Apple Drops New M2 MacBooks and Mac Mini!

New Apple M2 products just dropped! Marques sits down with Andrew and David to discuss everything that was announced by Apple including the new M2 MacBook Pros, Mac Mini, and even a HomePod. After that, they talk about the typical 5-star review system and whether or not it is actually helpful to consumers. Finally, we wrap up by discussing the latest Boston Dynamics video before getting into trivia answers. A few new Apple products, some philosophical discussion, and a humanoid robot make for a classic episode of Waveform. Hope you enjoy it!
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:39 New MacBook Pros and Mac Mini
18:30 HomePod
30:23 Trivia question 1
30:49 Ad break
30:52 Reviewing reviews
55:27 Trivia question 2
55:48 Ad break
55:50 Atlas robot
01:04:11 Trivia scores
01:09:59 Outro
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[@ScottBuscemi]

Love how the producer mic is in the most inconvenient place for both of them lol

[@Manganellia1]

I could make it more inconvenient

[@CHIEF_420]

🎙️🎙️

[@MegaMacReal]

Love is a strong word

[@_daniel.rad_]

I love their t-shirt 👕😻

[@Trueworg]

Lol, why is it raised up so high

[@ronaldbautista5241]

Marques is on Macbookpro M1, David is on Chromebook and Andrew is on Windows. Thank you for the ongoing support of all systems. Just waiting on Linux based as well as everything else! Loving the diversity!

[@RCSonicjet]

Technically speaking…David is on Linux

[@tommanseau6277]

A Framework user/owner repairable & upgradable Chromebook at that. You know, the opposite of the MacBooks.

[@KeyT3ch]

ChromeOS IS Linux, wot?!

[@dplj4428]

Chromebooks main OS is ChromeOS. It will run within that It’s version of Linux, and also its version of Android. Technically speaking a descendant from the Chromium Project.

[@felkmane]

@@KeyT3ch ChromeOS is as much Linux as Android is Linux. That is, not really anymore

[@volt734]

The moment at 21:20 where Marques goes "Yup" and points is so funny

[@jess75_]

I laughed way more than I expected at that moment lmao

[@Fernie52984]

I was LMAO on that one

[@Sbrnsandy]

Did they hear all the comments and force David to become a cohost 😆

[@subhasis_art.]

Obviously they can read

[@imarchit]

It could be just the case of work being less as it's Jan. Enjoy till it lasts kind of thing.

[@rideBefore]

Amazon reviews are basically worthless. They are mostly fake and/or purchased. I’ve received a ton of products with a note inside promising money or another product if I give a 5 star review. I’ve gone back in my order history and found old products that have been completely changed to new ones in order to harvest the reviews. Amazon is literally one of the least valuable places to find product feedback.

[@HRM.H]

Yup it's insane how many paid reviews there are on amazon

[@MattStefely]

“Least valuable” might be a little over dramatic… if you actually read them and focus on negative reviews and reviews with photos (not just ratings), Amazon reviews can be pretty useful

[@krishnamehta1340]

It honestly makes me so angry. Can’t trust anything when buying products now. If I see an item with more than 10,000 reviews I already know its bogus

[@DCuerpoJr]

When I buy something on Amazon that has overwhelmingly positive (5-star) reviews, I sort through the 1 and 2-star reviews to see what problems they encountered and whether those are valid for my use case.

[@jeffreysmith4586]

I was going to say the same thing. Fake and bought reviews could definitely be an interesting topic for some long form videos. I don't have a ton of proof but I believe reviews for businesses on Google are also being bought. I recently found a local business that has tons of strange 5 star reviews and nearly every account that left that review only has one review and/or has multiple reviews but for businesses all over the county.

[@shravanshan509]

Reviewing reviews my favorite part of the podcast. I'd love to see more off the cuff rants

[@Shirley36]

This episode was probably one of my favorites out of the whole series, it was so funny I laughed so hard at so many different moments. Love the chemistry & banter between you guys.

[@stevenb8578]

Is David permanently on the pod? Please be yes!

[@Abhinex]

Idk why but this was the most I have laughed during a wvfrm episode 😂

[@rackfocus8299]

same

[@user_anthony]

Probs one of the greatest podcasts yall have had. The creative yet chaotic energy was amazing 😂

[@peachierose3356]

love when David's on the pod!

[@volt734]

I'm hoping it's permanent, it seems like it is at this point

[@peachierose3356]

​@@volt734 it is!

[@richiperi99]

Been waiting all week for the pod

[@DivyangM]

David made this podcast much more entertaining and taking it to another level. Loving it.

[@mohammedbasha1404]

The episode was fun to watch, it was like there was the filter of seriousness removed and you were having fun .

[@karakatowTV]

0:35:25 Them bois are in sync! 😂

[@alexisaguirre6349]

Marques let us in on his psyche this episode. He’s a dope creative thinker. I like how he expresses his ideas

[@womp6338]

He’s just a dope 😂

[@nicholasriley4729]

Telegram yourself

[@toadlguy]

I'm not sure what rating I would give it, but this is definitely the only podcast I listen to every week on KZbin 😁

[@Zetherion]

This episode was GOLD. I laughed out loud so many times omg.

[@RobBrogan]

As a designer who has worked on review systems I can say you definitely nailed it with the giving up on 5-star and going to binary. Most users are thinking in binary terms so this is not only more realistic but also gets more engagement. You touched on the big challenge at the beginning of the discussion, but it’s worth emphasizing: the main challenge of review systems is getting people to review *at all.* A more nuanced system would be both useful to consumers and good feedback for a company, but there’s no room for this en masse because you’re never coming back to the product page after you bought it (unless you have a strong binary feeling like love or hate). I think that’s why nuanced product reviewers have an entire niche. You can read consumer reports or WireCutter, and watch KZbin videos like yours or LTT.

[@khonager]

This was one of the best episodes ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@noctorock]

Havent finished the episode yet but for those that also have shower mirrors that fog up, try holding the mirror under the hot shower water for a few seconds to get it to match the temperature. It should stay defogged until it begins to cool down again. bonus pro tip: If your mirror becomes hard to see in from water spots or whatever, try putting a dab of toothpaste on it and scrub it all over the mirror, then wash it off. Should be good as new.

[@staindk]

I must try this, thanks. Also just got to this part of the podcast and got annoyed all over again... I have had all these same ideas and tried a bunch of things to no avail.

[@karimmena4418]

I can’t believe I have just discovered this podcast. So far I’m loving it.

[@Cesxr._]

I typically look for reviews woth in between numbers since it often takes a nuanced perspective and mind to even want to give it a score other than 1 or 5, and that nuance and detail is what I'm interested in because it has honesty and reason

[@arthurthecartoon]

I wish they would have continued with the review topic, it was VERY interesting. I hope this spirals into a video on the main channel

[@deejayblackrobb]

The HDMI explanation was priceless…Great Job!!

[@cariscool]

This pod cast is the best

[@AV.Creative]

the home pod going "huh?" at the squeaky air-conditioner got me 😂

[@GreenShellShock]

This episode had so many good moments

[@jermckee]

Pulling the MacBook Air out of an envelope was crazy. But Steve pulling that iPod nano out of his tiny denim pocket was WILD. I’ll never forget that moment.

[@mellbero]

Funny thing is the second they started talking about the homepod youtube showed me a ad about it

[@Brian-pk6id]

This particular episode was so entertaining and I literally laughed out loud several times. Also enjoyed the different perspectives, diversity, and informational on tech, as always.

[@pmorr819]

Stoked that David's in all the episodes now!

[@TaleOfTwoIdiots]

“You don’t like the patina?” - LOL!

[@millionzepf]

Another idea for reviews would be to keep the numbered rating system, but also have a "Do you recommend this product? button. Speaks to David's point about products being great in a vacuum, or great in comparison to similar products

[@aayaan1935]

Been waiting for this 😂

[@fdelaneau]

I have two HomePods paired as speakers for my Apple TV. After looking at atmos sound bars and their prices 2 years ago, my conclusion was that they are better looking and cheaper. I’m not sure it’s still the case but I really pleased with them despite Siri not always being the smartest home assistant 😂

[@Philip__XIII]

The subtle updates for this new m2 MacBook pros was just enough for me to upgrade from my 2015 13” macbook. Thankfully I didn’t buy last years model for Christmas

[@shapeofsoup]

Marques is like the responsible dad trying to keep his unruly kids in line lol

[@jacqueswang3722]

Great episode

[@AashayMylapilli]

Increasingly getting more chaotic and more fun.

[@Daiooo9899]

I hope there will always be you 3 guys, I enjoy David in the podcasts so don’t kick it 😅

[@DanieleGuerriero]

The name iPod was proposed by Vinnie Chieco, a freelance copywriter, who (with others) was contracted by Apple to determine how to introduce the new player to the public. After Chieco saw a prototype, he was reminded of the phrase "Open the pod bay doors, Hal" from the classic sci-fi film 2001: A Space Odyssey, referring to the white EVA Pods of the Discovery One spaceship Chieco's proposal drew an analogy between the relationship of the spaceship to the smaller independent pods and that of a personal computer to its companion music player

[@jcandsuszwichinski9978]

Loving your review .. making me laugh while learning so much new technology info. 5/5 for content and laughter factor. 🙃😊

[@ArseniyKruglov]

The podcast is getting better and better

[@casual_sky2]

The robot walking on the plank was pretty interesting because that plank wasn't straight if you noticed, when it put the plank, that was the task. The walking was probably another instruction set that adapted to the location of the plank without previous knowledge of where it was exactly. I'm a programmer and I can tell you that the level of engineering that goes into this is probably much much more sophisticated than it appears. The hallmark of amazing technology is when the complexity is hidden behind apparent simplicity.

[@rudidup]

Loved this episode 🎉😊 4/5

[@vijaymatharu8454]

Honestly one of the best episodes ever

[@peachierose3356]

David's got a framework! nice one :)

[@kaeekelih5484]

on the reviews topic: I almost always sort by date (so newest first). If I'm on Amazon I also sort by country because different places can have different suppliers and suppliers change over time. It also helps a lot when you look at software because it always shows the newest reviews with the newest software.

[@MehranBolhasani]

I can’t tell how much I love these people and this podcast.

[@TheGrooseIsLoose]

25:58 When I first moved into my house, there was a ton of echo and every time the house settled, it sounded like somebody was in my house walking around, so I started to get used to ignoring every sound as being just the house settling. Then one time I hear a noise and think, “No, it’s just the house settling,” and then I happened to look towards my HomePod and saw the light was on. So what I had written off as the house settling was Siri saying “huh?”. That really shook me knowing that I could hear a human voice in my house and I wouldn’t think anything of it.

[@687donny]

The way the robot was moving on that Boston dynamics video is MIND BLOWING I literally don't believe it it's like a cartoon but In real life

[@Ffxiii1ll]

This is amazing video with a lot of great helpful works very you.

[@REVIEWSONTHERUN]

Interesting! Thanks for sharing it.✌️

[@shsd4130]

I like specifically reading 3/4 star reviews on Amazon, since so many Amazon sellers run the scam where they promise customers a gift card in exchange for a 5-star review. At least with 3 or 4-star reviews, you know the reviewer wasn't paid off for their review and it's likely to be more honest as a result.

[@Systox25]

But what if even they are paid to look more real?

[@MasTiempoPorFa]

@@Systox25 I think that's thinking too hard about it haha, I doubt companies would want to purposely drag their rating average down to 3 stars

[@Meltzmaen]

This was a great podcast! 5/5 stars! No, really, i am totally starting to get into the waveform podcast! And i have never liked podcasts before. Cheers, Atlas! P.S. Bostondynamics rocks!

[@akarshshakya]

6:29 ARC also does that because thats what ARC means i.e. audio return channel. eARC is just enhanced ARC which means it can do advance audio codecs such as Dolby Atmos which regular ARC cannot do.

[@handled4787]

incorrectomundo

[@kolbusfletchus]

54:01 The star-collapsing-black-hole bit was amazing. 😂

[@daretobe957]

Good job explaining eARC 👍

[@nishantpatil1247]

This was such a fun episode 😇

[@mon699]

Loved it 👌🏾

[@blipmachine]

What a great comedy podcast! The tech commentary was nice too.

[@wuhala100]

I do like the barbershop style podcast (friends hanging out and shooting the breeze) .

[@thewaterwarrior9817]

Idk what you guys are talking about, usually the reviews under 5 stars but over 1 are the best. They generally hold the most perspective and nuance.

[@abnorth2276]

Yeah, I agree. And I usually don’t go either 1 or 5. I often go for 2, 3 and 4. Very often 4. Unless it is something that was of quality in every possible way. Btw I also read a lot of different reviews so not just 5 and 1 star ones. But of course there might be others that do it differently.

[@jpay]

eArc (and by extension Dolby Atmos) is also available in HDMI 2.0b. Yes the bandwidth increase with HDMI 2.1 provides room for eArc, but the return channel bandwidth on HDMI 2.0 wasn't bandwidth-saturated like the downstream image bandwidth. HDMI 2.0b also added HDR. Regular Arc has been around since HDMI 1.4.

[@DerickForeal]

That Jony Ive impression was on point.

[@extracurricular1]

My current MBP 16' is a beast, no need to upgrade for a many years. Each time I use a windows laptop, which I have purchased a few mid-high tier ones, always disappointed with some aspect of it. Then I just go back to using my MBP 16 or even the older M1 MBA anyway 🤣

[@scottporter7779]

David with the framework! Please can we get a review or a bit r8 on it!

[@h3ct0r13]

Really great and funny podcast this week😂

[@mikishwagg]

I didn’t think I cared to know little things about tech but this podcast grew on me bc of y’all so s/o to you guy fun talk

[@jacqueswang3722]

I'm surprised no one mentioned searching for specialty review blogs/websites for more in-depth and reliable reviews

[@harshalraut2056]

The review bit was hilarious 😂

[@ScotHarkins]

Humidity and temperature for plants, people with respiratory conditions, etc. Very useful.

[@dragon2knight]

I'll only get the M2 Mac Mini if they finally fixed the infamous "mouse glitch" that made me return my M1 Mac Mini, it was that distracting. Love the lower price, though so I might try it regardless....but I do not just expect it to work like I mistakenly did with the M1 version.

[@DarrellaaS]

54:51 I just noticed whet you play the trivia jingle, the light tube behind Andrew flashes a pattern to match the music. You can also see it in the reflection on the back of the laptop screens.

[@muhammadasif-dv2mq]

Thank you!!!

[@johnnyboyzZ]

Good discussion on Amazon reviews

[@LoolooandMarco]

About the review part, AirBnB has a very nice feature where you can search for words in the reviews. For example, in my case, I wanted to make sure the parking lot of the accommodation is spacious. So I type in "Parking" and boom, see what people have to say about whether it is a tight parking lot, if it was great, or whether there are any issues. In Andrew's mirror case, he could've searched for "fog" if there are any reviews that mention it. It is great to look through them and see what people have to say about it. if there aren't any reviews that mention it, that can also be an indicator. The whole Podcast was fun to listen to, appreciate it! :)

[@radford2012804]

The Boston dynamics videos are some of the best and scariest videos

[@freddyjason3142]

I like the "prove it" part because we know you got the latest and greatest.😂

[@josenycc]

dope episode

[@BenjPostSound1488]

Love the Onyx coffee representation!

[@gregoryhumphrey2070]

Random but might help explain why the humidity sensor on the new homepod 2 is nice, people in area's with bad winters have to worry about humidity when it gets cold, humidity under 20% can make your home feel very dry. Humidity under 10% can make it hard to sleep because of how dry it feels, or even make you have consistent nose bleeds.

[@jasonzuniga2587]

Be sure to include a picture on Amazon. I always check out the reviews with pictures.

[@AdamZugone]

35:23 I can't stop rewatching this part lol

[@napostrophen]

I think 21:15 is the funniest bit from the podcast this year so far😂

[@You-dm2eh]

Yup 🫵😀

[@hotmatto]

Most people use smart speakers just for the virtual assistant. When it comes to listening to music at home, I've found that many just play it off their smart TVs either through apps or Airplay, especially with a soundbar.

[@faisalaslam5647]

Loved your work and neutral reviews about phones good to see your work bro keep it up

[@shapeofsoup]

It’s just a nerdy good time listening to David rattle off info at like 37Gbps.

[@TechSpaceCowboy]

“I think something can be perfect, and still could be better.” I’m calling this The Reviewer’s Creed

[@Hdu3u3he83be]

I don’t know if you guys knew but you can do that tap the phone to the HomePod and Spotify will also work with that feature

[@nithinsastrytellapuri291]

@Andrew that surface laptop in matt black definitely stands out

[@Weezzer008]

FYI, EARC is the upgraded form of ARC. EARC allows transmission of lossless audio from the tv to the Audio Receiver, whereas ARC was lossy.

[@FoolsGould]

Can I get a link to that fog-less mirror bro?

[@eezeepee]

ARC already added return (Audio Return Channel) which was amazing in that you can just have all the devices (Chromecast, Firestick, games systems, etc.) connected to the TV and a single HDMI to the sound system. It essentially negates the need for multiple HDMI inputs on the sound system and there's no need to switch inputs on it. eARC is the Enhanced version with more bandwidth and faster speed.

[@gavinathling]

We often want to know the humidity in the basement to know whether to turn on the mini split... If it worked with Cielo Home, though, that would be better...

[@gergemall]

Thank you Gentlemen. Class act ❤.

[@Kachow]

In terms of reviews, you need to be reviewing the product based on what was advertised. If the new MacBook doesn't have wifi 6e for example, I don't think it's fair to give it a lower review because it never advertised that it would. Reviews, in my eyes, are a way of telling others that the advertised product is and does what it said it would

[@DavidLinn]

i took a drink of beer every time they said "review". i woke up in the icu.

[@tonybowen455]

So good. Good vibes