and autox car.

[@fangxu1848]

If I can afford that much for a track toy why would I buy an electric one that still needs charging and simulates engine noise? Because other than the track 5n is pretty much useless with no fsd and front trunk. I was shocked to know the range of the 5n. Pretty much useless on daily roads.

[@duduoson1306]

The HI5N isn’t bad in the real world though, lots of space for activities 😅

[@romansenger2322]

@fangxu1848, this seems to be the result of fewer compromises. You want a better track EV? Then it will be a worse daily EV. The number of people who accept this and opt for the Hyundai is probably small. But I also think Hyundai did a good marketing job, and many people think they need it. I am curious to know if you lived with both for three months, which one you would eventually choose.

[@GenghisGaming]

This is why I also went with the new M3P, the US version is even better. However for me I got 12.5k in tax credits combined between state and federal living in Colorado. So the price difference is now more like 25k+. And yeah I agree the 5N with its simulated gears and whatnot is cool but like if I wanted to feel like I’m racing through gears I’d just get a good cheaper actual combustion engine gas car.

[@hobizoli]

it needs a bigger capacity cooler to keep the battery temp lower than 50degs

[@danielshinerock1526]

They say this car does the quarter mile in 10.65. Misha it looks fast but does it feel capable of that time?

[@jasonmilo1136]

The US version can with smaller 18" wheels - the person who posted that time is even using all-season tires. I own a US spec one, and I did 7.10 in the 1/8th with a less than ideal SoC and did not pre-heat the battery - bone stock and full weight.

[@danielshinerock1526]

@@jasonmilo1136 Impressive!

[@MyrKnof]

Nah not a button, just a model with 3x the cooling capacity, which will only EVER be used for racing on a track. And then make it 10-20k more.

[@alltheboost5363]

So is there a radiator you can upgrade? that way the battery stays cool. also wouldn't it help the battery if regen was on because the cover charge would help when you got back on the throttle.... Right. Especially if the temps weren't a problem anymore.

[@VxO4fame]

It needs an overall better cooling system. Just a radiator alone wouldnt do much. Also everytime to regen. you put energy back into the battery. You stress the battery more and temps raise faster.

[@johnphillips7894]

Those tires were driven hard for that amount of wear after just 6k miles lol

[@Gerebos]

They just need much better battery cooling...

[@safakhan3088]

'Just'

[@massimostefanoni9054]

what is the brake system update on this car? what tyres?

[@shymeza]

TT RS is the winner here :) electric kaka bullet

[@sh1z1234]

He gave TT the way.

[@microfx]

@@sh1z1234and then was never seen again.

[@sh1z1234]

@@microfx TT just went off the track😂

[@andrew9027]

Would blowing NOS over the coolers improve the temperatures?

[@FredGoe]

I hope the owner will do some upgrades for the cooling system line a bigger Radiator

[@Nuntingdoli]

5n is big hatch, It is similar to Y size. mp3 is small so it goes far and cheap.

[@DD-xx8wh]

yeah 5 N is a great option for track use and only $14K usd more (if you can get one without markup) for those who don't like Tesla

[@martinneuwirther4644]

Ring Button will be cool, and i think Elon will be open for that. You need some friend to tell him 😁😁

[@Apemania69]

Hope to see the nio onvo l60 with 900v system on the track once its avaible in germany :) Tesla need to work on cooling the battery better for trackmode. Such a limiting factor

[@michalmatejov3264]

it has a beautiful sound almost like RS3 😀😀

[@freakattack9616]

😂

[@Workhardforit-2025]

Give it loudy Misha 💯

[@Best_Chuansatien]

Omg how can i get that UI on the lower right display on iphone? ipad? or didicated device? my Highland will arrive in January somebody tell me please

[@psyf0x]

14:15 special moment with testarossa

[@冯继明]

In china, Ioniq 5n and m3p 460hp version are almost the same price , so which one should i chose?

[@tomas_klouda]

I would say, if you need track weapon, get i5N. If you need fast daily capable of occasional track day, get m3p.

[@冯继明]

@@tomas_klouda I think i will buy m3p，but its only 460hp ，much less than us version，its very disappointed😂

[@NoLimitSquad]

European m3p:😫 American m3p: 😎

[@MD-zb9ev]

I'm curious the if the US spec 2024 M3P overheats on the Ring.

[@IoniqIonityIonna]

Sure. S Plaid which only uses Panasonic can't track 2 laps and Hyundai only uses LG and SK (cofy of LG) so it's not different by battery.

[@Mokum591]

Mischa you are modest!❤

[@foxy5855]

last update they added a mode Powertrain endurance

[@stratman9449]

actually..the most "interesting" and "disturbing" thing of this video, was the allmighty traffic jam heading to the Ring......incredible..... Nürburgring will soon be "widened" by 10 meters, so there is always "room" for 2 or 3 cars next to another at all times.....yep. cheers.

[@manuelventura3799]

Hello Misha, this is very random, but I was briefly laying my eyes on the clubsprint regulations of wtac, and I was left under the impression that the cars must have an ICE and your car was electric powered, but I also Saw that the event promoter could open exceptions and make specific restrictions in his exceptions, so I am just wondering if I misread something and the car doesn't need to be ICE or if indeed an exception was opened to showcase the IONIQ 5N

[@takafumi1937]

they now have updated track mode and has endurance mode! wanna give another try? XD

[@madsdgdhg]

Sorry, no "button"... sell it and buy an Ioniq 5 N. Cheers.