AoM Retold: SOTL vs Titan AI (new god Freyr)

[@gumhoy5054]

Making an Army out of all Myth Units is basically the plot of Gargarensis, the Villain from the Main Campaign Spirit of the Lwa thirsts for untimely divine power.

[@AW-sx8hm]

WRATH OF THE GODS.

[@kevley26]

its definitely viable in greek vs greek matchup. I do this a lot with zeus, go full minotaurs or centaurs.

[@Thought_Criminal]

17:28 Well, all the arrows are aiming at the log they're carrying. The 2 guys are just holding it, but that log would take a ton of arrows before it fell apart. It's the thing doing the damage, so obviously you'd go for the log first, then the 2 guys!

[@garrett5984]

"Aim for the trolls!"

[@CULatte]

"Shoot the arrow, not the archer." -Tzu Sun

[@hirvielain9013]

5:46 "You never get housed in this game" 14:11 A clever cut to not show getting housed, but population says 90/90! x)

[@LordRavensong]

Always remember to Lightning Bolt the Ganondorf

[@loodon2336]

Always bolt the bird.

[@Arigal3]

Bolt the elf

[@fweaks]

Resign here essentially means give up. So he wanted to give up and you didn't let him, so now he'll fight to the death. Then you chose to give up. So that counts as a defeat for you.

[@afz902k]

Yup I don't know how it could be seen any other way, it clearly says "Resign", not "Let enemy resign"

[@antheunis011]

It's just him acting clueless. As a non native speaker, where English is the 3rd language to learn by priority, the linguistics are pretty damn obvious. Resign is to give up. Pretty sure it was the same in aoe3. Definitely had the let resign option, pretty sure you lost if then you yourself resigned after denying.

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

I prefer how Total War does it. Once you win the battle you can accept that outcome or continue to fight on and mop up the fleeing army. At that point even if you get bored before completely wiping out every unit your option to "concede defeat" turns into "end the battle", or something to that effect, and you still get the win.

[@afz902k]

@@antheunis011 yeah or you could be cheeky and assume it means the "imperative" meaning of resign

[@afz902k]

they should make the AI understand 105 :)

[@theoldmanofthemountain7514]

If Spirit makes videos like he always do analizing but with AoM i'll see every one of them.

[@SPOONCorp]

I really hope this game lives up to my impossibly high and nostalgia-biased expectations!!!

[@mrurquhart9138]

Can't wait to scrutinize every detail and compare and contrast to my rose tinted view of the original game!!! Honestly I'm super pumped either way tho 😍

[@nero9230]

Playing since 2005 and yes it does for me. Sure it's different and still buggy, but I played for 11h yesterday and loved it.

[@ozziey52]

@@mrurquhart9138nostalgia is overrated, just skip that and play that game.

[@Azurialis]

I played it already, it is terrible imo. Visually terrain and structures look great. Sadly the units have terrible animations to "free animations pack" level. And the models look like a mobile phone compared to the crisp and good looking terrain

[@maxmichalik4938]

@@ozziey52 Nostalgia is an emotion. Skipping over it is not always easy.

[@jay2thedub]

Please please please cover Age of Mythology the same way you cover Age2. It would give you more content and possibly bring more people to the Myth community. Also I would love to see the math behind the math of this game.

[@JimRFF]

Another way to "artificially" push the game towards the late-game/age 4 level would be to set up a big map with 2-4 AI opponents and a treaty time, takes the edge off early raid pressure and allows you to jump into the action already at age 3 or 4

[@tomscorpion6288]

Or you can just wall.

[@mooseaom]

Love watching people enjoy aom, this felt very wholesome

[@wlodolw]

I love how it feels very different from aoe2, but at the same time very familiar.

[@franciasii2435]

He's on public beta with a texture pack, wdym?

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

@@franciasii2435 No he isn't, what are you talking about!?

[@Ahmadabdal_]

@@MatthewTheWandereryes he is you are hallucinating, this is aoe2 de de

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

@@Ahmadabdal_ No, no it is not. This is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME called "Age of Mythology: Retold"! What the fuck is your problem?

[@Ahmadabdal_]

@@MatthewTheWanderer man if only dumbass rhymed with Matthew. WE ARE JOKING BOTH OF US

[@edmis90]

_Let's ease into things a little bit by playing against Titan difficulty AI._ How I wish I could say that sentence unironically

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

lol it used to get 2x resources but now plays fair, it's just better at making decisions. It's quite a bit easier than the unfair Titan AI of the past.

[@dodang_9147]

@@SpiritOfTheLaw yeah. i love how AI is smarter but doesn't cheat. it feels like fair difficult challenge.

[@gregoryhayes7569]

One thing I'd really like to see is an analysis of what the different myth units are good at. I've always had a hard time picking between, e.g., Cyclopes and Minotaurs, with nothing more to go on than "good against human soldiers" for both.

[@thorveim1174]

its a complicated answer. Remember, you dont just pick the unit, you also pick a god power and unique technologies in the package deal; sometimes, a less powerful myth unit ends up choser because the god offers other things that you want; a big exemple is Bragi, who's unit is good but unremarkable next to something like frost giants, but his god power is reason enough to pick him a LOT). For the unit themselves, gotta look at stats, unique abilties, and costs (both in ressource type and amount). For the two you mentioned, cyclopses are far beefier and have better damage (in a pure 1v1 no classical age unit in the game can beat a cyclops), plus they can deal with buildings well since part of the damage they deal is crush damage, but minotaurs are far more spammable (costing less favor and food, especially once upgraded) and they have AoE damage that the cyclops lack

[@spike9653]

all the stats on every unit is available in the game itself now, so you can see precisely how much hack vs crush vs pierce damage and armour and speed each unit has, but you are right if there's any bonus damage (is that even a thing in AoM?) that info isn't available.

[@theBlindDeafMute]

So in the original game, cyclops special could one shot a single human unit- making it a great counter against high cost, tanky human units like elephant riders. Minotaurs are cheaper and can disrupt/stun human units with their special, making them better at meat fights. I think they removed the cyclops one shot in retold however.

[@thefench1]

in the past minotaurs has been better vs myth units and had faster attack speed , but cyclops had not only some damage and knockback but a "slow so" insta Kill ... and that part stilll is true ... much more building damage. Both units are pretty strong ... its more about the additional benefits and the god powers. Playing defensively you probably wanna have minotaurs ... if you want to destroy buildings early and stil does not have access to siege otherwise go for cyclops ... aside of that the army updates that come with cyclops are nice

[@comicsansseraphim4934]

Barring specialised exceptions such as scarabs (who are living battering rams), all myth units are cost effective against all human soldiers and bad against heroes. Larger melee units tend to be less good against humans because they deal part crush damage. Crush damage is good vs buildings, siege, and ships but bad against humans (who have 99% armour). It's the big difference that I like about AoM- you don't need to micro to avoid siege weapons.

[@GatochanBolivia]

THIS GAME HAS UNITED MANY LEGENDS IN THE RTS GENRE ALREADY :'D AND IM SO HAPPY

[@TeemoTheScientist]

My favourite way of playing AoM was always a massive FFA/2v2v2v.. on big maps to allow for big armies and myth units fights, unlike AoE lategame fights AoM just hits diffrent with unique myth units and god powers when it comes to lategame

[@Colderslave]

Thank you for covering AoM! I'll keep hoping for more!

[@helljack]

Amazing to see you covering AoM! Looking forward for more on this game :D

[@eggscheese2763]

A super good feature is that you can set the AI Difficulty for each player. AOE2 could adopt this aswell. This way you can do 2v2 practice without the AI on your side just destroying the other two.

[@vallytine]

Here's your random AoM fun fact for the day: The name chosen by the Greek AI in this match is Ithaca, which in Homer's Epics, was the home and kingdom of Odysseus, who we know in the campaign as being the one Arkantos helps build the Trojan Horse for.

[@rubengalvan1031]

Spirit! The other 4th age god gives you a wingless dragon that breaths fire, leaves poison wherever it goes (affects enemies) and also transforms in a gold mine when it's killed

[@Ahmadabdal_]

17:54 I think making them expensive was a good idea since they are rare and keep their mythical status and you’re soldiers would become in awe when they see one fighting alongside them or against them

[@jacobb6781]

I would love to see more AOM content!

[@maxmichalik4938]

Looking forward to you doing deep dives into gods and individual units.

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

Every time I see AoM content it strikes me how similar to AoE3 it looks and feels lol. I understand the gameplay is different as 4 cultures with 3-4 major gods each, and myth units and god powers, are very different to 20+ civilizations using decks. But the graphics, choosing a bonus on every age up, each culture having its own tech tree, it's just so similar to AoE3. Which makes me wonder if AoE3 would have been better received if it was called something different, or if AoM only got so popular because of the cool factor of having gods and myth units lol.

[@gandalfthegreatestwizard7275]

*clicks resign* *resigns, loses the game* *surprised pikachu face*

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

lol I get what you mean, but in the Civilization games if you win and press the option for "one..more...turn..." to play on, and then later quit the game it doesn't slap you with a Loss screen.

[@_1z_]

Wow exactly what I was looking for, commentary on everything you do and need, Im a new player so this is very helpful, thank you

[@LameGeneralissimo]

OK, I'm no expert in Norse mythology but I'm pretty sure Ganondorf refers specifically to his Gerudo form, so this would technically be Ganon.

[@ianklopper6992]

I have been looking forward to see you cover this game.

[@willemverheij3412]

That summoned boar might be a bit too powerful when you destroy the enemy's town centre, quickly replace it with one of your own and summon that boar right in the enemy camp in the mythic age. With a lot of infantry that town centre can go up very fast after all.

[@alfredoruninmunoz8516]

AoM its a beautiful game and I hope you keep making videos, love your content.

[@freakfreak786]

They did this game so good. It looks beautiful and not as cartoony as aoe4. It even looks better than aoe4 overall. Also all the small new additions. Just awesome.

[@jhonylg4045]

(19:41) dont forget Nidhogg, that little devil!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 that was one of my favorite units of the 1st AoMyth, i love that new atack that was not there before. (Dracaris😂😂😂)

[@tomscorpion6288]

It just sucks when your opponent is Zeus and immediately kills the dragon with lightning.

[@jhonylg4045]

@@tomscorpion6288 yes a mighty Dragon should not die for a simple lighting strike.. that dont make sense lol

[@colethorpe5068]

Dwarves? Mining?! Do I hear a rock and stone?!?

[@thorveim1174]

sadly, these dwarves do not fight ;-; also ROCK! AND! STOOOOONE!

[@Doktersocks]

Rock and stone!

[@tavish1658]

@@thorveim1174 They do with Ragnarock and stone

[@The_Lord_Vader]

BROOOOOCK AND STOOOONNEEE!!!!!

[@thewallachianbard6975]

Rock and Stone, to the bone !

[@caimtheabyssbringer3136]

So they added a new giant but Hel who is the giant specialist doesn't get it

[@JeremyRight-zi4yp]

As a long time Age of Empires III player, it's funny to see many familiar 3D models - goats, deer, trees, etc. Since both games have the same engine, seems like they were taken right from AoE3DE.

[@EmyajNosdrahcirEniacSovereign]

The option of a treaty mode would do wonders for allowing games to last long enough until you actually get to use titans and wonders. It also would saturate any players base building interests of the game on top of a post age 4 fight by the time of a long treaty ending.

[@greywolf7577]

Or just allow bigger maps. That usually makes games last longer.

[@pokefuranku]

15:50 I love them too!! Portable Ram best siege unit :D

[@JeremyRight-zi4yp]

21:10 - in AoE2 range and LOS are measured in grid cells, which are, i believe, 2 meters wide. In AoM and AoE3, they are meters.

[@YLLPal]

SOTL as the Black Knight in Holy Grail, both arms chopped off: "This is not ideal"

[@EhBoing]

I've been using the asgardian fortress building offensively lately, just plopping a free hill fort on the enemy out of sight and building walls and towers is pretty effective for super aggressive gameplay. It's very risky though, but very fun

[@campbellhutcheson5162]

normally in AoM, you want to use your defensive building to secure 2nd gold

[@dustyacer]

hmm i somehow clicked on this vid but cant find it on your actual ytube page. i guess im here too early.

[@offroadturkey]

I love your vs ai games!

[@thorveim1174]

Aegr is a minor god I wish more major gods had access to. Being able to have a mini healing fountain anywhere you wish by building a fort is damn useful (even if the healing is much slower than the actual fountain, only 1 health per second, its the availability of it that's great, and is the first healing option norse get out of the classical age minor god choices, and can give the norse healing if heimdall or Ullr get picked)

[@junjun366]

I thought the healing was tied to town centers, at least it was when I played recently. Maybe I’m just blind lmao but I agree he’s a very good minor god and stone giants are amazing as well mixed with other units

[@thorveim1174]

@@junjun366 its both forts and town centers. Only mentioned forts because you can put them anywhere :p

[@woutervan8019]

Valkyries and healing springs?

[@thorveim1174]

@@woutervan8019 I mentioned "if ullr or heimdall got picked"; with either you have no access to the spring or valkyries :)

[@robinbroser3296]

Hey SotL, ich really hope that you make Videos for Aom like your Videos 4 AoeII. I watch every Video you made. I had no nostalgic feelings for aoeII, but i played it a lot. Because of you. AOM is my childhood game. Thanks for your content

[@hoboman27]

SOTL need to do a "How AOM's damage and defense mechanism differs from AOE2 and why that matters" with a bunch of line charts and regression analysis please

[@greywolf7577]

SOTL when hail storm starts: "I was kind of hoping that would be a little more hard core." SOTL when hail storm ends: "This is intense! I love this power!"

[@comicsansseraphim4934]

"Little fire guy" is the new name for fire giants.

[@Winged_Gunsknecht]

Not paid much attention to Age of Mythology, but those dwarves made the game seem quite Rock and Stone!

[@mauriciofontes]

Fantastic, very fun to watch!

[@WikiHL]

Yao? Yerrrvil I've enjoyed my time a lot so far

[@woutervan8019]

Skee pan

[@maulananurhadi9576]

SOTL for Retold!!

[@freakfreak786]

19:15 the game is over fast when you dont choose the correct difficulty :D the AI was obviously waaaay too weak

[@randomxgen6167]

9:25 So this is where the zelda timeline splits.

[@kuro4841]

hey SOTL, your description has the wrong game listed :D lot of love!

[@miamesa8652]

You can go for a lot more myth units, but you need to mass the hero unit if you're playing as the norse, as they generate favor passively, and generate more than the usual unit when fighting

[@elliejohnson2786]

>Resigns >Confused why it counts as a loss That's what resign means? I'm confused why you're confused.

[@tavish1658]

I think he's more confused as to why the AI asks to resign to begin with and he probably at glance assumed that the resign button gave the AI permission to resign, but the button does exactly the same thing as any other AoE game.

[@elliejohnson2786]

@@tavish1658 He must have never played against SC2 or WC3 AI then, since it's working identically to those games.

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

I'm just used to Total War lately where you win a battle and can continue fighting, but once you leave it still counts as a win.

[@NikoGameTime]

@@SpiritOfTheLaw I'd definetely love to see you play Divide and Conquer on the channel, mod for Medieval 2 total war

[@elliejohnson2786]

@@SpiritOfTheLaw ahh I see, that's fair enough.

[@Cynndora]

Yeah the norse always had an issue with favour generation, they don't get it easy like the other civs did, why Loki was always bonkers with his free myth units. Love the look of the new tempest/inferno powers.

[@OSU2010]

Now get a game in withT90, Hera, Viper and IAmMagic

[@chrisr4023]

Can you make a chart on how early eco upgrades are affected by -50% but 2.5x time? Like hunting wolves upgrade. It has to be a net loss in terms of early eco i suppose.

[@misakaOneesama]

There is no hunting wolves anymore. I have the feeling that now deer and chicken for example have the same pick rate too, so now there is more "quality" food near tc, which makes the game better in my opinion. Helps with raids and building your economy before having to search for more food.

[@Omega_Star_]

As much as i love analasys and math content, gameplay content is still my favorite from SOTL

[@matthewsvat7901]

If they add some sort of dlc or something about Slavic mythology, I am all in

[@petere3165]

To combat the ‘not getting enough time to use all the cool stuff’ I always used to just use cheat codes with the AI to give me all the resources to age all the way up and use my cool myth units. 😂

[@Gui101do]

What a throw at the end 😂

[@mariomesko1954]

what is wierd about you loosing when you resign ?

[@brianfox5797]

Would you make a video of your preferred game settings?

[@HaechiYT]

Is this the max anti aliasing we can currently get?

[@lLeonNexl]

Am so glad they did this remake right

[@wanderinghobbit3825]

What kind of gaming PC do you use? It seems to make your game run very smoothly!

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

For this game I was using basically this exact computer except upgraded with 32 GB RAM instead of the default 16 GB (I like lots of RAM to make video editing faster): www.newegg.com/abs-ali642-gladiator/p/N82E16883360307C I agree AoM ran very smoothly even while recording at the same time.

[@BelialTnTn]

Any chance you'll be playing Civilization 7 when it comes out?

[@gjergjipocari8227]

I think they nerfed the Gatherer gold rate quite a lot to make dwarves a lot more important so I think they are gonna be pretty important for a good eco.

[@loneirregular1280]

Off topic; but how did you change the main menu splash screen?

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

I think it changes based on what civ you played most recently or something like that. I've noticed as I've been playing with Freyr it seems to have the Norse main menu screen every time.

[@droversanity3682]

I installed OG voice and BGM but it didnt do anything? Do I have to restart the game for that?

[@Srymak]

Spirit of the La Hire

[@droger1448]

I think Norse would be much better if they were able to research bracer

[@adidas-kalashnikov1756]

I got the premium edition but the new god Freyr is still locked for some reason for me.

[@MaxiCidron]

If you bought it on the xbox store check the DLC's on your library or the age of mythology page, you have to manually install each DLC.

[@Cynndora]

seems to be a bug, seen a bunch of people on the subreddit say the same thing, maybe check there if someone found a fix.

[@nabstix8745]

If you are on steam click on your game and check right side for dlcs then look if its enabled or not, maybe that will help

[@Pierre-Jonqueres]

I think the Asgardian fort should have its proper model.

[@Fantasygod930]

I'm curious when retold gets fully released well each of the pantheons have one additional new god since the Norse get Freyr If not well maybe we get them over time through major updates and maybe some DLC packs I don't know I guess we'll just have to wait and see

[@JimRFF]

According to the Steam page, at the present time there are plans to do at least two future content packs, one will be a Chinese pantheon (presumably a rework of the Chinese DLC for Extended Edition) and then a second content pack that is a bit more vague but it will be "additional" gods for the existing pantheons, so hopefully they'll end up with at least 4 gods for all 5 civilization pantheons (once Chinese are included)... but I don't know if those "future content packs" will be separate paid DLC or free updates to the base game, I guess we'll see how they implement that eventually

[@Houseballey]

@@JimRFF the second expasion will be a whole new pantheon, and considering it's part of the premium edition, it will most likely be a paid dlc. hopefully, if the game does well enough, we'll get extra "new gods packs", much like Freyr, for each pantheon

[@vigilanterorschach2600]

@@JimRFF Not to be racist or anything but can we just not add the Chinese into this game? They fult gimmicky and forced in the Extended Edition, not even counting how many players stopped at the Titans expansion and exclusively played with its most well known bug. I get that the Chinese have just as much mithology in their culture as any of the other races but their units just feel forced. most people loved AoM because they got to play with the myth creatures and gods they learnt about in elementary school. All in all I won't just leave the game because they included the Chinese in it but I wouldn't say it improves the game but I am down to be proven wrong.

[@DarksmokeX547]

@@vigilanterorschach2600lol the devs know how people felt about it thats why they doing them over from scratch pretty sure it will be sick like dragons better powers etc

[@Freestyle80]

Man I have so many hours on this as a kid, loved it much more than Age of Empires for some reason, probably 2nd only to Warcraft 3 for me This one looks good but i feel like they could've polished it much more like AOE2 DE , maybe its the youtube rendering but AOE2 DE looks much better.

[@avocadoarmadillo7031]

Hype for this game!

[@thomasvial3470]

I hope they still bring in the Chinese civ and their gods to the mythology as I have enjoyed playing the Chinese civ in the tales of dragon DLC beyond that I think the devs have the potential to dive even deeper into exploring more mythology civs including but not limited to Aztecs and Roman’s as both civs have connections to the mythology world and would be keen to see what the devs could make them to as for example the Aztec’s you would have to sacrifice units to gods to gain favour

[@thomasvial3470]

And some of the Aztec human units could include barracks > Jaguar warrior > Eagle Warrior Archery range > Plummed Archers > skirmishes Just like in AOE2 they also don’t get access to Calvary units

[@TonyRedgrave]

There are two expansions included in the full game right now. They aren't out yet, but the first one is confirmed to be a proper rework of the Chinese. The second one has no info on it at the moment.

[@tavish1658]

Try building a wonder if you want an army of Myth units.

[@ivan55599]

Rechargeable god powers? Why they didn't think about that in vanilla?

[@comicsansseraphim4934]

They did in a way. Atlanteans in the Titans got multiple uses of their God Powers with a cooldown.

[@dodang_9147]

AOM was great game 20 years ago but it failed on many balance fronts. it was suppose replace Age of Empire 2 but it is poor balance and gameplay mechanic made flop. Now it is actually improving itself into something that makes a lot more sense. this is one of those common sense changes.

[@dfhy65]

I bought the premium edition a while ago and didn't get the early access

[@rabenfedersonnenhut]

The staunch refusal to build dwarfs while ranting about being low on gold all the time kinda rusteld my jimmies...

[@conde.nao.com.d]

LMAO that was so funny the AI is like "please dude let me resign I said I'm sorry :( " and then Spirit goes out and resigns himself. YOU DON'T EVEN GET THE CHOICE TO RESIGN, I RESIGN

[@durn863]

Not a fan of the renaming. Those breserks are Ulfsarks, and always will be.

[@theBlindDeafMute]

Ikr? They're the same general position historically, but ulfsarks are far less documented. Going for the deep cut gave it way more personality.

[@luisperalesbo]

Why does the trees and the environment look weird?

[@accessthemainframe4475]

Proxy market is the meta right. It's so OP.

[@andreasmicheleg5676]

I bought Premium Edition with advanced acces via steam but can't start the game. I get an error Message, that the game is not yet published. What can I do?

[@MarkusHauthaler]

Ask the devs.

[@MarkusHauthaler]

There is a Discord Channel

[@joshuamcdonald3415]

They got black forest?

[@theBlindDeafMute]

Doesn't work in aom since there's very few methods of destroying trees. People modded it into the base game, but it is not very fun. Doesn't suit AoM's hyper aggressive design.

[@HazmanFTW]

Hmm new God for Norse, but not the other civs? Interesting. I wonder if the Greeks, Egypt and Atlanteans will get a 4th God on launch. Also Female berserk, that's new.

[@TonyRedgrave]

Freyr listed as a specific god pack in the full version of the game. With no mention of other god packs, I don't think they will on launch.

[@obesechicken13]

The QoL in aom was always better than aoe2. Like every civ gets automan automatic villager creation. Wish pop caps were higher and not limited per town center.

[@jacobwood3326]

Ayyyye let’s go!!

[@nogsan195]

Should have made dwarves WAY earlier. Gatherers are trash at getting gold, while dwarves are faster than normal. With Thor you can even make a dwarf only economy, not the best but fun.

[@dragonsga]

Does the game have some kind of anti aliasing? this looks not good in the vid.

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

It does. I didn't have it on for this one, but I turned it on now.

[@juanfisi]

"I loose if I give up? That's so weird"

[@kostisxristoforidis7196]

Me loosing on moderate sometimes,I think AI sending me attacking armies too fast and I get my ass kicked 😂

[@mtolm]

Why titan difficulty is so easy? In atlantida campaign it is for sure much more difficult

[@Joker-yw9hl]

Yay AoM