AoE2: DE Historical Battles Tier List!

[@OrnLu_AoE]

Sorry guys - I screwed up trying to fix a small mistake and had to re-upload the whole thing. Also, apologies that the ingame audio is louder than the out-of-game audio... I'm still learning how to do this stuff 11. But I still hope you all enjoy it

[@stefanandrejcik571]

Sure no problem

[@jaakkosalminen9143]

That "11" is priceless 11.

[@hatschi9861]

Dos Pilas...managed to defend against the attackers somehow but the game did not progress. The game never ends at that point. That was weird

[@kingcain6472]

short question to Agincourt. You don't have any ressources, how should you be able to get your own tc?

[@JustToaster]

I enjoyed York actually. Me being a casual player and not being able to do many campaigns on Hard difficulty I found it very easy to amass 50,000 gold just collecting 8 relics. Moving forward you base to destroy the next opponent was annoying though so I can understand why you didn't like it. Bukhara is my personal favorite :)

[@mrp4242]

I like York too. I like having to go back and trying to complete different goals, and settle different places, For example, last time I played, I settled Isle of Mann and did the ‘destroy 5 enemies’ goal which included the Irish kingdoms. Always play on hard. Tons of fun! Some of the goals, I’ve had to buy copious amounts of stone to avoid collecting 50.000 gold

[@mattender8323]

Played on Hard and decided to go to as close as possible to all the objectives. It was... AWESOOOOOOOOOOME. I could have won on wonder or Gold long time ago, but I wanted to bring the English to their knees. I mostly left Irish alone, yet I still raided them for money. This battle is worth more than 3 missions combined sometimes. It also plays off of Vinlandsaga. These two missions are in such a stark contrast, it's beautiful. I wouldn't mind one more scenario like that being added later in the future. Last Hauteville mission reminded me of it a bit, even though it's not a ludicrous map.

[@jimland4359]

@@mrp4242 I have a really hard time with that one. Its way too easy to accidently get 50k gold. I kept having to buy stone and such just to not go over.

[@MAKGaming30]

I just saw what he said about York and came straight to the comments section and saw many agree that York is a great scenario/battle, yes it is long but full of content and replayability as you can start in multiple places on this map, personally this is one of the few s tears battles along with Lake poyang as personally these are the only two battles I would return to to play again as there different aspects of difficulty are unique and truly epic

[@chainedsharkmedia2699]

Samr here. My only main complaint is how long it is; depending on which objectives you do. ;__;

[@XtReMz98]

On Kyoto, I did a reverse psychology victory. I went for a relic heist, got them all back to Osaka and won while blue and green were besieging my fortress city.

[@OrnLu_AoE]

Ooh that's a fun idea! I'll have to try that one some time :P

[@DCdabest]

It's hard sometimes to rate the older Age of Conquerors scenarios given how much further scenario design capabilities have progressed since then. Like Tours is pretty simplicitic and then you have things like York which is massive and uses raiding mechanics to gather reasources. And then you have Honflangas which has 2 very different incarnations and both have very unique mechanics in it.

[@steelprophecy5951]

But Vinlandsaga

[@DCdabest]

@@steelprophecy5951 Even Vinlandsaga I feel is rather simplicitic. Once you get past the Sea of Worms mechanic it's basically "Go to this part of the map and build some buildings". It is however very fun but like from a design point of view it is very simple. Which isn't a bad thing or a good thing. It just means that it's like not reliant on complex triggers or variables like some more recently made scenarios and campaigns are.

[@steelprophecy5951]

@@DCdabest which is totally fine. Dos Pilas was overcomplicated mess f.e.

[@DCdabest]

@@steelprophecy5951 It was more just grossly imbalanced lol. Like; on Hard the only way to win is to explout the terribl terrible pathfinding of tbe AI

[@martinhorvath4117]

@@DCdabest what, i do most of the missions (on hard) exploiting the terrible pathfinding and just building castles. i literally couldn't any other way. the infinite unit spam until i wreck their every single military unit creation building is real, and it is fucking awful, obnoxious. I won't look up walkthroughs though, it takes the magic away. And here I thought I was good at RTS cause I could beat AoM hardmode easily :(

[@Rodpile]

Jokes on you Ornlu, I watched the whole thing before you took it down

[@piggysew797]

Same here. Was curious how many views it got between when I started the video and finished it and was bamboozled where it had gone

[@diosn6909]

Me too!

[@justinvanblaricom6550]

I lost the video during the Lepanto summary. Fitting, considering I do not like that scenario.

[@Xastor994]

Same, even wrote a comment and was thoroughly surprised to find I couldn't post it

[@emilyding2496]

@@justinvanblaricom6550 , how dare you

[@KroM234]

I remember as a kid as I was convinced that there was a way to save Nobunaga out of Kyoto, and spent hours trying stuff xD

[@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge]

Agincourt didn't happen in the "early days" of the 100-year war, which was between 1337 and 1453, so it happened in the last third of the war

[@InitiatesJourney]

I love the York Campaign pretty much the only one that I totally disagree with. Oh well to each their own. Thank you for posting it

[@LeonardoDaSquishy]

Could you maybe make a video on the best custom scenario's? Would be cool to bring attention to the best community stuff out there.

[@Soas_Records_Official]

I came on to the comments to make this exact suggestion myself, a custom scenario tier list would be so good!!

[@zokora3656]

Funyn how i asked the exact same thing yesterday in his stream :D tbf tho its ahrd to make a tierlist for it as there are so many. he could go for the most well known ones but personally i would love to see him perhaps shining light onto lesser known campaigns that deserve some love^^

[@arthurxavier3515]

I've never played York (and I think I won't because of the ludicrous size map, which my pc certainly can't handle), but I actually liked the idea of a "big, epic, viking battle" with a huge map if it wasn't for the inevitable lag. Also, I think it's kinda nice to have three ways to win the map with one being the easiest. It can give some replayability to the scenario and give new levels of difficulty (oh, you can easily win with the wonder in the lowest difficulty but can't do it in the moderate? Try winning without the wonder in the easy mode).

[@aetiussecularus8891]

Actually isn’t too bad with the new performance tweaks

[@Sean-zv1jc]

In Dos Pilas, if you managed to survive the siege and keep calakmul outside your town, the mission will got stuck. Even if you wipe out Dos Pilas base

[@WWFanatic0]

Maybe for more "typical" players it's not as much of an issue, but I really think the fact that you have to "lose" for it to progress needs to be more clearly telegraphed. If you're a good RTS player you can struggle against those attacks for a while. I remember restarting a few times wondering if there was something I was missing. Normally I don't need to micro too hard to do well in AoE2 against the AI but this was much harder. Turns out I *was* missing something.

[@afz902k]

I love grinding this scenario and keeping Calakmul out, you can do it pretty much indefinitely by just massing skirms. I usually wait until I have lots of resources and have researched everything, then I delete all my own buildings to make sure they don't get anything when I choose to give the city away to them. At that point if you let a Calakmul unit into your base, it will count as "having been conquered" even if you are still winning ;D. At that point I usually side with Tikal

[@amestrisgone]

Have you considered of making a video of what you would like to see on future expansions? Like a chinese, persian or japanese campaign?

[@amestrisgone]

@@mangonel yeah although in the inca campaign all you do is fight well, incas I think koreans, mongols, japanese and chinese are enough to give variety to each other scenerios

[@inconemay1441]

Maybe they can do like the Bari/Hauetvilles/AOE 1 style campaign where it focuses on more than 1 ruler

[@christopherlane467]

@@amestrisgone True, but they don't have Aimara, Chachapoya, Chimu, etc in the game. They're all under the umbrella of "Incas"... And besides the local tribes, who did the Incans really fight?

[@lau9076]

@@christopherlane467 The mapuches, Sandy Peterson said that if you add the Incas then you must also add the mapuches.

[@Hainaut183]

I almost completely agree with your rankings. The main differences would be that I'd put "Lake Poyang" higher and "Vinlandsaga" lower. The former is packed with lots of really unique challenges and is probably as fleshed out as a naval mission can be; I find it brutally hard, but also really fun and rewarding. Vinlandsaga, meanwhile, is awesome for its presentation, but it feels a little slow because Britain puts up little fight, while taking out Greenland takes a really long time due to your lack of gold or access to the Imperial Age (even though you can technically just bypass them).

[@emilyding2496]

Personally, I loved Lepanto. It's a good Naval scenario. And I like naval battles. :P

[@cmchanakyayadav3359]

serving the new king also?

[@emilyding2496]

@@cmchanakyayadav3359 , ummmm, No. I like lepanto cus the incredible Spanish cannon galleons. And u can't use those in Gajah Mada 4

[@cmchanakyayadav3359]

@@emilyding2496 no i mean like that is one of the worst naval battle scenario so annoying one.

[@divlyfein]

Amazing video! I wanted to share some of my thoughts and experiences. Similar to your bias with Noryang Point and Korean history, I am the same with Japanese history. Likely my bias speaking, but I want to rate Kurikara A-tier. You pointed out how Kyoto utilized the Japanese navy and, similarly, I adore Kurikara for it's full on focus of Samurai. When I first played this and Minamoto showed up with the mounted samurai, I was freaking out. So memorable to me. I also feel that the map and objectives incentive fun Kataparuto use! In general, I would love to see full campaigns for Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. I last played these a few months ago so all this was a refresher. Right when you got to Manzikert I just said instant D-tier, no question. I am a bit of an optimist and I truly try to see the best in all the scenarios. I strictly play on normal speed so it was that much more grueling in hindsight. I actually remember just alt-tabbing to desktop and letting the resources flow in because I was so disengaged from the whole thing. Bapheus was absolutely hard as nails for me. Played it on hard difficulty and going for the achievement of defeating all enemies with no allies. Such a satisfying challenge and so fun. Lastly, Lepanto was a great scenario to see my growth as a player. In the past, I used to just completely play all scenarios defensively and remember Lepanto being quite difficult. Lepanto is rewarding to see just how effective an all out offensive strategy can play out.

[@TheRadPlayer]

Gotta love Lake Poyang, having your transports sniped by 17 range towers because the AI paths right past enemy bases.

[@ateium2409]

Whenever I play the York scenario , I build castæes , houses , TC's Blacksmiths in the destroyed cities to have a feeling that I 'comquered' them

[@Ardunafeth]

Switch Vinlandsaga and York around and it's a pretty good list. York is such an epic scenario whereas Vinlandsa is so mindbogglingly long and boring trudging your way through the atlantic and through Greenland with no hardly any gold...

[@MeanGuy969]

York is a total mess. It just long for the sake of being long

[@Soler4485]

York is fucking awesome

[@bogdkhan1669]

I don't remember Vinland Saga being long or tedious...

[@Soler4485]

@@bogdkhan1669 it is tho. Your pop and resources are sooooo limited that it becomes a grind

[@bogdkhan1669]

@@Soler4485 Interesting, when I played it, i raided Britain, landed in Greenland, quickly smashed greens castles and the gring was kinda over. Just got to clear the dark aged scraelings

[@steelprophecy5951]

Dos Pilas is mission Equivalent of Berber campaign.

[@kunth1819]

My tier list: Bukhara - A tier, maybe even S tier cause it's only official scenario where you can mass War Elepanthos bois Dos Pilas - C tier, grind mission, thank you but no from me Tours - B tier, nice but average scenario, nothing extra difficult except the first assault, one well-placed castle stops all the trouble, though York - S tier, lots of options how to win this one, one of 2 Vikings scenarios, overall incredible fun but the grind and the possible lag could be a huge no-no for some people. I don't recall experiencing it and I have a potato PC. (Fun fact: I never did Wonder objective) Honfoglalas - D tier, I feel like you have to "cheese" this one otherwise it's unbeatable, you have to asap snipe Moravian TCs and defeat Avars, then you just hope you have enough time to transition into normal playstyle and build castles to defend against technologically superior East Francia. After stabilizing and booming, the mission is easy. Vinlandsaga - C tier, I just don't like it that much. Nostalgia dictates S tier but my feelings say C-D tier. I didn't play it in a long time so I should revisit it, though. Hastings - C tier, average scenario, it's basically: win your part of the map, win water, snipe castle. Manzikert - D tier, boring scenario tbf, just jebait enemy so they open the gates for you and run under the TC. Also, establish trade. First two cities are easy because of the cheese, the last one is about to make as many rams needed for destroying the game and then, again, run under the TC. Byzantines AI acts weird so it doesn't attack and it's stuck somewhere on the map. Enable an option to have 8x speed. It helps a lot because the scenario requires a lot of waiting for resources. Kurikara - C tier, grind mission, I played it long time ago so I don't remember it that much but grind is the old bad. At least you play as Japanese, that's a good thing Cyprus - B tier, longbows ftw!, the start is kinda interesting then longbows win the day. If you have longbows, you don't mind the grind that much. Bapheus - S tier, incredibly fun mission and challenging as well. Even if you don't go for the achievement, you will be heavily pressured anyway and you have to attack at the same time. The only bad thing is Catalan Company's presence is really underwhelming. You almost don't notice their attack. Lake Poyang - D tier, I played it once a long time ago and I hated it. Agincourt - C tier, easily cheesable and no eco mission are no fun for me but you have longbows. It's also tedious considering you basically only have longbows (IIRC you basically have to destroy the castle with longbows because it has Murder Holes) Lepanto - B tier, don't care about the wonder and build a formidable navy instead. Once Turks are no threat, build the wonder with 8x speed on. Kyoto - B tier, another one I don't remember much but I remember I didn't like it that much because of the timer. Noryang Point - A tier, fun mission with Koreans

[@thenayancat8802]

Agincourt you don't have to use longbows unless you lose the 2 rams at the start. Even 1 is fine because you can repair it with converted vills

[@piggysew797]

@@thenayancat8802 and the treb

[@thenayancat8802]

@@piggysew797 treb is later, after you take the 1st castle

[@Danish_Dan]

Completely agree with your York rating. I think it might be my favourite AOE2 map overall, just the amount of options in how to approach it, the masses longboats terrorizing the shores, and the total epicness of the map. That was the main one I completely disagreed with Ornlu on.

[@Hilipinapixili]

I feel the problem with York is that the different victory conditions are way too uneven in terms of how easy and fast to accomplish they are. The "build a wonder in yellow's base" one is so overwhelmingly simple compared to the others that choosing anything else pretty much feels like the player is deliberately making things harder for himself just for the sake of it, and the "defeat 5 players" one even requires the player to self-sabbotage the "accumulate 50,000 gold" condition by wasting gold on purpose, otherwise that one will naturally happen first. I think York was a good idea, but the implementation was really clumsy.

[@Camurgladius]

I'm suddenly a bit concerned at the idea of trying to replay Dos Pilas on Hard now that Mayans don't have Obsidian Arrows...building a genuinely massive deathball of arbalests with a small screening force of Eagles was how I got through that one a few months ago, and that was only on Moderate.

[@aetiussecularus8891]

Just use Rams and trebs with your eagles amd archers. You will be fine

[@gletscherminze9372]

Who needs Samurai? The Japanese scenarios were full cav archer time for me.

[@MeanGuy969]

Really excellent video. Love the explanation clip for each scenario. That made me watch the whole video, otherwise this kind of tier list usually seems so boring

[@OrnLu_AoE]

That was the goal!

[@lucasdavies8268]

I liked Vinland Saga, but I can understand why other people didn't like it. It's quite weird for an AOE scenario. I enjoyed the economic problem solving aspect of it; you start with such limited resources in Iceland (including hunting and trees) and you have to spend them judiciously.

[@erkocab]

Thanks taking the time you put into this video. I totally agree with putting Bapheus into the S tier. It has so much re playability given the various ways you can choose to win. As much fun it may be to see Ornlu the Wolf and the mighty penguin, Vinlandsaga is just too easy and in the end a bit too grindy as well. And York deserves lot better rating (A or maybe even S) given the various ways you can play it -- much like Bapheus. But perhaps it's more a matter of taste since I don't mind big. One way it could be improved is to make a player declare in advance the objective or eliminate winning by collecting gold. How about compiling a list of the most challenging battles? I recall you doing a good video for campaign scenarios, perhaps one for the battles since your on that topic???

[@Dlohosh]

Nice pick, looking forward to the campaign tier list! I haven't finished all of them yet, but my favorite one so far would be Cyprus. There are multiple ways to play through it if you decide to take on the navy first and it really shows the power or british longbows. It's challenging, but not annoyingly hard like Honfoglalás. Vinlandsaga and Kurikara were really fun too.

[@JamesBrown-dr1yc]

Great video. I haven't finished many of the Forgotten scenarios yet, but agree with everything except York (which definitely becomes a grind but i thought was super fun). Didn't realize the size of the map till you pointed it out! Strangely i played on a fairly old laptop and don't remember particualrly bad lag so maybe it was graphic settings

[@hikatoyshi]

Point Noryang is also the only battle to be displayed in both AoE1 and AoE2.

[@slayersam1]

Small correction, Honfoglalas is not the only Magyar scenario in the game theres at least one or two in the Dracula campaign as its split between Slav, Magyat and Turk

[@diosn6909]

I loved it! Cant wait for the campaigns tier list!

[@Lampredi4]

The tier list’s symmetry :kreygasm:

[@furkansaryerli]

Bafeus is very well done. Karesioğulları is the first beylik to have a navy, and the first one to get defeated to Ottomans (as they start in feudal), it is really detailed.

[@ArmandDupin]

I found York to be the most memorable mission, by far. The huge map, the different factions and army builds you fight, the various objectives... It's was pretty great, and I'm sad the mission ended before I could destroy the last factions. A tad on the easy side once you get going, but I prefer this over endless grinds like Dos Pilas or zergfests like Bukkhara. I wish the devs would make another map like that, with some of the new mechanics that have been used in newer campaigns. Like a huge map of France and the surrounding areas during the HYW, where you can ally differents factions depending on your choices.

[@matt_9112]

Still remember slogging through HD Honfoglalas because my old Laptop was barely able to run it right from the starting screen, York was just unplayable, due to the amount of fish iirc. On slow speed lowest details etc., never had any problems even in 4v4 multiplayer games before that. Honfoglalas will always be a favourite of mine, simply because of how visionary it was in regards to what could be done with the game, despite it being a bugfest and the above-mentioned limitations I faced.

[@christos49]

Hasting is my favourite but I think im bias in this opinion bcs in middle school i played this senario multiple times for "homework" when doing hasting in history class.

[@SM-bb4hx]

The long awaited video is finally here! What is next? 1v1 arabia tier list?

[@akrendal5251]

Nice video! Thanks, Ornlu. I enjoyed York a lot. Mainly because it has a gigantic map that represents Great Britian, which I enjoyed to explore. Luckily my frames did not drop to make it unplayable in the end game. I took my time and played for several hours. I also enjoyed Lake Poyang a lot. It was a continuous near-death experience for me - 11. Especially thrilling was the grande finale when all enemies rushed in. A few seconds made the difference between victory and defeat.

[@ateium2409]

There is a lot of missed potential in York . They should have added a mechanic that gives 15 more pop space for each city we conquer and build a TC over there .

[@MauroFont21]

Amazing job man. The final distribution is soo OCD-friendly 11 and I agree on everything, Bapheus, Honfoglalas and Kurikara being my favourite ones for sure. Well-earned like!

[@thomasyang1398]

You can actually use a siege tower to reach the north base in manzikert mission. In this way you do not have to wait for tributes.

[@Vivek788]

Just finished Bukhara and came to check your tier list rating and satisfied!

[@Neky_Hina]

My personal ranks: S: Bapheus (Diverse choices available, challenging but fun), Bukhara (Difficulty varies depending on your build skills), Kurikara (Easy, fun, and satisfying battle), York (A lot of things to try) A: Honfoglaras (Creative design, but a bit annoying difficulty), Lake Poyang (Challenging but fun, but inevitably long), Dos Pilas (Challenging but fun, but TC restriction is not good), Hastings (A bit challenging and fun) B: Cyprus (Somehow boring), Agincourt (the same as Cyprus), Manzikert (A little bit challenging but too bland) C: Vinlandsaga, Kyoto, Noryang Point, Tours, Lepanto --> All are not that fun and boring, or sometimes with unnecessarily hard points (Tours & Noryang keeping the Wonder), and some even have historically inaccurate designs (Kyoto & Noryang).

[@MegadethTillDeth]

I enjoyed hearing your opinions on these and you fleshed it out well enough to where even when I don't agree, I definitely appreciate the case you make and understand the conclusion you came to. Good stuff!

[@Knightoflodis12]

Hey Ornlu, been a while since I commented. I'd like to say that the HD Magyar mission was a lot more preferable to me than the new one. The map size and the stages of the story felt like a mini campaign on just one scenario. I wish there would be an DE revival.

[@xMarble]

I am very happy I completed Dos Pilas before the change to the Mayan unique techs. Those obsidian arrow arbalesters are sooo cool!!

[@AliceMargatroid7]

Me. You blew my mind with the Lepanto revelation. I always thought that the Turk mainland was too heavily fortified to consider assaulting. I don't have a personal tier list but I have a very, very, very soft spot for Agincourt since, as a kid, I wasn't really much for the base building and eco aspects but I liked moving the armies around, so stuff like Agincourt where you just got an army and skipped directly to a bunch of fun battles was what I really liked (Henry literally sidestepping all of France aside).

[@TheKingWerwer]

When you say Vinlandsaga 1000 that sounds like an amazing retro style vacuum cleaner model

[@desertranger82]

I like lepanto because is just holding waves of transport and warships with your spanish siege galleons

[@legate7158]

The best thing is when you spam petarts and garrison them in the 3 turk enemy castles, not allying with a single one and then blowing them all up at once. So satisfying!

[@prabhureubenthomas6052]

Langshang Jiang. I like the shipment thing👍

[@martijn9568]

Don't forget the Dragon Ships. They look so cool😍

[@pavlotverdokhlib7627]

Didn't have any issues with York on DE, lag-wise. I did do the "wonder" objective, but this was AFTER I wrecked 4 of the players and amassed 13 relics. Oh, and I bought "Spies", so as not hit the gold cap. York is pretty awesome Wish the OG Honfoglalas was in DE< really liked that one, too, but lag on HD was insane. At this point, you can do your top 5 FIlthydelphia scenarios list, hes' got enough of a collection already, :)

[@adamjohanssonn]

my favorite by far is york lol, surprised to see it on D, i understand its a bit grindy and so but thats what i love, just releasing my viking hordes on them for hours

[@torri776]

Honestly, I genuinely cannot wait for a potential East Asian Expansion, with 4 new campaigns and a new Chinese faction or even 2 (splitting the Chinese just like splitting the Indians). With the campaigns featuring the Koreans, the newfound Chinese factions, and the Japanese - it's just waiting to happen. I'm saying this because of the East Asian scenarios that are officially made, only Noryang Point allows combat between multiple factions, as in Lake Poyang you are playing as the Chinese, duking it out with other Chinese enemies, and in Kyoto/Kurikara, you are playing as the Japanese.... Duking it out with other Japanese adversaries. Love the reasoning on here - this video is a keeper, considering I actually like the Historical Battles quite a bit.

[@WilliamsBQH]

Perfectly balanced tier, as all things should be! :)

[@fletcherkent1260]

Thanks for all your hard work Ornlu. Your thoughtful humor and enthusiasm is exactly what the world needs, these days especially. So nice to see all the love for York in the comments. It takes a certain temperament to enjoy the longer paths to victory in this scenario. Wasn’t the older version of the Magyar scenario similarly epic in scale?

[@afz902k]

Man I can't believe you gave Dos Pilas such a low tier! It is my fave and easy an S-tier for me. Maybe I'll design a custom campaign that is similar but more challenging.

[@afz902k]

Other than this I would agree with the Tier List but I would actually place Lepanto lower (it is just boring) and York higher!

[@ChrisSeltzer]

I loved the York battle. Was super exciting to play through and keep discovering new things. My only complaint was that you only had to complete one of the objectives not all of them.

[@julianxamo7835]

Great! I can't wait for the campaign one

[@thenayancat8802]

Still outraged that you put York in D tier and deleting the old upload won't save you. I managed to kill everything on Britain and most of Ireland without any lag, I loved it! Way better than Tours for sure

[@stevenhskns]

Very good! I want to play the Forgotten/DE battles I never got around to now. I look forward to a campaign tier list.

[@coredeadman5980]

Ah, on Manzikert, i actually used my brain there for galatia. I just took some infantry units And got them via a siege tower over the wall and ran to the tc. Had to set the galatia to hostile for a moment after this, so i could destroy the gate. Because the Gate ist closed, and you need a way out for your trebuchets. This scenario was quite fun. You also can trade.

[@elthanor]

I agree with you for most of the scenarios except... Vinlandsaga. To me it's the most boring of all the scenar we have to play. Basically you have just to kill blue (who's stucked at feudal age) to have gold, then you go north and take out/avoid green to go kill some trash units in vinland... No challenge cause your base is never really under attack, and you can win this with trash units without any problem so even if you have no gold it's just longer. Really, it's the worst of all for me. ^^

[@micahmattinson4059]

You blew my mind with Lepanto.

[@Pingthescribe]

Galatia I think they're expecting you to think outside the box - I just baited their army and got few units through the gate so I could get to their Town Center (though that wasn't entirely successful). Seeing how many Scorpions were being used and that the area around the gate was a death trap, I aggroed them and then attacked when they were too far away from their defenses (which is histroically how these horse archer civs did fight).

[@OrnLu_AoE]

Galatia's gate is locked - you can't jebait units through it. If you saw, that strat is exactly what I did for Pisidia.

[@Pingthescribe]

@@OrnLu_AoE oh, I must be confusing it lol. It takes a lot of patience to get through that gate!

[@Vivek788]

I just blasted the gates with trebuchets and sent my light cavalry all the way to the TC without engaging their waiting soldiers..

[@EresirThe1st]

I adored the York and Manzikert scenarios and hated Honfoglalas and Bapheus, but otherwise I broadly agree. Scenarios where you have to strike early and do difficult micro are no fun. Being able to comfortably build a base and take multiple ways to approach challenges is most fun.

[@ArutaretiI]

In Kyoto you can actually win with a relic victory and it's incredibly easy that way :D All you need to do is transport some siege and 5 monks across the river, wait for the enemy to collect all the relics, break the wall, steal the relics (nobody will try to stop you btw, at least I don't remember any resistance) return to your base and wait for the win.

[@martijn9568]

The army of green seems to get stuck on one of its castles making that relic heist very easy.

[@mckenziecalhoun316]

York is just ahead of it's time

[@Gorvinhagen]

I just did Manzikert on normal speed on hard. I didn't capture yellow or the Saracen mining camp as I couldn't be fucked waiting for the rams. Took me quite a while to slow push the final town with mangonels, rams and as many cav archers and spears I could possibly field. Definitely D tier.

[@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge]

I feel like they should just do a Viking campaign about the England invasions

[@zackc3767]

50k gold is fun on York if you turtle in the north and go around the entire coastline with 50 long boats killing everything and dropping trebs to snipe gold buildings from transports.

[@Hainaut183]

Technically, Honfoglalás is NOT the only time you play as Magyars. Dracula 2 and 5 are Magyars scenarios, and considering Dracula is actually commanding Hungarian armies, they aren't placeholders like the Slavs are for the culturally similar Latin Wallachians. I do think Honfoglalás is quite distinct from Dracula though since the former is all about their Magyars as nomadic raiders only reluctantly changing their culture, while in Dracula, Hungary is a fleshed out Christian kingdom defending Eastern Europe from the Ottoman conquests, not to mention you can hire Italian mercenaries in mission 5.

[@refur230]

Loved Manzikert as a child :o

[@tcsiyic3584]

Thanks for the video Ornlu :D As a campaign fan that likes to watch players -suffer- complete difficult (infinite unit spam, castle vs post imp, micro-intensive) campaigns, I demand a list of the worst HD campaigns! 11 No need to make a video, maybe just share your top 10 worst scenarios xD

[@MrLTSmash]

Lepanto is my favorite. I beat it in hard where the Turks never landed on my base and won by destroying the Turks before Wonder time.

[@twingo440]

york didnt lag and i won wit the 50k gold option in like 1.5 h ingame

[@Vanderyn]

For me, the York scenario is S-tier just for the variability it gives you - you can start almost anywhere on the map and have sveral ways of accomplishing your objective, which I love.

[@hellohellohellohellohello-h5l]

Small correction, as I'm not sure if anyone else has pointed it out, but Manzikert was in 1071, not 1076. Enjoyed the video though 😊

[@accountaccount9174]

I still liked and subscribed even though we couldn't agree less on York

[@Dragonite43]

Tours - Can be cheesed pretty easily. Vinlandsaga - Good. Hasting - Feels weak. Manizkert - Love! Agincourt - Like it. Lepanto - Boring. Kyoto - Mixed bag. Noryang Point - Decent

[@Lughrochben]

Okay, maybe someone has mentioned this, maybe they haven't. Maybe you found out later. I don't know. I looked and didn't see anything in the comments section, but I have to mention it because it's bothering me. 16:15 That's just... dead wrong... and you can even tell by the dialogue in the Sicilian Campaign, specifically in the first scenario where the Normans clearly come from elsewhere [Note: They come from the western side of the map, west of Italy is the French coast. Cool detail.], and eventually conquer Sicily. The Normans were originally Vikings who raided France (Normans - Northmen) for gold until one of France's kings cornered a bunch of them and offered them lands on the northern coast of France in exchange for not dying and to keep out other vikings from raiding France. This place became Normandy, the land of the Normans. William the Bastard, aka William the Conqueror, was the Duke of Normandy before invading England across the Channel. So, no, Franks are the correct civ, as they are about a century removed from the creation of Normandy. I know this video is 2 years old and you've probably already learned this, but on the off-chance you hadn't I had to say this. Sorry for the rant, but it bothered me so much.

[@sykes5000]

Hey, I like your videos in general, but the York rating was really weird from you. Your criteria were replayability, uniqueness, stories and showcase of civ. I think York scores very high on each of the criteria you laid down... if you make choices subjective that's cool, but then leave the criteria in the beginning. It takes long and your PC can't handle it after an hour is not a good argument I believe. I played York once to get all Gold medals, I chose the 50k Gold version to win. And my PC is 8 years old. Only played it once, but had the most fun out of all scenarios.

[@OrnLu_AoE]

Well these are all just my opinions, and we can all feel free to disagree :P I lot of people really seem to like York, which I was completely surprised by. And DE can be weird with some people having lag and others not. Also consider that most of the times I've played York, I've also been recording it, which itself eats up a lot of CPU. And I just find York to be unnecessarily long and boring anyway. But that's just me ofc *shrugs*

[@sykes5000]

@@OrnLu_AoE Hey, you are right, everybody has their own opinion! I meant to say, it sounded like for york you disregarded your criteria laid down in the first few minutes of the video and only took your opinion instead Sry for bad English, enjoy your day!

[@squatlebherz4434]

Weird... Vindlandsaga I've always hated, but only got DE a few weeks ago and York was an instant favourite and look forward to the replayability

[@coredeadman5980]

I have beaten "york (865)" through the 50k gold objective, because i didnt know where to build the wonder. Took ages to finish this campaign xD.

[@amestrisgone]

Bapheus and the persian one are my favs i believe, i quite like dos pilas, but i have a mayan bias, but I see why people find it frustating

[@aydenkaszas]

Lepanto strat blew my mind.

[@lukevu9451]

Was there another version of Hastings in the past? I feel like I remember a much different Hastings experience

[@refur230]

I liked York. You just get a few relics and then go for a walk and let it win By itself

[@mireish590]

dude york is S on my heart, my pc is garbage and i had so much fun on that scenario

[@CrnaStrela]

Well to be fair in Dos Pillas they probably wanted you to utilize Mayan's Obsidian Arrows for sieging, but damn that didn't age well did it? My favourite was probably either Noryang or Langshan Jiang, however I played them during HD day when, well you know, FE campaigns and scenarios are horrendously grindy and bloated with triggers. I might gonna like York or Kurikara more if I played the DE version, but I'm still wondering why they didn't specify which Minamoto who led the army of mounted samurai, probably Yoshinaka but for people who are familiar with Genpei Wars from pop cultures, they might mistook them as Yoritomo or Yoshitsune, hell the description in HD was about Yoritomo even though he wasn't present there. I was also very annoyed with the fact that you have to keep Minamoto alive in HD, I almost win and decided to let Minamoto have a duel with Taira no Koremori (Kiyomori in HD because lmao idk man, perhaps his grandfather wants to be showcased too) only for him to die because I forgot and let him got swarmed by enemy cav archers.

[@encoreperformance1081]

Loving it!, how the hell are there 2 dislikes? Must be the Turkish transport captains who survived 11!

[@OrnLu_AoE]

Nah it's probs people salty because I put York so low LUL

[@encoreperformance1081]

@@OrnLu_AoE 11

[@JediStar85]

Kyoto = A ! ☺ I like it so much Did you ever try to capture the reliques from the green KI-Player? for me it was always too short and it is really hard to build economy and fight three opponents at once, if you play on HARD 😧

[@Peter-lf6zh]

It's odd to me that the longer and more grindy the scenarios are the more ways there are to play them, whereas the shorter ones often don't have any variation. I'd much rather have it be the opposite; I'm much more likely to want to replay a short scennario than a long one.

[@quasibrodo923]

I wonder if FE has optimized York or DE itself cause my PC is four years old now and I decided to play this scenario again (I think the last time I played it was on HD, and I didn't have any performance issues)

[@martinnolhaf3151]

Mantzikert should have its own F-Tier because you have to fight against the Byzantines

[@bigsmoke4592]

York is more like a 1 scenario campaign than a battle. Best enjoyed in multiple sittings. assuming the frame rate issue is fixed why pick the shortest strategy every time? Would you pick a strategy that let's you win in 1 minute? aren't you playing to have fun? Why not pick the longest strategy? Definitely the most replayable scenario with all those options

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

What about Honfoglalas from the HD edition ?

[@ryanmccarthy7381]

Good video, but is the facecam in top or bottom left???

[@OrnLu_AoE]

It will always be a mystery

[@emilyding2496]

@@OrnLu_AoE , wait, so York is a LudiKRIS sized map? Never knew that.

[@emilyding2496]

@@OrnLu_AoE , I played this a while ago, I think it's ok-ay. As you said, the scenario is just too long. It took me 2 hours to finish it.

[@soko-ban]

You can study Korean history? Seems oddly specific to focus on that, how'd you come to do that?

[@antivanov82]

Well I read history at university and my speciality ended up being 12th century England, so somewhat specific. I presume he went to a university where he majored/read East Asian history with interest in Korean history? That...or he he is a secret kpop/kdrama fan.

[@OrnLu_AoE]

Long story - always had a passion for history, and kinda discovered Korean history via StarCraft when I was in middle school. Just kept with it. Technically my university degree with International Affairs with a concentration in Asia... it's just that is kinda long and vague, so I tell people I study Korean history and politics lol

[@emilyding2496]

42:50 You said the scenario showcases the civ pretty well, what about War Wagons? You rarely use them in this scenario.

[@aetiussecularus8891]

Not necessarily you can use them to storm the northern Japanese base and their mainland

[@OrnLu_AoE]

Fair enough - tbf you don't really need them. But they didn't exist historically, so I'm going to cop out and give the scenario a pass for that 11

[@emilyding2496]

@@OrnLu_AoE , OrnLu scams us once again. BtW, why did you cry on the latest T-West's vid? Are you hmmm,

[@evanrudibaugh8772]

It's still weird that the historical battles icon is on the African screen when the actual battles show up on every map group but Africa.