Apologetics Student Calls In For Extra Credit - Was It Worth It? | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

[@BB-rh2ml]

I would like to have Josh & Jax call back in this year. See how they changed in the last 6 years.

[@petermeichan3160]

probably not at all, if they did call back now the current hosts would let them get away with too much

[@rehab_reject]

Statistically there will be people in these guys class who are gay and terrified to come out for fear of this ridiculous judgment.

[@queuecee]

@@lifeinthe80s It must be tough for you not being able to eat lobster or pork or wear clothes of mixed fabric.

[@queuecee]

@@AtheismPoisonsEverything So you are telling us why you converted? Doesn't seem like a good reason.

[@jexelbur6872]

@@AtheismPoisonsEverythingWhat the hell are you talking about?

[@wakingforbacon6439]

​@HeywoodYabloome don't think it's atheist that condones a book that is full of pedos. And child marriage. Where is the number one place children are assaulted? Church. Southern Baptist and the catholic church.

[@beantownbanshees]

@@AtheismPoisonsEverything source or I don’t fucking care. Say something valuable and people will listen, otherwise you’re just giving me a confidence booster in the fact that theism can lead to genuinely disgusting, false ideas.

[@Magnusfication]

The fact there even is a thing like an apologist class is disgusting. They should take an apology class instead.

[@keatodiet]

nice one lol

[@Crystan]

Josh and Jax's first mistake was taking an apologetics class at school. There are no good arguments that ever come from that.

[@michaelanderson18]

No... knowledge is good, the muddling of logic may be the outcome

[@tvpier39docent]

compliments Josh & Jax for their civil discourse and polite approach to "apologetics". I suspect their teachers would not have been so respectful since they are the ones who decided it was important to teach "apologetics" to youngsters in the first place.

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Props to the caller for TRYIN'...he still young...maybe he can see the 'light' and come out from the 'dark side'.

[@joshsheridan9511]

Even if a god exists i wouldn't care less about its views on what consenting adults do in private

[@CriticallyCorrie]

Yeah this is a god who killed over 40 children for making fun of a bald mans head. I couldn't care less what he has to say about whats okay and what isnt

[@BlessYourHeart254]

Would it be appropriate to say amen? 😂😂 100 percent agree

[@glynarchie5765]

Well said , and I would add if a god exists, it seems totally obsessed with what 2 consenting adults do in bed.

[@RighteousnessWillPrevail]

You mean consenting any age. Don't be ageist. You should care less what kids and others kids or adults and kids do in private. (Freedom) set a good example.

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@RighteousnessWillPrevail are you sick in the noggin? There's a reason for the age of consent. And please keep you fantasy life out of my threads.

[@sergehychko3659]

When I hear "apologetics student", I can't stop seeing Dawkins talking to Alex O'Connor about his theology degree and asking him what it was like to spend four years studying make believe.

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

There is a four person discussion where Dawkins listens most attentively to Professor Francesca Stavrakopoulou,, whose subject is the Hebrew Scriptures and other Middle Eastern stuff.

[@MrMattSax]

I find it weird that a school would have a class dedicated to teaching arguments built on fallacies and unsupported premises.

[@Speednote10]

Well it's a Christian school, fallacies and unsupported premises is all they've got.

[@AlexanderShamov]

I don't think those indoctrination facilities deserve to be considered schools.

[@isaacbruner65]

"school"

[@mekannatarry1929]

If you think about it, it can be seen as a voluntary--depends on who you ask--reeducation camp.

[@daelnelbel]

It’s a Christian highschool, which immediately indicates that if it’s in the USA it’s educational materials are very likely either significantly out of date, significantly misleading about many scientific topics, or both! And it is very likely a private school which then is only barely regulated.

[@drzaius844]

It freaks me out that decent sounding humans like these callers are willing to strip away peoples human rights, just because some book told them to. It’s bonkers. These kids should think long and hard about that, and I really hope they do.

[@UninstallingWindows]

They should start by actually reading the unholy books themselves. That should be enough to turn any young religious nut job into an atheist. Almost no religious person actually reads their cult books themselves, from cover to cover....from prequel to sequel.

[@MisterG2323]

They're not likely to do thhat without encouragement and support. Where do you suppose those two boys were going to get anything like that?

[@petermeichan3160]

it never fails to make me laugh out loud when chrsitians say ' it not our place to judge ' when they do nothing but judge other people

[@petermeichan3160]

@@lifeinthe80s when they some is immoral cos their book says so, that's judging

[@petermeichan3160]

@@lifeinthe80s fat fingers , when they say something is immoral cos their book says so, that's judging

[@tonyclements1147]

@@lifeinthe80s No, if it were “God judging”, maybe I’d take you seriously. It’s totally Christians with an inflated ego that judge *everyone,* even those of other faiths and denominations within Christianity itself, not to mention other religions.

[@pdoylemi]

@@lifeinthe80s No, it isn't - because EVERY human judges! They are fools if they do not. Do Christians get married? How do they do that? Randomly? Or do they get to know someone and JUDGE whether or not they are worthy of devoting themselves too? Hitler or FDR? "Well, I cain't judge 'cuz I be a Christian! I don't know which one be better! Their "judge not" garbage is just a cop out to avoid responsibility for their own beliefs. It's like this poor, dumb kid - he doesn't want to be "that guy" in a society that mostly supports gay rights, yet he thinks they are immoral, and would, if he could, pass laws to limit their freedom because they are gay. So he does this, "It's not my place to judge" dance to avoid admitting that he does judge because the majority would judge him harshly for that.

[@pdoylemi]

@@lifeinthe80s Unless they are disagreeing with their god, they think it is immoral also. Your comment is a cheap excuse.

[@loomspace]

Onward Christian stoners! I like to think that somewhere in Colorado there is a deep cover atheist teaching apologetics and incentivizing kids to call in and have the flaws in their belief structure pointed out.

[@eggdog3147]

The kids after this call: "Are we the baddies?"

[@nsf001-3]

God giving different rules to different people just because he can get away with it. Sounds a lot like a human invention to me

[@leyrua]

Then again, this is the same God who (supposedly) scrambled everybody's languages at Babel in order to divide them so that they couldn't cooperate and become independent of him, so... Huh... I just realized that the Bible could be argued to be the second method by which God "Babel-ed" humanity in order to turn them against each other. To be clear, I regard the Bible as fiction, but these are fun hypotheticals to engage in.

[@Demonslayre]

Gods mindset of "rules for thee but not for me" sounds real fuckin' human

[@jamesowen4938]

Si.

[@MichaelSizer]

And I'll bet my life that their teacher just said "thanks for putting up with their nonsense. Sorry you had to deal with all of those bad arguments. here's your A."

[@johnburn8031]

How to prove the existence of a deity. Ask them to show up and demonstrate they are a deity. I'll wait!😐😑

[@nsf001-3]

He sounds like the kinda guy that would be going on about how "the human brain evolved to smoke weed, man"

[@N_IRL]

My psychology professor unironically does this but with shrooms

[@rayxav]

I LOVE these throwback shorts. It’s great to rehash some of these segments from some of the old shows. Keeps the mental juices flowing. Please keep them coming!

[@impartialthrone2097]

The knowledge that there are such a thing as "Apologetics classes" in religious schools is horrifying.

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

This video is excellent evidence for Josh and Jax to receive a refund from their university

[@BatLB]

an easy example to give when people say "well the the different books of the bible fit so well together, they must come from a true source" is how we depict unicorns, dragons and elves in fantasy stories. they all are very similar, have very similar indicators and often, if not always, share the same background stories. does that mean theres real dragons , unicorns and elves we took them from?

[@smochygrice465]

God bless atheism 🙏

[@Criticalthinking_]

So he pointed out that they learn how to argue about gods existence in that class, not prove it. Thats kind of telling imo.

[@chaosredefined3834]

I agree with this school. We should encourage people indoctrinated by religion to talk to people like the hosts of these kinds of shows.

[@johnstapleton3917]

I had conversations like this when I was younger where it sounded like logic wasn’t landing but I just wasnt ready to let my guard down yet. I thought about all the rational points I heard for months and years after hearing them and ended up de-converting in my early twenties. These dudes seem chill. They’ll probably be fine

[@rustygray5058]

I appreciate that you guys treated them with such kindness and patience. It can be tempting to perform a debate coup de grace when you have someone against the ropes like that, but easing off and letting them try another tack over and over will likely be better for their growth as people in the long run.

[@markcontini5396]

I hate knowing that these guys will go back to class only to have their teacher review this video and make up deceptive explanations for everything they tripped up on.

[@googleuser6250]

The antithesis to a teachable moment

[@reverseaimbot2509]

“A very small portion of the population think murder is okay and they’re all serial killers.” Cops: right… it’s just the criminals😅

[@BigRalphSmith]

The concepts of "faith" and "objectivity" are diametrically opposed. If you have one, you cannot have the other.

[@docsavage30]

Ain't no apologist course in science school.

[@stephenbesley3177]

Nothing religious baser can ever be called objective for the very reason there have been thousands of different gods

[@Specialeffecks]

The fact that we have even 2 popular yet contradictory religions - each with convinced believers - alone should make it obvious for any rational person to demand more evidence before accepting any religions claim.

[@stephenbesley3177]

Bloody right! @@Specialeffecks

[@ronthered138]

So, the whim of a god qualifies something as objective? Sounds pretty subjective to me!

[@erikelenstrom9685]

@HeywoodYabloome There is no atheist religon so there are no atheist dogma. But I as an atheist think that genocide is immoral/evil.

[@KochDerDamonen]

@@AtheismPoisonsEverything Hey I don't care about your deflections, how about that? According to christian religion why is genocide not evil? ask the malachites, and Jerusalem, and Samaria, and Canaan and... You do believe your bible right? So how about you answer for the genocides perpetuated in the name of your god. Shut up forever about morality, you foul lying clown.

[@67cudaksa34]

these two did not get this from their HS, they got it from their pastor

[@bruhmoment5020]

The most shocking part of the video was when I realised there were two of them

[@decay79]

If god is against 2 guys making out, why did he put it into the world ?

[@brettrogers4200]

@ richardkamanitz176 Why do I need to read a terrible book

[@amtlpaul]

​@richardkamanitz176 The Bible says nothing about Satan creating homosexuality. Not that it would matter ir it did.

[@stevenbatke2475]

@@lifeinthe80sso, god is not the author of all things?

[@brettrogers4200]

@ richardkamanitz176 That book is fiction

[@CheesyChez421]

​@@lifeinthe80sLooks like you don't know your own book, it actually does say God created evil, so yes, your God is evil. Good thing he doesn't actually exist.

[@k.s.k.7721]

It's interesting that while Leviticus condemns male homosexuality, it's completely silent about lesbians. Apparently god is cool with girl on girl sex.

[@brettrogers4200]

Who isn’t

[@brettrogers4200]

@ richardkamanitz176 Why should I care what’s in the bible?

[@ioannescontramundum]

@@lifeinthe80s How do you know?

[@brettrogers4200]

@ richardkamanitz176 My life is just fine without it

[@stevenothingspecial]

@@lifeinthe80swhat if satan actually wrote the Bible to turn men against their naturally endowed sense of morality and towards evils like slavery and punishment of homosexuality. Didn’t god give the apostles free will, so they could indeed corrupt the word of Jesus as tricked by satan…

[@exaucemayunga22]

Apologists are experts in making excuses.

[@paulrichards6894]

and making money

[@brightonm218]

​@@paulrichards6894You mean grifting

[@paulrichards6894]

@@brightonm218 WLC worth $13m frank turek $6m...mcdowell snr $20m...junior $6m

[@brightonm218]

s6894 Your point?

[@paulrichards6894]

@@brightonm218 i think they are just conmen....but legal

[@timg7627]

So bizarre how they always cling to the not murdering commandment as the pinnacle of morality. Yet their entire belief system is based upon a loophole created by jesus. Which absolves people from their wrongdoing so long as they repent and accept jesus before dying. According to their own beliefs no one needs to follow any these commands in order to be save forever. It’s the exact opposite of a moral belief system.

[@Crystan]

And yet God murders thousands of people in the bible, breaking his own number 1 rule. They conveniently ignore that part though - since it doesn't mesh well with the 'morality' supposedly written on our hearts.

[@wtfboom4585]

Yeah and they always use extreme examples that people can generally agree on like murder etc. They never address things like circucising non-consenting babies, which they consider morally acceptable for religious reasons.

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

Matthew 6 reports Jesus as saying that "taking the Lord's name in vain" includes extravagant pious declarations in the streets, and adding god's name to your advertising. So "In God We Trust" on the money violates the Third Commandment, and so does "One nation Under God" in that bombastic Pledge of Allegiance.

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

@@wtfboom4585 It's worse in Africa, where female genital mutilation is traditional in some places, but bless the Christians for once, they resolutely oppose it. Islam does not.

[@wtfboom4585]

@@jacksimpson-rogers1069 while I'm not trying get into a discussion about which is worse, I do agree that FGM is the worse practice (in terms of direct health risks). And of course, there are huge numbers of Christians doing good in the world. In fact, I believe the only time Paul ever quotes jesus directly (really!) is on the matter of circumcision, when Jesus says if God had wanted us to not have foreskins, we wouldn't be born with them in the first place - so I can't fault him for that. Seems strange that so many Christians ignore this teaching, but like you said about the first commanent, a lot of teachings get ignored if it's more convenient. The particular blend of hyper consumerism with the church in America does spring to mind as particularly blasphemous.

[@nsf001-3]

6:10 Orientation is a-moral, as in, it isn't a question of morality. Anything wrong that people of the "incorrect orientation" could do is just as wrong as if anyone else did it, but it has nothing to do with the orientation itself, it's an individual behavior problem. Benthem figured this out like 200 years ago and still humans are going back and forth on it. We live in The New Dark Ages

[@donnievance1942]

So you think that homosexuality is a behavior "problem"? Sounds like you are one the acolytes of the New Dark Ages.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Looks like someone is going to fail their apologetics class.

[@wasssyup]

Have you ever seen an apolegetic win, let alone have intellectual coherent arguments? No right, so he's most likely gonna pass because their teachers and "proffesionals"are no better😉

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@lifeinthe80s Fuck Jesus!

[@alexanderalexandrou]

​@@lifeinthe80sI'm sorry you're wasting time on this religious bs. Hope you use your brain for something actually productive rather than trying to rationalize the ancient, cobbled-together, blatantly inconsistent myth the bible is.

[@wasssyup]

Proof exhibit A: richardkamanitz176😁

[@wasssyup]

O my comment got deleted. Proof exhibit A: richartkamanitz.

[@proximoto]

"thats my job" hahahaa awesomeness

[@gjb3181]

Theists are good people because they are following orders and have a fear of enteral damnation. Atheists are good people because we choose to be. No orders needed, no fear. Who’s goodness and morality is purer.

[@Stoopkid1775]

Is enteral damnation a direct result of eating shellfish?

[@Azhiru]

At least these guys were way more honest than some of the other callers. "Yeah, you got us in a corner we're not getting out of." Aka, we lost. We know we can't win. Damn, that's shockingly refreshing instead of trying to deflect.

[@Leith_Crowther]

I hope their next call was to Recovering From Religion.

[@diverguy3556]

The caller sounds like a hippy from a Saturday morning cartoon show

[@petermeichan3160]

i thought it was Tommy Chong man

[@andyh3065]

Well, this explains a lot about America. The fact that an “apologetics class” exists at a school makes me wonder what other nonsense is being “taught” at that school. I hope it’s not taxpayer funded.

[@elil8094]

been a long time since I've tuned. Glad to see this is still happening

[@jonclark8252]

So far every time that I ask for clarification from a theist on what their process is for determining when something exists/is true they are never able to tell me. Any guesses as to why that is?

[@joshsheridan9511]

Because they have faith so don't apply reasoning to their god beliefs

[@jonclark8252]

@@joshsheridan9511 I wouldn't mind that so much if they didn't keep insisting that they DO have a process. LOL

[@jonclark8252]

@@JimCastleberry "Explanatory power and scope." You keep using these terms, but provide no evidence, no metric, and no context for use. Ironically, your claim here lack both explanatory power and scope. "Necessity to explain what we do know." Again, you have made the claim that it is necessary, but backed this up with no evidence. Premise isn't proof. "Experience; Intuition" This is pleading case fallacy since there are people whose experiences and intuition disagree with yours. Odinist, Hindus, and Gianist will all tell you that your explanation is wrong and they are right. The metric you claim (Explanatory Power and scope, Necessity to explain what we do know, Experience, intuition) they claim about their deity and say doesn't apply to yours. How do you know that they are wrong and you are right? What is your evidence?

[@tonyclements1147]

@@JimCastleberry “You’re lying..” Get a new catchphrase..

[@queuecee]

@@jonclark8252 It's possible that Jim thinks that he gave an explanation of how he determines truth value of propositions. It's just that he thinks just making a claim is all that's needed. He's ALWAYS saying he provided answers. And instead of just providing the answers to demonstrate he's correct, he just claims that he did. He's so dishonest. And he could very easily accept my challenge to come on my live stream and provide these specific details. But somehow, he seems to be afraid to, making excuses all the time. Almost as if he has nothing.

[@paul.c.gregory]

Oh dear, christianity’s best and brightest 🤪

[@DeadeyeJim327]

It sure was rough deconverting mostly on my own. I wonder if this would have made it easier. This show almost always makes me cringe. Well, the callers do anyway.

[@14-kitzengough70]

Oh my! This makes my brain hurt!

[@CraigHorton-t6v]

This was over in less than 3 minutes.

[@Cadet26]

I’ve never understood why anybody would go to a religion school.

[@hibbo1351]

I highly doubt the students themselves made the choice. They were forced into indoctrination by their parents. The classic method

[@bobbybecker3572]

This one's classic... Josh and Jax are adorable

[@labbertubes]

Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to stalk objective truth to the very cusp of sound epistemology, only to shy away at the last moment and retreat back into the cosy warmth of your two thousand year old hegemony. Good. luck.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

Christian apologetics is so stupefyingly weak and uncompelling.

[@EagleLeader1]

They massacred my boy lol.

[@SuperEdge67]

Apologetics taught at a school? America is a strange place.

[@thomasmeglasson228]

Theists never give the true answer for why the believe something. Because someone told them to. That's it. My parents and paster/preacher/whatever said so so that's the word of God. God didn't tell you anything, you're just listening to what other people say God says, and spoiler alert, none of them heard it from God either.

[@greeneyedlady5580]

​@@JimCastleberry The OP is exactly right. If you were to ask 20 random Christians when they started believing in God, most of them would tell you that they started believing when they were very young, based on being indoctrinated through Sunday school, with songs and stories that appeal to young children. Tha Sunday school teaching was undoubtedly backed up by parents and other older family members and a minister.

[@tonyclements1147]

@@JimCastleberry Show us this evidence Jimmy.

[@imvandenh]

​@@JimCastleberrynot a lie, just an inaccurate blanket statement that does not apply to all theists. People do this quite a bit in life, they apply statements to whole groups despite the fact that people are not the same, even when affiliated with a label or group. I've seen you do the same by claiming that all atheists do this or that or think this or that. Or making statements regarding people's Biblical scholarship or lack thereof when you have no way of knowing what education or training they have.

[@KyleGreen-tq9id]

It’s frightening they offer course in apologetics, you take a class on coming up with excuses?

[@burninggiraffe6615]

Talk about owned! lol 😂

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Why would you take a class in flailing and failing? That's not sarcasm. You don't go to med school to write horoscopes. Why take a class to present fallacies? If all of their methods are worthless there is literally no benefit to be had unless you want to con people.

[@69eddieD]

You heard the man. JESUS DOESN'T ALLOW QUESTIONS.

[@69eddieD]

@@lifeinthe80s If Gawwd didn't allow stupid he would have vaporized you a long time ago.

[@tonyclements1147]

I find it hilarious a supposedly awesome god needs people like Ricky here to spread his message. No wonder JC hasn’t come back, he’s embarrassed.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@lifeinthe80s Call The Line and present your fantastic evidence, or alternately, repeat the same non-evidence we've heard a hundred thousand times and explained why it's not evidence but you keep trying to use it on people. Your pick.

[@tonyclements1147]

@@lifeinthe80s Nope, I just enjoy calling out sad trolls who repeatedly make claims and won’t support them and then try to insult me by claiming I’m “triggered”.

[@feedingravens]

These guys are GREAT!!! They are at the point where they are persuaded that they can intellectually argue for their religion - and here are smashed in withe their faces into that being a total lie. I do not take any offense in them trying to argue their way out, anybody tries to do that, and SHOULD do that. It is tiring to be in an almost endless loop, but that it does not work any other way. Is being gay wrong? - Yes - Why? - Because God says so, and what God says is right - So you go against gays - No - Why not - Because we think it is their thing, and it is not for us to judge - But you just said it is for God to judge, and God says gay is wrong. So is God's judgment gay is wrong correct? - Yes - So what is your judgement against gays? - It is not for us to judge - And on repeat... They are trained to have an automated short circuit in their brain, that interrupts the argumentation and resets it to a safe condition. Their own programming is not perceiving this interrupt subroutine at work. I think in the moment you get them to realize this, the dam is busted. Then it goes quicker and quicker to see this short circuit in action. It takes a lot of work, but it is worth it. It took me decades of catamaran sailing to undertand you have to analyze your actions on the boat and what it means. And then I understood that the central part is that you MUST be able to sheet out the mainsheet at ANY time to take out the pressure from the sail. And for that the angle of the cleat must be correct, you must sit in a certain way at a certain point so that your arm and your hand is at the right position that, whenever you pull at the sheet, it comes out AND STAYS out of the cleat, and you can release the sheet just as much as is needed. Since I understood that system, I hardly ever capsized. Before, again and again something was not quite right that you needed additional time to get to that sheet out point, maybe half a second, but that can be too much. Beginning with for laziness having the sheet not in the hand, so you first have to grab it. Splash. The cleat is too low, nice to have it belayed and no pull on it, but you cannot pull down to uncleat, you have to let loose first, then flick it out of the cleat, then stay low, low, low to not cleat it in again. You're in long before that. You do that mostly because of laziness, until you find out having the sheet always out and have the pull constantly on your arm is in the long run way less exhaustive than uptrighting the boat and climbing on top of it. And in my scenario of daysailing, when my arm gets tired, I can simply go back. I know, sailing is not believing - but the determination to look into the problem until you have understood it and see the interactions is.

[@ronniecortex4936]

If the bible is god's words, he should at least tell us which version to consider... Weird...

[@Crystan]

If the Bible is God's words, then no matter which version you read I still wouldn't agree with God's morality. He's just not a very nice dude.

[@ronniecortex4936]

Agreed!!@@Crystan

[@dixersdc3963]

Parents don't teach their kids not to murder? Seriously?!

[@mattbuzz9992]

If over forty people having written the Bible is proof of God then the same is proof of Spider-Man.

[@jayrose8638]

OP nailed it. You can tell because there isn’t a single intelligent rebuttal to their post.

[@donnievance1942]

@@lifeinthe80s Kind of interesting how you avoid actually addressing the point anyone is making. Jesus' little troll.

[@jonclark8252]

@@lifeinthe80s If you were here to have a real conversation, you'd back up your claims. Since you have no evidence that your deity exists, let alone your christ character, you have proven you are not here to be serious.

[@tonyclements1147]

@@lifeinthe80sRicky, you need to stop trying to troll, it’s not for you.

[@tonyclements1147]

@@lifeinthe80s God loves you, yet you fear him.. That’s textbook abusive relationship right there..

[@jasonluong3862]

The difference between a guy in a room who makes the rules and God is the guy is real and will beat the shit out of you if you don't agree with him. God on the other hand is an invisible being that people believe to exist and imbue this being with power to make all the rules for the room when God has not actually demonstrated to have the hard knuckles that he will beat you with. I think to have your impressionable high school students calling this atheist show so they can "debate" with the heavy weights is a mistake on the teachers. If these callers were not trolls, then there is a good chance that the class assignment had backfired on the school. The worst thing you can do that goes against your self interest as a tyrant is to allow your subjects be exposed to contrarian ideas. This is why kings don't want his people to learn to read and travel outside his kingdom.

[@pete6769]

Weird how Jesus did all these miracles but didn’t cure cancer, germs, FLU, greed, etc. just forgave sins that people are still praying to be forgiven. WTH

[@magoo1950]

D+ for effort.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

But he's actually getting an A just for calling in. Sounds a lot like the free pass into heaven for blind obedience. SMH.

[@Crystan]

@@skepticusmaximus184It's an apologetics class. If you say you're getting an A, then you're getting an A based purely on the fact you said you were getting an A. Circular logic is the only thing they know, so surely that works for grades too!

[@alasdairwhyte6616]

1 do no harm 2 enjoy yourself, higher power redundant.

[@pilgrimpater]

Surely the Bible DOES cover abortion, in Numbers 5:11-31.

[@krisaaron5771]

It certainly does!! Apparently "holy floor dust" is an abortifacient IF a "priest of the temple" says it is and the fetus was sired by a man who was not the woman's husband. Not a word about how the MAN who has sex outside his marriage should be punished, especially if he is supporting other children his wife knows nothing about.

[@donnievance1942]

Correct. The only place the Bible mentions abortion is one passage where it prescribes abortion in one set of circumstances-- adultery.

[@imvandenh]

There's something in the book of Hosea as well, can't remember the verse but I remember it basically gives instructions for an abortion and when it's sanctioned.

[@krisaaron5771]

@@imvandenh I'll dig into Hosea tomorrow -- totally fed up with self-righteous patriarchy telling those of us who do the hard work of gestating a fetus that we're sinners and "less than".

[@David34981]

It's ambiguous. But there is no reason to care about the bible anyway.

[@KGP221]

Caller states Paul's reference to women inferiority is an exception because it only relates to women in a church role. So I ask him, If you're not living you're religious beliefs in secular society, why do you practice religion at all? Second question; would you vote to restrict women's right to vote? I'm asking for a serious answer only.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

And currently the catholic church is almost ok with gay marriage. So much for gods objective unchanging laws

[@tonyclements1147]

@@lifeinthe80sWeak AF trolling attempt. Catholicism is a part of Christianity regardless of your feelings about it.

[@vfrostbane225]

@@lifeinthe80s And at this point they are now better than your god. which im cool with. considering your deity is a mass murdering lunatic (assuming he is real, which has yet to be demonstrated)

[@isaacbruner65]

​​@@lifeinthe80sI'm guessing you don't eat pork and you follow all the ritual purification ceremonies and animal sacrifices that God demands in the old testament? Or did God change his mind about that stuff?

[@exaucemayunga22]

​@@lifeinthe80sI'm guessing you still own slaves, and stone disobedient children to death. If you don't do that, then you're not following God's law.

[@nsf001-3]

27:07 Hosts should've asked Josh and Jax what the point of a State is if God is the one who's supposed to judge others?

[@voodoochild5440]

I think they failed their class

[@quigonpatrick]

something I just thought of when you were talking about people writing the bible. If god gives free will, then how would we know that the authors wrote what he told them to write? They would have a choice to lie and write whatever they wanted. And of course, others could have just said that god told them what to write, but we already know that argument. But free will destroys the validity of the bible. I never thought of that before.

[@petermeichan3160]

i don't know what they teach in ' christian school ' ( not much if these two are anything to go by ) one big circular arguement

[@kellythompson3865]

It's not fair yous guys! You don't even give a liberal Christian a break! Lol

[@arieswar4770]

I don’t have faith in faith I don’t believe in belief You can call me faithless But I still cling to hope And I believe in love And that’s faith enough for me Neil Peart, RUSH ;-)

[@stevenbatke2475]

I say kudos to these kids for calling in. That’s not easy. I’m sure many of us here can relate to their ways of thinking when we were indoctrinated at that age too. Hopefully, they will think about these conversations down the road.

[@casper130rocks]

Back in biblical times women were not permitted to own property so when the bible says to love your neighbour it is specifically talking about a man not people not men and women it means a man

[@samuelstone242]

I really wish you focused more on their abortion and gay rights issues. I feel like it would have hit them harder to explain bodily autonomy and more direct questions on challenging their heterosexuality in relation to homosexuality.

[@terminusest5902]

Why is it bad for adult dudes to entertain themselves but ok for a Christian adult dude to entertain an underage dude.

[@69eddieD]

Because jesus.

[@o0orayo0o]

Objective morality is the Laws of the land 😅

[@samuelstone242]

This is just a disgusting thing to teach someone as part of an "educational" curriculum. I grew up in a christian "school" and all they enforced was their own belief system rather than actual education. I can't believe this kind of curriculum is allowed by law.

[@WinstonSmith19847]

God is supposed to be infallible isn't he ? If Jesus came to correct what god got wrong in the old testament that would suggest god isn't infallible and he does actually make mistakes.

[@RED5standing-by]

I really do feel sorry for these kids. They were indoctrinated from birth and they can’t think on their own right now. I really do think that’s sad.

[@Sasmolase]

Do you guys have any clips from hosts that didn’t leave on bad terms?

[@themasculinismmovement]

Just work it out guys ok we can work it out, we can work it ooooouuuut. Comon people now, smile on each other everybody get together, try to love one another right now

[@nsf001-3]

Both of the dudes on this call are probably together, and they're just coping for their own insecurity with Christianity

[@duanejohnson9798]

How do we know that the Bible writers didn't include their OWN BELIEFS , and then claim its God's words?😮

[@StormyWitchnado]

Exactly!

[@AcidGubba]

Most extreme views on abortion, the death penalty, racism, women's rights, sexuality come from fundamental believers. You can look around the world to see which countries have the best human rights, and they are always democratic, secular countries. I would say that every atheist is more moral than a strictly religious person.

[@simonkoster]

Would be nice to know how they are doing now.

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

Given the improbable proposition that a zygote, embryo, or fœtus is an actual person, what right does that person have to be inside a woman where she doesn't want him, or her?

[@melissaharris3890]

at least this caller didn't show up unarmed. under-armed? yes but willimg to engage in convetsation

[@kellywilliam3708]

"Because how act like how all the books of the bible go together when how many like over 40 people wrote it" Ignoring the word salad a moment, did he just say Goosebumps is superior to the bible cause it has more authors?

[@farhanfiroz7192]

No way the video lasts for more than 30+ minutes

[@barrythomson899]

J & J seem to have thought about god and morality and are making a real effort to understand the topic. As always they are unable to provide any evidence that can be scientifically challenged or verified.

[@michaelanderson18]

That's a good one... Which word?

[@BlessYourHeart254]

Oh this is classic 😎😎😎

[@gordon3186]

Paul said slaves are to obey their masters, not Jesus.