Apex Territory System | The Isle Evrima

Should there be an Apex territory system? And if yes should it work like this?
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0:00 Intro
0:31 What to expect
2:43 Apex Territory System
7:24 Migration & Diets
8:31 Exploring
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[@mikeoxsmal69]

For such a thing to work they really need to tune down hunger and thirst drain for everything

[@ucjgaming]

Yeah true, or simply more players per server or even ai

[@mikeoxsmal69]

@@ucjgaming well tbh they gonna need to tune down thirst no matter what, considering gateway is not only bigger but it also won’t have rivers flowing through the whole thing like the current map

[@ucjgaming]

@@mikeoxsmal69 True true actually

[@Kogasengaha_Hishoshi]

Whether or not the ACTUAL system should go in, realistically. Anyone SHOULD have a territory regardless of ingame rules/servers/immersion etc. It keeps you aware of your surroundings, and if you are nesting. YOU SHOULD be patrolling your territory regardless of anything, and making sure that if you come back after 30 minutes from a hunt, its still safe. But thats just me cuz apparently no one does that until they get ambushed and surprised as to why there was something big hiding in the trees cuz that wasn't their fault at all. As to How its gonna work, beats me cuz theres too many idea's surrounding this no matter what anyone can list, server rules, gameplay mechanics or not.

[@ucjgaming]

Yeah it won't be easy at all to implement a system like this without it having some loop holes around it. But hopefully the diet system and other mechanics just get more work so it further makes the game feel more natural or at least with stuff to watch out for

[@kmp3-gaming986]

1:37 I don’t know why people keep saying that. Apexes in legacy are hard but more simple to kill than u think. If your a dilo all u need is like 15-20 bites to bleed out any apex excluding spino which is probs like 30-40. Killing any of them via bleed is easy. Do players want apexes to be pitifully easy to kill like in path of titans??? Rex and spino in pot are literally one of the easiest things to kill in the game as a mid tier in path of titans. There’s no challenge, especially in groups. Wouldn’t it be more rewarding to fight a stronger enemy who can easily kill u if u mess up???

[@ucjgaming]

Exactly, that's what I mean, apexes shouldn't be easy to kill, and yeah me and my friends make jokes how as mid tiers in POT we demolish apexes all the time, I feel that mid tiers in POT are actually the way to go

[@kmp3-gaming986]

@@ucjgaming This is why I think the isle is the better game overall. It may emotionally abuse u but atleast there’s difficulty and a huge skill gap to overcome. With path of titans there’s grinding and a vastly smaller skill gap. It’s why I quite playing pot tbh, to easy and it’s only hard when there’s lag. Which is abundant for me cuz I play pot mobile

[@ucjgaming]

@@kmp3-gaming986 Yeah, I feel the difficulty is what gives the game value too. A good experience of pain but then there is the gain once you learn

[@rhiannonhollinshead6648]

i think that trike would probably most of the time have food with rex, other times it pops up with spino, so rex might follow them, but meet a spino and be like nope and then food for stego pops up with rexes, and the cycle continues, also i would prefer it if carnivores didn't have other carnivores on their diet since it doesn't give the nutrients that they need, so only things like deino and cera are the only things that have carnivores that give nutrients

[@ucjgaming]

I think carnivores eating other carnivores is a good thing tbh, don't forget that Carno should be a cannibal as well, so I'm not sure why they changed it out of nowhere this update lol And I think it would be good because the amount of carnivores that will be put one day would help keep it more under control as hunting big herds will never be easy so they would need something else to eat other than ai of course

[@bighorn6964]

Spino wouldn't be a big issue.

[@YT_Zayatrix]

good video, I really like the explanation with pictures makes it clear to see your views :)

[@ucjgaming]

Thank you 💚 😊

[@YT_Zayatrix]

The spino in the gym edit killed me too XD@@ucjgaming

[@ucjgaming]

@@YT_Zayatrix Glad you liked that one 😍

[@leonidbalaklav5022]

i think apexes need to have there own territorys not just a territory for there own spishis

[@ucjgaming]

But an Apex needs to be part of the eco system, to hunt smaller dinos and so on, because if it has its own territory only for itself then what would it eat unless they put enough big ai for it

[@leonidbalaklav5022]

@@ucjgaming apexes needs to hunt big game not just small dinos and i meant to say that apexes like rex need to have a territory that they can hunt in and keep from other apexes just like tigers and lions and othere apex predetors

[@leonidbalaklav5022]

a territory for 1 apex@@ucjgaming

[@Batman-tm2em]

To be fair, you can already do this, it just isn’t a mechanic in the game. Like you can set a nest down and defend it from predators. I also would like to know what exactly the benefit the territory would provide you, because if it gave you better stats then wouldn’t that just give them an unfair advantage. If its like what ucjgaming was talking about, I really don’t see the purpose in adding a function that fits a single apex when you have ucjgaming’s idea.

[@leonidbalaklav5022]

@@Batman-tm2em herby daiets will be in the territory so the apex will have somthing to hunt and protect from other apexes in othere words a place to live and somthing to do

[@rblxneverstopschangin]

Hello my scrumptious beings, just beautiful.

[@ucjgaming]

🫴💚

[@alienstar2088]

Personally, I think a better idea would be to allow players to mark their own territories throughout the map. This can be achieved by a marking system, the player depending on the creature has a limit on how far these marks that they place can go which basically makes a circle that is considered to be their territory. This, I think is a better system and I'll state why. First, more seasoned players will be able to identify what places are best to make territories for based on environment and abundance of food. Naturally a Rex wouldn't want to make its territory in a wide open planes area because it can easily be spotted and run down by other large apex carnivores like Giga, assuming that Rex is going to be the typical ambush predator. Rex will instead want to make its territory in a forest, somewhere with a lot of thick underbrush to hide in but not too many trees which will limit its mobility. Naturally certain areas are better than others even though they be the same biome, this will introduce interspecies competition. Let's say you're a Rex that has made its territory in a forested area with a lot of underbrush, other forests may not have such good coverage but your forest does. Other Rexs will want that territory for themselves but, they have to get through you to place their marks in the area. You have the advantage of knowing your territory better than the usurper but you still are both Rexs and fighting will result in death for one of you, will that risk be worth it? You may choose to leave the territory to which the rival Rex will take over or you may choose to defend your prime hunting spot which means pushing the rival out. Obviously knowing and making such prime areas your territory will make interspecies competition that much more likely and that will have to be a factor in your choice of where to make your territory. Is the abundance of food and a great set up for your specific type of hunting worth risking more competition with other apexs of your species? I would imagine that territories will act similarly to drinking in a water source near a Deino - when someone enters your territory you get a hud display that tells you the tier of creature but not the creature itself so you know something is up, the same is true for the intruder, they know that there is a creature and the tier of creature who owns the territory but not the exact species or level of growth. I think this system can allow for some very interesting player on player interactions and it allows a fluid system that keeps everyone constantly on their toes to know what territories are where since they can change based on the players choices. This limits apexs from being so predictable, you can use common sense to reason why some apexs are where but it isn't set in stone, you aren't guaranteed to go to one part of the map and find a Giga. Obviously this also hinders less experienced apex players because if they set up their territory in a location that does not suit them, they are more likely to starve, be out played or encounter rival apexs.

[@ucjgaming]

Yeah this could work nicely, I like the way you put it. I guess at the end of the day it will also all depend on how many apexs are in one server and what apexes can work together (not mix packing but how many rexes can be together for example). And imagine that the landscape changes because of weather like forest fires or floods, which would mean you would have to move and find new places to call home/territory.

[@pooboi8600]

Apex territories divided by region is to simplistic I feel. Herbivores should not be able to move away from their top predators by knowing exactly what area they live in. Of course, specialists Apex’s like Spino’ or Barry will probably live in close proximity to water, and may even have water preferences like lakes or rivers but they should be able to surprise you anywhere. This will also insure that competing apex species will have confrontation. Also, territory should not just be divided by species but also within species. I feel T-Rex will be so powerful that it should be forbidden from teaming with other Rex’s(even if there is some circumstantial evidence they worked in pairs in real life). Tbh your ideas are better than anything the incompetent devs will think up.

[@ucjgaming]

Yeah that's a good way of putting it too. But the amount of apexs that would be im the game eventually would mean that even if split up like I said there would be apexes that share an area meaning more competition for food or each other. And yeah Spino would probably travel more meaning it could be found in more areas which would be cool/thrilling

[@Bees_in_your_ear]

agreed

[@ucjgaming]

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[@spooky7220]

I CANT BELIEVE THEY KEEP MAKING NEW MAPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN FIXING THE NUMEROUS GAME-BREAKING BUGS THAT PLAGUE THIS GAME LMAO.

[@ucjgaming]

Yeah it's a deep dive into their past tbh, but once you know it the future is hard to look at happily

[@thetuoppi2]

Whatever migration system gets implemented realistically it will never affect the territory of carnivores. In most cases herbivores are either faster or stronger than carnivores. In a 1v1 carnivores are at a disadvantage in terms of securing a kill. This can be overcome in packs but it will be countered in herds so it's back to square one. If carnivores are relying on ambushing solo herbivores the carnivores will eventually starve to death. The interval of finding and succeeding to hunt a herbivore like this is not realistically sustainable, even if it is the optimal diet. In my experience carnivores will hunt 3/4 of the time other carnivores because killing other carnivores is easier, As herbivores are usually riskier to hunt. Other carnivores are also easier to come by because people favor playing as carnivores. This means that going for the optimal diet is suboptimal for survival. Which means carnivores will default to suboptimal diet and if suboptimal diet is the way to go, they might as well hunt whatever, wherever, whenever. Unless the isle introduces some "hard lock" system for territories that forces the carnivores to stick in territories, but Im highly against such systems in terms of fun and fluid gameplay.

[@thetuoppi2]

In summary, migration and territories will play a very minor role for carnivores.

[@ucjgaming]

I don't know about that to be honest, it affects carnivores now a little bit already, by where they choose to spawn or go, because of where herbivores have diet, as they will be more likely to be there. Of course I'm not saying that it will be absolutely needed to follow the game guidelines but it would make it better for you to do so. So once migration is implemented then there is absolutely more of a reason that herbivores would follow a path or simply go to an area where food is, and carnivores (like now in game) have preferred dinos to eat, meaning that they would have an area more suited to them and once the food moves they have the choice of keeping/bettering their diet by following/stalking or simply stay out and get less of a diet.

[@thetuoppi2]

@@ucjgaming In order for preferred diets to be enough motivation to seek particular species to hunt. The amount of diet that organs give would need to be reduced for non-diet species. (or some other fancy implementation solution) Right now the "optimal" diet is the dino that is the closest, easiest to hunt, and a reasonable size for a meal. Right now carnivores don't really go where their diet is. They go wherever players are, which is the hot zones. For example, if I play Carno and I have to 1v1 either a Teno or a Cera, I choose the Cera because it's easier to kill. And Cera is not on my diet but it's organs will give me whatever food buffs I want and keep me sustained. In the end, I have a perfect diet whatever I pick, assuming I win the fight. I think player-controlled herbivores won't really make a difference in the territories of carnivores. However, what could make a difference is AI. Creating more AI species and setting spawn regions to match the diet of the carnivores. This of course would need to be balanced so that AI is not in overabundance so it doesn't impact player interaction. But these are just some of my thoughts, thank you for reading.

[@viks9759]

I support your theory is great, sadly these developers don’t have these type of concept thoughts. If they really added diet for certain areas ONLY. And not spread, that would automatically create apexes moving around for certain areas. And the Herbivores would “migrate” back to where their food is. But it won’t sadly be like that, they will still spread the diet for herbivores on random places witch just recreate confusion honestly.

[@ucjgaming]

We can only hope that it will be more complex than just spreading the same for all over the map ay 😅

[@NLance]

The territory system makes no sense if there are no advantages of staying there and proper disadvantages for leaving it. Players travel a lot. This means... - Apex players can travel between territories at any stage, and meet other apexes at any stage. - This negates the idea that leaving your territory will have the disadvantage of fighting other apexes as well. You have to fight other apexes that come to your territory anyway, including your own species, might as well travel to follow your diet food and keep your stats up. - Nothing keeps those apexes in their territory. Rexes will also fight other rexes, and they will fight every other apex at every part of the map. All these points above make the apex territory pointless unless there is a huuuuge disadvantage for leaving one's own apex territory that makes them question following their diet food across the map and cross into other apex territories.

[@ucjgaming]

I mean that's literally what I said? I did speak of some advantages and disadvantages of staying/going. Like staying in the area could give you less nutrients once your food leaves to migrate (disadvantage but not a killer) and if you leave to stalk and follow your nutrients then you get what you need but at a risk of finding other apexes when you cross into "their area" (advantage with some negative)

[@NLance]

@@ucjgaming No, that is not what I am talking about. Apexes will fight other apexes of their own species on their territory as well and the food they prefer will leave at some point. So where is the advantage of staying in the territory of your own species? It is all about fighting another apex animal (be it their own species or another). Nothing changes. Stay or go. Same thing. There is no point in the territory. In fact, stronger apex species will easily infiltrate and mass murder the weaker apex species on their own territory without any penalty. What is stopping rexes spreading all over the map and periodically camping the spawn points of other apex species? If there is nothing stopping them, then what is the point in the territory system? Point that you keep missing: Players TRAVEL. They dont give a flying f about territories and spawn spots. Apex species will be everywhere, mixed in, and apex species fight their OWN species as well. They are not herbivores that coexist peacefully. Again, no point in it. Unless you add some kind of advantage for staying and a huge disadvantage for leaving to keep apexes tied more closely to their own territory.

[@ucjgaming]

@@NLance You are over complicating this situation. Literally as explained there are benefits of staying or leaving, the player gets the choice of what benefits they want but it would be hard to have both as you would have to move around a lot. This is similar to herbivore diets ATM as you can choose to be without the good diet or move around much more to ensure your diet stays good. And camping spawns? You do realize that you don't spawn in the same specific area each time right? Even with people knowing (example) that let's say carnos spawn north west as many smaller or fresh spawns are there, this is still up to the player that spawns there if they want to run in the open and go wherever every dino is or to go smarter around and in the jungle. This is literally player options and no one can predict by sitting or standing in one area and knows exactly where someone spawns, meaning you ain't going to spawn in and just get bitten unless you are that unlucky, but it's rare. And most people if they die in one area they spawn somewhere else. And the whole point of the game is to eat what is smaller or fight others for food, it's a survival game so bigger predators like Rex trying to hunt or move around is normal, I'm not saying they should have to stay in only their territory, and maybe instead of being so negative maybe give some ideas on how to better my idea like give it some thought and give some ideas on what would make a Rex stay or leave more and what positives and negatives there should be because clearly you don't understand my point, maybe I just didn't explain it well so my bad.

[@NLance]

@@ucjgaming The situation is not getting overcomplicated by me. I am pointing out that there is literally no point in it. Nothing changes. This is not like diet. It is not about the food, since food is not in one location for predators. And I already suggested what could be done about it. Give more benefits to staying in your species apex territory over moving away, so that they question moving altogether even if their food leaves or they got to fight other apexes of their own species in it. Maybe decrease food and water drain, increase the nutrients you get from your diet in your own species apex territory and at the same time increase food/water drain and decrease nutrients got from diets in another species apex territory, for example. Benefits! Benefits for staying. Disadvantages for leaving. Anything to make it a territory worth staying in for that specific apex species. Anything to make it have an actual purpose.

[@michealt8804]

How long does anyone think it'll be until gateway comes out?

[@ucjgaming]

Should be this year, many I've spoken to are betting end of next month, or possibly November (hopefully)

[@TheForecaster1]

Territorial gayming 😱😱🤙🤙

[@ucjgaming]

🌚 I'll be claiming my territory on you 🌝

[@kazamidaiterrum]

do you mean the battle royale apex legends?

[@ucjgaming]

Ay?